So instead of playing the games you have been crushing, at a vital stage when your BR is on its last legs, where every $ counts, you once again returned to the games where you have been consistently losing, and proceeded to lose more. lul

Also, you want to wait until you are broke, before getting a job, as if you can get instantly get a job anytime you want, when in reality it can take many months to get a job these days.

When you didnt think this trainwreck could be anymore closer to insanity...

Many things in this post made me laugh hard, but the part about taking a desperate punt shot at 10/20 NL with your last money just made me burst out in laughter. Like you cant be serious dude, i still cant phathom that this thread isnt a troll from OPs side.

Anyone wanna make side bets on how many more pages before this pathetic loser goes broke?

I call 5 more pages...

Like one of the reasons this thread is truly fascinating is that OP have probably gotten the biggest amount of taylor fit special designed advice/inputs by the most amount of good experienced live players that anybody have gotten before.

Still, despite that fact he manages to just make every wrong decision in the book and pretty much make all the mistakes in the book considering the spot he was in.

OP is a premium example of what many people including me have said: even the best most skilled coach in the world cant coach people that refuse to be coached or refuse to truly listen to advice.

Like i have 2 or 3 young guys like OP in my current playerpool,and i have seen plenty more. Talented pokerplayers with raw talent actually, but still with pretty huge leaks/lack of knowledge about the live environment mostly due to lack of experience. They all have ego problems preventing them from getting better, number one is that they simply isnt interested in listening to advice from players that are better than them. This actually makes me kind of sad, because as i have talked about with couple of fellow regs these guys could be real crushers if they seriously wanted too. But they dont want it. What they want is to continue to do all the stupid irresponsible things that makes sure they dont succeed. Play above their bankroll all the freaking time. Playing overly aggressive. Being mentally unstable aka tilt problems. Bluffing too much into strong ranges from tight players.Ranging people extremely optimistic and unaccurate+ hellavu lot more.

6betme, it wasn't the variance that did you in, it was your bad decision-making. I just don't think you have it in you right now to be a professional poker player. Obviously the money is stressing you out right now, or you wouldn't have tried moving up to 5/10. Or maybe you would have.. that would be even worse.

Get a job and take the pressure off. Enjoy the game again and maybe try to go pro again in the future when you have more saved up. And maybe see a therapist in between to help with your issues.

Sure, man. Variance.

Always a convenient thing to hide behind.

Well since he never made any mistakes, it's the only logical conclusion.

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You must be trolling, I cannot wrap my head around how someone can be this thick headed and dumb.

You should stick to 1/3 live since you can beat it. Why play PLO or deviate to online. You should be playing 1/3 till your last dollar. You already had a good bankroll for this shot at 1/3 and you wasted it, what makes you think it would be different next time.

Work ethic and discipline is the key. Someone who has high skill and low discipline and work ethic will always fail. Where as someone who had low skill and high work ethic and discipline would very likely succeed. If Kobe Bryant had your work ethic and discipline he would of been flipping burgers at 20.

Who cares what people think, they are not making the bad decisions, it is you. You could be gifted 100k today and you would not make it as a full time pro. If you were serious about chasing this dream you would start looking for a part time job the least to help offset expenses and continue to grind 1/3 whilst studying harder, working harder than everyone else.

For sme people egos make them, for others it breaks them, for you it is the latter. You need work ethic and discipline, if you cannot find that or that is not for you, then giving up your poker dream would be one of the smartest decisions.

Of course, I should have known. He is very good at imagining himself beating the games, without putting in any of the hard work to actually beat them.

Leaving op out of it for a moment, coz, well kicking a man when he is down and all that...

...you just described 98% of all young men whoever walked planet earth (myself included). That's why winning pro gamblers are inevitably outliers in the personality department.

You honestly have the audacity to talk about failed pgcs? You muppet.

That being said, quit poker and get a job asap op.

why would you put more online? just (try to) grind up your roll at nl25 and take a 5 or 10 BI shot at nl50 when you get to 1500. If you cant win 16 BI at nl25 you shouldn't be playing nl50 either. You obv have to start looking for a job whether you are playing nl25 or nl50 given your monthly nut.

OP, you should take fozzy's advice. Not just for his reasoning but also so you don't feel too tempted to play higher (which you will).

Good luck.

Hey, I’m really sorry that this hasn’t been working out, downswings like this are brutal when you are just getting started.

Get a job, at least part time, and keep working on your game. Put in sizable volume online, stick to 25 NL or less, stay disciplined, don’t run big bluffs, and if you can handle that for a month move up to 50 NL. if you can do that for another month without missing sessions, playing above your bankroll etc, then you can always give live another try.

You might be good enough to be a pro, you have the heart, but I don’t know if you have the discipline and the work ethic.

Good luck.

Wtf is wrong with you dude.

You are not good enough at poker to be a live pro but you’re good enough to beat 1/3 for 3-6 months if you play disciplined.

At this point I would play the 5/10 or 10/20 and hope to bink one big session so the you can continue to grind 1/3.

Approx 15 hours later.....

This just gets better and better

Another kid that watches poker on TV and thinks they can just be that aggressive 100% of the time and print money at any level gets the hard slap of reality.

OP has gotten a lifetimes worth of great advice ITT but the cold hard reality is

OP is a fish.


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You guys constantly talk about how variance is a massive thing and I underestimate variance and it's so powerful, yet when I tell you about the variance that I'm going through, suddenly you want to argue that variance is just an excuse that losers make up and that poker is all skill and no luck.

Like you were literally just arguing before that winning players go on 20+ buyin downswings, now you're saying that me breaking even over 130hrs of play has nothing at all to do with variance and everyone to do with playing bad and poor decision making.

Whatever, if you don't believe me then fine. I'm confident that I wouldn't be in the situation I'm in right now if my short-term win rate over the past 6 weeks was equal to my long-term EV. I'm confident that the reason I've busted the majority of my bankroll is because of variance, rather than a lack of skill and an inability to beat the games. But if you want to delude yourselves into thinking that variance isn't a thing and that everything that happens to everyone is purely a result of the decisions that they make and nothing else, then fine.

I can't really be bothered arguing this anyway. I'm not in a good mood right now. Things aren't going well for me at the moment, and it feels like everyone just wants to kick me whilst I'm down.

Sorry you blew up OP, I really enjoyed the candid nature of your blog and hoped you'd turn it around.

Before you go full time online, did you ban yourself from casino games as was previously suggested?? I really think you need to do this.

Try mixing in some small stakes MTTs too, they're way softer than cash.

You see what you want. Me, fozzy, and badreg (and probably others) didn't pile on you. We gave advice for if you want to continue on your poker journey. But as is the theme throughout the thread, you discard all advice or positivity and instead focus on the negative.

gl

Ok OP I am not going to rub it in any more than this (even though you would have had you gone on a 10k heater) because that is not my intention of this whole thing. You have gotten more solid advice than most people have their whole life. I actually agree with the Sydney trip, and actually I said you should have taken the money and ran. You didn't, it is what it is.

Now I am the one person that probably doubted you the most of this whole thread and I am not sorry, but what I do want is for you to succeed in a different manner. You actually have my full support, if you want it, in playing online and creating a bankroll to play live. I will devote some (more than you would think) of my time to go through hands with you as often as you like and advice you in studying to make this happen. I was never against you, and I am still with you. The one condition is that you actually listen. I have a history of cash games up to 100NL online and beating live up to 5/10 consistently in large samples so if you want to take me up on this just PM me and I won't even rub it in any more in this thread.

This is a one time deal and despite the crap I've been giving you I have been saying I don't want you to fail. This offer stands until Saturday.

We all know variance can be a *****. We also know variance when we see it and what we see in your HHs inst variance. Its some questionable, bordering on horrible play in way too many hands.

There are plenty of ways to lessen variance. Most of your hands are the opposite of that. Everyone told you that especially when playing a super short bankroll, that you needed to play a nittier style and pound people with your value hands and leave the rest of the aggro stuff alone. That was one of 100s of pieces of advice that you ignored.

From page 1 to the end. Sad, but I posted countless times telling you to take the low variance lines.