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05-13-2018 , 06:48 PM
I like the going for thin value logic, followed immediately by an almost 2x bet shove OOP giving V no chance to bluff

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05-13-2018 , 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
It's certainly not a standard play, I'll give you that. But here's the thing: the only straight draws people can really have on an A665 board is exactly 87 or else gutshots. Do they really call $21 preflop with 43 or 74?

I'm actually not giving gutshots the correct implied odds to draw out on me, even when I bet as tiny as $25 into an $80 pot with a $245 stack behind, since I'm leaving myself room to bet/fold literally any river card except an Ace or a Six.

But what I am doing is giving gutshots the illusion that it's a bet worth calling, when they would otherwise fold to a more standard turn bet. I'm also allowing sticky pocket pairs and sticky 5x hands the chance to call a bet when they would otherwise fold.

Now imagine I make a "standard" bet of $65 here and get 1 caller. On the river, there'll be $210 in the pot with $180 behind, so I'm basically forced to jam $180 with AT, which is super thin.

If I had AJ/AQ/AK then I'd happily size up on the turn, but hands like A8/A9/AT are going for very thin value and mainly looking to get called by weaker pairs like 5x and pockets, as opposed to getting stacks in against a weaker Ax hand, which is overly optimistic.

At the bare minimum, even if my play wasn't optimal, it's certainly not as bad as you guys seem to think it is. You're just not used to seeing creative bet sizes like this because you've been taught that every bet needs to be between 50% and 90% pot and that any bet outside that range must be fishy and stupid.
Why are you forced to jam the river with AT? Just check and pick off the bluff.
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05-13-2018 , 08:02 PM
If villain wanted to bluff then she'd have done so on the flop. She's never bluffing river if I check to her.
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05-13-2018 , 08:32 PM
Its starting to frighten me a little how accurate OPs future can be predicted. Literally everything I thought would happen 1 month ago has happened.

All jokes aside, OP has a 95% RoR before the end of this year.
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05-13-2018 , 08:34 PM
The small bets sound like standard "range bets" on a relatively dry board. Larger sizings manipulate villains' ranges to stronger holdings when that's exactly what you don't want in these situations.
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05-13-2018 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
If villain wanted to bluff then she'd have done so on the flop. She's never bluffing river if I check to her.
There are no absolutes in poker. There is always a chance your opponent will do something unexpected.



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05-13-2018 , 09:02 PM
Just came here to say that Spirit123 is spitting fire re women. Having gone down the rathole, everything he's saying resonates and IMO you should definitely take his advice 6bet me. Yes, there are many women out there who don't fit the profile he describes. Yes, it's a generalising paradigm - but that's not the point. It's a heuristic which accurately sums a good majority of the population. Following his advice is not just about getting laid. It's a life-improving mindset which scales towards ultimate independence and inner strength.

Poker analogy is having a pool read at LLSNL that you should probably overfold the river. Sometimes you'll get shown a LAGgy river bluff, but that doesn't completely invalidate the population read. Whilst it is 100% sexist to degrade or objectify women, it's not sexist to make behavioural assertions about a substantial subset of women based off statistical and experiential findings. Psychologists/neurologists/criminologists (etc, ad infinitum) model human behaviour all the time. No, these models are not 100% accurate. But to deny the truth value of empirical heuristics so as to not conflict with our pseudo-egalitarian sensibilities is deluded at best, deceptive at worst.
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05-13-2018 , 09:08 PM
Less women are gold digging whores and more op degening at 5/10 please
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05-13-2018 , 09:15 PM
Bought girlfriend new phone

Today I bought an iPhone 7+ for my girlfriend which cost $850. It would've cost $1550 for an iPhone X or $1250 for a Samsung S9, but I took some advice from people in this thread and decided to buy a slightly cheaper smartphone, so as to not completely destroy my bankroll.

Still got $6700 in my bankroll, which is 22 buyins at 1/3 or 13 buyins at 2/5. Should be pretty easy to continue building this up from here. I plan to play a session today before work and probably keep going ahead with the daytime grind this week.
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05-13-2018 , 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 6bet me
Bought girlfriend new phone

Today I bought an iPhone 7+ for my girlfriend which cost $850. It would've cost $1550 for an iPhone X or $1250 for a Samsung S9, but I took some advice from people in this thread and decided to buy a slightly cheaper smartphone, so as to not completely destroy my bankroll.

Still got $6700 in my bankroll, which is 22 buyins at 1/3 or 13 buyins at 2/5. Should be pretty easy to continue building this up from here. I plan to play a session today before work and probably keep going ahead with the daytime grind this week.
You did not take advice from people in this thread. You spent 4-10x what some people advised. Pussy-whipped and insecure. I’ve seen it in and continue to see it in many men. I was completely pussy-whipped during my first relationship. For months on end, I barely thought about anything else. I see literally the same exact thinking and behaviors of my teenage self in OP. A senior in high school, at age 17, I was paying for my gf’s first semester in college. I was a complete idiot.

How old is your gf? Why didn’t she buy herself a phone? You’re 24 and can barely take care of yourself financially and then you go and spend more 12% of your LIFEROLL on a phone for your gf. This is how sick a lot of our western culture is. We’re taught the wrong priorities.

Like others ITT have said, this thread is an incredibly rich study of human psychology and delusion and karma. From many aspects, both in OP and in other posters ITT.

I feel like many people are trying to rescue OP from disaster, but the person in danger is so young and inexperienced that he has to be humbled through personal suffering. This is an amazing example of how nothing anybody else says in this thread is going to be able to change OP’s mind as much as wed like. It’s already hard enough to change ourselves let alone other people.

I think a lot of us have gone through periods in our lives where we’ve experienced freakishly similar things OP has. It’s like we see our younger self in OP and we want to prevent him from getting hurt and we are all projecting our own attitudes onto our inner child onto OP.

Good luck op. Really, you’ll probably learn more from the next couple months than you have in your whole life. Hopefully you can look back at this thread and laugh one day without too much regret. I imagine it’ll take a while.

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05-13-2018 , 10:26 PM
OP does your gf actually know how broke you really are, or does she think your a poker baller? A responsible gf would have told you not to spend that much on a phone if your that broke.
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05-13-2018 , 10:47 PM
I'm actually going to defend the OP here a bit. Shock, horror.

His gf is allowing him to degen at the casino all hours of the day and night which must be pretty disruptive to her. Buying her a decent phone is actually a good move imo. At least it shows her that all those hours in the casino can result in something tangible and nice.
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05-13-2018 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by spirit123
....I was completely pussy-whipped during my first relationship. For months on end, I barely thought about anything else. I see literally the same exact thinking and behaviors of my teenage self in OP. A senior in high school, at age 17, I was paying for my gf’s first semester in college. I was a complete idiot.
Sad story.

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05-13-2018 , 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
I'm actually going to defend the OP here a bit. Shock, horror.

His gf is allowing him to degen at the casino all hours of the day and night which must be pretty disruptive to her. Buying her a decent phone is actually a good move imo. At least it shows her that all those hours in the casino can result in something tangible and nice.
She gets free housing, free expensive meals, free top of the line cell phones, probably a bunch of free other stuff, and now she’s the one tolerating it?

She’s allowing it? A man has to be allowed by a young girl on whom he spends hundreds a week to do what’s necessary to pay rent and climb out of poverty?

This comment is the pristine example of how deeply rooted our social conditioning to “please” women is. If you have to prove anything to a woman, you’re already in her frame, trying to gain approval from her. Most men are blind to how feminized they are. They don’t realize how much of a slave to women they’ve become.
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05-13-2018 , 11:00 PM
Free housing? In a crummy flat with a bunch of other people. And free expensive meals. You mean free pizza.

Edit to add: You obviously aren't married dude. And you think you know it all. Boy you've got a lot to learn.
Aren't you the guy who lives with his mum or did up until fairly recently?

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05-13-2018 , 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by spirit123
She gets free housing, free expensive meals, free top of the line cell phones, probably a bunch of free other stuff, and now she’s the one tolerating it?

She’s allowing it? A man has to be allowed by a young girl on whom he spends hundreds a week to do what’s necessary to pay rent and climb out of poverty?

This comment is the pristine example of how deeply rooted our social conditioning to “please” women is. If you have to prove anything to a woman, you’re already in her frame, trying to gain approval from her. Most men are blind to how feminized they are. They don’t realize how much of a slave to women they’ve become.
Are you going to keep derailing this thread into perpetuity? Give it a rest. Nobody GAF.
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05-13-2018 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Buying her a decent phone is actually a good move imo. At least it shows her that all those hours in the casino can result in something tangible and nice.

But this under the false premise that he has a baller poker bank roll and could afford it.
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05-13-2018 , 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Phil Me Up
Sad story.

Oh, I don’t see it as sad at all. I’m glad I learned in my teens when I thought a thousand was a lot of money rather than later on in life with more on the line. I’m happy I entered the deepest depression I’ve ever experienced for years on and off after that relationships. The deeper the valleys, the more joyous the peaks.

It startled me onto a path of continual awakening to the reality of sexual relationships between man and woman. Tasting that bitter pill early in life and learning to see relationships from a rational rather than completely emotional point of view has led to more success with the opposite sex than I could have ever imagined.

If a man has not consistently approached the most attractive girls and been successful some of the time, he has no ideas the games women are capable of playing. And anybody who thinks or says young attractive women (and most of the relatively attractive older women) don’t want to be sexual objects is so utterly wrong. Watch what they do, not what they say. Do the most attractive women not compete to be the chosen object of a sports stars or Leo DiCaprio or Brad Pitt or billionaires with private jets?

They just don’t care to be the personalized sexual objects of desperate guys. This thirstiness from men is a given for them so it doesn’t even register on their radars. Men with many choices and who seemingly attract all the women are the objects of desire for most women. Preselection. The more women a man sleeps with or is seemingly able to sleep with, the more attractive he becomes to ALL women.

Men are objectified just as much as women are. It’s just so taken for granted (read: poker pros/crypto gods/venture capitalists/tech experts/business moguls/ceos/athletes/celebrities) it doesn’t register on our radars. In fact men want to be objectified. Objectification is fame or notoriety. Being well-known gets you laid. It means you stood out from the crowd.

If you have any insight into conversations women have among each other, you’d know they perceive most men as housewives perceive their kitchen appliances. It’s the man who doesn’t let himself become a tool that is a mystery to be solved and a challenge to be overcome. Women swoon for him.

Just because society teaches you to be ashamed of your sexuality and make you feel guilty about objectifying hot women and thinking sexual thoughts about every hot woman you come across, and conditions you to put all that drive into the corporate/financial realm where you become the tool of powerful men, used for the benefit of and raped by the men who control the economic system, doesn’t mean you can’t wake up out of the matrix you can’t see beyond now, and realize that the natural biological propensity for virile men is simply to spread their seed as wide as possible. If you see something wrong in polygamy, you’ve been taught something that benefits society but not you.

Like the Tao says,

When a superior man hears of the Tao,
he immediately begins to embody it.
When an average man hears of the Tao,
he half believes it, half doubts it.
When a foolish man hears of the Tao,
he laughs out loud.
If he didn’t laugh,
it wouldn’t be the Tao.
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05-14-2018 , 12:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Phil Me Up
Are you going to keep derailing this thread into perpetuity? Give it a rest. Nobody GAF.
Oh, I like typing it thoughts. It’s fun. Your ideas are challenged and you don’t have any substance to defend your positions so you want to shut the conversation down, when clearly ops relationship with his gf is the cause/effect of so much of his misguided perceptions and actions. He works to please his girlfriend. Nothing inherently wrong with it, and it’s his life and he can and will do whatever he wants with it, but to deny the fact is to be blind.

It’s not the hand histories and the cards that are always the most interesting thing in this forum. It’s the private lives of people who live this lifestyle that are the great study. Their thoughts and how they perceive money and relationships with their parents and their significant others. Reading between the lines and seeing patterns to the types of people who become obsessed with this crazy game we play.
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05-14-2018 , 12:12 AM
When its all over at least someone got a new phone out of it.
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05-14-2018 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
But this under the false premise that he has a baller poker bank roll and could afford it.
Well yeah, but it's all going to blow out soon anyway. Either that or he goes on another heater that makes him think he is invincible, and the blow out is delayed.

Might as well enjoy the fruits while he can.
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05-14-2018 , 12:14 AM
Spirit123 nobody cares about the prostitute you paid for when you were 16/17, stop derailing thread.

Spoiler:
Start your own women hating thread if you must
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05-14-2018 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Free housing? In a crummy flat with a bunch of other people. And free expensive meals. You mean free pizza.

Edit to add: You obviously aren't married dude. And you think you know it all. Boy you've got a lot to learn.
Aren't you the guy who lives with his mum or did up until fairly recently?
Nope not married and happy to be single for as long as possible. Would never submit to a woman like you must. Most men can’t imagine what a lifetime of freedom must be so they enslave themselves instead because it’s more bearable and socially accceptable to be the best workhorse than a soaring eagle.

I spent less than two months with my mom after being out of the country for a year, having been in video contact maybe half a dozen times during that time.

I cherish the opportunity to spend time with my mother and being fed delicious home cooked food made with unconditional love and feeling the mom-son bond. Even though I do need to get out after a while, it’s something I’ll never regret.

Quality time with mom was something I didn’t appreciate in my teens and most of my 20s. Only in the us is spending time with parents who sacrificed the prime of their lives for us shamed. What a backward culture we live in.
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05-14-2018 , 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by spirit123
Oh, I like typing it thoughts. It’s fun. Your ideas are challenged and you don’t have any substance to defend your positions so you want to shut the conversation down, when clearly ops relationship with his gf is the cause/effect of so much of his misguided perceptions and actions. He basically works to the lead his girlfriend.

Can’t you see? It’s not the hand histories and the cards that are always the most interesting thing in this forum. It’s the private lives of people who live this lifestyle that is the great study. Their thoughts and how they perceive money and relationships with their parents and their significant others. Reading between the lines and seeing patterns to the type of people who become obsessed with this crash game we play.
Yeah....

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05-14-2018 , 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by spirit123
Nope not married and happy to be single for as long as possible. Would never submit to a woman like you must. Most men can’t imagine what a lifetime of freedom must be so they enslave themselves instead because it’s more bearable and socially accceptable to be the best workhorse than a soaring eagle.

I spent less than two months with my mom after being out of the country for a year, having been in video contact maybe half a dozen times during that time.

I cherish the opportunity to spend time with my mother and being fed delicious home cooked food made with unconditional love and feeling the mom-son bond. Even though I do need to get out after a while, it’s something I’ll never regret.

Quality time with mom was something I didn’t appreciate in my teens and most of my 20s. Only in the us is spending time with parents who sacrificed the prime of their lives for us shamed. What a backward culture we live in.
But according to you your mom is a horrible human being who only was with your dad because she wanted to use him for his money. Why would you want to spend time with someone like that?
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