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10-18-2018 , 08:06 AM
Wait the stake ends at $10k overall profit? OP what are your plans after you hit that mark because after life expenses I don't see you having a single penny saved up.
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10-18-2018 , 08:10 AM
So much of a LLSNL win rate comes from having a slightly more nutted hand when someone else has a nutted hand.

AJcc is far too strong of a hand to focus purely on denying equity rather than realising our own. Also, 3b/f would cost you less than what? If you mean than you lost in this hand that's worryingly results orientated.

Wrt the staking deal, it's up to DL to offer whatever the likes and 6b to accept if he wants to. Wanting a small premium in exchange for taking on higher risk/workload than usual seems completely fair and reasonable from an investment pov.l
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10-18-2018 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
Wait the stake ends at $10k overall profit? OP what are your plans after you hit that mark because after life expenses I don't see you having a single penny saved up.
Depending on how long it takes me to get to that point and depending on how things are going, we might negotiate a new staking agreement. I might play other games too, such as 2/5 NL and the apps. But I don't want to be too forward because none of this is guaranteed yet. So I'm just going to continue with the current stake as best as I can, and let the future unfold.
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10-18-2018 , 08:41 AM
You have a gf that apparently works so much she has no time to even cook for you, so why does it sound like your the one supporting her and paying for everything? Is she still working in that sweatshop?
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10-18-2018 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
You have a gf that apparently works so much she has no time to even cook for you, so why does it sound like your the one supporting her and paying for everything? Is she still working in that sweatshop?
Her job doesn't pay much... she works a lot for very little pay. You know what Thai restaurants are like.
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10-18-2018 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Her job doesn't pay much... she works a lot for very little pay. You know what Thai restaurants are like.
When you see her, is she very tired and exhausted from all the work she's doing? It seems like a stressful job if you ask me. Restaurants are not easy places to work!
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10-18-2018 , 09:50 AM
6BM,

How much volume are you putting in weekly? I'm asking because it seems like a no brainer to look for part time work. There is no way you'll be save anything being paid just 1/2 of your profits on stake. I know you know the math. You say you'e made close to 4k over the first 100 hours on stake. You are well aware that you are running above expectation at this rate, and saving anything at all after expenses.

For the past three years I've worked a full time job (~1800-2000 hours per year) on top of 500-600 hours of poker, and 300-400 hours of poker STUDY yearly. Because of this I've been able to save up to what is basically infinite bankroll. If you are putting in 20-30 hours of poker, you should SERIOUSLY consider a part time gig - so you can save for your own future. BEST case scenario over the next few months to a year on this stake you'll breakeven after life expenses. Worst case scenario you go into makeup and start owing someone money. You are making LESS than minimum wage on this stake, all while not building your resume at all. You are hindering your future prospects significantly.

In poker it is SO KEY to save for the inevitable ass whooping we all take at some point. I won at 11 bb/hr at 2/5 & 5/T in 2017. I did not have a losing month, and had several 5 figure months. I thought I was gods gift to poker. Granted, I did work hard. It doesn't matter, though. I'm glad I saved almost all of it because in 2018 I have had ONE winning month, and almost nothing has changed in terms of game quality/my strategy, etc. It's just math (variance)

Some of the best players on this forum, and in the world are looking for ways to transition out of poker. It's obvious why that is. In poker, your future earning potential is decreasing, while inflation continues to occur (as it always has) around the world.
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10-18-2018 , 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by tellypl
6BM,

How much volume are you putting in weekly? I'm asking because it seems like a no brainer to look for part time work. There is no way you'll be save anything being paid just 1/2 of your profits on stake. I know you know the math. You say you'e made close to 4k over the first 100 hours on stake. You are well aware that you are running above expectation at this rate, and saving anything at all after expenses.

For the past three years I've worked a full time job (~1800-2000 hours per year) on top of 500-600 hours of poker, and 300-400 hours of poker STUDY yearly. Because of this I've been able to save up to what is basically infinite bankroll. If you are putting in 20-30 hours of poker, you should SERIOUSLY consider a part time gig - so you can save for your own future. BEST case scenario over the next few months to a year on this stake you'll breakeven after life expenses. Worst case scenario you go into makeup and start owing someone money. You are making LESS than minimum wage on this stake, all while not building your resume at all. You are hindering your future prospects significantly.

In poker it is SO KEY to save for the inevitable ass whooping we all take at some point. I won at 11 bb/hr at 2/5 & 5/T in 2017. I did not have a losing month, and had several 5 figure months. I thought I was gods gift to poker. Granted, I did work hard. It doesn't matter, though. I'm glad I saved almost all of it because in 2018 I have had ONE winning month, and almost nothing has changed in terms of game quality/my strategy, etc. It's just math (variance)

Some of the best players on this forum, and in the world are looking for ways to transition out of poker. It's obvious why that is. In poker, your future earning potential is decreasing, while inflation continues to occur (as it always has) around the world.

Very strong well thought out post. As you points out, we all think we are gods gift to poker when we run pure or above expectation. Variance in poker is always alot worse than we like to tell ourself, and if you havent experienced serious downswings/very long breakeven stretches for several hundred hours people are in for a pleasant surprise when that eventually happens to them.
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10-18-2018 , 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
I don't? Trust me, all these people that are attacking "ego" here are almost universally altruists. And seeing the good constantly misrepresented and then seeing that misrepresentation, a straw man, attacked is annoying. Especially when constantly ignoring it causes others to unthinkingly agree with the status quo because it's various tropes are all they have heard in an echo chamber their entire lives.
Then why can't you understand that a word can have more than one meaning or usage? No one was talking about the philosophy of egoism, they were talking about 6bet's egotism. Don't worry, no one was attacking your worldview.
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10-18-2018 , 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Over 100 hours of responsible poker

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Hand 4: Paying off a passive nitfish
seems you're making progress in all areas.

keep it up!
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10-18-2018 , 12:07 PM
Saddest part is that he thinks his current winrate is sustainable. Even if it was, he's still saving 0 money while on this stake. Seriously, get a part-time gig right now and start putting in 70 hours of work a week between the two. You cannot afford to have much work life balance until you dig yourself out of being on the brink of broke.
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10-18-2018 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by dogarse
For **** sake dude.

Nobody in this thread is using "ego" in a philosophical or psychoanalytical context.

Every single person in this thread, with the exception of yourself, uses it to mean self-esteem or self-importance.

Every person in this thread, except you, understands what every other person in this thread means when they say "showing a bluff is just about his ego."

I've heard that Ayn Rand are ****ing ******s and you are doing a great job to confirm it.
I remember reading Ayn Rand in the 7th grade and thinking I knew everything. WorldzMine reminds me a lot of myself at that age.

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
It's okay Petrucci. You have every right to pass up on a profitable investment if you choose.

I'll let the people who have faith in me back me, and the people who don't get zero share of my profits.
thread delivering better than it ever has imo
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10-18-2018 , 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I've recorded every live session I've played this year and I'm 14k up. I didn't bust my roll at the poker tables. I busted it travelling to Sydney, paying rent, paying hotels, paying restaurants, buying drinks at bars, buying an iPhone, etc. If you don't believe me then fine.

It's complicated. I'd rather not disclose the reasons why we came to this agreement.

For value and to deny equity. Also allows me to fold to a 4bet jam, which would cost me less.
A.)-This is actually worse than busting it playing as you pissed it all away with reckless and arbitrary spending- At a poker table you have the potential to make profit. You wasted you work tools on a stupid ****ing electronic device that was design to break and be obsolescent within a few years to force you to buy a new one.(Iphone) Sydney, drinks,hotels, bars etc. All things you could either not do or do much cheaper.
B.)Dlou explained it- You could have just said-Why not explain why? You on a forum documenting your journey.
"We adjusted the terms of our agreement to better satisfy both parties"

C.)......Swing and a miss.
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10-18-2018 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotrodsather
A.)-This is actually worse than busting it playing as you pissed it all away with reckless and arbitrary spending- At a poker table you have the potential to make profit. You wasted you work tools on a stupid ****ing electronic device that was design to break and be obsolescent within a few years to force you to buy a new one.(Iphone) Sydney, drinks,hotels, bars etc. All things you could either not do or do much cheaper.
B.)Dlou explained it- You could have just said-Why not explain why? You on a forum documenting your journey.
"We adjusted the terms of our agreement to better satisfy both parties"

C.)......Swing and a miss.
Also OP has the short term attitude where when he is on an upswing he believes that he is crushing the games and plays recklessly. If he loses a few big pots due to this he comes out with that he is still up so much. This is a bad attitude to have at the poker table as these upswings now will help him through the breakeven and downswings which he will inevitably go through. I am guilty of this myself where after a few spewy pots I would tell myself 'At least I am still up' which just makes the downswings feel worse.

Playing poker for a living requires strong mental game and strong discipline with your spending which we know 6bet doesn't have.
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10-18-2018 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
Then why can't you understand that a word can have more than one meaning or usage?
I understand. I question the existence of the word/concept they are using. I'm not going to talk about this anymore here because it is a derail.
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10-18-2018 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
I remember reading Ayn Rand in the 7th grade and thinking I knew everything. WorldzMine reminds me a lot of myself at that age.



thread delivering better than it ever has imo
6bet me for 2+2 president, since he is providing such epic entertainment for the whole forum?
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10-18-2018 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
thread delivering better than it ever has imo
I can think of something better;

DLuo succumbs to his own FPS and 6betme and him go play 10/20 together while drunk and play a 70% VPIP after which they come here and explain why 8betting an UTG limp-3-5-7-better with 86s is good.
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10-18-2018 , 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tellypl
6BM,

How much volume are you putting in weekly? I'm asking because it seems like a no brainer to look for part time work.
He actually explained why about 6 months ago when he finally decided to quit his job and only earn money playing poker. He was deliverying pizzas in less than upscale sections of Melbourne. He felt abused by both the customers and his management. Given his educational background, he believes he would not find a better situation and would rather play poker even at a lower hourly than to go through those experiences again.

I don't think the last 6 months has increased is work ethic, so I tend to agree that working isn't a realistic option for him at this time. He would most likely either get fired or quit within a few months. Only if given no choice would he work effectively for anyone.
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10-18-2018 , 06:34 PM
Lol this thread is getting absurd. Everyone immediately stop feeding 6b attention and help. He doesnt deserve it. He doesnt appreciate it. He doesnt want it. He thinks whatever thought pops into his brain is by default the best decision. He has no hope. We should collectively end his thread for his own sake. Also, based on looking at his other posts, I still think this whole thread might still be a troll, as he shows clear difference in skill levels when posting in other threads rather than this thread, as if there are 2 diff ppl on acc or this is a troll. WP, u got us. If its real, good luck, you're gonna need it.

(In before he fakes saying its a troll to save image)
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10-18-2018 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Her job doesn't pay much... she works a lot for very little pay. You know what Thai restaurants are like.
Then maybe she should find a better job where she can at least get paid minimum wage legally? This is Australia 2018, not Thailand.

Last edited by mirage01; 10-18-2018 at 07:28 PM.
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10-18-2018 , 07:50 PM
The real value of this thread is seeing Group 1 weirdos taking themselves about 10x more seriously than they really ought to. I wish they'd stop embarrassing themselves. It's quite unnecessary.

Faux-supporters and verbose advisers overlook the fact that the OP is a 5 figure winner in the games.

Calm your farms. Nobody died.
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10-18-2018 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Then maybe she should find a better job where she can at least get paid minimum wage legally? This is Australia 2018, not Thailand.
If your English literacy is below average, it would be difficult in this day an age to find a 'proper' paying job. If you are on a visa there would also a restriction on the hours you can work. However for someone like 6bm with well above English literacy, he should have no problems finding an average office job.
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10-18-2018 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by SpinMeRightRound
When you see her, is she very tired and exhausted from all the work she's doing? It seems like a stressful job if you ask me. Restaurants are not easy places to work!
Yeah she's usually somewhat exhausted after work.

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Originally Posted by tellypl
6BM,

How much volume are you putting in weekly? I'm asking because it seems like a no brainer to look for part time work. There is no way you'll be save anything being paid just 1/2 of your profits on stake. I know you know the math. You say you'e made close to 4k over the first 100 hours on stake. You are well aware that you are running above expectation at this rate, and saving anything at all after expenses.

For the past three years I've worked a full time job (~1800-2000 hours per year) on top of 500-600 hours of poker, and 300-400 hours of poker STUDY yearly. Because of this I've been able to save up to what is basically infinite bankroll. If you are putting in 20-30 hours of poker, you should SERIOUSLY consider a part time gig - so you can save for your own future. BEST case scenario over the next few months to a year on this stake you'll breakeven after life expenses. Worst case scenario you go into makeup and start owing someone money. You are making LESS than minimum wage on this stake, all while not building your resume at all. You are hindering your future prospects significantly.

In poker it is SO KEY to save for the inevitable ass whooping we all take at some point. I won at 11 bb/hr at 2/5 & 5/T in 2017. I did not have a losing month, and had several 5 figure months. I thought I was gods gift to poker. Granted, I did work hard. It doesn't matter, though. I'm glad I saved almost all of it because in 2018 I have had ONE winning month, and almost nothing has changed in terms of game quality/my strategy, etc. It's just math (variance)

Some of the best players on this forum, and in the world are looking for ways to transition out of poker. It's obvious why that is. In poker, your future earning potential is decreasing, while inflation continues to occur (as it always has) around the world.
I'm not really calculating how much volume I put in per week because it changes a bit, but in the past 7 days, I estimate that I've put in 30-40 hours of volume.

How much volume were you putting in per month? It seems mathematically absurd that someone who has been an 11bb/hr winner (which is about 40bb/100) over a 12 month sample size (which is about 60k hands if you played 40hrs per week) could then have 11 losing months the following year, playing the same strategy against the same opponents at the same EV.

My guess is that either:
1) You barely put any volume in. You played less than 10 hours per week, or:
2) Your strategy changed and you started playing significantly worse, or:
3) Your opponents got significantly better, or:
4) All of the above

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Originally Posted by Rutledge Smitty
Saddest part is that he thinks his current winrate is sustainable. Even if it was, he's still saving 0 money while on this stake. Seriously, get a part-time gig right now and start putting in 70 hours of work a week between the two. You cannot afford to have much work life balance until you dig yourself out of being on the brink of broke.
I'm probably running slightly above EV, but not by a huge amount. Had a lot of sh*tty sessions recently.

I'd rather online poker be my "part time gig" for the times when I'm not playing live poker.

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Originally Posted by CC96
Also OP has the short term attitude where when he is on an upswing he believes that he is crushing the games and plays recklessly. If he loses a few big pots due to this he comes out with that he is still up so much. This is a bad attitude to have at the poker table as these upswings now will help him through the breakeven and downswings which he will inevitably go through. I am guilty of this myself where after a few spewy pots I would tell myself 'At least I am still up' which just makes the downswings feel worse.

Playing poker for a living requires strong mental game and strong discipline with your spending which we know 6bet doesn't have.
What's wrong with zooming out of the graph and saying "the results of today don't matter that much; the results of the entire year are what matter"? If anything, I think it's a good thing that I can do that.

Well I've been disciplined for 100 hours so far, so let's see if we can do another 100 hours, then another 100. Baby steps.

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Originally Posted by mirage01
Then maybe she should find a better job where she can at least get paid minimum wage legally? This is Australia 2018, not Thailand.
She's been applying everywhere, but being on a student visa and only being able to work 20 hours per week is a huge deterrent to employers.

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Originally Posted by Limited1
If your English literacy is below average, it would be difficult in this day an age to find a 'proper' paying job. If you are on a visa there would also a restriction on the hours you can work. However for someone like 6bm with well above English literacy, he should have no problems finding an average office job.
Her English is pretty good. She could do receptionist work fine imo. It's mainly the work restrictions that are holding her back.

The best job I could probably get with no qualifications would be a sales job. And I'm too introverted to enjoy that. It would be a nightmare. I want a job which uses my brain, not my charisma. Cause clearly, going by how many haters I have in this thread, my charisma isn't my best skill.
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10-18-2018 , 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by TrueBlue420
Also, based on looking at his other posts, I still think this whole thread might still be a troll, as he shows clear difference in skill levels when posting in other threads rather than this thread, as if there are 2 diff ppl on acc or this is a troll. WP, u got us. If its real, good luck, you're gonna need it.
A few people have been saying this in this thread; that I'm somehow making more intelligent posts in other threads but stupid posts here?

I don't understand... I talk exactly the same type of strategy in the LLSNL forum as I do here, yet people seem to respect my strategy talk when I'm analysing other people's hands, but not when I'm analysing my own.
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10-18-2018 , 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
The best job I could probably get with no qualifications would be a sales job. And I'm too introverted to enjoy that. It would be a nightmare. I want a job which uses my brain, not my charisma. Cause clearly, going by how many haters I have in this thread, my charisma isn't my best skill.
Your tendency to ignore the experienced posters' advice in this thread and continue on with your normal bad habits is why you have so many haters.

Do successful people in high paying jobs:

- Learn from their experiences and constantly improve in their daily work
OR
- Continue to make the same mistakes that others have pointed out over and over again? (I would personally find it so annoying and disrespectful if I worked with somebody like this)

I guess this applies to the successful poker players too.
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