Funny that the 6th post itt advised against 3-betting KQo and AJo. We've come full circle.

Basically this. Stop doing FPS crap and play a nitty game like GG. You can destroy the games adopting his play style with minimal variance. This was the best course of action on your linited bankroll. But no. You refuse to be a “pussy,” like all of us. You want to do stupid **** like 3b KQo, cold 4b AJo, 4b shove 99, etc in spots that are NOT +EV. And further increasing your lol “variance” by 500%+.

You dont love poker. You love the gamble. The thrill. The adrenaline rush.

If you truly loved poker, you would have adopted GG’s nitty yet solid, winning strategy. But you didnt. You wanted to make overaggressive moves, make plays, even considered x/jamming 22 in a 4-way 3b pot, even called 22 with over 10% of your stack vs a 3b, made ******ed bluffs in a bunch of spots, etc. you want to be that “cool” kid who crushes.

"What do you typically do then, in a $1/$3 game, facing a $12 raise with a hand like KQo or AJo? Folding is okay but seems nitty. Do you fold?"

Yes, almost always.

It's not that variance isn't effecting you (it may or may not). It's that you made some awful decisions to put yourself in a position where you couldn't withstand much variance. I, along with most others, do want to see you succeed. But it's hard when you ignore the most important advice we give you. Anyway, take Kelvis up on his offer ASAP. It's not often you find someone willing to put in the time to help someone out of the goodness of their heart.

Variance may well be the reason you lost in the higher stakes games.

But it was your own stupidity and degeneracy that put your self in games where your bank roll couldn't handle the variance.

Wait, so should we be 3betting them???

Ah nvm, I’ll just catch the train on the next pass.

You got so much advice on how to deal with a short roll that you completely ignored because you felt it would label you a failure.

You actually scoffed at the perfect example of what you should be doing when you **** on aspiring actors working at Starbucks.

You are an aspiring pro. You need a buffer while you attempt to make the transition. You need to learn business management skills in order to handle your bankroll.

You've been acting like the poker equivalent of a high school kid who made 3 words rhyme and got a cool tattoo and decided he's the next rap star.

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Has to be a troll, everything lines up too perfectly and no one can be as dense as OP has been while at the same time working in some reasonable thoughts in between.

Listen up because I feel for you and I want you to succeed,

We know you aren’t a **** player incapable of beating the game for at least a modest hourly rate. Right now though, you, along with everyone else in this thread, have some serious leaks in their game. We want to help you fix these leaks but you seem to ignore this advice.

It’s time to leave ego at the door. I know that every few months when I look back at my old posts and hand histories I cringe at how bad I was. Pretty much everyone is bad at poker and has mental game leaks. Even good pros got absolutely smashed by AI heads up.

Your mental game leaks are stopping you from succeeding. Playing 5/10 and big PLO games at this stage in your career is a massive leak. Playing $100 hypers is a massive leak.


-Go back and read the advice given to you in this thread
-play at least 120 hours of 1/3 NLHE in the next 30 days without playing a single other game.
-Don’t straddle
-don’t blind raise
-don’t get it in light when nits 3/4 bet you.
-Find a preflop chart and stick to it

There's no question that some posters are doing just that. It just isn't everyone. There was a point in my life where I needed poker to have me and my family survive. What it taught we is that if I had to, I could play poker for a living. But I didn't enjoy it. It is so much harder to play poker when it is your sole source of income. It is no wonder at all that you aren't doing as well now as you did before.

My suggestions are as follows. Take Kelvis up on his offer. I haven't seen him play but his posts are absolutely solid. You can learn a lot from him. I'd also PM Squid Face. He's been a pro for a very long time. His road has not been easy, but it is why he has survived.

Next, stop playing poker for now. Take your gf to Sydney, have a good time and don't play poker there. Someone cares for you and you should pay some attention to her.

When you get back, look for any entry level job with the potential to grow. I had to start a ground zero at a much older age than you are. Within two years, I was making more than I could from poker. Today, I make more than pros that I respect greatly from my regular job, plus supplement it from poker. I don't need the money from poker to survive, but it pays for a lot of nice extras.

As for your "friend" who is making $300/hr, where does he live? What car does he drive? What does he spend on a night out? He should be living like a CEO of a major corporation. If he isn't, you should be wondering why not.

I am hopeful this is the bottom that is enough to have you re-examine your decisions. However, I know that for many it takes hitting further bottoms.

not sure what hourly has to do with the car he drives or what he spends on a night out, smart poker players reinvest their money, they don't buy fancy cars or spend 2000$ on a night out

some do but they're mostly young degens who don't know better

I stopped posting whiles back ITT because I care much more for my time than my advice/personal wisdom in the game falling upon death ears, but "the abyss" post (courtesy of GDAF) is perhaps the most golden one ever written on 2 + 2 (especially pertaining to variance).

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...postcount=1027

Unfortunately, if you play professionally beyond 5 million hands or a decade +, you will have to go through the nastiest emotional downswing lasting for months on end (or a few 100k hands of break-even online), and this applies to even the top crushers (let alone a marginal winner like OP). Everyone should read this if they have not yet.

why in Gods name would you stop playing 1/3 where you are possibly a winner, to play 50NL online where you most definitely arent.....like how does that even make sense?

If you want to lose your money, you might as well just take a shot at a bigger game and hope to run well and be able to keep at poker awhile longer. Just losing it all at 50NL is the same kind of stupid decision making that has landed you in the spot you are in.

What are you talking about?

He feels like he's a big winner at 50nl

Exactly. Also, not everyone has the urge to flaunt every penny they have.

I've experienced massive negative variance both live and online. Online I've had downswings last 6 weeks (about 200k hands) and at the time I was the #2 ranked player in my game on sharkscope. Live I've had one 10BI downswing despite a 10BB/hr winrate. Negative variance is real and we all know it, most of us having experienced far worse than you have.

The problem is you post hand after hand where you aren't getting sucked out or coolered so much as just making massively stupid decisions and playing beyond your bankroll. It isn't negative variance to take a huge chunk of your life roll and play 5/T. It's bad decision making. The one big winning session you had recently actually involved you repeatedly sucking out on others IIRC.

So given 9/10 of your hand histories are just played abominably, one can propose two possibilities and decide which is more likely.

1) 6BM has run extremely bad since starting this thread.

2) 6BM is a losing player who for some reason sees himself as a crusher.

The second scenario is just far more likely, particularly given your penchant for denial and delusion in all areas of life such as whether you have problems with alcohol, gambling, and financial planning. If nothing else it's extremely unlikely you're a big winner in these games. Perhaps you're a slight winner who's experienced some modest negative variance, but doubtful anything that would knock down a crusher.

People only want to kick you when you're down because despite your entitled and egotistical attitude, many seasoned pros have poured countless hours into giving you extremely good and specific feedback and advice, which you've consistently ignored. Do you think people enjoy trying to help you only to see you shrug off everything they say? Yeah there's a little schadenfreude in seeing you get what you deserve for thinking you have all the answers.

If I'm going to waste my time giving you advice you ignore and as predicted when you ignore the advice you fail, the only silver lining to the situation is maybe you'll learn some humility and next time you try going pro actually have a plan and value the input of others more experienced than you.

You'll probably see this post as just me kicking you when you're down, but I hope over time you can gain some perspective and look back at this thread and realize most people were just trying to help you. And for what it's worth, I do think you have the potential to be a professional poker player. You have the raw talent. You just lack everything else: the discipline, the humility, the patience, and the courage to confront your addiction problems. I hope one day you deal with these issues. Maybe then you'll have a shot.

6,

If you follow the advice I’ve (and many others as well) laid out for you itt, I believe you can prob make something like $15/hr at $1/3 with pretty low variance.

Play 50 hrs/wk of that and that’s $3000/mo.

Yeah but if he 4 tables 50nl zone and wins 10bb/100 that's $40-50 an hour. Easy math El D

tgig, let's at least be realistic! You can't 4-table the same stake on Zone so he'd have to settle for 2 at $50 and 2 at $25 and only make $37.50/hr at 10bb/100. That's assuming 500 hands/hr at each stake though and he probably plays too many hands so perhaps he could settle for $33/hr or so.

6,

I'll try to refrain from being an ass (which is my true passion).....if you want to count what you're up (positive earnings) as opposed to what you've saved (bankroll/net worth), then you're counting earnings.

Earnings are income. If your income doesn't exceed your expenses, then you need more income. This is why people continually implore you to get a job. You have a steady income to base your lifestyle around while you have poker to bring you the extras. Until you are stable, which you are light years away from, playing semi pro is a far superior way to go about it.

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Odds

6bet Plays 2 tables of 50nl and 2 tables of 25nl
+1500000

6bet plays 2 tables of 50nl and 2 tables of 100nl+
-2000000

taking bets

Not wanting to kick you while you are down, but variance has nothing to do with losing 60BB at 5/10 and then giving up.

Its to do with being a degen, degening is good fun and i dont mind if you want to, you keep the games fun, so get a job and live an average life and try and have fun doing so.

Best of luck into the future mate and enjoy Sydney, i prefer Melbourne but when you live there i can understand wanting a change of scenery.

You are the reason things are going well for you at the moment. The reason people aren't giving you 100% hugs and sympathy about your predicament is because you engineered your way into it while consistently ignoring a solid lifetimes' worth of advice from experienced men who know exactly what they are talking about.

Fyp


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Variance is obviously a real thing but from your accounts it doesn't really seem like variance. Its honestly quite disappointing to hear that you went and played 5/10 and 1/3plo (which isn't even holdem!!!). Its disappointing because some people out in the thread (despite there being a lot of trolls/negativity in your thread) actually take some time out of their day to help you analyse a hand or provide you with constructive criticism. I honestly want to boycott your thread and stop giving advice - because it seems like it just going to get wasted at 1/3 plo BUT if you take up that amazingly kind offer from Kelvis (restoring my faith in humanity) I will continue to provide analysis on your online hands from 50nl or 25nl or whatever plan Kelvis puts you on. That being said, if you show any signs of degeneracy I am jumping off the sinking ship.