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Old 08-29-2011, 11:15 AM   #201
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You have to bet $80 here no matter what your reads are. If AJ called your c/r then it'll call the river. Any 10 calls. Missed fd's don't call any bets. But one of them almost always has a hand. Missing alot of value here imo.
was gonna post something similar /\/\/\ - If villain is calling $50 in this spot then he is 100% calling the other $30 imo of course. So apart from some missed value on the river I think you played the hand great.

How you finding Vegas? Look forward to hearing all your thoughts on it

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Old 08-30-2011, 03:10 AM   #202
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I played 8 hrs today and won $202. I played at Mirage, Bally's, Bellagio, and Planet Hollywood. I am still in the zone and not making any major mistakes. I am finding really good tables. It feels a little like online when I had many options as far as table selection. Back at the Oaks I only have 3 or 4 tables to choose from.

Played this hand at Bellagio-

I'm in the HJ with 1010 I raise to 12 over 2 limps. 1 lp caller and the 2 limpers come along. 200 effective stacks.

Flop- 8 6 5

Checks to me I bet 30 into 44, two folds and an ep villain calls.

Turn- 6

Checks to me I bet 60 into 104. The way villain called this bet I read them to have a strong hand perhaps a slowplayed overpair or some kind of fh.

River- 3

Checked to me, I felt that there were a lot of hands ahead of me so I elect to check it back. Villain tables 99. So my read was right it just happened to be the one overpair I beat. Did I miss a standard value bet?


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Old 08-30-2011, 03:21 AM   #203
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Did I miss a standard value bet?

Yes AINEC. With a pot of $224 on the river, villan has $98 left after putting half his stack in already. Stick it in!!! He will also be getting over 3:1.

He will check back many worse hands; but only bet (shoving) hands that beat you most the time. Unless hes a habitual bluffer, but if hes a nit he won't bluff much.

So, either bet yourself or check fold.
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Old 08-30-2011, 03:53 AM   #204
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Yes AINEC. With a pot of $224 on the river, villan has $98 left after putting half his stack in already. Stick it in!!! He will also be getting over 3:1.

He will check back many worse hands; but only bet (shoving) hands that beat you most the time. Unless hes a habitual bluffer, but if hes a nit he won't bluff much.

So, either bet yourself or check fold.
Well there aren't too many hands that will call on the river that I beat; an 8 or 99 might call but might not. I can't beat any other overpairs, I can't beat a fh or even a 6. I didn't want to get trapped. I think it is kind of a close decision, the villain had only played 3 hands before this one so I was flying in the dark.
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Old 08-30-2011, 04:29 AM   #205
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Well there aren't too many hands that will call on the river that I beat; an 8 or 99 might call but might not. I can't beat any other overpairs, I can't beat a fh or even a 6. I didn't want to get trapped. I think it is kind of a close decision, the villain had only played 3 hands before this one so I was flying in the dark.
Good argument, but i feel like this analogy is results oriented and wrong, i could be wrong though but am confident i'm not. Maybe someone else can chime in?
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Old 08-30-2011, 05:20 AM   #206
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Well there aren't too many hands that will call on the river that I beat; an 8 or 99 might call but might not. I can't beat any other overpairs, I can't beat a fh or even a 6. I didn't want to get trapped. I think it is kind of a close decision, the villain had only played 3 hands before this one so I was flying in the dark.
I think I often check back on boards like this, however I also think that it is one of my big leaks. Most overpairs should have raised you pf, or gotten it in before now. A full house will almost be shoving into you on the river. You can get value out of hands like 87, 97, 77, 99, 44 and a variety of 8x hands. Getting 3 to 1 he will probably call with any of these. I think more often than not he is folding worse or calling with worse, only rarely is he going to have JJ, QQ, a 6 or a full house.
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:04 AM   #207
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I think I often check back on boards like this, however I also think that it is one of my big leaks. Most overpairs should have raised you pf, or gotten it in before now. A full house will almost be shoving into you on the river. You can get value out of hands like 87, 97, 77, 99, 44 and a variety of 8x hands. Getting 3 to 1 he will probably call with any of these. I think more often than not he is folding worse or calling with worse, only rarely is he going to have JJ, QQ, a 6 or a full house.
Thanks for your input. Though, I don't know if 44 is calling a shove and I'm not beating 97. I think I could have come to a more confident decision If I had played more with this villain to determine how strong their c/c range is on the flop and turn. If I had a read the the player is looser I would snap ship it. As it played out I took the conservative line with the lack of info.
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:43 AM   #208
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I'm just not sure how villain doesn't c/r that flop with 99. I assume he has 8x with the flop and turn c/c.
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:11 PM   #209
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I suck at poker to take this advise as it is. I probably would have checked back on the river and expected to see JJ or QQ or something.
But when you think about it what is he repping when he checks.
AA, KK, QQ, JJ would all raise the flop. Probably wouldn't have limped.
So the only hand that is beating you is a 6...
H could easily have a hand like 89 or 8T which you beat.
I think beating something like 50 would induce a call. I doubt a 6 checks the turn and the river....
You have the best hand but is he going to call with 99 or 89...
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:18 PM   #210
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Old 08-30-2011, 10:41 PM   #211
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GL OP you seem to be doing well and can keep your head up when dealing with variance. Will be following.
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Old 08-31-2011, 02:43 AM   #212
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I played 8 hrs today and won $202.

Played this hand at Bellagio-

I'm in the HJ with 1010 I raise to 12 over 2 limps. 1 lp caller and the 2 limpers come along. 200 effective stacks.

Flop- 8 6 5

Checks to me I bet 30 into 44, two folds and an ep villain calls.

Turn- 6

Checks to me I bet 60 into 104. The way villain called this bet I read them to have a strong hand perhaps a slowplayed overpair or some kind of fh.

River- 3

Checked to me, I felt that there were a lot of hands ahead of me so I elect to check it back. Villain tables 99. So my read was right it just happened to be the one overpair I beat. Did I miss a standard value bet?

I strongly disagree that this is a spot your "losing" value in. I really like this line especially against unknown low stakes live player with no Reads and Preflop action of Limp/Calling. I have just seen too many villians slowplay monsters here or have draws that don't pay you. His Range on the river are hands you beat that don't / cannot call that last $100 off (( not all his Top Pair hands are calling a river bet here, he isn't calling with any of his non straight 7x hands that can C/C twice)) 99 is pretty much the only thing that probably gives you value near 100% of the time. I don't think 87 is calling often enough on the brick river but all his Monster's that are using this line are just taking your last $100 if you bet here. Unknown + Limp/Call + Read that he seems strong makes this seem to me like an easy River Check back spot
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Old 08-31-2011, 03:40 AM   #213
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I played 9.5 hrs today and won $12. I played at The Rio, Aria, Tropicana, and MGM. I was treading water the whole day, jumping tables a lot trying to find a good game. I didn't get involved in any big or interesting pots. At one point I folded every hand for 4 rounds zzzzz.

I am back at my room relaxing drinking a beer and smoking a bowl, writing this and just enjoying Vegas.

I did have a pretty good steak and some shrimp for breakfast at Terribles.



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I'm just not sure how villain doesn't c/r that flop with 99. I assume he has 8x with the flop and turn c/c.
Yes 8x fits well.

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I suck at poker to take this advise as it is. I probably would have checked back on the river and expected to see JJ or QQ or something.
But when you think about it what is he repping when he checks.
AA, KK, QQ, JJ would all raise the flop. Probably wouldn't have limped.
So the only hand that is beating you is a 6...
H could easily have a hand like 89 or 8T which you beat.
I think beating something like 50 would induce a call. I doubt a 6 checks the turn and the river....
You have the best hand but is he going to call with 99 or 89...
The first thing I thought after showdown was man I missed some value

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GL OP you seem to be doing well and can keep your head up when dealing with variance. Will be following.
I am definitely glad I ran good at the beginning of my challenge to get where I am today.

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Old 08-31-2011, 06:21 AM   #214
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Been following your thread, nice run! I hope you make it. I have some advice though: do not leave the bay area! The games are some of the softest around. And if you want to move up, 2/3/5 at Bay 101 in San Jose = soft as hell. As someone who has been around, I consider the Bay Area one of the best places to live and play. Florida has soft games but the weather is awful, New Jersey is a ****hole, Midwest blows, LA has too much traffic/scum, Vegas is too hot and has too many distractions. That leaves SD county and Bay Area.....Can't go wrong with either. Just my 2 cents.
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Old 08-31-2011, 08:21 AM   #215
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Thanks for your input. Though, I don't know if 44 is calling a shove and I'm not beating 97. I think I could have come to a more confident decision If I had played more with this villain to determine how strong their c/c range is on the flop and turn. If I had a read the the player is looser I would snap ship it. As it played out I took the conservative line with the lack of info.
woops on the 97
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Old 08-31-2011, 09:13 AM   #216
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Good Luck OP !
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Old 08-31-2011, 02:10 PM   #217
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Id check river back with TT there fwiw
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Old 08-31-2011, 02:58 PM   #218
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Id check river back with TT there fwiw
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i just really think it is the optimal play...there are too few hands that can pay you off for value

hands beating you > hands you beat = check on river IMO (this is of course assuming they call the river shove)
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Old 09-01-2011, 05:51 AM   #219
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I played 9.5 hrs today and won $251. So I finished off my second best month of the year profit wise making almost 2k. I managed to put in 100 hrs which is alright but I think I could and should being playing a little more.

My target for September is going to be 120 hrs played. I think this is a very reasonable goal and should not be a problem.

Today I played at the Hard Rock, Bellagio, The V, and Wynn. I wasn't making very many hands but managed to stab at flops when villains missed and took down the small pots.

Here is a hand played at the Hard Rock 1/3, It's not a trouble spot I thought I would change it up and share a hand where I feel I played well-

I pick up 88 in lp and make it 16 over 2 limps, both limpers call. Effective stacks 225.

Flop- Q85
Villain 1 was loose and would bet any peice of a flop, he checked so I figured him for nothing. Villain 2 had been playing straight forward and bet 20 into 48 I put him on a Q and not a fd so I call. My standard play is to raise here on the 2 flush board but since I am very confident neither opponent has a fd, I call.

Turn- J

Villain checks, I bet 40 into 88. He thinks for a second then calls.

River- 2

Villain checks and I bet 100 into 168. Villlain tank calls, I show my hand he mucks.

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Been following your thread, nice run! I hope you make it. I have some advice though: do not leave the bay area! The games are some of the softest around. And if you want to move up, 2/3/5 at Bay 101 in San Jose = soft as hell. As someone who has been around, I consider the Bay Area one of the best places to live and play. Florida has soft games but the weather is awful, New Jersey is a ****hole, Midwest blows, LA has too much traffic/scum, Vegas is too hot and has too many distractions. That leaves SD county and Bay Area.....Can't go wrong with either. Just my 2 cents.
Thanks for the advice. I've still never played at Bay 101 or Lucky Chances, I hear they have good games.

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Old 09-01-2011, 06:19 PM   #220
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you should be putting in more hours unless you are winning bigger. is $2K a month really enough to live on? i mean, it's great and it beats losing, but that's $24K a year. ugh.

treat this like a full-time job. you should be going to work, five 8-hour days at least. the great thing is, you can play 12 hours one day if you're feeling great and at a great table, then leave after 4 hours the next day, etc.

i work a full-time job and put in more than 100 hours in august.
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Old 09-01-2011, 09:03 PM   #221
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you should be putting in more hours unless you are winning bigger. is $2K a month really enough to live on? i mean, it's great and it beats losing, but that's $24K a year. ugh.

treat this like a full-time job. you should be going to work, five 8-hour days at least. the great thing is, you can play 12 hours one day if you're feeling great and at a great table, then leave after 4 hours the next day, etc.

i work a full-time job and put in more than 100 hours in august.
I know I need to be putting more volume in. One thing that is holding me back is the 3 hr travel time per session which makes for long days. As soon as I can afford it I will move closer to the Oaks and get a used car which should cut down on that issue.

24k per year is more than I was making in my previous 3 jobs, so I can't complain. I plan to gradually improve and refine my game and move up to where I have more earning potential.
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Old 09-01-2011, 11:34 PM   #222
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Been following your thread, nice run! I hope you make it. I have some advice though: do not leave the bay area! The games are some of the softest around. And if you want to move up, 2/3/5 at Bay 101 in San Jose = soft as hell. As someone who has been around, I consider the Bay Area one of the best places to live and play. Florida has soft games but the weather is awful, New Jersey is a ****hole, Midwest blows, LA has too much traffic/scum, Vegas is too hot and has too many distractions. That leaves SD county and Bay Area.....Can't go wrong with either. Just my 2 cents.
I totally agree with you, after doing some test runs in Vegas it seems the games there are only a little softer than the Bay Area. It's nice to play in Vegas because of the environment and for the experience, but I don't think it's worth it to move there permenantly. Maybe you can move there for a short while to experience the lifestyle but that's alot of expenses you have to deal with. The Bay Area have some of the best weather in the US (what I learn from geography class ). As for the three bay area rooms, I think Oaks is the best with their 1-2 structure and low rake, bay 101 has 1-2-2 and $5 rake which I don't like but still good games, Lucky Chance I have bad experiences there where regs cheat and use angles and the dealers don't care about it (worst place I played in the whole US & Canada). 24k a year no tax is plenty if you live with your parents and enjoy what you doing. Some people want to live and play in the bay but the living expenses are just too high for them. I love living with my parents before and playing poker, as long as they let you gamble and do what ever you want . After following this thread for a while, OP I think you can beat any 1-2 games in the bay easily, so you shouldn't leave the Bay until the money dries up here .
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Old 09-02-2011, 01:57 AM   #223
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great thread op. was in vegas around the same time this past weekend but i don't think you took any of my money. GL!
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Old 09-02-2011, 02:24 PM   #224
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Hey, what about Tunica MS?
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