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09-09-2015 , 09:45 AM
Hello everyone greek grinder here!

From 1st of September I decided to try my luck and go pro playing 200k for the next 2 months in a georgian site NL8,NL20. I never was a winning player(all my profits are from rakeback mostly) but last month It went relatively well so I thought I could give it a shot.

It was an absolute disaster. I ended it in 3 days and 7k hands.
I felt like god was telling me: "DUDE! Get serious, this game is not for you!" I have played almost half a million hands and this was the most devastating downswing I have ever had. It totally ****ed my confidence. I believe the reason was that the loss was big and happened very quickly and because I really believed I could do it this time. It was the first time I withdrew all my bankroll, uninstalled everything related to poker and decided I will end it once and for all.

Nevermind, after a week and a lot of thinking I decided to start again but this time like a hobby However, I want to start playing again, but with a totally different mindset. Here are my goals:
  1. PLAY AT LEAST 15K MORE UNTIL THE END OF SEPTEMBER
  2. PLAY 4TABLE UNTIL I FIX MY STATS AND INCREASE MY WINRATE
  3. STUDY FOR 1 HOUR EVERY DAY
  4. POST IN THIS THREAD AT LEAST 5 HANDS EACH DAY
  5. RATE MY MENTAL LEAKS AFTER EACH SESSION (CONCENTRATION, RESULT ORIENTATION, TILT ETC)
  6. REACH 40 BI FOR NL20
  7. REACH A 7 bb/100 WINRATE IN NL10 IN 100K

Also, I want to review with you guys some hands from these last 7k to see how much I was responsible for this disaster.

The currency is in GEL so NL20 = NL8 and NL50 = NL20( IN EUROS!)

There will be an update soon with more detailed goals concerning stats etc

Here are my last 7k




Last edited by BreJohn; 09-09-2015 at 09:50 AM.
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09-09-2015 , 10:12 AM
1ST HAND:



    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37105736

    UTG: $12 (60 bb)
    MP: $20.78 (103.9 bb)
    CO: $22.66 (113.3 bb)
    BTN: $28.72 (143.6 bb)
    SB: $40.46 (202.3 bb)
    Hero (BB): $24.35 (121.8 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q K
    3 folds, BTN raises to $0.40, SB calls $0.30, Hero raises to $2, BTN calls $1.60, SB folds

    Flop: ($4.40) 2 7 T (2 players)
    Hero bets $2.07, BTN calls $2.07

    Turn: ($8.54) T (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN checks

    River: ($8.54) A (2 players)
    Hero bets $5.36, BTN calls $5.36

    Spoiler:
    Results: $19.26 pot ($1.15 rake)
    Final Board: 2 7 T T A
    BTN showed Q A and won $18.11 ($8.68 net)
    Hero showed Q K and lost (-$9.43 net)



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    VILLAIN
    28/23 (Not any important info. WTSD 30(27) after this hand)
    I bet the river because I thought I could represent the A easily and make him fold his pp. Is it a mistake? I had SD value here so I should I have checked?
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    09-09-2015 , 10:20 AM
    2ND HAND:

      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37106026

      CO: $25.49 (127.5 bb)
      BTN: $19.95 (99.8 bb)
      SB: $8.75 (43.8 bb)
      BB: $8.53 (42.7 bb)
      Hero (UTG): $34.11 (170.6 bb)
      MP: $31.40 (157 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is UTG with 5 5
      Hero raises to $0.80, MP calls $0.80, 4 folds

      Flop: ($1.90) 3 7 2 (2 players)
      Hero bets $1.20, MP calls $1.20

      Turn: ($4.30) J (2 players)
      Hero bets $2.70, MP calls $2.70

      River: ($9.70) 4 (2 players)
      Hero checks, MP bets $2, Hero calls $2

      Spoiler:
      Results: $13.70 pot ($0.81 rake)
      Final Board: 3 7 2 J 4
      Hero mucked 5 5 and lost (-$6.70 net)
      MP showed 9 J and won $12.89 ($6.19 net)



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      VILLAIN:

      83/20 from 53 hands, ftcbet 15(13),14(7), aggr 37, wtsd 32

      Is it too much to bet 2/3 the turn against him? Do you prefer x-call?
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      09-09-2015 , 10:41 AM
      HAND 3:



        Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37106170

        CO: $111.66 (223.3 bb)
        BTN: $95.95 (191.9 bb)
        Hero (SB): $50 (100 bb)
        BB: $50 (100 bb)
        MP: $9.69 (19.4 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is SB with J Q
        MP folds, CO raises to $1.50, BTN folds, Hero raises to $5.25, BB folds, CO calls $3.75

        Flop: ($11) 9 T 6 (2 players)
        Hero bets $5.17, CO raises to $106.41 and is all-in, Hero calls $39.58 and is all-in

        Turn: ($100.50) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
        River: ($100.50) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

        Spoiler:
        Results: $100.50 pot ($6.02 rake)
        Final Board: 9 T 6 4 3
        CO showed J 9 and won $94.48 ($44.48 net)
        Hero showed J Q and lost (-$50 net)



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        VILLAIN:

        26/22/10(1.7k), FT3BET(CO): 73(11), RCBET 15(20), CRCBET 18(11) WTSD 35

        Played lots of hands with him. I don't know if he is good player but he is very very loose and aggro and runs like a god(50 bb/100). This hand was from the last 500 I played. I was already losing like 14 BI and I had this guy raising all my cbets so my nerves were breaking down. Nevertheless, it's a fold isn't it? I tend to overestimate straight draws with 1 overcard or 1 pair. I always think I have more equity than I have. Any tips?
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        09-09-2015 , 10:58 AM
        HAND 3:



          Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37106170

          CO: $111.66 (223.3 bb)
          BTN: $95.95 (191.9 bb)
          Hero (SB): $50 (100 bb)
          BB: $50 (100 bb)
          MP: $9.69 (19.4 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is SB with J Q
          MP folds, CO raises to $1.50, BTN folds, Hero raises to $5.25, BB folds, CO calls $3.75

          Flop: ($11) 9 T 6 (2 players)
          Hero bets $5.17, CO raises to $106.41 and is all-in, Hero calls $39.58 and is all-in

          Turn: ($100.50) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
          River: ($100.50) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

          Spoiler:
          Results: $100.50 pot ($6.02 rake)
          Final Board: 9 T 6 4 3
          CO showed J 9 and won $94.48 ($44.48 net)
          Hero showed J Q and lost (-$50 net)



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          VILLAIN:

          26/22/10(1.7k), FT3BET(CO) 73(11), FTCBET 29(31),11(9), FTCBET IN 3BET POTS 38(8), RCBET 15(20), CRCBET 18(11) WTSD 35

          Played lots of hands with him. I don't know if he is good player but he is very very loose and aggro and runs like a god(50 bb/100). This hand was from the last 500 I played. I was already losing like 14 BI and I had this guy raising all my cbets so my nerves were breaking down. Nevertheless, it's a fold isn't it? I tend to overestimate straight draws.
          EDIT: I always think I have more equity than I have because I count my overcards like outs too. In this spot how many outs should I count? 11 at most? I think he would never shove set+ here (am I wrong?) so his range would propably be something like : KK+(4-5 combos), KdQd, KdJd, KcJc, QdJd, QsJs, QcJc, AdTd, AhTh, Ad9d, Ac9c, Kd9d, Kc9c, Qd9d, Qc9c, Jd9d, Jc9c, Td9d, Ts9s, Jd8d, Js8s, Jc8c. I am not sure if he shoves TPTK so I just put the combos he has a backdoor flush too. I don't know how to calculate it exactly but with this range I have 45 % and I have 39% to call. Even if i reduce his range to: AdAh,AdAs,AhAs,AdAc,AhAc,QJs,J8s,T9s,KdJd,KhJh,KcJ c,AdTd,AhTh I have to call. The question is if I have to count sets or not and if it was a better line to x/call

          EDIT 2: I forgot this note : btn( vs sb). called 3bet with T4s and didn't raise in 34T(2tone)

          Last edited by BreJohn; 09-09-2015 at 11:26 AM.
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          09-09-2015 , 02:44 PM
          HAND 4:

            Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37106204

            BB: $25.49 (127.5 bb)
            UTG: $19.15 (95.8 bb)
            MP: $8.65 (43.3 bb)
            CO: $8.89 (44.5 bb)
            Hero (BTN): $27.11 (135.6 bb)
            SB: $38.02 (190.1 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BTN with K Q
            3 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, SB calls $0.50, BB folds

            Flop: ($1.40) A 4 2 (2 players)
            SB checks, Hero bets $0.88, SB calls $0.88

            Turn: ($3.16) K (2 players)
            SB checks, Hero bets $1.99, SB calls $1.99

            River: ($7.14) 7 (2 players)
            SB checks, Hero checks

            Spoiler:
            Results: $7.14 pot ($0.42 rake)
            Final Board: A 4 2 K 7
            Hero showed K Q and lost (-$3.47 net)
            SB showed J A and won $6.72 ($3.25 net)



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            VILLAIN:
            Same guy like hand 1(83/20 from 53 hands, ftcbet 15(13),14(7), aggr 37, wtsd 32). I bet turn because he seems to call a lot of cbets from his stats but I am not sure because most fishes get scared in A boards. Do you think is good to shoot 2 barrels here with MPTK?
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            09-09-2015 , 02:57 PM
            HAND 5:

              Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37106207

              CO: $31.79 (159 bb)
              Hero (BTN): $21.48 (107.4 bb)
              SB: $22.40 (112 bb)
              BB: $30.68 (153.4 bb)
              UTG: $38.80 (194 bb)
              MP: $12.04 (60.2 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is BTN with A K
              UTG folds, MP calls $0.20, CO raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $2.40, 3 folds, CO calls $1.80

              Flop: ($5.30) T J 3 (2 players)
              CO checks, Hero bets $2.50, CO calls $2.50

              Turn: ($10.30) A (2 players)
              CO checks, Hero bets $6.46, CO calls $6.46

              River: ($23.22) K (2 players)
              CO bets $20.43 and is all-in, Hero folds

              Spoiler:
              Results: $23.22 pot ($1.39 rake)
              Final Board: T J 3 A K
              CO mucked and won $21.83 ($10.47 net)
              Hero mucked A K and lost (-$11.36 net)



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              VILLAIN:

              71/30(72 HANDS), FT3BET 0/3, AGGR 30, WTSD 30, W$SD 33

              Is this an easy call ? He could do it with 2 worse pair pretty easily right?
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              09-09-2015 , 04:04 PM
              Quote:
              Originally Posted by BreJohn
              HAND 3:



                Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37106170

                CO: $111.66 (223.3 bb)
                BTN: $95.95 (191.9 bb)
                Hero (SB): $50 (100 bb)
                BB: $50 (100 bb)
                MP: $9.69 (19.4 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is SB with J Q
                MP folds, CO raises to $1.50, BTN folds, Hero raises to $5.25, BB folds, CO calls $3.75

                Flop: ($11) 9 T 6 (2 players)
                Hero bets $5.17, CO raises to $106.41 and is all-in, Hero calls $39.58 and is all-in

                Turn: ($100.50) 4 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
                River: ($100.50) 3 (2 players, 2 are all-in)

                Spoiler:
                Results: $100.50 pot ($6.02 rake)
                Final Board: 9 T 6 4 3
                CO showed J 9 and won $94.48 ($44.48 net)
                Hero showed J Q and lost (-$50 net)



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                VILLAIN:

                26/22/10(1.7k), FT3BET(CO): 73(11), RCBET 15(20), CRCBET 18(11) WTSD 35

                Played lots of hands with him. I don't know if he is good player but he is very very loose and aggro and runs like a god(50 bb/100). This hand was from the last 500 I played. I was already losing like 14 BI and I had this guy raising all my cbets so my nerves were breaking down. Nevertheless, it's a fold isn't it? I tend to overestimate straight draws with 1 overcard or 1 pair. I always think I have more equity than I have. Any tips?

                I wouldn't 3 bet QJs as most villains calling range have us dominated, and when we do get action on these boards we usually have poor equity
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                09-09-2015 , 04:39 PM
                I think I made a mistake editting my 3rd post and I wrote it twice. The villain called with T4s so I think he can call with much worse hands than QJs. Also, he seems to be a calling station
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                09-09-2015 , 04:59 PM
                Quote:
                Originally Posted by BreJohn
                I think I made a mistake editting my 3rd post and I wrote it twice. The villain called with T4s so I think he can call with much worse hands than QJs. Also, he seems to be a calling station
                Just for the future, 3 betting OOP with easily dominated hands is not a profitable play. Against extremely loose villains it can be profitable but against decent regs at NL 20 and NL 50 it will lose you a lot of money.
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                09-10-2015 , 06:42 AM
                I bluff 3bet JQs as a default from sb vs lp. Vs this particular villain's range and his small ft3bet it's not even a bluff I think. Generally, I don't like calling from sb because
                1) I don't get good odds
                2) I am in the worst position

                I can hear opposite views though...

                As for my challenge, I didn't managed to play yesterday (not even depositing again ) but I did an analysis of my last sessions and I really can't find many mistakes. I lost 4 or 5 BI at most in total due to mistakes so the rest 13-14 BI were lost propably because of variance.

                I will play my first session today and I'll post results as well as rating on my performance both mentally and pokerwise.

                Also, I want to pay attention on specific stats that need fixing :
                1. c-raise vs cbet 5+
                2. donkbet flop 10+
                3. btn 3bet 5+

                Feel free to comment on my posted hands. See ya
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                09-11-2015 , 10:56 AM
                Dear forum,
                I think I will start to treat this like my poker journal based on the fact that nobody else writes on it :P

                Ok, first of all I think I have to modify a little my longterm goals because I can't seem to keep up with the schedule I built.

                First of all, although I played one session yesterday (unfortunately divided in 10 parts due to bad internet connection) I didn't find the time to post anything afterwards so I will propably do it today. I played 4 tables for half an hour but I got really bored and added two more for the rest 1 and a half hour. Also, I won't be able to play 1k a day with 4 tables, so I will propably do that because I won't reach my goal of playing 1k a day.

                So:

                2) PLAY 4TABLE FOR 30 MIN AND 6 MAX AFTER UNTIL I FIX MY STATS AND INCREASE MY WINRATE

                4) POST ANY CONTROVERSIAL HANDS I WOULD LIKE TO ANALYSE WITH YOU


                Also, I made a document where I will rate my mental game after each session based on 5 fields:
                1. CONCENTRATION
                2. RESULT ORIENTATION
                3. INFLUENCED BY VARIANCE
                4. MISTAKE TILT
                5. REVENGE TILT
                6. FEAR
                7. AVERAGE

                So for the first session:

                1. CONSENTRATION -> 6 (due to connectivity problems+ little number of tables)
                2. RESULT ORIENTATION -> 8 (I always check hm so I always fall into the trap of looking results)
                3. INFLUENCED BY VARIANCE -> 8
                4. MISTAKE TILT -> 7 (I kept thinking of some hands afterwards because I wasn't absolute sure if I played them well)
                5. REVENGE TILT -> 9
                6. FEAR -> 7 (can't blame myself after having the swing I had)
                7. AVERAGE 7.5

                1ST SESSION RESULTS

                NL20
                +3.37 GEL (700 H - 162 MIN)= BE

                I am so happy I didn't lose any more money but I wanted to play at least 1k hands. It seems impossible playing 4 tables. Anyways, propably I will try to keep up with my challenge during the weekend.

                Pokerwise I think I played relatively good. Let's see some hands:

                  Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                  Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37110669

                  CO: $12.52 (62.6 bb)
                  BTN: $20.26 (101.3 bb)
                  SB: $8.83 (44.2 bb)
                  BB: $17.68 (88.4 bb)
                  UTG: $20 (100 bb)
                  Hero (MP): $22.86 (114.3 bb)

                  Preflop: Hero is MP with A 9
                  UTG folds, Hero raises to $1, CO calls $0.80, BTN calls $1, SB folds, BB calls $0.80

                  Flop: ($3.90) 4 3 A (4 players)
                  BB checks, Hero bets $2.57, CO calls $2.57, 2 folds

                  Turn: ($9.04) J (2 players)
                  Hero checks, CO bets $4.34, Hero calls $4.34

                  River: ($17.72) 6 (2 players)
                  Hero checks, CO bets $4.61, Hero calls $4.61

                  Spoiler:
                  Results: $26.94 pot ($1.42 rake)
                  Final Board: 4 3 A J 6
                  CO showed 4 4 and won $25.52 ($13.20 net)
                  Hero showed A 9 and lost (-$12.52 net)



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                  CO 71/24 (21 H), 57 AGGR
                  BB 92/64 (24 H), 23 AGGR
                  BTN 18/7, 14 AGGR

                  Turn I could shove but I don't think I had so much fold equity vs him.

                  River I called just because I had 17% p.o. but propably I never win here




                    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
                    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37110670

                    Hero (BTN): $23.02 (115.1 bb)
                    SB: $21.82 (109.1 bb)
                    BB: $20 (100 bb)
                    MP: $20.85 (104.3 bb)
                    CO: $52.52 (262.6 bb)

                    Preflop: Hero is BTN with A T
                    MP raises to $0.60, CO calls $0.60, Hero raises to $2.40, 2 folds, MP raises to $6.60, 2 folds

                    Spoiler:
                    Results: $5.70 pot
                    MP mucked and won $5.70 ($3.30 net)



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                    This was totally wrong because he had extremely small open from ep(5%) although he had big ft3bet


                      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37110671

                      UTG: $24.90 (124.5 bb)
                      MP: $11.73 (58.7 bb)
                      CO: $10.74 (53.7 bb)
                      BTN: $18.58 (92.9 bb)
                      SB: $28.19 (141 bb)
                      Hero (BB): $20 (100 bb)

                      Preflop: Hero is BB with K T
                      2 folds, CO calls $0.20, BTN raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30

                      Flop: ($2) 7 T K (4 players)
                      SB checks, Hero bets $1.60, 2 folds, SB calls $1.60

                      Turn: ($5.20) J (2 players)
                      SB checks, Hero bets $3.22, SB raises to $7.10, Hero calls $3.88

                      River: ($19.40) 9 (2 players)
                      SB bets $9, Hero folds

                      Spoiler:
                      Results: $19.40 pot ($1.40 rake)
                      Final Board: 7 T K J 9
                      SB mucked and won $18 ($8.80 net)
                      Hero mucked K T and lost (-$9.20 net)



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                      51/8 (136 h), 23 aggr

                      This was propably good but I am not really sure





                        Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.20 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37110672

                        BB: $16 (80 bb)
                        UTG: $25.64 (128.2 bb)
                        MP: $20.49 (102.5 bb)
                        Hero (CO): $20 (100 bb)
                        BTN: $3.18 (15.9 bb)
                        SB: $35.36 (176.8 bb)

                        Preflop: Hero is CO with A T
                        2 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, BTN calls $0.60, SB calls $0.50, BB folds

                        Flop: ($2) A 5 3 (3 players)
                        SB checks, Hero bets $1.25, BTN folds, SB calls $1.25

                        Turn: ($4.50) 7 (2 players)
                        SB checks, Hero bets $2.83, SB calls $2.83

                        River: ($10.16) 4 (2 players)
                        SB checks, Hero checks

                        Spoiler:
                        Results: $10.16 pot ($0.60 rake)
                        Final Board: A 5 3 7 4
                        Hero showed A T and lost (-$4.68 net)
                        SB showed 3 3 and won $9.56 ($4.88 net)



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                        17/11, aggr 23

                        100% check here huh?? Really passive and nit to call with worse

                        This is for now. I am going for a session but again I don't have much time. Maybe play for 90 min max. GOD DAMN 9-5 JOB!!!
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