Get a job, get some discipline

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I also recommend the mental game of poker by Jared Tendler

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6,

Fwiw, you haven’t experienced a real downswing yet. It happens to everyone, including much better players than you, so you should be prepared for things to get a lot worse than you’ve experienced.

11k up at live poker.
$350 down online.
$800 down at non-poker casino games.

Mike doesn't crush 2/5. He's probably a moderate winner and that's about it. If he was a true crusher at 2/5 live, then he wouldn't be playing 2/5 live. There's a reason why he's been playing the same stakes for 10 years (or however long it's been) and hasn't tried to move up to 5/10. There's a reason why he doesn't play small to mid stakes online. He's just accepted that he's not good enough. He's content with where he is. But I'm not. I have goals and ambitions to move higher than that. If I'm going to be stuck at one stake for years on end, then I want that stake to be at least 5/10 live or 100nl online, and no lower than that.

This is all fine, but what is it you are actually DOING about quitting those things?

I mean I think you use this thread terribly. Nobody in here is saying you HAVE to fail because you suck, they are telling you you are GOING to fail doing what you are doing. And you are failing. So getting a pep talk and a chin up son when you are blatantly failing at every goal YOU set out is not what you need right now.

If you really want to start seeing improvement, then make a plan, put it in writing here. ONE plan. ONE game. Whatever you want to do for now, that you can afford. And then come in here EVERY SINGLE DAY and post concrete numbers of how you did each session and the change in bankroll DAILY including cashouts and expenditures. Then there will be no half assed, my bankroll is sort of, kind of this or that... and if you go 29 days and **** up on the 30th then, we'll ALL be able to see the 29 days and I guarantee you you will get the pick me up, go get'em tiger messages from everyone in here on the 30th day, because it will seem like a MISTAKE, not a way of life for you.

I don't think you need Gambler's Anon either. I think people in here are way underestimating the fact you are like 24 and most of the **** you are doing is just immaturity you will likely grow out of naturally, but at this rate it will be well past any hope you have of being a professional poker player.

Commit to 1/3 or 25 NL online... set a bankroll, set a life roll total. Post the starting totals with a planned out schedule for WORKING and then come in here daily with a results post. It will help YOU track your success properly and your expenses and allow us to be a more positive influence to you as well.

Or ignore this post and don't. This thread is the tits either way for us!

Ask the site to exclude you from casino games indefinitely. That's probably the best option.

Why do you need to post in this thread, just out of curiosity? If you believe it's pulling you down and contributing negatively to your success, just stop posting here. Simple as that.

You have poker friends in real life for motivation, many of whom you claim crush the games for huge win rates. You can keep a record of results in an Excel file or a pen and paper notepad. There's no real need to keep posting here if it's having such a negative impact on you.

I distinctly remember you saying that you could get your old job back if things didn't work out. Now you can't get it back. Why not?

Never been to one of those organisations, but it sounds like they don't help.

Just talk to your poker friends in real life. The ones you talk about who crush the games. I'm sure they can help with your tilt. Go with a friend to the casino and they can help make yourself accountable. Apart from that, not sure what to suggest, other than getting more self discipline or quitting completely (which you don't want to do).

FWIW OP is hopeless and will be busto soon so instead of trying to get him to play better or make smart decisions my advice to everybody is to sit back and watch this ****ing thing burn.

The only real question is does he max out credit cards or start scamming people for a stake.

And if OP gets all mad my response is: prove me wrong.

Very rarely does a thread deliver on this level imo.

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Adulting is hard. There is no participation trophy. Uplifiting encouragement is for children. Adults give constructive criticism, and wise adults receive it and use it. You have over 2k pages of harsh constructive criticism tailored specifically to your life and needs directly at your fingertips and you choose to ignore it. Poker/gambling in general especially as a career isn't looked at fondly by normal society. If you want to be encouraged, take encouragement in the fact that people in your chosen "support group" are still trying to help you after 2k+ posts of having their help thrown back in their faces.

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+1, a lot of people here truly do want to see you succeed.

The 6bi downer was at 25nl online, not at live

uh oh

Damnit. This thread is reeling me back in again.

LOLOLOLOL

You're so delusional I'm just going to say this....I made more money in the last year playing poker 120 or so hours a month, than I ever made in a full year of real work working 175 hours a month....and I had a real job. Not a minimum wage pizza delivery job.

Id post a graph but you're not worth my time.

He's too fixated on the concept of "leveling up" to see or understand where the real and realistic money actually is.

Sharks don't hunt for large and difficult prey, they eat way meals often and at will.

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OP posted

"I know that blackjack and roulette are -EV games. I know that tilting is bad and destructive. I'm sure that a fat person knows that they shouldn't be eating those greasy burgers from Macca's. But to actually do these things in practice is hard. You might go 29 days without doing them, then crack on day 30.

I went several months without playing any -EV games like blackjack or roulette. It was only recently that I started playing those games when tilted. The stress and all the bottled up emotions must've just gotten to me, and I cracked suddenly"

Those are sure signs of a gambling addict or an addict of any kind. They want to stop, they know they need to stop...but they cant stop. Lots of alcoholic stop drinking for a while until something in their life stresses them out, they get bad news at work, girlfriend breaks up with them or whatever....then they start drinking. This is exactly what OP is doing. Hes an addict.

Having some gambling tendencies and being a 24 year old muppet doing stuff you know you shouldn't is also immaturity. Not everyone who makes dumb choices, even consistent dumb choices when they are 24 is an addict.

I spent all sorts of money, wasted all sorts of bankrolls on useless ****... I wasn't addicted to strippers or blow or drinking or gambling... I was young and afforded the opportunity to be dumb, but doesn't mean I didn't wake up and regret doing it sometimes and wish I'd get my life together, etc etc.

If he is still this way at 34, then sure, probably an underlying issue. But I'm 34 now and own a business, engaged, pay bills, manage budgets, invest for future, etc etc... I'm sticking with he's immature for now. I don't think GA is going to do anything for him. We're talking about a few hundred bucks here and there for a kid. He isn't dropping mortgage payments and losing houses and cars.

The wheels have fallen off as expected. OP is a clear degenerate and that's it. I don't have much personal experience with them but is it wrong to assume this is a condition that cannot be changed, because its how someone is wired?? so the only solution is to totally stop gambling or drinking, watever it is. Does anyone know any reformed gamblers that could eventually gamble responsibly? Seems like fantasy to me.

In other words OP is a lost cause and has zero chance of being a poker pro. His last online session has confirmed it, so just stop wasting your time and torturing yourself, get a decent job (not pizza deliveries) and just play a bit of poker on the side for fun maybe.

You know what to do but you cannot do it. Maybe consider setting aside your ego and consider that being a professional gambler might not be for you. Or perhaps take some time off get a job get your head cleared and give it another shot, as right now your chances of long term poker success is under 1%.

If you feel as though the thread is causing you grief, stop posting. Read your own posts objectively, are they the musings of someone destined to succeed?

These are some of reasons why people are telling you why you are destined to fail
1. You have gambling issues and cannot control them.
2. You jump stakes and games constantly.
3. You do not listen to constructive criticism
4. You do not put in the work and hours
5. You have excuse after excuse for your failings
6. You strongly believe you are a winning player without keeping records
7. You contradict yourself over and over again
8. You live larger than your means

That is the picture that you paint to people, whether you like it or not. Would you say someone with those attributes will more likely succeed or fail in their pursuit of being a professional poker player?

How's that 4th pg&c of yours coming along?

vg

I used to think like OP, trying to be the best in the world, I thought Jnandez's approach was wrong and that he was a nit to advocate you should play poker for money in order to have freedom. In the end, I learned the hard way that in order to be the best one day, first you need to be good, aiming for the highest stakes right from the start with very low knowledge of the game(and bankroll) is a very bad approach. Its mostly caused by ego issues and OP needs to fix that in order to succeed.

Everyone glossing over the fact that he’s already been in GA once is amazing.

OP, you very clearly have issues with gambling.

You need to quit. Plain and simple. Anything else and this all ends really badly.


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Can you take responsibility for your own stupid actions for one ****ing second?

You've gotten more good advice how to play good poker for a living than most people will ever get in a lifetime and you're wasting every single opportunity to take it. What everyone is telling you is that when you keep doing things your own way you're going to fail 100% of the time, which is correct. You couldn't take advice if your life depended on it and unless you're going to strike a sick heater you're going to suffer the consequences for your actions sooner than you'd like.

No, GA is probably not right for you because they mostly are a bunch of idiots, but that doesn't mean you have a serious gambling problem that you need to take care of in some way. You couldn't stick to 1/3 for a month if you had a gun pointed at your head and you know it. You keep making up excuses for moving up and you might actually believe a word you're saying which is even worse.

Take the money you have and run. Quit this game and plan for a better future. If you don't, and you also take none of the advice, you're going to crash and burn and maybe that's the best way you'll learn.

This is probably the most concerning thing. OP did say he was going to stop once he reaches $0, but judging by OP's track record of never sticking to anything he says, will he actually stop? Or will he (like you say) max out credit cards, overdrafts, loans etc. in order to continue playing?

I hope it doesn't reach that point. But it could do, which is you need to sort out your discipline sooner rather than later, OP.

He already counted his overdraft as part of his liferoll early in this thread.

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