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07-16-2018 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
h2 turn jam is awful, he's never bluffing and never raising worse for value. and if by some chance he is bluffing, jamming is the worst thing you can possibly do.

Looks fine to me. Villain is getting like 6 or 7/1 at this point. Calling to induce river bluffs doesn't apply.
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07-16-2018 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ShellysAshes
Looks fine to me. Villain is getting like 6 or 7/1 at this point. Calling to induce river bluffs doesn't apply.
how is it fine though? villain has 0 bluffs and doesn't min raise and pot commit himself with worse than QQ here. ever heard of baluga theorem?
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07-16-2018 , 05:29 PM
subscribing for the lolz tho it appears i'm very late to the party.
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07-16-2018 , 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Tbh I don't think there's a single person reading this thread who thinks I have what it takes except for myself. No one wants to offer me a coaching/staking deal for that reason.
6,

All the people out in the real world who actually know youwho told you that you can't make it.....did they give you a reason why they believe that you personally can't , or is it just generic disbelief in the ability for a person to make a living playing poker?

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07-16-2018 , 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by dogarse
If your friends who crush 200nl really believe you have what it takes then why not suggest a coaching/staking deal.
You really think anyone with 2 brain cells is going to stake OP for anything higher than 5nl?
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07-16-2018 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
how is it fine though? villain has 0 bluffs and doesn't min raise and pot commit himself with worse than QQ here. ever heard of baluga theorem?
No I hadn't. Why are you so adamant opponent never has worse? The only info we have is it's a player with 40bb. For all we know it could've been a complete fun-player.
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07-16-2018 , 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
subscribing for the lolz tho it appears i'm very late to the party.
Yea ur prty late. Was good earlier but obv sensationlized now.
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07-16-2018 , 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Avaritia
Yea ur prty late. Was good earlier but obv sensationlized now.
You think he degens just to post it here?
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07-16-2018 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ShellysAshes
No I hadn't. Why are you so adamant opponent never has worse? The only info we have is it's a player with 40bb. For all we know it could've been a complete fun-player.
The average unknown player doesn't take that line with worse than QQ there, especially when they're pot committing themselves. I think it's an easy fold without reads.
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07-16-2018 , 08:39 PM
6,

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
3k in cash/casino chips

1k in overdraft

1.5k emergency money (not included in roll)

1.1k in online poker account (not included in live roll)



= 4k total that I am counting towards my roll.

Ok, so when you went pro, you had 7k + 600 leave pay + 1500 emergency = 9100.

Now, about six weeks later, you have 3k + 1100 online - 500 holiday fun money + 1500 emergency = 5100.

So your strategy to turn that around is to become a low stakes online crusher. How much volume in terms of hours/tables/hands are you planning to grind?
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07-16-2018 , 08:45 PM
6,

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Tbh I don't think there's a single person reading this thread who thinks I have what it takes except for myself. No one wants to offer me a coaching/staking deal for that reason.

He wasn’t talking about anyone reading this thread. You’ve said you have poker friends you talk hands with etc that crush the game. Why don’t you ask one of those guys to stake you and coach you?
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07-16-2018 , 10:12 PM
How does a coach expect to mentor/coach someone who doesnt listen to a word anyone says?
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07-16-2018 , 10:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
How does a coach expect to mentor/coach someone who doesnt listen to a word anyone says?
Right, probably the most great advice given to a single person on 2+2 from avg regs all the up to top crushers and he just ignores it all.
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07-16-2018 , 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I'm really pushing towards my goal now to beat 50nl online. I've been watching a tonne of videos by skuz poker and how he beats 200z on Ignition. I'm trying to emulate his plays at 50nl.
Respect. Also good to hear you have looked into mental game by watching some videos. You are showing slow signs of progress.

However I would be careful copying exactly what I do. Firstly 50nl and 200nl play quite differently (well at least from what I remember 7months ago). Important you do some population analysis because some of the strategy I incorporate would not do so well at 50nl. Secondly I still make quite a few mistakes myself. Therefore its really important you understand why certain actions are made and then determine whether it is good/bad. I personally would recommend watching Neuron and Brokenstars on twitch, they are fundamentally better players than myself and generally provide very good insight behind WHY they make a play. Thirdly, rake considerations are important. This will change some parts of strategy, particularly with your 3b range and bb defending range.

gl on proving everyone wrong
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07-16-2018 , 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Please explain to me, in detail, what all of your ranges are in that spot.
1) What range of hands are you flatting the $30 with?
2) What range of hands are you 3betting to a non-committing amount (eg. $90) then folding?
3) What range of hands are you 3betting to a non-committing amount then calling?
4) What range of hands are you 3bet jamming?

You are quick to criticise my ranges, yet you can't come up with any better alternatives.
You said you were the 1 initiating the action as the table was nitty... which then when your straddle gets sniped to 30 indicates strength. KQo goes down alot in value oop. Look for a fold. Shove is the worst option as you get called by better hands more often. You literally never get called by JQ or KJ so your hand vs Villain range performs terribly. Hero: KdQh 29.47% vs Villain 99+,AQs+,AQo+ 70.53%

Understanding how your action is by far the biggest mistake of this hand you will be able to understand a range that is good to call fold and raise.
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07-17-2018 , 12:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
what the hell are you doing with Ajo with ur bank roll, christ. You cant even be disciplined for one orbit.
fyp


op,

you cant afford a good mental game coach, but why arent you seeing a therapist? Since you arent lol american, I assume that kind of thing is free over there, and seems like it would benefit you greatly, especially since you realize you have a problem big enough that apparently you went ot GA in the past. Addiction counseling is also a thing.


Also, passive learning (watching videos on youtube) is what people do when they want something, but don't actually want to put any work in to achieve it. Its simple to sit there and watch a video and then pat yourself on the back and feel like you are doing something to get to your goals, but it's pretty much a waste of time. You need to be actively learning, you can still do it watching videos, but you need to participate in the process. Pause the video before each of the action points and think about what the best play is and why. Then hit play and see how your thought process compared. Go over ranges and do the math on hands where your thought process differed from the player in the video, see how the EVs change between the two, etc etc.

That takes a lot more work and effort, and thats the reason people don't do it, but thats what it takes to actually build the neural connections it takes to learn, otherwise you are basically wasting your time.
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07-17-2018 , 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Alobar
fyp


op,

you cant afford a good mental game coach, but why arent you seeing a therapist? Since you arent lol american, I assume that kind of thing is free over there, and seems like it would benefit you greatly, especially since you realize you have a problem big enough that apparently you went ot GA in the past. Addiction counseling is also a thing.


Also, passive learning (watching videos on youtube) is what people do when they want something, but don't actually want to put any work in to achieve it. Its simple to sit there and watch a video and then pat yourself on the back and feel like you are doing something to get to your goals, but it's pretty much a waste of time. You need to be actively learning, you can still do it watching videos, but you need to participate in the process. Pause the video before each of the action points and think about what the best play is and why. Then hit play and see how your thought process compared. Go over ranges and do the math on hands where your thought process differed from the player in the video, see how the EVs change between the two, etc etc.

That takes a lot more work and effort, and thats the reason people don't do it, but thats what it takes to actually build the neural connections it takes to learn, otherwise you are basically wasting your time.
That's usually what I do: pause the video and ask myself what I'd do, then see if the youtuber does the same thing.

And I just don't think therapists can do anything for me except to tell me to give up poker. Since I'm not prepared to give up poker, then there's no point in me even attending.
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07-17-2018 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
how is it fine though? villain has 0 bluffs and doesn't min raise and pot commit himself with worse than QQ here. ever heard of baluga theorem?
You don't think there's any 98 or T9 or JJ or Tx or other hands in his range that he's min raising with for "information" and plans to check back the river with?
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07-17-2018 , 01:20 AM
6b, I think your argument has more validity if he had more money behind. When he minr w/$6 behind, he has a nutty hand somewhere around 90% of the time.
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07-17-2018 , 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
You don't think there's any 98 or T9 or JJ or Tx or other hands in his range that he's min raising with for "information" and plans to check back the river with?
H2 not as bad as what people think, its 40bb effec. turn is not great for your range but I'd still be getting QQ in here. You will get shown enough bull**** here for QQ to be jammed profitably here. Any deeper and I would fold vs turn raise.

as for the other hands

H1: standard
H2: gross but once again I have seen enough BS here we arent folding
h3: very bad. raise with a ****ty diamond at least. even a3o with the 3d is better - in anonymous games you don't want to deviate too much from a consistent strategy otherwise you will over bluff.
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07-17-2018 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by skuzlad
Respect. Also good to hear you have looked into mental game by watching some videos. You are showing slow signs of progress.

However I would be careful copying exactly what I do. Firstly 50nl and 200nl play quite differently (well at least from what I remember 7months ago). Important you do some population analysis because some of the strategy I incorporate would not do so well at 50nl. Secondly I still make quite a few mistakes myself. Therefore its really important you understand why certain actions are made and then determine whether it is good/bad. I personally would recommend watching Neuron and Brokenstars on twitch, they are fundamentally better players than myself and generally provide very good insight behind WHY they make a play. Thirdly, rake considerations are important. This will change some parts of strategy, particularly with your 3b range and bb defending range.

gl on proving everyone wrong
Yeah that's a good point. Even Jnandez was saying about low stakes PLO that rake is the enemy and we want to be playing fewer hands and winning more hands preflop at the low stakes. So I can make that adjustment.

Well I mean, I get that the average player at 50nl is worse and more imbalanced than the average player at 200nl, but like, I don't think the difference would be so substantial that we'd need to restructure our strategy entirely. Like I know that when we go from live poker to online poker, the difference in game play is so substantial that everything needs to change: open raise sizes, 3bet sizes, Cbet sizes, cold calling range, must make ridiculous exploitative folds, can make super thin value bets, must severely underbluff, etc. Whereas I'd expect most of these things to be very similar from 50nl to 200nl. Maybe we can get a little more sticky with hands at 200nl, since players are more aggro, they bluff more and bet thinner, but I don't think that it's an entirely different game. It's not like I'm watching a high stakes game and trying to apply it to 5nl.

Okay I will watch those videos as well. Thanks for the recommendation.

And thank you, I will do my best to prove the haters wrong.
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07-17-2018 , 01:33 AM
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Originally Posted by skuzlad
H2 not as bad as what people think, its 40bb effec. turn is not great for your range but I'd still be getting QQ in here. You will get shown enough bull**** here for QQ to be jammed profitably here. Any deeper and I would fold vs turn raise.

as for the other hands

H1: standard
H2: gross but once again I have seen enough BS here we arent folding
h3: very bad. raise with a ****ty diamond at least. even a3o with the 3d is better - in anonymous games you don't want to deviate too much from a consistent strategy otherwise you will over bluff.
Yeah maybe I could've been a bit more selective with which hands to bluff raise flop with on the monotone board.

If we were deeper stacked, would you really just fold the QQ to the turn raise, as opposed to maybe flatting the turn raise and x/folding to any big river bet?
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07-17-2018 , 01:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
That's usually what I do: pause the video and ask myself what I'd do, then see if the youtuber does the same thing.

And I just don't think therapists can do anything for me except to tell me to give up poker. Since I'm not prepared to give up poker, then there's no point in me even attending.
You're not going to even try because you don't think they can help? Why not at least try it out? Isn't it worth the chance that they might actually be able to help? Just tell them you have a problem with gambling. Tell them you like poker because it's a strategy game, and you'd like to keep playing it AS a strategy game, without playing it to gamble. If they can't help you, they can't help you. But at least you tried.

It almost sounds to me like you don't want to go because you're afraid to give up gambling..
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07-17-2018 , 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerPhilosopher
You're not going to even try because you don't think they can help? Why not at least try it out? Isn't it worth the chance that they might actually be able to help? Just tell them you have a problem with gambling. Tell them you like poker because it's a strategy game, and you'd like to keep playing it AS a strategy game, without playing it to gamble. If they can't help you, they can't help you. But at least you tried.

It almost sounds to me like you don't want me to go because you're afraid to give up gambling..
I just think it would be a better use of my time to try to find someone that specialises in poker mental game, as opposed to a generic psychologist. Plus most of them charge money. I was only able to get free counselling in the past because my uni offered it, but I'm no longer a student.
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07-17-2018 , 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I just think it would be a better use of my time to try to find someone that specialises in poker mental game, as opposed to a generic psychologist. Plus most of them charge money. I was only able to get free counselling in the past because my uni offered it, but I'm no longer a student.
Fair enough, but if there are any free ones, why not check them out? You can always look for a specialist later. You don't really have much to lose.
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