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07-17-2018 , 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Yeah maybe I could've been a bit more selective with which hands to bluff raise flop with on the monotone board.

If we were deeper stacked, would you really just fold the QQ to the turn raise, as opposed to maybe flatting the turn raise and x/folding to any big river bet?
vs a min raise, probably not. Most likely going to fold river a lot though...
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07-17-2018 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
And I just don't think therapists can do anything for me except to tell me to give up poker. Since I'm not prepared to give up poker, then there's no point in me even attending.
Thats not at all what Therapists do.

You have admitted impulse control, gambling problems and tilt issues. have a hard time actualizing your plans of putting in volume and not wasting time on things like video games, and you have no plan on how to fix these hugely important issues.

Furthermore you lack the skills or understanding on how to even fix these issues. Why on earth wouldn't you see a therepist and see if its something they can help you with.

Also, even if for some reason the first therapist you go to doesnt work for you, then go to a different one.

It will probably be the single most +EV thing you do.
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07-17-2018 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I just think it would be a better use of my time to try to find someone that specialises in poker mental game,
You realize those people (well the good ones) are therapists right?
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07-17-2018 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Alobar
You realize those people (well the good ones) are therapists right?
Yeah but they're specialised therapists. Not your average one you go to at a hospital.
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07-17-2018 , 03:01 AM
If you go to your doctor you should be able to apply for a mental health plan which basically gives you 6 sessions with a psychologist got free. As long as you say something like "I have a problem with x and it is having a negative impact on my life" it's pretty easy to get. From there you can talk about anything during your session. In my opinion, everyone should try out counselling because it will have a positive impact even if you don't feel like you need it.

I'm not expert but I really feel like you would truly benefit from counselling given your lack of discipline, poor lifestyle choices and all round degenerative tendencies.

I understand the stigma of going to see a psych but there is no shame in doing so. I used to have a similar opinion on counselling but having tried it for my insomnia, I found that it really helped many aspects of my life outside of what I was initially going there for.

If I was you, or someone serious about being a pro poker player and in a similar position as yourself, I would 100% take the chance to go see a psych.

Then again, you don't seem to listen to people giving advice for whatever reason so I honestly have no idea why I'm bothering to writing this.

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07-17-2018 , 03:07 AM
OP seeing a psych is some great advice. Bit of medication wouldn't hurt either.
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07-17-2018 , 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by f1tz
If you go to your doctor you should be able to apply for a mental health plan which basically gives you 6 sessions with a psychologist got free. As long as you say something like "I have a problem with x and it is having a negative impact on my life" it's pretty easy to get. From there you can talk about anything during your session. In my opinion, everyone should try out counselling because it will have a positive impact even if you don't feel like you need it.

I'm not expert but I really feel like you would truly benefit from counselling given your lack of discipline, poor lifestyle choices and all round degenerative tendencies.

I understand the stigma of going to see a psych but there is no shame in doing so. I used to have a similar opinion on counselling but having tried it for my insomnia, I found that it really helped many aspects of my life outside of what I was initially going there for.

If I was you, or someone serious about being a pro poker player and in a similar position as yourself, I would 100% take the chance to go see a psych.

Then again, you don't seem to listen to people giving advice for whatever reason so I honestly have no idea why I'm bothering to writing this.

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I don't know why everyone keeps saying this bolded part when I'm constantly listening and even making big decisions based upon the advice I receive in this thread. Just because I don't do 100% of the things that people recommend, doesn't mean I dismiss 100% of those ideas either.

Hmmm I'll look into that. I did hear about how people can get 6 free mental health sessions per year, but I was under the impression that you had to be diagnosed with a mental illness in order to receive that help.
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07-17-2018 , 03:37 AM
Guys, srsly, ITT there's 100 pages of people giving 6bet great and on-point advice, yet he carries on with ignoring almost every of it. Why do you think he would listen to some therapist who does not understand his "passion" for poker?
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07-17-2018 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Hmmm I'll look into that. I did hear about how people can get 6 free mental health sessions per year, but I was under the impression that you had to be diagnosed with a mental illness in order to receive that help.
Maybe gambling addiction is listed under mental illness wherever you are.
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07-17-2018 , 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by satellite84
Treating your poker like a business is what will do that. Name a successful business that operates the way you do at poker...?

Where are your spreadsheets with sessions logged?
Expense reports?
Monthly targets?
What game do you play for a living anyway? 1/3? 2/5? Online?
And what are you studying that is specific to THAT game?
I've decided that I'm going to stop thinking this way. This is just results-oriented thinking and it's a really negative mindset to have.

1) F**k setting monetary goals
2) F**k being obsessed with a particular "hourly"
3) F**k focusing on one particular game and ignoring the big picture

Every day, I'm going to set a goal to make improvements to myself and my game. I'm going to grind a game which I can afford to grind, whether it be 50nl online or 1/3 NL live or whatever, and I'm going to play that game to the best of my ability and control my tilt to the best of my ability.

If I practice, study, grind, learn and improve, then that's my best shot at moving up to 200nl+ online and $5/$10+ live where all the big money is made.

Wasting time and wasting mental energy obsessing over stupid things like hourly win rates and budgets and risk of ruin just isn't healthy for me. I'll look back at these things maybe once a month, but I want to spend the majority of my time just playing and studying and improving.

So without further ado, I'm going to start my 50nl session now. I'll post interesting hands as they pop up.
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07-17-2018 , 04:52 AM
you picked the nut worst time to play 50z, this is exactly when it dies off for the night. Peak time is 10pm - 5pm AEST.
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07-17-2018 , 04:54 AM
That is why everyone is telling you to work (at least part time) while you LEARN and earn. I can assure you that your landlord and your cell phone company have monetary goals....and it's getting your money. They don't accept "I'm bettering myself" excuses as payment. You'll learn much better and with less stress if you don't have to rely on your results to pay your bills.

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07-17-2018 , 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
you picked the nut worst time to play 50z, this is exactly when it dies off for the night. Peak time is 10pm - 5pm AEST.
2 minutes ago, I saw a guy open ship 30bbs UTG with AJo. The fish never sleep.
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07-17-2018 , 05:02 AM
To pay off or not to pay off?

$50 effective, 6-handed

Hero opens $1.25 MP with AKdd
CO calls $1.25
BTN calls $1.25
SB calls $1.25
BB folds

Flop ($5.50, 4ways) Qc 8c 4d

4 checks

Turn ($5.50) Qc 8c 4d Jc

4 checks

River ($5.50) Qc 8c 4d Jc Kh

SB bets $2
Hero calls $2
CO raises to $6.75
BTN folds
SB calls $6.75
Hero folds

SB shows 88 (set) and CO shows ATss (straight)

I'm not sure if I just burnt $2 on fire by calling the river bet the first time around. I'm also not sure whether I could've fired a Cbet on the flop or a delayed Cbet on the turn. And I'm not sure whether I can ever call a flop or turn bet (probably not).
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07-17-2018 , 05:13 AM
I'm uncapped

$33.50 effective (typically indicates that villain is a fish)

Villain opens $1 CO
Hero flats $1 BB with A7o (no club)

Flop ($2.50) 7c 6c 3d

Hero checks
Villain bets $0.91
Hero raises to $3.82
Villain 3bets to $7.61
Hero 4bet jams $32.50 effective
Villain folds

I x/r the flop because I thought that I have the range advantage here. When he 3bet over the top, I felt that he's often doing this for information. He often has an overpair that he wants to see where he's at with. I thought he's going to struggle to call a 4bet jam unless he has a set+ or a NFD. It will be interesting to look at this hand 24hrs later and see what he had.
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07-17-2018 , 05:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Jsquiddy
Also watch aomishot22, his videos are sick, he streams pokerstars 200nl on youtube.
aomishot22 confirmed solid. You trying to send OP broke even faster? lul.

https://www.boomplayer.com/28170769_45CB1CF741
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07-17-2018 , 05:42 AM
Why are you trying to make fish fold over pairs on low, wet boards?
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07-17-2018 , 05:55 AM
Some 25NL hands

Most of the 50NL pool left. There were only 10 players there, so I decided to drop down to 25NL for a bit, as that was a much bigger pool.

Hand 1: An oddly clean runout

Villain has a $19 stack (indicates he's probably a fish)
Hero opens $0.60 UTG with Qs Qh
Villain calls $0.60 BB

Flop ($1.30) 9s 7h 4d

Villain checks
Hero bets $0.65
Villain raises to $2.37
Hero calls $2.37

Turn ($6) 9s 7h 4d 7d

Villain bets $3.52
Hero calls $3.52

River ($13) 9s 7h 4d 7d 4h

Villain bets $7.54 (he has another $5 behind)
Hero calls $7.54
Villain shows 65dd (bluff)

I'm pretty much snap calling on this runout. Villain's range is too polarised for me to raise river, but at the same time, he doesn't have too many strong hands, given the runout. I would take an educated guess that villain will show up with busted straight draws about 70% of the time here, boats/quads about 20% of the time and random spazzes about 10% of the time.

Hand 2: Really not sure about this bluff

Villain (UTG) has a $20.50 stack (indicates fish)

Villain open limps $0.25
Hero raises to $1.25 SB with AKss
Villain calls $1.25

Flop ($2.75) Ts 9c 6h

Hero bets $1.37
Villain calls $1.37

Turn ($5.50) Ts 9c 6h 7s

Hero bets $3.74
Villain calls $3.74

River ($13) Ts 9c 6h 7s Qc

Hero jams $15 effective
Villain folds

I'm really not sure about the way I played that hand. It might've been higher EV to just x/f the flop tbh.
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07-17-2018 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
aomishot22 confirmed solid. You trying to send OP broke even faster? lul.

https://www.boomplayer.com/28170769_45CB1CF741
He seems like he knows what hes doing in his videos?

But I have no idea about the intricacies of midstakes online, as I only play live 1/3, haha so yeah dont listen to me basically.

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07-17-2018 , 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by dogarse
Why are you trying to make fish fold over pairs on low, wet boards?
If you had QQ in that spot, when the SPR is that high, can you honestly say that you'd call it off?

The 50nl online fish aren't as loose-passive as the 1/3 NL live fish. They actually know how to get away from 1pr hands in certain situations, such as when you show a lot of aggression on low boards in high SPR pots.

Combine that with the fact that villain doesn't necessarily have to have an overpair here. Maybe he has some draws and some random overcard spazzes in his range.
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07-17-2018 , 06:17 AM
lolz they are never folding even tp in that spot. I would say he had overcards and just being stupid.
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07-17-2018 , 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
lolz they are never folding even tp in that spot. I would say he had overcards and just being stupid.
We'll see tomorrow what he had. You could be right.

Either way, I'm never upset about denying my opponent from realising his 24% equity with 2 overcards. And denying him the opportunity to bluff me off my equity too.
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07-17-2018 , 06:49 AM
A bit looser than I expected...

25NL online, $25 effective

Hero opens $0.60 UTG with TT
Villain 3bets $2.05 MP
Hero calls $2.05

Flop ($4.40) is JT5r

Hero checks
Villain bets $2
Hero raises to $6.30
Villain calls $6.30

Turn ($17) is JT53 with diamond draw

Hero jams $16.65
Villain snap calls $16.65

Villain shows AKss and loses at showdown. I didn't expect to get snapped off that lightly though...
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07-17-2018 , 07:08 AM
I’ve been in here for the lols but also the small possibility that you might make this work but that presupposed you playing low stakes poker in the lolstrayan fish tank, which is as soft a player pool as exists

But if you intend to try to make your living playing 50 no or even 100, I’ll check out here.

You just won’t do it. It’s too hard.

Don’t take this as a ‘I’ll prove him wrong’ challenge because it’s too hard and you haven’t got it in you.

I beat the 10bb live stake for a fair clip but I can’t beat 100nl and I reckon I’m break even at best at 50nl and probably a loser. Of all the bad decisions you’ve made, choosing to play online over live as a way to make your living is the worst of all. Ainec
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07-17-2018 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
I’ve been in here for the lols but also the small possibility that you might make this work but that presupposed you playing low stakes poker in the lolstrayan fish tank, which is as soft a player pool as exists

But if you intend to try to make your living playing 50 no or even 100, I’ll check out here.

You just won’t do it. It’s too hard.

Don’t take this as a ‘I’ll prove him wrong’ challenge because it’s too hard and you haven’t got it in you.

I beat the 10bb live stake for a fair clip but I can’t beat 100nl and I reckon I’m break even at best at 50nl and probably a loser. Of all the bad decisions you’ve made, choosing to play online over live as a way to make your living is the worst of all. Ainec
This for sure.

Its just mindboggling to choose grinding very hard online games with small available edges these days when you have buttery soft 1/3 live games in your neighbourhood.

If you dont have the discipline to grind out huge volume of 1/3 live without spazzing out for stacks in like 70 percent of your sessions, then i can promise you that you wont be able to beat online at any significant samplesize either.

OP just continue to make horrible decisions after horrible decisions. Unbelieveable really.
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