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10-30-2011 , 05:26 AM
I played 3 hrs today and won $50. Played a short session after checking out a couple rooms for rent. Still getting killed by turns and rivers but it what it is. I have to remind myself when running bad- poker doesn't seem fair but it is fair. Probabilty is absolutely impartial. Variance just camoflauges the skilled players and lets the weak players enjoy the occasional win which is obviously neccessary or the poker economy would collapse.

I found a nice room that is a 15 walk from the Oaks. I'll be moving in on the 1st.

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Originally Posted by the_quiet_assassin
With the J6 hand, you bet too big on the flop and the turn and got stuck to call the AI on the turn. You could have bet a little smaller on the flop like $10 and alot smaller on the turn like $25 to control the pot size. As played you had no choice but to call on the turn. You could just c/c each streak, which is what I would have done. That's why i hate to play in the SB and BB. I almost never ever call in the SB just to complete pre if there is no raise bc I see no point in paying another $1 or another $3 in a 2/5 game just to see the flop. I realize this J6 hand you were in the BB so you had no choice but to call pre. I actually like it when people raise my blinds so I can just fold and stay out of trouble, or alternatively make a play and 3-bet to take it down. hihihh

As for the TT hand, you made the right play but got the wrong result. However, IMO in small stakes poker, reading your opponent is way way over-rated. IMO, what's more important is bet sizing, not physical tells. Villain could easily have JJ, QQ or a dry 8 with that big bet on the flop. You obviously made the right play by 3-betting on the flop. I play my hand closer to the vest so I would have probably folded here and wait for a better spot. But that's just me.
On the J6 hand I was thinking about the previous session when I didn't lay a bad enough price for villlains to draw. On the flop I am confident I have the best hand so I bet pot and still got 3 callers. On the turn I wanted to charge the draws the max so I bet pot again, didn't really have any reason to believe the 3 changed anything.

Now when I get c/r by the tight player I am obviously feeling sick and know I am behind most of the time. It was a gross spot, if I had 76 I could muck it but I only need about 25% equity to jam.

In the 1010 hand, there is no chance villain on my right is limping along with JJ+, there is only a tiny chance sb smooth called with JJ or QQ and would always 3bet KK+ I've play with him before. I don't give too much weight to tells either unless I am undecided with all other info. I always take into account bet sizing and cadence. I have found some tells to be highly reliable though.

I didn't 3bet the flop it was the first raise. Both villains were spewing chips in the preceding hands and my hand is certainly strong enough to accept some donations.

Thanks for you thoughts.

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Originally Posted by grancojones
I don't quite understand the math around the savings here if he's betting smaller. As played, he stuck $90 into the pot (flop+turn), rather than if, as you say, $40 (f+t) would be a $50 savings, but how does that make him less pot committed? Also, with $75 on the turn, betting 1/3, or $25, would give villain 4:1 for a turn call; good odds?

As for villain's call on the flop, and the raise on the turn, 99 was my first guess for him. You flopped "trips", not a "set", a big difference, and this is always worse. If he had 99, however, he's already flopped a Boat.

It sounds like your gut was telling you that you were beat (based on your knowledge of this foe). The gut is often correct, imo.
Definitely borderline/ gross spot. Folding wouldn't be terrible. I kind of wonder if villain is coming along if he doesn't hit the 3.

I need to play 2 more full days to close out the month and hit 100, lets do it.

October 2011

Total hours played- 85.5
Pace- 94
Average hourly winrate- $7
Winnings- $607

2011 YTD

Total hours played- 747.5
Average hourly winrate- $13
Winnings- $9382
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10-30-2011 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by grancojones
I don't quite understand the math around the savings here if he's betting smaller. As played, he stuck $90 into the pot (flop+turn), rather than if, as you say, $40 (f+t) would be a $50 savings, but how does that make him less pot committed? Also, with $75 on the turn, betting 1/3, or $25, would give villain 4:1 for a turn call; good odds?
OP obviously didn't flop the stone cold in this hand and he was playing out of position in the BB. I think by betting a smaller amount (a feeler bet) you can achieve the same goal to see where you're at in the hand since you're playing out of position.

If OP bets $10 on the flop and got 3 callers. On the turn when SB checks, if OP is inclined to bet again, I would make it $25 just to see where I am at, depending on how much SB raises here (on the turn), you can conceivably get away from the hand.

I misread the hand a little since OP was going up against SB. On the turn when SB check, I would be inclined to check as well since OP bet pot size and got 3 callers on the flop. If OP checks on the turn and the other villains check behind, on the river, OP obviously is not folding if SB leads out a decent size value bet.

In any event, when I don't flop the stone cold out of position, I generally try to keep the pot as small as possible. As you said, OP didn't flop a set; instead he flopped trips and there are a million hands that beat OP in this spot.
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10-31-2011 , 02:11 AM
Anywhere that's a 10 minute walk from the oaks is not a walk you want to take at night. Make sure to take the free shuttle if you're playing late. If you're that close, they'll definitely give take you home.

Also fwiw, I stil think you could win a lot more by loosening up your game...
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10-31-2011 , 02:57 PM
I played 6 hrs today and lost $187. Mostly an uneventful session had a few hands where I couldn't dodge the turn and river.

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Originally Posted by buckminster1
Anywhere that's a 10 minute walk from the oaks is not a walk you want to take at night. Make sure to take the free shuttle if you're playing late. If you're that close, they'll definitely give take you home.

Also fwiw, I stil think you could win a lot more by loosening up your game...
I'll check out the free shuttle for sure. I'll have plenty of time this month to work on my game. Like you said I need to add a few % to my vpip.

October 2011

Total hours played- 91.5
Pace- 94
Average hourly winrate- $5
Winnings- $420

2011 YTD

Total hours played- 753.5
Average hourly winrate- $12
Winnings- $9195
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10-31-2011 , 10:43 PM
Pure, have you moved to Vegas already?
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11-01-2011 , 06:43 PM
I played 9 hrs today and lost $198. I hit 100 hrs this month which is good, but I'm running like **** and am not winning showdowns. I really can't complain about running bad because I still had a little winnings to show for my effort and it was as bad as July. I'll take 222 profit and be happy with it.

In November instead of trying to catch up to pace I am going to stay ahead of pace for once. Going to shoot for 160 hrs as usual and I won't be adjusting my target downward as I have in past months.

I am moving today and should be back on the grind tomorrow.

Graph for October



Graph for 2011



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Originally Posted by grancojones
Pure, have you moved to Vegas already?
I'm going to be living in Oakland for a few months, still planning to move out to Vegas in April.

October 2011

Total hours played- 100
Pace- 100
Average hourly winrate- $2
Winnings- $222

2011 YTD

Total hours played- 762.5
Average hourly winrate- $12
Winnings- $8997
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11-02-2011 , 03:40 AM
Hey man,

Sucks to the month down. I would seriously consider playing fewer hours. When you put in a 9 hour session, are you really playing your A game the whole time? I sure dont. It only takes 30 minutes of bad play to erase 10 hours of solid work. How does the length of your sessions effect your results?

Welcome to the neighborhood!
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11-02-2011 , 04:26 AM
Are you still paying yourself the 5$/hr?
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11-02-2011 , 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by buckminster1
Hey man,

Sucks to the month down. I would seriously consider playing fewer hours. When you put in a 9 hour session, are you really playing your A game the whole time? I sure dont. It only takes 30 minutes of bad play to erase 10 hours of solid work. How does the length of your sessions effect your results?

Welcome to the neighborhood!
Have you read the whole thread? He needs to play more, not less.
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11-02-2011 , 05:24 PM
OP, dont listen to the strategic advice of TQA. GL in November
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11-03-2011 , 01:36 AM
I played 7.5 hrs today and won $15. I'm typing this up on my phone because the internet here won't be turned on until tomorrow. I won a couple big pots but for the last 3 hrs my stack just melted away.

It was nice to not have to travel very far to play. I also got in a little study time at the book store.

November 2011

Total hours played- 7.5
Pace- 11
Average hourly winrate- $2
Winnings- $15

2011 YTD

Total hours played- 770
Average hourly winrate- $12
Winnings- $9013
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11-03-2011 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by buckminster1
Hey man,

Sucks to the month down. I would seriously consider playing fewer hours. When you put in a 9 hour session, are you really playing your A game the whole time? I sure dont. It only takes 30 minutes of bad play to erase 10 hours of solid work. How does the length of your sessions effect your results?

Welcome to the neighborhood!
I think my recently poor results are due mostly to standard run bad. I feel I am playing pretty well and making few mistakes and only small ones. I do think it is a little harder to play my best game in the last few hrs as I do in the first few hrs. I am trying take breaks ever couple hrs unless the table too juicy to miss an opportunity. Now that time constraints concerning transportation are not an issue I may try putting in a couple separate 4 hr sessions on a given day.

Thank you! I like it here already.
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11-03-2011 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DSqUaReD44
Are you still paying yourself the 5$/hr?
I kind of disregarded that system. I have been diligently keeping track of my spending with an app on my phone. My expenses have been around 1k a month. The last couple months my bankroll has been shrinking. I made a few hundred last month dealing black jack to some friends which was makes up a little bit of the slack that my poker playing couldn't cover.
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11-03-2011 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gimmetheloot
OP, dont listen to the strategic advice of TQA. GL in November
Ty, same to you.
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11-03-2011 , 02:31 AM
What are some of your favorite poker books to read?

How much are you tipping per pot?

btw GL at live, keep it up.
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11-03-2011 , 02:52 AM
My favorite authors are Harrington, Caro, Sklansky, and Miller. I have skimmed through almost every single poker book a couple different stores. My rule for tipping has been $1 per pot over 50. If my downswing continues I may consider cutting it out all together.
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11-03-2011 , 03:18 AM
I bet you get flack for not tipping in pots under $50, if a pot is 20-30 and someone doesnt give the dealer a $1 people will comment about it at my tables.
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11-03-2011 , 03:21 AM
The dealers can make you and break you. I've seen dealers take extra care of those who tip really well, even to the point of intentionally misreading a non-tipper's hand. Be careful.
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11-04-2011 , 03:21 AM
I played 8 hrs today and won $151. I did take a few sick beats in big pots but still managed to eek out my best session since I got back from Vegas.

November 2011

Total hours played- 15.5
Pace- 16
Average hourly winrate- $11
Winnings- $166

2011 YTD

Total hours played- 778
Average hourly winrate- $12
Winnings- $9164
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11-04-2011 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by grancojones
The dealers can make you and break you. I've seen dealers take extra care of those who tip really well, even to the point of intentionally misreading a non-tipper's hand. Be careful.
Whilst this may be true - if I decided not to tip and a dealer intentionally misread my hand it would be the dealer who would need to be careful if they valued their job.
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11-04-2011 , 02:00 PM
As far as tipping goes, I appreciate the dealers hard work and I give what I can. I also make their job as easy as possible by keeping the action moving and placing my blinds and bets where they are easy to reach. But last month I probably tipped about 33% of my pay check which seems a little foolish. Covering rent and food is more important to me then seeking approval from anyone in the card room.
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11-06-2011 , 03:11 AM
I played 8 hrs today and lost $131. I played a couple hands poorly, one where I was too passive and one where I was too aggressive. It has been a very slow start this month I am going to try and pick things up by staying focused and putting in the hours.

It looks like I am slightly behind pace so I need to keep playing some full days to pass it up and stay ahead for the rest of the month.

November 2011

Total hours played- 23.5
Pace- 27
Average hourly winrate- $1
Winnings- $35

2011 YTD

Total hours played- 786
Average hourly winrate- $11
Winnings- $9032
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11-07-2011 , 05:40 AM
I played 10 hrs today and lost $202. I was ice cold and couldn't make any hands. With the cards I was dealt, only dropping a buy in was probably about the best I could have done.

I have internet in my room now so I don't have to update from my phone.

Here is one hand I played-

I pick up 1010 and open to 10 over 1 limp. I get 4 calls. Effective stacks 200.

Flop- 644
Seems like a pretty good flop for my hand I bet 35 into 47 and get 1 lp caller.

Turn- 7
Not thrilled with my hand but I still bet out 50 into 117 and he calls pretty quickly.

River- 5
Terrible card putting a 4 card straight and 3 flush. I still can't beat any 4 or over pair. I check and he says "that is a sign of weakness" and he bets 75. I actually tanked for awhile even though this should be a relatively easy fold. It was just hard because that was the best spot I got all day. I don't think he could be bluffing here so I fold.

I am ahead of pace which is good even though I'm in the red for the month.

November 2011

Total hours played- 33.5
Pace- 32
Average hourly winrate- $5
Winnings- $167

2011 YTD

Total hours played- 796
Average hourly winrate- $11
Winnings- $8830
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11-07-2011 , 02:44 PM
Nice thread, wish you the best with everything and hope you will reach your goals,
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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
Here is one hand I played-

I pick up 1010 and open to 10 over 1 limp. I get 4 calls. Effective stacks 200.

Flop- 644
Seems like a pretty good flop for my hand I bet 35 into 47 and get 1 lp caller.

Turn- 7
Not thrilled with my hand but I still bet out 50 into 117 and he calls pretty quickly.

River- 5
Terrible card putting a 4 card straight and 3 flush. I still can't beat any 4 or over pair. I check and he says "that is a sign of weakness" and he bets 75. I actually tanked for awhile even though this should be a relatively easy fold. It was just hard because that was the best spot I got all day. I don't think he could be bluffing here so I fold.
Indeed, no bluff here, V's minispeach imply he wants you to call IMO
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11-07-2011 , 09:01 PM
Hey PA,

Looks like you're been running kind of cold the last few sessions. You might want to take a break, take a day or two off and clear your mind. Go running, go take a long walk around a nice park. Go treat yourself to a nice dinner. Go do anything but play poker. Just get away from it for a day or two.

When I have 2 losing sessions, I take a day or two off to clear my mind!!!!
Sometimes you just need a break to re-group.

Good luck!!!
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