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Old 07-12-2018, 08:17 AM   #2526
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

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I agree 100%.

You need to know what balanced play looks like before you can even identify imbalances in the first place. And you need to be able to identify imbalances before you can begin to exploit them.

Plus, when playing against unknowns, we need some kind of "default" play until we get a read on our opponents and how they play. Learning to be balanced and play as close to GTO as possible is a great start.
You don't need PIO to do any of this. You haven't mastered fundamentals but you want to jump into 50NL using expensive and advanced software that you're almost certainly too lazy to figure out how to use properly.

Make up your mind and stick with one or two (max) games FFS. You hop around from 1/3 to 2/5 to 5/T to home games to online donkaments to online cash games. Just pick one and get really good at it. And online may be the best way to go but I don't think you're ready for 50NL. Learn to walk before you try to run...
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:17 AM   #2527
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I agree 100%.

You need to know what balanced play looks like before you can even identify imbalances in the first place. And you need to be able to identify imbalances before you can begin to exploit them.
Do you need to know what balanced play looks like when facing a station and you should literally never bluff? When you start out you learn exploitable play first to combat the fish. It involves less bluffing so I assume you skipped that part.
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:11 AM   #2528
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Yo just jumping in here for some non cooking thoughts. Now, you are def more seasoned in poker than me, I'll say that right up front.

But it seems this "need" to get PIO reminds me of people into music who "need" a certain amp or "need" a new pedal or two for THAT sound with is simply UNOBTANIUM. Instead of wanting to practice a hard technique or practice things that are "boring" they think spending money on a piece of equipment is the shortcut to being good.

I'll echo some of the other people here and say get a PART TIME job. Even just something to help alleviate the pressure of having a small ass bankroll that is obviously causing you to play not your A game. Maybe be a waiter at some fancy Melbourne spot three days a week. Try out bartending. I've worked at a couple bars as a barback (aka janitor man) and the bartenders would take home around $400 bucks on a weekend night normally.
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:24 AM   #2529
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

OP I can relate in I know how addictive RS can be. I once had 4b GP from the Duel Arena, how much is that worth in today's $?
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:33 AM   #2530
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I was beating 2nlz on Stars for 7bb/100 over more than 50k hands 2.5 years ago. I've improved a lot since then, and I've found sites much softer than Stars.

Say what you want, but I'm confident that I'm not too far off being able to beat 50nl online. It's honestly more about my mental game, putting in volume and sticking to one stake than it is about my technical ability.

I don't think there's anything that Flopzilla can teach me that I don't already know. PioSolver can teach me a lot though. There's still a lot of board textures where I don't know how I can play my range in a balanced way.

Last night, I saw a hand at 200nl online where UTG opened to $6, MP 3bet to $20, SB 4bet to $50, UTG folds, MP 5bet jams $200 and SB snap calls. MP shows ATs and SB shows Q7s. Yes, this stuff happens even at midstakes online today.

The games are more beatable than people realise. And I'm prepared to put in the volume and study to become one of the top crushers.
What happened to plans of grinding up to live high stakes and making $300k a year? You seemed so optimistic you would be able to achieve this earlier in the thread, what changed?
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:46 AM   #2531
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OP I can relate in I know how addictive RS can be. I once had 4b GP from the Duel Arena, how much is that worth in today's $?
If it's OSRS then it's worth 4k. If it's RS3 then it would be worth less than 1k.

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What happened to plans of grinding up to live high stakes and making $300k a year? You seemed so optimistic you would be able to achieve this earlier in the thread, what changed?
I still have those plans. I want to crush 200nl online, as well as 10/20 NL and 10/20 PLO. Being able to crush small stakes online is essential in case I bust my roll and can't afford to play live anymore. I need that rebuilding block.
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Old 07-12-2018, 11:10 AM   #2532
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If it's OSRS then it's worth 4k. If it's RS3 then it would be worth less than 1k.
Damn, it was OSRS.
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:34 PM   #2533
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It would be way more educational to punt 12 buyins at nl25 than it would be to buy pio, also you should know that the $300 version is pretty limited. Go get the free trial and see what you learn from the QJ2 flop that you can apply in game. Get rio essential and check out the pio analysis. The only thing pio will teach about microstakes if anything is that players dont raise enough, dont 3bet bluff postflop ever, raise too many nutted hands ott, and that you shouldnt continue weak hands with bad playability on later streets.
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:15 PM   #2534
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lol no way it wouldn't be more educational to punt 12 buy ins at NL25, not even close mate
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:21 PM   #2535
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When people "duel", they usually disable basically all features, and fight without any armour and weapons, to the point where it's all luck and no skill. RNG determines who wins and who loses. It's essentially just flipping a coin for massive amounts of ingame wealth.

So I began to join in the fun. I took a few shots and quickly lost my entire bank (ingame). Then I spent $100 buying more ingame gold and proceeded to gamble that up. I went from $10 duels to $20 duels to $40 duels, eventually losing it all.
But still doesn't believe he has a gambling problem.
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:25 PM   #2536
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

"What if he had Ace high?"

2/5, 9-handed, $400 effective

3 limps
Hero checks BB with Qs Jh

Flop ($18, 4ways) is Qc Tc 9d

Reg checks SB
Hero bets $15
1 fold
Whale calls $15 BTN
Reg calls $15 SB

Turn ($59, 3ways) is Qc Tc 9d Th

Reg checks
Hero checks
Whale checks

River ($59) is QT9TQ

Reg checks
Hero bets $50
Whale calls $50
Reg folds

Hero shows first and then whale flips over 93o?!

People asked him why he called when he was playing the board, and his only response was "I had to call, what if he had Ace high?"

This same guy also called $50 pre with Q2s, managed to flop a pair+FD and won that hand. When asked why he called $50 preflop with Q2s, his response was "I couldn't fold, I had a pair and a flush draw". He didn't even seem to know what the word preflop meant. Also that hand, the river brought a 4 straight and the action went check check. The player who lost asked "were you folding if I bet the river?" And he gave a very similar response of "no I wasn't folding, I had a pair and a flush draw". He didn't seem to know what river meant either. It was hilarious.
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:27 PM   #2537
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:41 PM   #2538
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lol no way it wouldn't be more educational to punt 12 buy ins at NL25, not even close mate
So you agree with me? I cant tell lol
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:51 PM   #2539
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

“Once I stop wasting time delivering pizzas I’ll be ready to grind”
“Once the temperature outside isn’t slightly lower than what I’m comfortable with I’ll be ready to grind”
“Once I stop wasting time playing video games I’ll be ready to grind”

I’m seeing a pattern here...
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:23 PM   #2540
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Re: Having a really bad downswing immediately after setting poker goals

I work full time and still put in more hours than OP.
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:31 PM   #2541
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It would be way more educational to punt 12 buyins at nl25 than it would be to buy pio, also you should know that the $300 version is pretty limited. Go get the free trial and see what you learn from the QJ2 flop that you can apply in game. Get rio essential and check out the pio analysis. The only thing pio will teach about microstakes if anything is that players dont raise enough, dont 3bet bluff postflop ever, raise too many nutted hands ott, and that you shouldnt continue weak hands with bad playability on later streets.
I agree, although its never a bad thing to have another reg looking for shortcuts and misusing pio in the pool. If it was that simple there would be a lot more crushers around.
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:52 PM   #2542
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So you agree with me? I cant tell lol
sorry I guess my sentence wasn't very clear, english ain't my first language, but yeah I disagree, I think PIO is a much better investment than just playing NL25 and losing
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Old 07-12-2018, 05:08 PM   #2543
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sorry I guess my sentence wasn't very clear, english ain't my first language, but yeah I disagree, I think PIO is a much better investment than just playing NL25 and losing
Out of curiousity, what is there to learn from pio for someone who hasnt beat nl50 yet? Imo just playing and putting your assumptions into flopzilla and making sure you are executing as best as possible is the way to learn.
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:10 PM   #2544
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the only assumptions you need to make with PIO are pre flop ranges, then you can play with nodelocking if you feel you've got a certain read on a specific player for a spot you're not sure about
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:56 PM   #2545
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pio will give you all these answers
No, actually it won't.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:27 PM   #2546
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the only assumptions you need to make with PIO are pre flop ranges, then you can play with nodelocking if you feel you've got a certain read on a specific player for a spot you're not sure about
And those "assumptions" are just estimates which no one can estimate the margin of error with inputted into an algorithm that may or may not be outputting answers that are close to true GTO, and may not even apply in the situation you are attempting to "solve".
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:51 PM   #2547
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And those "assumptions" are just estimates which no one can estimate the margin of error with inputted into an algorithm that may or may not be outputting answers that are close to true GTO, and may not even apply in the situation you are attempting to "solve".
OP cant even set a simple goal (like only play 1/3) and stick to that goal for more than 24 hours...or walk 10 minutes to the casino if its under 50 degrees and we expect him to take the time to work with pio and "solve" anything?

The guy has the shortest attention span of anyone Ive ever seen.
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:14 PM   #2548
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:57 PM   #2549
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One thing I can say is that Snowie is totally worthless if you play cash in Australia
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Old 07-13-2018, 02:03 AM   #2550
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And those "assumptions" are just estimates which no one can estimate the margin of error with inputted into an algorithm that may or may not be outputting answers that are close to true GTO, and may not even apply in the situation you are attempting to "solve".
You seem to be arguing 2 things here:
1) Our preflop assumptions might be wrong, so let's give up on trying to solve postflop, since that will be based on incorrect assumptions and incorrect ranges.
2) Our opponents might not take the line that Pio suggests, so that makes all future streets invalid.

I can refuse both points pretty easily:
1) We can give percentages if we're not sure. We can give someone 0.5 combos or even 0.3 combos of a hand if we're not sure they open it or not. That will allow us to represent our opponent's range fairly well whilst making as few assumptions as possible.
2) We can node lock on later streets. That will allow us to take into account the fact that our opponent made an imbalanced play on earlier streets, and it will allow us to adjust appropriately and exploitatively.

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OP cant even set a simple goal (like only play 1/3) and stick to that goal for more than 24 hours...or walk 10 minutes to the casino if its under 50 degrees and we expect him to take the time to work with pio and "solve" anything?

The guy has the shortest attention span of anyone Ive ever seen.
It's because my bankroll is constantly changing. Desperate times call for desperate measures. If my roll never fluctuated, then I'd hardly fluctuate in stakes either. I need to adjust which games I play, based on the circumstances I find myself in. If I go on a downswing, I need to move down. If I go on an upswing, I want to move up. If my skill level increases, I want to play more online. If the skill level of my opponents increases, I want to play more live. If there are more whales on PLO, then I'll play that. If there are more whales on NLHE, then I'll play that. It's about doing what's best for the situation you're currently in. I'd argue that it's stupid to get too comfortable with one game and one routine and be unwilling to show flexibility.
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