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07-19-2018 , 03:18 PM
Nice reflection, now go and get a job so you can realistically grind online. Online is the best way to acquire solid technical skills. You can't beat any level of online while tilting and FPS-ing and drinking so if you can grind for a real winrate for 12 months you'll be much better placed to go crush live poker. But you need a job while you do it.
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07-19-2018 , 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Tired of life.
This is why I need to move to a new apartment. The place I live is extremely overcrowded, 2 people are sleeping in the f**king kitchen so I can't even grab a late night snack without waking them up. I can't use my laptop without waking my girlfriend up. My own home feels like a prison where I need to be dead silent so that I don't wake the prison guards up.
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How did I miss this. Why are people sleeping in your kitchen? Are you running a hostel for illegal immigrants or something?

lol at you guys suggesting OP to grind 1/3 with 3k BR, even I'm not mean enough to suggest that. Once he loses a few buy ins he will end up on 5/10 and broke. Ignition is his best option imo as long as he learns the skills to beat it which is doubtful. Whenever I see a ****** punt off a stack, there, I wonder if it was OP.
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07-19-2018 , 07:49 PM
Preparing for the online grind

So I finally set up hm2 and got it to work on Ignition. Took me a while figuring out that I needed to download an older version of hm2 and get a special ignition hand converter program too, but I got there eventually.

I played 1k hands at 25nlz mainly just to test it out and it works. This motivates me to grind more, seeing all the stats and having records of all the hand histories in a much easier to read format. Now I can finally start seeing graphs of my results too.

It's taking me a bit of time to adjust to the play there. I need to remind myself that the 25nl players are more passive than the 50nl players who are more passive than the 200nl players. They usually just have it, even when it looks like they're full of sh*t. Like this example:

25nl, $25 effective

Villain opens $0.75 UTG
SB calls $0.75
Hero 3bets $3.50 BB with As Qc
Villain calls $3.50
SB folds

Flop ($7.75) is Ah Jh 3d

Hero checks
Villain checks

Turn ($7.75) is Ah Jh 3d 5h

Hero bets $3.37
Villain raises to $8.93
Hero jams $21.50
Villain calls $21.50 and shows QThh (flush)

I just didn't believe him at all. I thought that there are hardly any combos of flushes in his range, given that it's a 3bet pot and the Ace and Jack of hearts are both accounted for. And I thought even if he does have a hand like QThh, he should surely bet the flop with his monster draw. I also thought it makes no sense for him to check back a hand like AJ or JJ on such a wet board, when he needs value and protection. So I figured that his most likely holding is probably a pair+FD. I need to just take a step back and remind myself that the players at this level play like the micro stakes Stars players: when they raise the turn or river, they always have it.

There was another hand where I faced a small raise on the river on an 83858 board in a single raised pot. I sigh called it off with my QQ, thinking that villain had either one of the very few combos of realistic quads, or he had a busted draw, or maybe a hand like 99 going for super thin value. He showed up with AA, which he flatted in MP against my 2.5x UTG open. Another prime example of a player showing up with a hand I never thought he could have, due to a lack of aggression on earlier streets.

I managed to win a couple of buyins in the end though. Most of my wins came from short-stacked players who were the most loose-passive of them all. They would do stuff like limp-coldcalling a 3bet with A2s, then just getting their stack in on the flop if they had any piece of it at all.

I'm going to mix it up between 25nl and 50nl, depending on how big the 50nl pool is at that time of day. The 25nl pool is always full of players, but the 50nl pool is sometimes empty or short-handed, and I hate playing on tables with less than 5 players. Since 100nl zone doesn't exist, I have to either move down to 25nl or up to 200nl during off peak hours. I want to avoid the regular tables as much as possible because they're just so slow and tilting.
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07-19-2018 , 07:54 PM
Turn jam with AQ seems awful without a heart, at 25nl most players won't raise combo draws in this spot on the turn

Gl man
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07-19-2018 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Since 100nl zone doesn't exist, I have to either move down to 25nl or up to 200nl during off peak hours. I want to avoid the regular tables as much as possible because they're just so slow and tilting.

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07-19-2018 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I want to avoid the regular tables as much as possible because they're just so slow and tilting.
Why were you playing so long at live if impatience is your main problem? A live table is at least twice as slow as an online table. I'm amazed it took you so long to realize impatience is a weakness of yours. Well, I suppose it's better to rectify this mistake later rather than never. You can move forward in a positive way, knowing that this is one of your weak areas.

As for the hand, the turn jam is awful. His turn raising range is polarized. He is not semi-bluffing a heart draw or anything like that. Never jam a mid strength hand into a polarized range.
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07-19-2018 , 09:16 PM
And I got **** from admins here for saying 6 is mentally challenged. Kid uses the word "whilst" in 90% of his posts and posts hands like that AJ one that was beyond comical, yet we're supposed to think he is of sound mind?

Honestly, this is not another slight at 6 here, but if everyone would realize that he's soft upstairs, this thread would make much more sense. He is, if you don't think so, you need to take a look at yourself.
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07-19-2018 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Jsingles
And I got **** from admins here for saying 6 is mentally challenged. Kid uses the word "whilst" in 90% of his posts and posts hands like that AJ one that was beyond comical, yet we're supposed to think he is of sound mind?

Honestly, this is not another slight at 6 here, but if everyone would realize that he's soft upstairs, this thread would make much more sense. He is, if you don't think so, you need to take a look at yourself.
tbh I think his poker skills are the most developed skill/character trait he has atm. and he's not some amazing poker player, but his reasoning is not the worst (besides some very very obvious examples)
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07-19-2018 , 09:21 PM
You do realize that "whilst" is pretty common outside North America and that OP is from upsidedownland, right?
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07-19-2018 , 10:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Homey D. Clown
GG has not been winning at 8bb/hr for years. I think it's 7bb total and 4bb over the past few years, or something like that. Please don't start advising anyone to actually play like GG, that is just going too far. Just (slightly) nit up a "normal" TAG style, don't start openfolding everything except aces and kings, which you are limping instead.

Anyway, OP (or any remotely sane person) would never in a million years be capable of being that nitty altogether. It's just not in his dna. You guys are pretending that it's simply a choice to übernit it up. In reality it would drain most people's souls lol.
Post 21839 of winrates thread. Yeah it's actually closer to 7BB/HR but I would consider that an excellent result for OP in building up his bankroll. And like I said I think Crowns games are much softer so OP can probably do better.

I don't generally advise people to play like GG. Quite the opposite. I just think with OP's tiny bankroll playing something approximating this super nitty strat would be a good solution and pretty easy to implement as there are few tough post flop decisions by design.

Yeah he doesn't need to go full GG strat setmining aces and whatnot but just playing a very nitty TAG game like VPIP/PFR of 9/8 with no bluffing could be very beneficial in building discipline and grinding up a roll.
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07-20-2018 , 03:49 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Preparing for the online grind

Since 100nl zone doesn't exist, I have to either move down to 25nl or up to 200nl during off peak hours.
You shouldn't even be thinking about 200nl right now, you have what, five buy ins for it? Set yourself a goal and play it out for once, have you learnt nothing from your shot at live poker.

Last edited by JiminyShipIt; 07-20-2018 at 03:50 AM. Reason: spelling mistake
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07-20-2018 , 03:58 AM
I would not put it quite like JSingles, but yes, absolutely and I've posted thus. And post #3053 is just yet another example.

At op...just in case JSingles and I are both wrong (which is entirely possible) you have said you have turned a new leaf. Fine. Here is straight out the box, standard BQ advice that any decent poster will give you.

Don't post results.

Seriously is it "how to get good feedback lesson 1". And you say you want to learn. Well, you have by some form of internet magic attracted a ton of good players to your thread, many of whom have continuously offered advice.

Here is how you should have posted your AQ hh

25nl, $25 effective, no reads

Villain opens $0.75 UTG
SB calls $0.75
Hero 3bets $3.50 BB with As Qc
Villain calls $3.50
SB folds

Flop ($7.75) is Ah Jh 3d

Hero checks
Villain checks

Turn ($7.75) is Ah Jh 3d 5h

Hero bets $3.37
Villain raises to $8.93 Hero ??

Everything else is irrelevant spraff and you give the opportunity for the community to offer their unbiased, untainted views. Generally, if the EV line is marginal, everyone will disagree (which is good to know) and if the EV line is clear, everyone will agree (which will confirm you made either a good play, or a big mistake)

Occasionally your thoughts might bring something to the party by way of discussion, but mostly just post the hand as I've said and absorb/assimilate the community feedback.

Now go ahead and prove myself and JSingles wrong by posting hh intelligently from this point.

Last edited by Fatboy54; 07-20-2018 at 04:16 AM.
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07-20-2018 , 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Shai Hulud
Post 21839 of winrates thread. Yeah it's actually closer to 7BB/HR but I would consider that an excellent result for OP in building up his bankroll. And like I said I think Crowns games are much softer so OP can probably do better.

I don't generally advise people to play like GG. Quite the opposite. I just think with OP's tiny bankroll playing something approximating this super nitty strat would be a good solution and pretty easy to implement as there are few tough post flop decisions by design.

Yeah he doesn't need to go full GG strat setmining aces and whatnot but just playing a very nitty TAG game like VPIP/PFR of 9/8 with no bluffing could be very beneficial in building discipline and grinding up a roll.
I stand by what I said (GG mentions it himself in post 459 of his own "clueless noob reaches..." thread). Obviously I do agree with everyone that someone on a small bankroll should really try and nit it up, but like I said, thinking that a degen like OP can just start playing 9/8 with a flip of the switch is way too optimistic. He's gonna do his own thing no matter what anyone says. One "reflection" post isn't gonna change that. I hope he will figure it out, though, 'cause he seems like a nice kid, and contrary to the people calling him a fish, I believe he actually does have the skills to succeed at LLsNL. However, this just goes to show that being successful at poker is about so much more than technical skills alone.
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07-20-2018 , 06:44 AM
6,

Why did you jam the turn there?
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07-20-2018 , 07:43 AM
I posted results because this is a PG&C, not a strategy forum. I'm primarily just writing up a post of how my session went and what I've achieved or destroyed each day. The hand histories are just an illustration of that.

I jammed turn because stacks were so shallow. Deeper stacked, I probably don't have a turn 3betting range in this spot. But I didn't want villain to check back some of his semibluffs on the river or his "I'll make a small raise with AT to see where I'm at" hands. I wanted to deny equity immediately.
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07-20-2018 , 07:45 AM
That's an awful jam
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07-20-2018 , 08:03 AM
Playing with fire here

50nl, $57.65 effective

UTG opens $1.50
Hero calls $1.50 MP with AJcc

Flop ($3.75) is 5c 5h 3d

Villain bets $1.37
Hero calls $1.37

Turn ($6.49) is 5c 5h 3d 4s

Villain bets $3.74
Hero raises to $10.48
Villain calls $10.48

River ($27.45) is 5c 5h 3d 4s Qh

Villain checks
Hero jams $44.30
Villain folds

I just thought that it's tough for villain to call with anything really, unless he happens to have one of the very few combos of boats.
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07-20-2018 , 08:41 AM
Guarantee you hed call almost every time with 99+ and AQ because no one value bets JJ- on that river and because most people raise off QQ+ preflop so your only value hands are 55 44 and 33.
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07-20-2018 , 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by noshots00
Guarantee you hed call almost every time with 99+ and AQ because no one value bets JJ- on that river and because most people raise off QQ+ preflop so your only value hands are 55 44 and 33.
I'm repping A5s, 76s, 65s, 55, 44, 33. I'm never trying to rep overpairs here with a turn raise, nor am I ever repping AQ when I jam 1.6x the pot on the river.

I want you to be 100% honest with me: if you were playing against an unknown player at 50nl, you're holding KK and the unknown player takes this line, would you call it off? I know I wouldn't.
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07-20-2018 , 09:08 AM
I have about 100k hands at 25nl zone and in my experience it’s super soft and exploitable. Just fold the AQ to the turn raise. Honestly, it’s not that different than 1/3 live, raises are usually pretty nutted. The awesome thing about ignition is you can see their hole cards even if you fold so just err on the side of over-folding for now and then review your hand histories and adjust if needed.
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07-20-2018 , 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Badreg2017
I have about 100k hands at 25nl zone and in my experience it’s super soft and exploitable. Just fold the AQ to the turn raise. Honestly, it’s not that different than 1/3 live, raises are usually pretty nutted. The awesome thing about ignition is you can see their hole cards even if you fold so just err on the side of over-folding for now and then review your hand histories and adjust if needed.
Well this was 50nl which is slightly more aggro than 25nl. But I still agree with your message overall.
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07-20-2018 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I'm repping A5s, 76s, 65s, 55, 44, 33. I'm never trying to rep overpairs here with a turn raise, nor am I ever repping AQ when I jam 1.6x the pot on the river.

I want you to be 100% honest with me: if you were playing against an unknown player at 50nl, you're holding KK and the unknown player takes this line, would you call it off? I know I wouldn't.
You rep none of those hands because they are fold pre. It looks like you are spazzing with A high, or maybe you could be a fish with 5x or something. The bluff otr is not bad but not because "its so hard to call anything here", more so bc of sizing tells and players are just not interested in calling 66-88 on river.
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07-20-2018 , 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I'm repping A5s, 76s, 65s, 55, 44, 33. I'm never trying to rep overpairs here with a turn raise, nor am I ever repping AQ when I jam 1.6x the pot on the river.

I want you to be 100% honest with me: if you were playing against an unknown player at 50nl, you're holding KK and the unknown player takes this line, would you call it off? I know I wouldn't.
If villain is bad enough to call in middle position with A5s and 65s (which the board blocks btw) he's definitely overbluffing on paired boards.
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07-20-2018 , 09:54 AM
Ugh vomiting here

25nl online
V1 and V2 are both short-stacked (ie. probably fishy)
V1 has $9.92 and V2 has $11.60

Hero raises $0.60 UTG with Ad As
V1 calls $0.60 SB
V2 calls $0.60 BB

Flop ($1.80) is Qh Td 3h

2 checks
Hero bets $1
V1 raises to $2
V2 calls $2
Hero calls $2

I'm already not loving life when I face this min raise, but I think that my hand is too strong to fold just yet

Turn ($7.80) is Qh Td 3h Jd

V1 jams $7.32
V2 folds

Vomiting so hard at this spot. I just feel like I'm never good here. Does villain do this with KQ or AJhh? I really hate this spot and I consider making an exploitable fold, but I ultimately decide that if I do run into a 2pr or set, then I've got outs, so I make the sigh call.

Hero calls $7.32

Villain shows Q3o but we manage to spike a Ten on the river and suck out. I'm really curious though if I should be folding here on either the flop or turn, and if so, what should the bottom of my calling range be?
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07-20-2018 , 10:26 AM
Seems like a trivial fold for me at these stakes, when V1 shows aggression mutli-way.

JQ with no hearts/diamonds. Probably 2 x QTs if you open that utg.
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