Wtf don't you noobs get? It's about punishing limpers and feeling like a winner. The actual results don't matter.

I'm so sick of you results oriented nerds.

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This does not sound right. If villain thinks your range is too face up - i.e. only strong hands, then you can start to 3b bluff and exploit villain's UTG opening range. Definitely should have a 3b range vs UTG. Generally vs CO and BTN open you want to 3b wider.

Yes you could do that or maybe try join a study group with other players in your pool. Try get some hand histories from them and then using your database tracker - whether that be PT4 or HM2 - start to filter for different spots and see what they are doing. For example you could look at BB vs UTG 3b. IF 3b Frequency is really low then you do not defend as wide vs these 3bets.


Fortunately on Ignition you can download hands and see what players had. I.e. if you play if enough you can start to get accurate ranges for the population and use these for your sims.

Do you know any live regs at all that make $300+/hr purely from live play? Yes, the percentage of online crushers out there making those sorts of extreme win rates are quite low, but at least those people exist. The ceiling is high enough to allow it to be possible. You can find 2000nl games running 24/7 online. This just isn't the case live.

Besides, if you think that live poker is so much better than online poker, then why don't you play that instead? Everyone in this thread is telling me don't play online and I'm trying to come up with reasons why I should play online, especially with a short bankroll that can no longer handle a big downswing at 1/3 NL or 2/5 NL live.

Of course the edge in bb/100 is going to be smaller live than online, but at the same time, you'll make a much higher hourly win rate online relative to your bankroll, if you're sufficiently skilled. The most you could earn playing 1/3 live is about $30/hr, but I can guarantee that there are a lot of 200nl online regs making a lot more than $30/hr.

Plus online is just better for practice. You'll grow and improve much faster seeing 500 hands per hour compared to 30 hands per hour, and you can experiment with different strategies with almost meaningless amounts of money. You don't want to be testing out new strategies that might not work at 5/10 live.

A winning player will never drop 3k playing 50nl online, but they could drop 3k playing 1/3 NL live. Variance is worse in absolute dollar value live than it is online. I'll take a 40 buyin downswing at 50nl over a 10 buyin downswing at 2/5 live.

I put in 150k hands back in the day through a mix of 2nl, 5nl and 10nl on Stars. The worst downswing I ever had was about 15 buyins, and I'm almost certain that tilt/bad play contributed to that. I know what variance feels like and I know how tilt and spewy plays extend how long a downswing lasts.

Why do you think your win rate isn't as high as it was 1-3 years ago?

guys plz let 6bet play online.







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If you were a 1-3 crusher you would be just fine with a 4k BR. You lack the discipline and awareness to stick to and adjust to the live table, and your need for action and fancy play ego won't allow you to get there.

Online may be the best route for you, but live players target the "good" players like you, because you've bought our girls many iphones.

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I'm only up about $400 in the past 6 weeks. Pretty much all the money I won at 1/3 NL and 2/5 NL at the casino was lost at 1/3 PLO and reggy home games. Plus I punted almost 1k away at blackjack.

At the time of quitting my job, I only had about 8-9k, since I'd recently lost about 2-3k during my last week of work playing high stakes games like 5/5/10 NL. So I've only actually dropped about 5k. Of that money, 1k went to blackjack, and $800 went to the Sydney trip. The rest went to life expenses.

Oh really?


Honestly, this whole thread reads like this one from more than a decade ago as OP seems to rationalize many of his plays like this guy did:

Also look at it from the positive side; online is just much better to quickly torch money. You get a lot more hands to make fancy plays and it that doesn't work you can just instantly jump stakes to scratch the gambling itch.

How did you filter that? Did you ask the computer the probability of a downswing if we play online poker for 100+ years and our win rate is 0.1bb/100 with high variance?

It also says that there's a 1% chance that you'll go on a 75 buyin downswing. Lol.

And don't try to compare me to someone who flats a 5x raise OOP with 65o. I'm not even remotely comparable to him.

http://www.pokerdope.com/poker-variance-calculator/
Not sure what you find unbelievable about the possibility of a 75BI downswing. Sure, the percentage is low and the chances are most people won't experience it, but nevertheless there is always a possibility that it can happen.

Edit: As you can see from my previous post, the simulations were run for 5bb/100 WR and 100bb/100 SD, not for 0.1bb/100 of whatever. This shows that even if you are a pretty solid player, you can still experience long periods of breaking even or losing and one's true WR does not generally converge as quickly as you seem to assume it does.

Somebody link "the abyss" for this fellow... His understanding of variance is painful to read...

This $300/hr figure you keep throwing around, where's your proof for this? I'm guessing you don't have any, it's just a figure you heard from a friend of a friend who supposedly crushes the games.

When people quote hourlies like this, it can be separated into 2 cases:

A) people who hit huge heaters and disappear off the poker scene after 1-2 years because variance eventually evened out. Do you ever wonder why huge crushers don't stay around for long? Because they never were crushers - variance just made it appear like they were.

B) people who play for <10 hours a month when a huge whale turns up

Bonomo is probably averaging more than $20k an hour. Maybe OP should focus on live tournaments, specifically high rollers. Obviously that's where the highest attainable win rates are.

some crusher just gets tired of playing poker at some point too and want to do something else, unrelated to their results at the tables, back in 2010-2011 i took almost 2 years off to play starcraft 2 because I wanted to even though I was still "crushing"

poker is just a card game and when you play everyday for years you may want a break from it

The $300/hr figure comes from someone who's a 10bb/100 winner at 500nlz.

I guess that's true Xenoblade, that doing anything for too long would get repetitive and draining after a while. And that's more reason for me to want to mix things up between live and online, PLO and NLHE, cash and tournies, casino and home games, Melbourne and travelling to other cities.

You really dont get it do you?

The point is that in your situation you dont have the luxury of being worried about what will drain you in the long run. You are like two bad 2/5 sessions or couple of drunk/tilt/spewy 1/3 sessions away from being basically busto and unable to play anything.

All you can afford to focus on in your situation is to grind huge volume in the soft livegames to build your roll to a much more comfortable place. You got to earn the luxury of designing your own day and the proper right of being worried about what will get boring or energy draining in the future.

Get out there, work your ass off with grinding huge volume at 1/3 NL live for the next 6 months or so, get your roll up to 20K+ ,then you can come back in here and talk.

As it is right now you are just coming across as the most premium example of a spoiled millenium case that think he is entitled to everything without making an effort to achieve it.

haha, reading someones ignorant thoughts on variance who has barely played any hands of poker is hilarious.

The hardest part about being a poker pro is learning just how cruel the universe can truly be. Luckily for OP hell never have to worry about it.

I once paid $5K for a hotdog, so story checks out.

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Quitting live poker for a while

Just lost $1200 today. $600 at 5/10 NL and $600 at 1/3 PLO. It's not even worth me going over the hands. I didn't spew. They were just coolers.

Liferoll is around $2500 now with another $1100 in my online poker account. My plan now is to deposit another $1000 into my online poker account and grind 50NL online. Then that leaves me with $500 for the Sydney trip next week and $1000 as a liferoll.

Pretty sh*t that it came down to this. Couldn't even last 2 months as a live pro. I feel like a marathon runner that spent 2 years training for an event, only to compete and break his ankle in the first 1km and then have to forfeit the race.

Well f**k it. It is what it is. Variance didn't go my way and, whilst I'm still 10k up for the year at live poker, I just couldn't keep up with life expenses.

I know it sounds irresponsible to waste $500 on a Sydney trip when I'm this close to busto, but if what people in this thread say is true, then I'm going to go busto anyway, so I might as well at least take a shred of happpiness and good memories out of it, so that it wasn't all for nothing.

I had contemplated whether I wanted to just take one big high variance punt at 10/20 NL live with what little I have left. Maybe variance goes my way this one last time, and maybe I walk away with a roll that will allow me to continue grinding 1/3 NL and 2/5 NL. But I ultimately decided that I'm not going to give in this easily. I'm going to take the online route and battle my way through. It's not going to be easy, but life is never easy. I'll do my best.

I'm not going to set any specific goals. I'm not going to expect anything to come out of this. I'm just going to grind and study and grind some more. And whatever happens happens. If I bust then I look for a new job. No big deal. Whatever happens happens.

"Continuing" to grind 1/3 NL?

ETA: OP, if all you actually did was grind 1/3 NL live, you might do ok. But that's not remotely close to what you actually ended up doing. You didn't really fail at what you were attempting to do: you failed at actually doing what you were going to attempt.

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I'd say you're more like the guy that entered into a marathon thinking it'd be a 100m sprint.

stopped here and laughed for about 5 minutes. back to finish what I assume will be another 5 star post

more like an out of shape MAWG entering a 5k after jogging at the gym one time and passing out before reaching the first water station.

You should feel like some dude that told everyone he was going to run a marathon, got 2 kms into the race and then decided to be a sprinter instead and then decided to stop and look at the pretty birdies, then decided to go to the fish and chip shop and gorge yourself on pies, and then puked and fell over at the 3 kms mark, and then gave up, and then complained that variance stopped you winning.

Yeah if only someone had given you the advice to have a part time job and cut your absurd living expenses...oh wait about 100 posters told you exactly that. I guess you blowing them off is 'variance' as well.

OP, I don't understand how you are so close to bust already, if you are so confident you crush the games for a high hourly.

those are kiddie games. op is way too good to waste time at 1/3 when there's people making $300/hr online

I for one think you've made a great decision turning to the online route after failing at live poker. wish you the best of luck (also can you pm me when you play? would ask for a schedule but I know you won't need one)