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10-16-2018 , 12:52 AM
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Originally Posted by samcx
Lol, did he play a hand in that whole vid, is he a known nit or just super card dead? I skipped through it every minute or so and didn't see his name once post flop, he appears to have a punchable face & irritating voice to boot.

What a dream to have Eric at the table though some of his shtick is annoying... when people verbally declare 'I Snap Call' it tilts me for reason.
He supposedly folded JJ to a single raise preflop. Confirmed nit.

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Originally Posted by Rmbxr9
And, of course he's the oldest of old man coffees. I think he had a 6% VPIP last night, like you guys said folded JJ to an opening bet... But, it is fun bashing him in the youtube chat so there's that
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10-16-2018 , 12:58 AM
Makes you wonder why Ryan would want a guy like that on the show yet ignore you Rick, push for it harder imo.
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10-16-2018 , 05:47 PM
Won $500 yesterday, I played 2 hands of note vs the same UK reg, I absolutely rofled around in the first hand, opened JTo in the HJ, UK reg calls co, Asian whale squeezes to 160 on btn, we both peel. Flop is AQ2r, she cbets, we both call, turn glorious K goes x/x/x. River brick I x, UK reg bets chunks, she folds and I put the rest in and he sigh calls a set of 2s for a $4400 pot. Of course trash from us but it ain't spew if you turn a gutter and win the money!

Second hand really interesting one. I open A8ss in HJ and same reg calls btn, flop is T84ssx. I cbet half pot and he raises to 125, I call. Turn is a 6 and he bets again, I call again. River is a 7 and I x and he bets something like $450, and I shove for like $1200 total. I can't quite remember the exact amounts but it was something like that. Couple of things - 1) I haven't played much with him but he seems like one of the best of the UK guys (not just saying that coz he'll most likely read it!), 2) we've seen him valuebet somewhat thinly and got called by worse always, 3) he's seen us rofl around, 4) we get to the river with 3 combos of 89s, 3 combos of T9s, 6 combos of 99, 4 combos of 79s, and A9cc/J9cc. That's like 18 combos here, which is obviously good. The downside is what we are trying to get to fold. I don't think he has TT here, so we give him 1 combo of 8s, 3 combos of 4s, and some 5x combos. I can't see many 9x combos he gets to the river with himself (think he raises pre with mid suited connectors). Anyway some fkn idiot at the table calls the clock after like 2 mins. 20 seconds into the countdown I hear the dreaded "I think I might have to pay you off here Gazzy" and 10 seconds later he calls it off with 88. Think it's by far his best bluffcatcher OTR coz it blocks 89s.

Happy to hear any thoughts.

Finished up around $500 for the day. Back at it today!
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10-16-2018 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by GazzyB123
Anyway some fkn idiot at the table calls the clock after like 2 mins. 20 seconds into the countdown I hear the dreaded "I think I might have to pay you off here Gazzy" and 10 seconds later he calls it off with 88.
I woulda fuccin sparked him out mate, got to be the most tilting thing to hear ever
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10-17-2018 , 03:01 AM
Who's the best UK reg at commerce? I played a lot there this last month and it seemed like 75% of the regs were british
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10-18-2018 , 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Iranian96
I woulda fuccin sparked him out mate, got to be the most tilting thing to hear ever
Haha yeah when you hear that it's never ever gonna end well!

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Originally Posted by tgiggity
Who's the best UK reg at commerce? I played a lot there this last month and it seemed like 75% of the regs were british
Me nah there's a fair few Brits here and none of them are bad. Lots of Euros etc, it sucks but hey ho.

Not much to update, I'm up approx $13k at 5/10 for the trip so far, not playing great and running really really well. We had a great table today and it was getting a bit stale so I tried to get some action going again by blind raising UTG. UTG+1 makes it 60 and good Czech Republic reg calls in MP. I flick in the other $40 with 53o. Flop is K47hhd, UTG cbets $60 and we both call, turn is the absolute miracle 6d. Xs to the Czech guy and he bets $230 into $375, I make it $900 to go and he calls. I'm praying for no diamond, no heart and no board pairing card. River is Jc and we shove $2075 and he tank calls after a few mins. Biggest pot of the trip so far, but of course extremely lucky!

Not much else to report, we GG'd the running bet today, I ran 93.75 miles in 14 days and was very much willing to complete it, but given the heat and the time it was consuming, I was more than happy to end it without anyone paying anyone any money. Was a fun bet but **** me I'm glad I don't have to run tomorrow!

Also, really really struggling with winners tilt at the moment; every time I'm up like $1500 or more I just wanna instantly end the session and book the win. Like tonight after I won that big pot all I wanted to do was leave. I think it's because (despite being financially comfortable personally) I have had no income since around the middle of June (when me and my backers chopped a decent amount of $ and then I lost a lot and had to come home with a chunk of makeup). Either way I hope it is a short term thing, as there was the potential there for a really big session tonight...
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10-19-2018 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GazzyB123

Second hand really interesting one. I open A8ss in HJ and same reg calls btn, flop is T84ssx. I cbet half pot and he raises to 125, I call. Turn is a 6 and he bets again, I call again. River is a 7 and I x and he bets something like $450, and I shove for like $1200 total. I can't quite remember the exact amounts but it was something like that. Couple of things - 1) I haven't played much with him but he seems like one of the best of the UK guys (not just saying that coz he'll most likely read it!), 2) we've seen him valuebet somewhat thinly and got called by worse always, 3) he's seen us rofl around, 4) we get to the river with 3 combos of 89s, 3 combos of T9s, 6 combos of 99, 4 combos of 79s, and A9cc/J9cc. That's like 18 combos here, which is obviously good. The downside is what we are trying to get to fold. I don't think he has TT here, so we give him 1 combo of 8s, 3 combos of 4s, and some 5x combos. I can't see many 9x combos he gets to the river with himself (think he raises pre with mid suited connectors). Anyway some fkn idiot at the table calls the clock after like 2 mins. 20 seconds into the countdown I hear the dreaded "I think I might have to pay you off here Gazzy" and 10 seconds later he calls it off with 88. Think it's by far his best bluffcatcher OTR coz it blocks 89s.

Happy to hear any thoughts.
From what it seems you just cbet here everything in a spot where you should probably check range OOP. Like I would understand 1/3 or so but betting A8s for 1/2 pot and calling raise is just bad. Folding the flop straight away is better than calling. He needs to be raising a lot for you to justify this call but then if he raises a lot the cbet makes no sense in a first place.
I don't think he bet River thin nearly enough to justify checkraise. In fact if you give PIO/solvers leading Range in this spot this is the River you have to lead with 9x+weakest bluffcatchers vs human population (that doesn't value bet this River tihnly enough/bluff thinly enough) So I would much rather lead this River for a pot with this hand (but I would never ever cbet it in a first place here). than doing the x/r in a spot that because it hits me so well Villain is not vbetting thinly enough for my x/r to get enough folds to make it +EV.
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10-19-2018 , 11:21 AM
He has a flush draw on flop as well.
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10-19-2018 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by KptBomba
From what it seems you just cbet here everything in a spot where you should probably check range OOP. Like I would understand 1/3 or so but betting A8s for 1/2 pot and calling raise is just bad. Folding the flop straight away is better than calling. He needs to be raising a lot for you to justify this call but then if he raises a lot the cbet makes no sense in a first place.
I don't think he bet River thin nearly enough to justify checkraise. In fact if you give PIO/solvers leading Range in this spot this is the River you have to lead with 9x+weakest bluffcatchers vs human population (that doesn't value bet this River tihnly enough/bluff thinly enough) So I would much rather lead this River for a pot with this hand (but I would never ever cbet it in a first place here). than doing the x/r in a spot that because it hits me so well Villain is not vbetting thinly enough for my x/r to get enough folds to make it +EV.
He had nut flushdraw so obv calling flop after raise. Agree with everything else tho. Don't understand how cbetting this board with most of the hands gazzy mentioned is ever a thing or how bet calling 99 on the flop is entering the game tree. Idk if check raising a 9 in this situation is the play either. Since gazzy is over cbetting this board id expect villain to have a wider raising range otf including more of his J9 combos. Also I consider the 8 blocks his thinner valuebets like 88 T8 so blocking that is not a good thing imo.

Theory aside if he's seen you rofl around hes gonna call u lighter right but then again taking this line a rofler will arrive at the river with more 9x
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10-19-2018 , 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by GazzyB123
Won $500 yesterday, I played 2 hands of note vs the same UK reg, I absolutely rofled around in the first hand, opened JTo in the HJ, UK reg calls co, Asian whale squeezes to 160 on btn, we both peel. Flop is AQ2r, she cbets, we both call, turn glorious K goes x/x/x. River brick I x, UK reg bets chunks, she folds and I put the rest in and he sigh calls a set of 2s for a $4400 pot. Of course trash from us but it ain't spew if you turn a gutter and win the money!

Second hand really interesting one. I open A8ss in HJ and same reg calls btn, flop is T84ssx. I cbet half pot and he raises to 125, I call. Turn is a 6 and he bets again, I call again. River is a 7 and I x and he bets something like $450, and I shove for like $1200 total. I can't quite remember the exact amounts but it was something like that. Couple of things - 1) I haven't played much with him but he seems like one of the best of the UK guys (not just saying that coz he'll most likely read it!), 2) we've seen him valuebet somewhat thinly and got called by worse always, 3) he's seen us rofl around, 4) we get to the river with 3 combos of 89s, 3 combos of T9s, 6 combos of 99, 4 combos of 79s, and A9cc/J9cc. That's like 18 combos here, which is obviously good. The downside is what we are trying to get to fold. I don't think he has TT here, so we give him 1 combo of 8s, 3 combos of 4s, and some 5x combos. I can't see many 9x combos he gets to the river with himself (think he raises pre with mid suited connectors). Anyway some fkn idiot at the table calls the clock after like 2 mins. 20 seconds into the countdown I hear the dreaded "I think I might have to pay you off here Gazzy" and 10 seconds later he calls it off with 88. Think it's by far his best bluffcatcher OTR coz it blocks 89s.

Happy to hear any thoughts.

Finished up around $500 for the day. Back at it today!
I would probably fold the JTo rather than open, unless you were on the button in which case maybe come in for the steal.

The A8 hand is a complete shambles other than the open and cbet, a clear fold as soon as he raises. Look forward to playing more with you, fishcake.
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10-19-2018 , 09:15 PM
When live players give you lessons on poker strat, that's when you know things are ****ed up lol

Haha! Gl in your live midstakes adventures, gazzy, miss the stream!

Vaaaaamoooo
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10-20-2018 , 01:41 AM
Just to clarify a few things.

Firstly, I don’t know who Alex folding Spencer is. He’s a catfish. I’m the real Alex Jms.

Secondly, think JTo is a fold even on the button.

And thirdly, I think A8ss is also fold pre.

P.s do look forward to playing with you more, fishcake.
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10-20-2018 , 02:13 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexFoldingSpencer
a clear fold as soon as he raises. .
That's a disaster if he ever raises flush draws. If he's the type to raise a lot of cbets I agree with an early comment that we can check flop, otherwise I don't mind cbetting to build a pot against guys who just call/fold virtually their whole range to cbets there.
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10-20-2018 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexFoldingSpencer
I would probably fold the JTo rather than open, unless you were on the button in which case maybe come in for the steal.

The A8 hand is a complete shambles other than the open and cbet, a clear fold as soon as he raises. Look forward to playing more with you, fishcake.
Actually if we want to be really picky the cbet might not be so GTO either (and probably not even that great vs live reg either). Pretty sure if you put in live reg's flatting range on BTN (including flatting 88 rather than 3! which he probably should be doing), then at with these stacks PIO would tell you to x range as PFR here.
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10-20-2018 , 09:53 AM
lol folding JTo on btn, thats a funny one
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10-20-2018 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
lol folding JTo on btn, thats a funny one
Plus folding A8s wtf
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10-20-2018 , 01:18 PM
Sick strat ITT
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10-20-2018 , 02:17 PM
I take it playing 11/9 is still actually a thing in live poker given the hands we're supposed to fold pre?
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10-20-2018 , 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
I take it playing 11/9 is still actually a thing in live poker given the hands we're supposed to fold pre?
11/9 is LAG compared to most live nitregs
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10-20-2018 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tgiggity
11/9 is LAG compared to most live nitregs
Wondering if KK is okay to open in the CO or if we should wait till the button.
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10-20-2018 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Husker
Wondering if KK is okay to open in the CO or if we should wait till the button.
Definitely open KK in the cutoff. I'm sure you know that, however if there has already been an open I like to go for the trap flat, then backraise when one of these wizards 3bets from the blinds.

I love the new age kids with their 3 betting tricks.
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10-20-2018 , 08:39 PM
Thanks for all the HH replies guys. I strongly disagreed with some of them (e.g. imagine ever checking your entire range OOP in a live game because you think PIO would, I'm sorry but that is gibberish) but some interesting insight.

The Alex Spencer accounts are a parody of a well known UK live reg that's out here that is known for being a pretty tight player (he jokes himself about this a lot). A lovely guy and I'm sure he'll take zero offence, but I did find the two accounts quite funny

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Erm, strap in...

Got into Commerce yesterday at around 9.30am. There was a 20/40nl game running and I wandered over and it looked pretty decent. I got the all clear from the powers that be and jumped in. I'm in seat 9 and seat 1 is a reg who kinda looks like Daniel Alaei and he's begging some rec looking dude to go play HU coz he doesn't wanna play 9 handed. Rec is like nah no HU and he's saying to the whole table "well I'm gonna leave then!" as if someone is gonna beg him to stay. Whole table is like right k cya pal and eventually he ****s off. Was pleased that I felt no nerves at all given I'd been playing mainly 5/10 so far this trip and hadn't played this big since Vegas. Game was pretty good, there were some fun players in the game and one whale who weirdly went super tight after being bluffed. So the board is QJ2hhx6x and the whale bets 1700 OTT into whatever, and a reg drills it in for 15k. After like 2 mins he asks how much it is and the dealer starts to tell him and he just goes ballistic at her and is screaming "I DIDN'T ASK YOU I ASKED HIM! YOU DON'T GET INVOLVED, CAN I PLAY MY HAND?!?" I said to myself that I wouldn't stand for this in a 5/10 game so I shouldn't let it slide in a 20/40 game, I was like "c'mon man she's just doing her job". Whale is still going ballistic mid hand and the floor comes over and the worst part was the guy was like "You haven't even said you're sorry to me yet!" and some of the regs were like "dealer, I know it's not your fault but can you just say you're sorry?" fair ****ing play to this Asian chick she just sat there stone faced and refused to apologise. Quite ****ing right imo. Imagine making a grown woman say "sorry" to appease a big fat grown eastern european man with last night's dinner all down his t-shirt's feelings. ****ing joke. Anyway he eventually folds and the reg flashes 9h and the whale starts immediately saying he just had AK to anyone and everyone. If I see her today I'm giving her a $20. Anyway I was down about $2500 in the game, I got one spot for about 4 hours and that was it. I eventually look down at Qc in the BB. Some tightish fella 3bet on the btn and I jokiingly say in my head "please dont be a queen" before looking down at my other card and it's a red queen. We end up getting a little under $7k in pre btn vs bb and he asks "do you have aces?" and I immmmmmmmmmmmediately know he has the KimKardashians. We RIT and there's a fkn Q in the window, followed by a K he quads up OTT and I say to her "don't put another queen out there please" on the first riv. She obliges but we couldn't find our one out on the second board and thus tapped the table and departed -$8594 at 20/40. Happy with how I played and happy with my decision to play in the first place, so as my older brother says, "no ragrets".

It's 2pm at that point. Do I go home? Do I ****. Straight into the 5/10 streets. Games were decent enough but I bled down for a bit and then back up again. Truth be told nothing actually happened for about 6 hours. I left the game at around 8pm to go to the restaurant with my housemate. It was packed to the rafters so we decided to Uber it to In-N-Out for a wee treat. In-N-Out is the absolute nuts, especially when you're feeling a wee bit dejected. We shoot the breeze, chat **** about everyone and then head back to Commerce. We start a new table and it starts to fill and I get it in pre vs a Romanian reg called A, super duper nice dude. He has AK, I have AK, and the board runs out 4 diamonds. I check my cards and have none, he checks his and alas he has Kd. Nh sir. Two hands later I massively massively massively overplayed KK in a massively overplayed spot, we gii OTT and the bottom card pairs OTR and I double up. If that bottom card hadn't paired I woulda legit gone home. For the sheer madness that was about to ensue, I am grateful in hindsight for that 4c OTR. Anyway we double up and around 11pm we opt to move tables.

Disclaimer - I did two things in the next few paragraphs that I have no regrets doing and 99% of ppl ITT would do the same but I fully expect some people to get upset about...

So I get moved to the bottom table and the game is good, there's a couple of recs, we chip up nicely. I open AcAd in HJ, and some super duper tight reg pre flats btn. I've seen him make moves postflop but he's super tight pre normally. We go 3 ways to JT2ccx flop. I cbet, btn calls. Turn is 6c, I xc. River is a brick and he jams (he started the hand w 900 for whatever weird reason) I'm just like you have like 4 flush combos here, I call. ****er rolls over 32cc and I'm just like what even is this nh mate. Anyway I'm up a bit at this table but it gets reggy and I ask for a table change to any table. We're 8 handed and one of the chip runners tells me to go to the table behind me, and that one of the guys at that table is coming over. I look over and one of the guys coming our way is a rec who gives a lot of action. Chip runner is like k rack up and I'm like errrrrrrrrr you know what I think I'll stay here? Couple of the regs at the table start laughing and I'm like "I know boys I'm shameless". It's all in good fun. It's 2am and I'm starting to get a bit tired, I'm trying to grind it out until 7am UK time at which point I can watch Motherwell vs St Johnstone on my iPad. Anyway at this point the game is around 6 handed, it's a pretty good game, and some fella sits down. Looks like your average dude, nice guy, wants to chat to me about football etc. He befriends the rec who likes to give action and they're chatting away and loving life. I'm like "aww cute rec friends" in my head lolol. Little did we know that this dude was going to make the game abbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbsolutely explode. It starts off normal, but then he loses a stack and is visibly tilted and as the chip runner is getting him chips he just pops it to $100 pre. Whole table is like "sorry how much" and he's like "$100 lets go" and then out of nowhere this 7 handed game was quite literally 5/10/100 every hand. The minimum raise at the table was $100, and this dude had a 95% vpip. The game was playing absolutely huge and everyone was loving it, good banter, lots of action etc.

So a Czech reg called S opens UTG to $50, couple of calls, the whale calls, and the action giving rec makes it $175 in the SB. I'm in the BB with A6dd and cold call (it was THAT sort of game boys). One reg calls and the whale calls and the flop is 754ddx. I'm just like o boy here we go. The rec bets $300 into millions and I literally just jam 5k eff. So the rec has got like $1200ish, the whale has got like 4k and S has got like $3200. Hand on heart that whale is folding no pair, no flush draw, he might even call it off with an eight. Unfortunately S goes into the tank for a while, and eventually says "this might be a slowroll" and I'm like ugh don't really want you to call here. Eventually he calls and it folds back round to the fun player who is cursing in his native tongue. I turn to S (me and S are pals, he's a lovely lovely guy) and ask what he's got (we're the other side of the table, the rec can't hear us). He shows me, I show him, and I say to him "do you want to run it twice?" please note at this point there is no RIT in the Commerce. We're seat 6 and seat 7, seat 9 is an American reg who can hear us. S says yeah but how do we do that. I'm like "when the dealer finishes dealing we'll just pick up the deck, see what it is, and sort it out after".

Another sidenote, at this point you might be thinking "wtf you can't do that!" but I swear to God in The Commerce after every other hand people snatch up the deck and rifle through it to see what the turn and river will be. People start exposing burn cards etc to see "how close they were", the place is a genuine ****in zoo.

So anyway the fun player folds and I say to the dealer "after you're finished dealing just put the deck to the side" and he looks at me as if I've just asked him to fist me after his shift is done. He's like "no sir I can't do that." and I'm like wtf just put the deck down afterwards. He's like "NO SIR I CAN'T DO THAT." I'm like right ok I don't wanna cause any trouble npnp. Seat 9 is like dw boys I got this. Anyway we straight up OTT on the first runout and the dealer puts his hand on the deck for a second and is looking at me and I'm like ok sorry, can you pls push the pot (two handed job ayyyy), and seat 9 quick as a flash mucks the top and 3rd card and turns over the 2nd and 4th and they're two diamonds and S is like sigh yeah ok you scoop. Again I wanna stress that this might seem like unethical behaviour but it took us legit 5 extra seconds to do and the whale is folding out of turn every hand postflop and showing the table his cards mid hand and throwing his cards to other players not in the hand mid hand to see etc etc, it's legit like a ****ing brilliant homegame for hours and hours, so I have no regrets about actioning this.

Anyway as you can imagine I'm sitting there with a 10k stack and my winners tilt is overwhelming me. I force myself to stay in the game, even as the whale runs up a stack to like 5 or 6k. There are regs actually leaving the game because they don't want the variance of the whale and the rec. Like one game broke and we went from 6 to 9 handed and the game got slow but after 20 mins two regs legit went and played other games. I lose a little back and every fibre of my being wants me to just rack up and leave. I get a weird spot where the fun player (who has changed seats to the other side of the table) limps, the whale overlimps, and I make it 150 in the BB w QhQs. 3 ways to a J83ddx flop. I cbet close to pot, fun player calls. 5x turn, I cbet 70%, he calls, river 3x and I jam and he goes deep into the tank. He tanks for 5 mins and eventually clock is called. Floor comes over and gives him the speech. Floor is standing talking to someone while doing the clock (srs). 30 second notice. When the clock gets to 5 seconds he says "fifteen secon.... oh wait, five sec... ok, your hand is dead". I'm like r.u.fkn.srs.m8? Thankfully the fun player didn't kick up a storm but after the floor guy left we are all like what the actual **** lmao.

Whale opens to 120 in CO, BB Ldn reg makes it 600 w AKo and the whale drills in 5k pre, Ldn reg is like sigh okay I call, and the whale just goes ".....****!" and the whole table erupts with laughter. Whale actually has QQ but says he just wanted to win it pre. Reg has AK and there's a K OTF and unfortunately for us the fun is over after that. Was genuinely an amazing game that ran for hours and hours but not only that it was so much fun. Really glad it transpired and almost got me out the hole for the day!

That was fun to write, now flame away

Last edited by GazzyB123; 10-20-2018 at 08:47 PM.
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10-20-2018 , 10:07 PM
Not sure what's "unethical" about that. However, it was incredibly stupid, because once you agree to RIT with him, if you're not able to rabbit hunt the 2nd board one of you is getting hard-core freerolled. So, it might be unethical in that sense, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with ignoring casinos rules (other then running the risk of getting banned).
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10-21-2018 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by GazzyB123
Whale opens to 120 in CO, BB Ldn reg makes it 600 w AKo and the whale drills in 5k pre, Ldn reg is like sigh okay I call, and the whale just goes ".....****!" and the whole table erupts with laughter. Whale actually has QQ but says he just wanted to win it pre. Reg has AK and there's a K OTF and unfortunately for us the fun is over after that. Was genuinely an amazing game that ran for hours and hours but not only that it was so much fun. Really glad it transpired and almost got me out the hole for the day!

That was fun to write, now flame away
I wouldnt advise calling off that much with AKo or even AKs for that matter, we will have AA and KK here which I would be way more comfortable calling with.
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10-21-2018 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexFoldingSpencer
I wouldnt advise calling off that much with AKo or even AKs for that matter, we will have AA and KK here which I would be way more comfortable calling with.


I like this acc and I don’t even know the reg it’s parodying
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