150bb/hr? that would mean like 450bb/100 ????

how is this even possible

Your stdev is 200bb/100+? 33% higher than heads up? And you think someone has triple that? Please explain how sitting and waiting for premiums has higher variance than heads up.

Who sits around waiting for premiums? My StnDev of 56BB/hr is very very low compared to most winning players. Go to the Bankroll/Winrate thread and do some searching.

You clearly dont understand StnDev. There's no number that is "33% higher than heads up". Everyone's StnDev is different.

Imagine how much better every single thread that Mike Starr comments in would be if Mike Starr never commentated.

Seriously dude, no one gives a ****. Do you have the smallest penis in the world or something? Every single post I see of yours is some thread derailing, off topic, dick measuring garbage.

So boring.

This entire thread is one giant derail. Nothing I say could make it worse.

This sounds about right. I'd imagine that anyone who claims to have a 2x or more higher StDev than this is either:
1) Lacking a sample size (less than 50k hands).
2) Not a winning player. There's only so LAG you can play until you turn into a maniac that just spews away stacks constantly.
3) They just calculated it wrong.

Let's try and contribute something pertinent with a question for op (sorry if you already answered it but, the thread is pretty long now)

How many hours do you put in at the casino per week?

The Sand Casino

Part of the reason I haven't put in a huge amount of volume in the past month is because I've been distracted by a MMORPG game which I've wasted, in total, more than 600 hours playing on my account.

I got into it originally because it was connected to some gambling and poker websites. People would buy and sell ingame gold for real life money, even in quantities worth 4 figures, and would then proceed to gamble away the ingame gold at third party websites. Whilst it was against the rules to do this, and many people got banned for it, the black market was still there.

So I created an account about a year ago and had originally just intended for it to be a throwaway account where I buy and sell gold on it, in order to play poker with, and I didn't care if my account got banned or not. Later though, I started playing the game itself. I used to play it when I was tilted at poker and needed some time off, but it eventually became my primary game.

Before I knew it, I was more obsessed with the game itself than I was with the third party gambling websites that it was attached to. It began to consume me more and more.

I'd set a goal like "I want to achieve X level" or "I want to complete Y quest", and before I even finished accomplishing that goal, I'd come up with another 5 goals that I also want to achieve after that. It was neverending. I think that the game developers strategically designed the game that way so that it's difficult to quit.

Last night, I was having a conversation with a close friend about it and I concluded that this game was wasting my life. If I put all the hours I spent playing that game into poker, I could have earnt 10k+ during that time. I decided that it was time for me to quit, so I took all the items I had and liquidated them for ingame gold. Then I headed to the sand casino...

The "sand casino" is an informal name that players use to describe the duel arena. There's this location known as the "duel arena", where people risk certain ingame items in a 1v1 battle. This is perfectly within the rules of the game, unlike the third party gambling websites I was talking about earlier.

People risk so much at this duel arena that it's almost like a real casino. Some of the ingame wealth that people are prepared to risk would take literally hundreds, even thousands of hours, to obtain legitimately.

When people "duel", they usually disable basically all features, and fight without any armour and weapons, to the point where it's all luck and no skill. RNG determines who wins and who loses. It's essentially just flipping a coin for massive amounts of ingame wealth.

So I began to join in the fun. I took a few shots and quickly lost my entire bank (ingame). Then I spent $100 buying more ingame gold and proceeded to gamble that up. I went from $10 duels to $20 duels to $40 duels, eventually losing it all.

After that, I just decided f**k it, I'm done. I sold everything I had and dropped all the supplies. Someone messaged me ingame and said that he can get me $200 for my account, so I'll probably sell that too. I'm done with that sh*t time-wasting game forever.

Now that I'm no longer playing that game, I should have a lot more free time for poker. I'd like to put in at least 50hrs each week playing poker, primarily online. I'm starting to believe that I have what it takes to beat 50nl 6max online, and over the next few months, I'd like to build up a roll online and move up to 200nl.

I'm heavily contemplating buying PioSolver too. The cheapest version costs around $300 and I think that that would be a much needed resource to help me understand the game better and progress towards the midstakes online. Right now, I'm more excited for poker than ever before, and I'm ready to kick a**. It's a fresh start today. Let's do this!

Look I'm all for your journey and think it's impressive that you're all in going for this but what exactly makes you so sure you're already a good enough player to beat 50nl... and 200nl in a few months... I mean people including myself want to see you succeed but you literally set yourself to get chirped by everyone in this thread.

Dude.....he's proven his worth in the Sand Casino. Now he's going to conquer, dominate, and rule Crown Melbourne. Do you even quest bro?

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I know multiple people in real life that are currently crushing 200nl online. One of them is the friend I was hanging out with last night.

If I put the same dedication and study into poker that they do, then hopefully, I can achieve the same things that they've achieved.

Dude Op you are so far off the mark here you realise it takes people 400k+ hands just to move up to nl50? You have like 20k hands dude, that was what I had when I started beating nl2. Online is the way to learn but starting at nl50 you will be broke in a week.


Also dont buy piosolver, thats not even relevant till 200nl+, buy flopzilla

I suck at poker, but as a fellow crown grinder maybe you'll find some of this useful:

Flop zilla is pretty useful.
I have pio, but I take everything it says with a massive grain of salt as obviously a lot of it isn't relevant crown (probably is against some 2/5 regs). You can get some good ideas from it that can be implemented.
Poker snowie is also worth buying. I'd say I got more value out of it than pio.
Also watch aomishot22, his videos are sick, he streams pokerstars 200nl on youtube.

Looks like 50z just juiced up. Welcome OP.

I think you will be in shock about just how tough online games are. Good luck with it though.

So, you tried to make money by gambling in some MMORPG and failed.

You moved to live CG and tried to make money there but was so bored by 1/3 that you degened it up at higher stakes without a proper bankroll and knowledge of the game, and thus failed as well.

Then you "invented" some shortstack strategy to be able to play 2/5 with a tiny bankroll but after 1000 hands (maximally) you realised you cannot beat that as well.

All the time you were saying that you're sure that you crush all of the above but all results were negative.

And know you're going to beat 50NL because your friends can do it and so you can do it, too. See where this is going?

I was beating 2nlz on Stars for 7bb/100 over more than 50k hands 2.5 years ago. I've improved a lot since then, and I've found sites much softer than Stars.

Say what you want, but I'm confident that I'm not too far off being able to beat 50nl online. It's honestly more about my mental game, putting in volume and sticking to one stake than it is about my technical ability.

I don't think there's anything that Flopzilla can teach me that I don't already know. PioSolver can teach me a lot though. There's still a lot of board textures where I don't know how I can play my range in a balanced way.

Last night, I saw a hand at 200nl online where UTG opened to $6, MP 3bet to $20, SB 4bet to $50, UTG folds, MP 5bet jams $200 and SB snap calls. MP shows ATs and SB shows Q7s. Yes, this stuff happens even at midstakes online today.

The games are more beatable than people realise. And I'm prepared to put in the volume and study to become one of the top crushers.

Here's a hand I played just now at 25nl online. It goes to show the importance of balancing your range, particularly against floaters and trigger happy opponents:

$21 effective, 6max:
Villain opens $1.10 CO
Hero 3bets $4 SB with AQo (no club)
Villain calls $4

Flop ($8.25) is Qc 3c 2d

Hero bets $2
Villain calls $2

Turn ($12.25) is Qc 3c 2d 6s

Hero checks
Villain bets $12.25
Hero jams $15
Villain calls and shows TT

I actually don't mind villain's play here. A lot of players are imbalanced when they Cbet flop and check turn, so it makes sense for him to apply pressure.

Why are you <100bb eff? You need to stick to one thing. Imo you’ll have way better chance playing nitty 1/3 but if you want to grind online stick to just online.

Online = more volume = more lolz. A positive for OP and this thread imo.

Yeah pio is mainly aimed for beating online poker. I don't think it would be too relevant to live games below 5/5/10.

Isn't snowie just a more primitive version of pio? I heard that it's kind of inaccurate and outdated, so it's basically redundant these days.

I'll definitely check out aomishot22. Thanks for the heads up.

Learning to play GTO helps your exploitative game a ton FYI.

I agree 100%.

You need to know what balanced play looks like before you can even identify imbalances in the first place. And you need to be able to identify imbalances before you can begin to exploit them.

Plus, when playing against unknowns, we need some kind of "default" play until we get a read on our opponents and how they play. Learning to be balanced and play as close to GTO as possible is a great start.

I've been thinking about that 25nl hand I just posted and I've realised that one of my leaks is that I am often pretty clueless about how to play river spots, especially when deep-stacked.

So hypothetically, if we were $50 deep instead of $21 deep, and if my opponent checked back the turn instead of betting, and if river was a complete brick, I would struggle to know:
1) What hands should we be betting river with?
2) What hands should we be checking river with?
3) Of the hands that bet river, how many should call a raise and how many should fold?
4) What does our opponent's range even look like when they raise on a brick river after flatting flop and checking back the turn?
5) Of the hands that check river, how many should call a bet? Are we imbalanced there?
6) What does our opponent's range look like when they bet a brick river after flatting flop and checking back the turn?
7) Should we have a river check-raising range at all? And if so, what should it look like?

Is anyone good at river spots like these? Or do I need to consult pio?

pio will give you all these answers