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10-23-2016 , 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Kiljusieppo

Thanks for constructive feedback Elsa I follow yourpcGs too! <3 Hope you all run well and lets keep this thread friendly and objective.
Not too friendly when you keep overbetting every river vs me hahha.
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10-24-2016 , 04:40 AM
Starting to get my **** together, took complete day off yesterday I was with my girl and realized how much other good stuff there is out of poker and felt getting back to right track and positive mental attitude.

Today I did some database analysis and analyzed close to two hours an 3-bet spot hand as a scenario using pokersnowie and equilab. I also evaluated if I should buy runiotonce and found there should be like 6 theory videos I want to watch (mainly Tyler Forrester) so I will buy it at some point. I also bought CardRunnersEv today but haven't got my license to it yet. I'll start learning how to work with the software. Even I've been running 2.5k under EV this month most of my volume has been realy B-C game volume I have to admit. I also have a pretty big casher syndrome which I want to get rid off. It's surely -EV especcially while losing.

Booked appartment till 1st nov. will move on wednsday and have been sending emails of 6 months rental period appartments. One of them looked very good for me and I hope that I will get it.

I also deposit 1k to play party to play nl100 (got hunger to play after studying) and I think I'll consider moving my volume to party tbh..

To conclude my plans:

1) Get healthy
2) Get appartment
3) Start follow the daily schedule I made today (includes doing sport after lunch between pokersessions and evaluating hands & studying 2h a day). 1 day off a week
4) Put next months volume in at party and decide whether to move there
5) Keep things organized, trust myself, stay out of drinking it kills desire
6) learn to use CRev
7) keep volume low untill I get healthy & focus more on study + appartment than playing. (think max 1,5k quality hands) / 2-3h grind

Last edited by Kiljusieppo; 10-24-2016 at 04:58 AM.
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11-04-2016 , 04:24 AM
Things started to look better again. I moved to new appartment, bought monitor to be able to put also volume in regular tables (costed only 150d) I think I sell it to 2nd hand shop when I leave Manila. Graphic quality is kinda bad though but doesnt matter so much.

I started to work out again and also have been cooking by myself for a few days its much better than eating out all the time. Crev seems kind of more complicated to use and understand than what I thought it would be. I need to watch some more videos about it.

H1)

Vs. the squeeze 88 we can call. Snowie says the flop is a fold w/o bdfd. I think its just not very price sensitive and we should be calling. What about the turn since we improve in terms of equity but he also bets it big. Actually here I think its waste of money to call once and fold to turn bet. Im not sure, vs 50% turn bet I would call this hand but vs. 2/3p fold. Maybe this is also not logical / relevant approach cause his bsize should not change the range he bets here alot.

I feel often that Im just clicking buttons on 3-b pots with the low pairs especcially 22-66 I should probably fold vs. reasonable sizings especcially OOP.

    Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37481012

    SB: $100 (100 bb)
    BB: $114.55 (114.6 bb)
    Hero (UTG): $105.10 (105.1 bb)
    MP: $102.62 (102.6 bb)
    CO: $126.97 (127 bb)
    BTN: $111.02 (111 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8 8
    Hero raises to $2.24, 2 folds, BTN raises to $8.22, 2 folds, Hero calls $5.98

    Flop: ($17.94) 7 J 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $6.12, Hero calls $6.12

    Turn: ($30.18) 5 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $22.06, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $30.18 pot ($1.51 rake)
    Final Board: 7 J 4 5
    Hero mucked 8 8 and lost (-$14.34 net)
    BTN mucked and won $28.67 ($14.33 net)



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    H2)

    I kind of think most populations are somewhat not happy 3-barrel bluffing this a lot. Nl200 regular table players is a population I have the lowest reads but think nl100 & 200 zoom playerpools dont bluff enough on the river especcialy with this sizing. Vs. agro reg / reads I would call but think as default Im leaning towards folding


      Party, $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37481013

      CO: $299.70 (149.9 bb)
      MP1: $208.50 (104.3 bb)
      MP3: $200 (100 bb)
      UTG+2: $56.70 (28.4 bb)
      BTN: $200 (100 bb)
      Hero (BB): $306.55 (153.3 bb)
      SB: $207.80 (103.9 bb)
      MP2: $429.40 (214.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 7 A
      5 folds, BTN raises to $5, SB folds, Hero calls $3

      Flop: ($11) 3 6 A (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $8, Hero calls $8

      Turn: ($27) J (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $18, Hero calls $18

      River: ($63) 4 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BTN bets $48, Hero folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $63 pot ($3 rake)
      Final Board: 3 6 A J 4
      BTN mucked and won $60 ($29 net)
      Hero mucked 7 A and lost (-$31 net)



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      H3)

      Vs. unknown guy on cake network.. Changes are higher there that the guy is fish which makes the river a better shove in itself. We are not so afraid of the few set combos (6+1 quads) + few 76s flushes he will not have much at all. It may end up being too thin if he is up for folding Tx but Im not sure. Usually thin vbetting is not that bad as making bluffs that dont work often enough

        Cake Poker, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37481015

        CO: $53.10 (106.2 bb)
        BTN: $176.90 (353.8 bb)
        SB: $104.35 (208.7 bb)
        BB: $56.98 (114 bb)
        UTG: $73.95 (147.9 bb)
        Hero (MP): $54.67 (109.3 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP with J J
        UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.50, CO calls $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, 2 folds

        Flop: ($5.25) T 8 6 (3 players)
        Hero bets $3.50, CO calls $3.50, BTN calls $3.50

        Turn: ($15.75) 6 (3 players)
        Hero bets $11, CO calls $11, BTN folds

        River: ($37.75) 5 (2 players)
        Hero bets $38.67 and is all-in, CO calls $37.10 and is all-in

        Spoiler:
        Results: $111.95 pot ($4.00 rake)
        Final Board: T 8 6 6 5
        CO showed 9 8 :: :: and won $107.95 ($54.85 net)
        Hero showed J J and lost (-$53.10 net)



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        11-04-2016 , 09:56 AM
        Subbed, glgl!
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        11-06-2016 , 12:41 AM
        1 hand allright, 3 hand too thin, if it was 2 way spot seems better, even fish understand if you bet in 3 people it is strong.
        And 2 hand- You have to call, there is too much bluffing going on

        Haha, new apartment pure gold?
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        11-06-2016 , 12:49 AM
        disagree with above poster, 88 turn is a call with the gutter, a pretty easy one at that, A7 is a fine fold obviously, bottom we should be calling is probably 2 pairs, maybe sometimes Ax with a club in our hand

        agree with him about JJ being too thin although I believe you should be doing a lot of checking on this flop OOP and if not then check turn at least
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        11-06-2016 , 01:09 AM
        Second hand joking - hero should know what I meant
        It is not terrible to fold 88, of course pio would never fold, but 5c is not turn where villian go crazy betting
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        11-06-2016 , 06:41 PM
        about the 88 hand. don't know if hero has a plan pre.
        calling the 3b looks good pre. but if check/calling is all that you do on the flop every time.
        then you have some leaks.
        have you tried check/raising some flops or donklead to see how villain reacts?
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        11-06-2016 , 06:55 PM
        if you defend every time with A7 like that, then its better to fold pre.
        even against a fish. he will 2-3barrel you & you will fold & lose money.
        how about using a mixed defense strategy?
        how about using your hud & see how much he is cbetting otf. that way you will know how much he is bluffing?
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        11-06-2016 , 07:07 PM
        the JJ hand. what are you putting villain on otf?
        why would villain call on the turn if he has complete air?
        if villain is a donk & he had 97o,88 otf. wouldn't he still beat you & call??
        river completes many things. bad shove imo
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        11-06-2016 , 07:59 PM
        Can't tell if LongshotPsi's posts are just trolls lol...
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        11-06-2016 , 08:32 PM
        Definitely trolling...
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        11-06-2016 , 08:34 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Zefa
        Can't tell if LongshotPsi's posts are just trolls lol...
        why you say that? i'm serious. its's almost like he's playing like a old predictable standard tag.
        I used to play like that. don't mean anything bad. but he is posting hands & he wants to improve.
        was just giving my opinion

        Last edited by LongshotPsi; 11-06-2016 at 08:52 PM.
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        11-06-2016 , 09:18 PM
        I love when people talk about the games they have no idea how they run. The JJ against average Cake fish are not even thin. Although I would probably cbet flop like 4.5 so the pot on the Turn would be like 18 would bet 15 there so would have like 30$ left on the R with pot being around 48$.

        The A7 hand this is something I would check in PIO if I were you mostly because The Turn call with your hand is already super thin and you can easily fold. The EV is super marginally +EV and you will be in a ton of terrible River spot. So unless you have a Villain that cbets like 70/70/30 IP this is not worth to bother tbh. Especially vs 2/3 pot cbet.

        BTW I too live in Thailand just in a more remote area I believe we do play at least some hands vs each other (Party and Cake mostly ). Have a blog too just on a different forum(LOL Soviet 2+2).Can PM you if you are interested because don't want to post a link here. Same if you are interested about my nicknames.
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        11-06-2016 , 09:25 PM
        New appartment is actually pure gold I have a shopping mall inside the building and gym + pool I dont have to go anywhere if I dont want to.

        Yeah A7 call occasionally with a club on the river otherwise easy fold.

        88 marginal on the turn.

        JJ I dont mind at all jamming river at cake..

        .. Sure KptBomba feel free to pm. have interest.
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        11-06-2016 , 09:32 PM
        And longshotPsi a few points: a) we can rarely put anyone on anything specific on some flop b) why would he have complete air on turn? C) the river on the JJ doesnt complete so much compared to potential worse stuff he is about to call down eventually D) A7 is never a fold pre in this situation unless villain opens less than a round 12% about checking HUD nobody decent has so exploitative cbetting leak we could make some determinations about whats correct postflop. E) donk leading flops to see how someone reacts and generally making plays to see reactions is what losing players do.
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        11-06-2016 , 10:30 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Kiljusieppo
        New appartment is actually pure gold I have a shopping mall inside the building and gym + pool I dont have to go anywhere if I dont want to.
        I will address it because I saw you mentioning before you have allergy problems. This is something I didn't so people addressing before for some reason.

        This is a very big problem and long term risk of living in Thailand. I mean the heat is most of the time incredible so you don't go out spending time in your room and taking taxi/MRT/BTS when going somewhere. This is the way Thais live do (no one walks more like 50-100m due to the sun and heat). It is just pure AIDS to live like that.
        Personally because of living like that I was sick all the time, I never had allergy in my life yet I got allergy on dogs(while having the dog during my childhood/teenager years). This is all because you don't go out and slowly destroy your autoimmune system. This is as unhealthy as it gets.
        Nowadays to be more or less healthy I go out every day( for me it is going to the lake and walking on the shore for at least 30min or so). There are quite a few nice parks in Bangkok If I were you I would plan to go at least 3-4 times per week 1hour or so there just to not to stay indoor all the time because It will kills your health otherwise (as it did for me).
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        11-06-2016 , 10:43 PM
        feels like you are just talking about Vitamin D
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        11-06-2016 , 10:56 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by KptBomba
        I will address it because I saw you mentioning before you have allergy problems. This is something I didn't so people addressing before for some reason.

        This is a very big problem and long term risk of living in Thailand. I mean the heat is most of the time incredible so you don't go out spending time in your room and taking taxi/MRT/BTS when going somewhere. This is the way Thais live do (no one walks more like 50-100m due to the sun and heat). It is just pure AIDS to live like that.
        Personally because of living like that I was sick all the time, I never had allergy in my life yet I got allergy on dogs(while having the dog during my childhood/teenager years). This is all because you don't go out and slowly destroy your autoimmune system. This is as unhealthy as it gets.
        Nowadays to be more or less healthy I go out every day( for me it is going to the lake and walking on the shore for at least 30min or so). There are quite a few nice parks in Bangkok If I were you I would plan to go at least 3-4 times per week 1hour or so there just to not to stay indoor all the time because It will kills your health otherwise (as it did for me).
        Yes you are right about that, Im living in Manila which is even worse than BKK in terms lack of nature, but I eat healthy, exercise keep my appartment clean nowadays and stay sober. Thats pretty much all I can do about it and also considering moving out at some point, will see.
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        11-07-2016 , 03:40 AM
        not attacking anyone. players just think different.
        from a discussion we all learn something.
        keep up the good work
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        11-07-2016 , 04:42 AM
        Its allright and thanks!

        I bought run it once and Im going to do also more lab work with spots Im not completely sure about + post here more hands.

        I removed all result tabs from HEM I will do my best not to check results often and concentrate on studying and grinding whatever happens. Im not feeling very good about my game because of how Ive been doing lately but its hard to find out how well Im actually playing and whether Im improving or not. With betsizing I moved back using 1/2 and 2/3 at most spots the 1/3 betsize is something I dont fully copy with (ofc. I understand its good for the one who has much stronger range on certain textures to put villain to a spot he has problem defending his range) but in practis I think its loosing value in quite a bit of spots. I can be wrong but it started to confuse me and sometimes I wasnt sure by myself what I was doing with my sizings.

        There is plenty of things I want to work on and get better but I should not be too hard to myself as long Im sober Im not lazy with poker and results are something I can not control and variance can be huge. So I should not be mad or dissapointed after having losing periods or when things dont just go my way. Keeping emotions and poker results separeted is difficult but something I need to work on to get better both in life and in poker. I think playing bad (tilting) and playing too high stakes are things that lead to going broke usually for a pokerplayer not losing bankroll on livingcosts.

        H1)

        River shove = ? He will fold 88-QQ with one spade (12combos) and call us down fullhouses and flushes straights and AKw spade which are a round 20 combos. My bluff needs to work over 33% of the time to be BE. It will work around 37.5% if the math is correct. Time to time he will make folds w. one spade middlepairs on turn so I should be more towards giving up this on the river and shoving A Qx type combos as bluff cause of better blocker to his flushes.

          Party, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37484888

          CO: $192.42 (192.4 bb)
          UTG: $210.92 (210.9 bb)
          BB: $316.72 (316.7 bb)
          SB: $100 (100 bb)
          MP: $100 (100 bb)
          Hero (BTN): $124.76 (124.8 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BTN with J A
          UTG raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $8.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $5.50

          Flop: ($18.50) 5 7 6 (2 players)
          UTG checks, Hero bets $8.79, UTG calls $8.79

          Turn: ($36.08) K (2 players)
          UTG checks, Hero bets $25.71, UTG calls $25.71

          River: ($87.50) 5 (2 players)
          UTG checks, Hero bets $81.76 and is all-in, UTG calls $81.76

          Spoiler:
          Results: $251.02 pot ($3.00 rake)
          Final Board: 5 7 6 K 5
          UTG showed Q A and won $248.02 ($123.26 net)
          Hero mucked J A and lost (-$124.76 net)



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          H2)

          Preflop against reasonable 3betting ranges I estimate to have around 35-38% equity with the 45s and we are slightly deeper so I called but I think it should be a fold OOP cause we are only about to realize maybe 70-80% of its equity playing OOP or even that. Calling pre is too loose.

          Turn his small bet can be nutty ofc. but this seems to be too weak to call so I chose to turn it to a bluff. If we get called we have some outs + think he folds AK combos which have decent equity agenst me and if the guy is a fish and he bets turn depolarized he may find folds with stuff like AT. Though raising this makes it quite tough to play rivers cause he will call with stuff like KJ and might bluff rivers .

            Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37484891

            BTN: $166.95 (167 bb)
            SB: $89.53 (89.5 bb)
            BB: $100 (100 bb)
            UTG: $288.85 (288.9 bb)
            Hero (MP): $137.85 (137.9 bb)
            CO: $114.16 (114.2 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is MP with 4 5
            UTG folds, Hero raises to $2.24, CO raises to $8, 3 folds, Hero calls $5.76

            Flop: ($17.50) T Q 4 (2 players)
            Hero checks, CO bets $8, Hero calls $8

            Turn: ($33.50) 3 (2 players)
            Hero checks, CO bets $13, Hero raises to $40, CO raises to $98.16 and is all-in, Hero folds

            Spoiler:
            Results: $113.50 pot ($2.50 rake)
            Final Board: T Q 4 3
            Hero mucked 4 5 and lost (-$56 net)
            CO mucked and won $111 ($55 net)



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            H3)

            Targetting stuff like 44-66, 99, 67s on the river to fold. Its a spot hero is aware of being usually capped which makes me think villain neither sees me bluffing here or bet folding way too often so I think he will also play his somewhat capped range kind of honestly most of the time which makes this not so bad as a bluff. Ofc some people might shove a lot here but dont think vs population its the case



              Party, $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37484892

              BTN: $147.97 (148 bb)
              UTG: $120.11 (120.1 bb)
              MP: $295.77 (295.8 bb)
              CO: $62.10 (62.1 bb)
              SB: $108.27 (108.3 bb)
              Hero (BB): $142.54 (142.5 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BB with A K
              UTG raises to $3.10, 4 folds, Hero raises to $11.50, UTG calls $8.40

              Flop: ($23.50) 3 Q 7 (2 players)
              Hero bets $11.16, UTG calls $11.16

              Turn: ($45.82) 8 (2 players)
              Hero checks, UTG checks

              River: ($45.82) T (2 players)
              Hero bets $32.64, UTG raises to $65.28, Hero folds

              Spoiler:
              Results: $111.10 pot ($3 rake)
              Final Board: 3 Q 7 8 T
              UTG mucked and won $108.10 ($52.80 net)
              Hero mucked A K and lost (-$55.30 net)



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              11-07-2016 , 11:11 AM
              H3 looked like villain was trapping w a set,set of QQ or big pair.
              he was in utg. unless villain is very loose & he raises lots of small suited connectors & smallpp every time.
              the flop is dry, so If villain raise he will win a small pot.
              it doesn't make sense for villain to be passive otf & ott & then RR river. maybe rivered TT

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              11-07-2016 , 11:49 AM
              H1. if villain is super super loose. he would have 36 flushes otf.
              but if he is moderate. he would have maybe 15-20. all the Axs , couple Kxs,QJs, JTs
              if villain check/called me otf & ott alarm bells would go off in my head
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              11-08-2016 , 01:36 AM
              He can have Ax suited flushes but many people are not defending those hands OOP even slighly deeper vs. 3bet. But you got a point on that and it makes the AJ 3-barrel worse not blocking the acehigh flushes. Also changes are kind of high he is folding middlepairs with FD on turn I would expect this to happen around 50-60% of the time which makes the 3-barrel even worse.

              H3.

              A) if he expects me to take bet / check / bet line frequently it makes a slowplay better for him

              B) if he expects me to bet, check , bet - folding with top pair / overpair frequently it makes sense for him to turn more stuff to bluff

              C) If he does expect me to have a few bluffs but mostly be on top pair + and defend some part of this range vs. shove he will not bluff a huge frequency and Im allowed to show up with some bluffs and this one would not be the worst.

              Think the scenario C is kind of most true here considering stakes and population.

              -------------------------

              Think I will play nl50 this month to gain confidence. I wanna crush. Also if I study same time it will not degenerate me as much.
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              11-09-2016 , 06:41 AM
              B)
              if he is a guy who calls your big 3bet with crap. then he would bluff maybe.
              but lets say if he had 66 or 22 & he knows your or bluffing with AK or AJ. then it would be better for him to bluff-catch you on the river. he would also know how to play in the future in that spot.

              instead of going all-in for max-value he just doubled your bet. if you had AQ here, you would minimum chop & most of the time lose.
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