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10-10-2018 , 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by SimpleRick
Allow me to try to capture the spirit of the thread. 6betme is apparently enough of a winner that he's gotten a stake and been sunrunning in the last ~50 hours of play. Before going on stake he had a part time job delivering pizzas, a few thousand dollars and bought his girlfriend an $850 phone while people ITT lost their minds. He quit his job and lost money or broke even while continuing to have high living expenses including spending about $45 a day on KFC and playing lots of Runescape(whatever that is) and not much poker. I see a lot of myself in OP. I'm a 32 year old bum living in a van.
Hahaha brilliant. But to be fair, runescape is pretty good
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10-10-2018 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Any2Cards2008
Aim for $60 an hr playing 1/3 at crown

Lmao A+ troll
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10-10-2018 , 11:16 PM
Another losing session at 1/3 live

So I put in a session yesterday and lost $310. It was a mediocre table. There were a bunch of passive fish but none of them were really that spewy or overly loose, one guy that loved to make ridiculous overbets but was usually very value heavy, and also a couple of competent TAG regs, both of whom had position on me.

There actually weren't many interesting hands at all that popped up, despite it being a 5hr session. Most hands were just like: 3 people limp, I raise to $25 IP with a hand like T9s, get 4 callers, miss flop and give up. I was missing a lot of flops and most hands were multiway, so I barely got to see any turns or rivers.

I did get sucked out on one hand though. I didn't write up the full hand history, but it involved me opening JJ from EP, getting multiple callers, betting flop and jamming turn. Runout was 64278 and I lost to 55.

My last 4 sessions of the stake have been:
Lost $20
Lost $655
Lost $57
Lost $310
I guess this is just standard variance for 1/3 NL live though. Having a few breakeven to losing sessions isn't the end of the world.

Currently still $2913 up under DLuo's stake. Hopefully will get some more run good and softer tables in the next few sessions, like I did when I just started the stake.
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10-10-2018 , 11:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Another losing session at 1/3 live

I guess this is just standard variance for 1/3 NL live though. Having a few breakeven to losing sessions isn't the end of the world.
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You wouldn't have admitted this a few months ago.
Finally starting to recognize you're inexperience and starting to gain true perspective.
You are now slowly turning into a poker player.
I think?
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10-11-2018 , 12:03 AM
I took a trip down memory lane and decided to read some of my older posts. I can hardly even fathom how degenerate I used to be. For example:

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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Drunk at 5/5/10. Huge f**kup.

I don't like to post too many degen stories because there is a sense of shame. I already receive enough hate as it is, even when I'm sober and making fairly responsible decisions, so I don't need to fuel the fire by posting stories of me f**king up massively and making extremely irresponsible decisions.

I want to post this though for two reasons: firstly, to be completely transparent about my journey. To show the good and the bad, the responsible and the degeneracy. Secondly, to hold myself accountable for my own mistakes. As much as I want to just brush this under the rug and pretend the whole night never happened, I'll never get anywhere in life with that attitude. I need to be honest with myself and take steps to ensure that this never happens again. So here goes:

Yesterday, I was having drinks with mates from pretty much the moment I woke up and had breakfast and beers at the bar. I got fairly drunk and then had to leave them for a few hours. I went to the casino alone and started playing 2/5. The table was fairly nitty and I was craving action and disappointed that I wasn't getting it. At least my bluffs were getting through though and I was slightly up.

Then I saw the 5/5 NL game getting up. I jumped at the opportunity to sit down there and gamble at the high stakes. From what I noticed, there was one whale at the table who was about half as drunk as I was, and he was playing something like a 50/0 over the last 30 hands. He never raised a single hand preflop and he would do a tonne of limp-calling, even with hands like 64o. He also tended to donk bet whenever he flopped top pair and check every other time, although I learnt this the hard way after paying him off with 99 after he limp-called pre and donked 3 streets into me on a Q327Q board.

He was a nice guy though. He stacked me for a 2k pot when he limp-called with 64o then we stacked off on a 5423 board when I had AJo. Immediately after that, he apologised for the suckout and bought me a free drink (alcohol is damn expensive in Australia - something like $13 for a Jack and Coke). I then proceeded to spill that drink all over the table and over my clothes.

I actually only left $250 down at the 5/5/10. Even though I'd donated almost 2k to the whale, I won most of it back against the regs when I managed to hit hands at the right moments, like getting a J978x runout when I had TT and getting a 864Q7 runout when I had 55.

So then my mates come to the casino and we're having more beers at the poker room bar. We're just having a conversation and everything is good, but we decide we want to play some 1/2 together. We figured that the max buyin is only $100 and nothing can really go wrong. We'll mainly just be sitting there socialising and folding.

The problem is that they're not able to get us all on the same table at 1/2 NL, but they can do that for 1/3 PLO. We figure that we can each just buy in for the $100 minimum and fold most hands. One of my friends is dirt poor and I had to stake him $100 for 50% profits, so I figured that I'm only risking $200.

What do you know, one of my mates goes bust within 5 minutes and asks me to lend him $200. He transfers the cash straight away and everything is good. Then he busts again and again, playing like a maniac and 3betting about 50% of hands, and each time asks me to lend him another $100. Only this time, he says that he passed some transfer limit and it won't let him transfer anymore, so he says he'll have to transfer the rest tomorrow. He managed to accumulate a $700 debt to me that night and tbh I'm not sure I'll be getting that money back, which is why I've decided to add it to my own losses.

My other mate, who is being staked, drops a few minimum buyins too and I keep rebuying him another $100. I think I gave him $300 total. He was playing pretty snug though so I don't mind, like he x/folded KKxx on a Q95 flop when the SPR was 1 and it was multiway. It's fine to nit up and make these kind of folds if you want to reduce variance imo. He only stacked off preflop when he had either AAxx or a perfect rundown like T987.

Despite downing pint after pint of Carlton Draught, I actually think that I'm playing okay. I'm being somewhat disciplined preflop and generally putting my money in good. At one stage, I build up a $700 stack and my other mates are done with poker and ready to leave the table. I could leave at this stage, roughly 1k down, but I tell my mates to wait 2 more hands.

One hand I get something like AQJ5 double suited and throw in a 3bet squeeze. We get to the flop, I forget what it was but I had something like TPTK with a BDFD, so I went with my hand and lost about $350 there. Don't even know what my opponent showed up with.

But I do remember the second hand: I had AAxx and this annoying French guy who had previously stacked my mate was laughing and begging me to juice up the pot, so I naturally obliged. He calls a raise OOP with TT32r. The runout comes QT44x and I just pot pot pot get it in. Standard cooler.

On the way to the food court, we stop by a blackjack table and I punt off $200 there. I know basic strategy so this was just run bad. I was about to chuck down hundreds more but my mates stopped me. So we leave the blackjack table, get to the food court and witness a fight. A glass gets smashed and police get involved. I see a guy get punched in the face a few times and I almost wish I could take that punishment instead of the financial loss.

Then I realise I left my money in my casino account, so I tell my mates to wait at the food court whilst I withdraw some cash. My mates tell me sternly that I'm not to gamble and that if I'm not back in 5 mins then they're leaving. I agree to that and assure them that I won't gamble. I don't tell them this, but on the way back to the food court, I quickly play a few more hands of blackjack with substantially bigger bets this time, but leave about even when I realise that time is going fast and I need to be back at the food court before they walk off.

It's about 1am at this stage, we eat and I'm pretending that it was a great night and all, but secretly I'm only thinking about the money and the fear of not being paid back the $700. One of my mates trains it home and the other one walks me to my apartment. I had this tingling urge to return to the casino, but once I get into my apartment, I pass out drunk in the bed.

At 9am, I hear an alarm and wake up to my girlfriend laughing at how hungover I am. I try to calculate how much I lost last night but I'm not even sure. Somewhere around the 2k mark. Not a great start to a career as a professional poker player, but what can you do? Sh*t happens.
This wasn't even that long ago. Happened about 3 months ago.

In a way, I'm glad that I had experiences like this. They taught me how, when you're either drunk or tilted, you can sometimes play hands in such a way that feels fine at the time, but is actually far too loose, such as calling 3 streets with 99 on a QxxxQ board under the logic that "I can't fold to donk bets or else I'll be too exploitable".

They also taught me about how hanging around certain people sort of just pressures you to get drunk. I'm not saying my friends are to blame for this, but I have noticed that I've been drinking significantly less since I stopped hanging out with these 2 friends. It was virtually impossible for me to see either of these guys without us getting drunk together. That's just what we did.

DLuo has also taught me the value of being disciplined and putting in longer and more organised sessions, having a zero tolerance policy for alcohol on the poker table, and effectively just taking the grind seriously.

I think that if I was ever back in this position again, with 10k to my name, I wouldn't repeat these same mistakes.
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10-11-2018 , 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I took a trip down memory lane and decided to read some of my older posts. I can hardly even fathom how degenerate I used to be. For example:



This wasn't even that long ago. Happened about 3 months ago.

In a way, I'm glad that I had experiences like this. They taught me how, when you're either drunk or tilted, you can sometimes play hands in such a way that feels fine at the time, but is actually far too loose, such as calling 3 streets with 99 on a QxxxQ board under the logic that "I can't fold to donk bets or else I'll be too exploitable".

They also taught me about how hanging around certain people sort of just pressures you to get drunk. I'm not saying my friends are to blame for this, but I have noticed that I've been drinking significantly less since I stopped hanging out with these 2 friends. It was virtually impossible for me to see either of these guys without us getting drunk together. That's just what we did.

DLuo has also taught me the value of being disciplined and putting in longer and more organised sessions, having a zero tolerance policy for alcohol on the poker table, and effectively just taking the grind seriously.

I think that if I was ever back in this position again, with 10k to my name, I wouldn't repeat these same mistakes.
Is it just me, or is that story basically a thought process of a gambling addict? Not having a go or anything, gambling addiction is no laughing matter. GL to you
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10-11-2018 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerCrazy94
Is it just me, or is that story basically a thought process of a gambling addict? Not having a go or anything, gambling addiction is no laughing matter. GL to you
Yeah I basically was a gambling addict at one stage.
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10-11-2018 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
I took a trip down memory lane and decided to read some of my older posts. I can hardly even fathom how degenerate I used to be. For example:



This wasn't even that long ago. Happened about 3 months ago.

In a way, I'm glad that I had experiences like this. They taught me how, when you're either drunk or tilted, you can sometimes play hands in such a way that feels fine at the time, but is actually far too loose, such as calling 3 streets with 99 on a QxxxQ board under the logic that "I can't fold to donk bets or else I'll be too exploitable".

They also taught me about how hanging around certain people sort of just pressures you to get drunk. I'm not saying my friends are to blame for this, but I have noticed that I've been drinking significantly less since I stopped hanging out with these 2 friends. It was virtually impossible for me to see either of these guys without us getting drunk together. That's just what we did.

DLuo has also taught me the value of being disciplined and putting in longer and more organised sessions, having a zero tolerance policy for alcohol on the poker table, and effectively just taking the grind seriously.

I think that if I was ever back in this position again, with 10k to my name, I wouldn't repeat these same mistakes.
Clap clap. You’re growing. I hope the best for you. I’ve been on your threads for a long time, from Cardschat as well. A lot of things change in a few years, haha. I don’t want to be mean, but your life has kind of been going on a constant downward slope the past few years. You have a chance to turn it around. Use it. I wish I could play poker again, but I can’t for now haha. My hands are tied atm, maybe after I graduate lol. I’d be happy for you if you succeed and dont degen like you have been for however long.

If you ever want advice on Ignition in general, have HH questions, etc you can pm me. I did play many many hands there from 5NL-200NL. I’ve been wanting to come back for the past year but I can’t haha. I might mix live and online once I do come back hopefully within a year, 1.5 max
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10-11-2018 , 01:16 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Yeah I basically was a gambling addict at one stage.
What's changed since then?
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10-11-2018 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Yeah I basically was a gambling addict at one stage.
And just 3 months later, you aren't anymore?
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10-11-2018 , 01:50 AM
lul
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10-11-2018 , 02:08 AM
For the past 1 month, excluding pub poker and micro stakes home games, I haven't played anything other than 1/3 NL live and 25nl online. There hasn't been any jumping stakes at all. No roulette, blackjack or baccarat bets. No playing whilst drinking or intoxicated.

I really think I've got this figured out. Being disciplined is no longer an inconvenience to me; it's now becoming a habit. I no longer even have the desire to play other stakes. There's no temptation when I see a 5/10 table to jump on it. No temptation when I walk past a roulette table to play. No temptation when I log on Ignition to play a tournament, a SnG or any stakes except 25nl zone.

I think I'm really starting to change for the better.
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10-11-2018 , 02:31 AM
there are two parts of changing a bad habit

firstly actually starting the change and secondly actually maintaining the change

all you've done is the first part, the second part never ends

don't get complacent
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10-11-2018 , 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by baannii4
there are two parts of changing a bad habit

firstly actually starting the change and secondly actually maintaining the change

all you've done is the first part, the second part never ends

don't get complacent
You're right... and the third part is making sure that if something goes wrong and you break one of your rules, you don't use that as an excuse for "well I've already failed my challenge, so I might as well keep playing drunk 5/10 now".

I will do my best to stick to all 3 parts.
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10-11-2018 , 02:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
For the past 1 month, excluding pub poker and micro stakes home games, I haven't played anything other than 1/3 NL live and 25nl online. There hasn't been any jumping stakes at all. No roulette, blackjack or baccarat bets. No playing whilst drinking or intoxicated.

I really think I've got this figured out. Being disciplined is no longer an inconvenience to me; it's now becoming a habit. I no longer even have the desire to play other stakes. There's no temptation when I see a 5/10 table to jump on it. No temptation when I walk past a roulette table to play. No temptation when I log on Ignition to play a tournament, a SnG or any stakes except 25nl zone.

I think I'm really starting to change for the better.

Lets put this to the test, and see if your staker will allow you to visit a casino without minders constantly wiping your ass.
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10-11-2018 , 04:39 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Lets put this to the test, and see if your staker will allow you to visit a casino without minders constantly wiping your ass.
It's pretty standard for people that get staked to provide evidence of their buyin and cashout amounts. I don't see what the problem is.
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10-11-2018 , 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
It's pretty standard for people that get staked to provide evidence of their buyin and cashout amounts. I don't see what the problem is.
The purpose would be to see if you spaz out without a babysitter. It is really easy to not do something when you have no opportunity to do so. Fact is the moment you got a chance to play on your own money you started jamming KQo.
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10-11-2018 , 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
The purpose would be to see if you spaz out without a babysitter. It is really easy to not do something when you have no opportunity to do so. Fact is the moment you got a chance to play on your own money you started jamming KQo.
That's because I was 66bbs deep and it was a perfect squeeze spot against a maniac with a tonne of dead money in the pot and the perfect stack size for 3bet jamming.
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10-11-2018 , 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Kelvis
The purpose would be to see if you spaz out without a babysitter. It is really easy to not do something when you have no opportunity to do so. Fact is the moment you got a chance to play on your own money you started jamming KQo.
Lmao, Kelvis for president
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10-11-2018 , 07:31 AM
Hit my stop loss for the first time

Terrible session today. Lost $807. Had to go home early because I hit my stop loss for the day. What makes it even worse is that I was $350 up after the first hour. So I effectively lost almost 1.2k in the span of 2.5 hours. I took some high variance spots and literally every one of them blew up in my face.

It was annoying because I saw some really spazzy stuff go on. I saw an old man limp-reraise UTG to $60 and show up with 65s. I saw a drunk guy iso raise to $45 pre with A9o and the same guy also stacked off $200 pre against an old guy and they showed down KJo vs 55. An old woman raised to $20 UTG with 33 too. I just couldn't capitalise on any of this.

So here are 4 notable pots that I played:

Hand 1: Binked the perfect turn card

$300 effective
UTG limps $3
Volatile Asian guy limps $3 HJ
Hero limps $3 CO with 77
SB raises to $25
2 callers
Hero calls $25

Pretty annoying because I very rarely limp in preflop, but the one time I do it, someone wants to attack my limp.

Flop ($93, 4ways) is K53r

3 checks
Hero bets $40
SB folds
UTG folds
Volatile Asian guy calls $40

Turn ($168) is K537 with bdfd

Volatile Asian guy donks $100
Hero jams $235
Volatile Asian guy snap calls $235

Spoiler:
Volatile Asian guy shows 99 and we win.


A great start to the session. Hand 2 happened very shortly afterwards...


Hand 2: Preflop madness

$450 effective
Volatile Asian guy opens $10 UTG
Hero 3bets $35 UTG+1 with AKo
2 people cold call $35
Volatile Asian guy 4bets to $150
Hero 5bet jams $450 effective

Spoiler:
Volatile Asian guy snaps off $450 with KK and holds


Hand 3: More preflop madness

$270 effective
Drunk guy limps $3 UTG+2
MP raises to $11
HJ calls $11
Hero 3bets $45 CO with JJ
Drunk guy now 4bets to $120
Hero flats $120

I thought that he should be fairly AK heavy here, so I'll look for a flop with no Ace or King on it.

Flop ($251) is 976

Drunk guy announces all-in for $150 effective before flop is even dealt
Hero calls $150

Spoiler:
Drunk guy shows AA and holds


Hand 4: Short-handed aggression

$300 effective, 6-handed
UTG opens $15
Old woman calls $15 CO
Hero 3bets $70 SB with QJdd
UTG folds
Old woman calls $70

Flop ($143) is Ah Qh Td

Hero bets $50
Old woman calls $50

Turn ($243) is Ah Qh Td 9d

Hero jams $180

Spoiler:
Old woman calls $180 with AKo and holds


Well I'm just going to watch some YouTube or netflix, maybe play some online chess, and sleep it off. I'm putting in another session tomorrow night so hopefully my luck changes then.

Currently still $2106 profit for the stake, which is more than $30/hr profit despite the recent losses, so I can't complain.
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10-11-2018 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by KatoKrazy
Lmao A+ troll
Haha didnt mean for it to be a troll actually....that is below my own hourly and I play same games as 6betme and also play vs him at times
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10-11-2018 , 07:53 AM
Well, the heater is definitely finished. The variance is catching up to you now, and you will without doubt continue to go on huge swings in the future (even bigger than normal) due to your very high variance playing style.
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10-11-2018 , 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Any2Cards2008
Haha didnt mean for it to be a troll actually....that is below my own hourly and I play same games as 6betme and also play vs him at times
Hmm I'm curious who you are. Do you play primarily 1/3 NL at Crown?

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Well, the heater is definitely finished. The variance is catching up to you now, and you will without doubt continue to go on huge swings in the future (even bigger than normal) due to your very high variance playing style.
I don't mind the swings, just as long as I'm maximising my EV.

DLuo reckons that some of my plays, such as 3betting QJs and ATs against early position raises, are not only high variance, but also -EV. So I'm going to experiment playing a more passive style and 3betting less at LLSNL. I'll save this aggression for 6max online.
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10-11-2018 , 08:23 AM
Yes i play primarily 1/3nl and also 1/3plo crown...depends on the gameflow during the session. My career has mainly been online however. You seem competant enough to crush. Keep smashing the btn ...dnt underestimate your opponents...dont overvalue your own ability until proven...fuvk off small stakes online....and understand what you want from poker now vs 5 years from now...it took me 6 years to realise $? Fame? Skills? Think about that for a moment
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10-11-2018 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Any2Cards2008
You seem competent enough to crush.
lel
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