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good ole' 9max hyper grind. good ole' 9max hyper grind.

01-12-2016 , 11:14 PM
Low Bankroll, no time for long sessions and a bit of botmode shoving will be part of this I guess.

I am starting with 1.5$ and I don't think I will make it that far but let's see.


Threadsavers and graphs coming up. Holla.

History: started online poker in 2006, lost 20€, did not grind anything in the golden days and started out in 2010.
Lost 1k€ and started winning.
Own BR Lifetime winnings ~25k$
BR to date: 157$
Goal for 2016: Don't go broke
Challenge for 2016: Profit preRB
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2016 so far, started on January,11th



Started with an upswing of course, C net adjusted is at 26$. Let's see..


Thread for savers.

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Let'sa rolla

Last edited by Uhrenknecht; 01-12-2016 at 11:22 PM.
good ole' 9max hyper grind. Quote
01-13-2016 , 12:16 AM
GL bro. You seem to have the micro grind downpat
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01-13-2016 , 04:09 AM
Gogo! Traffic Midstakes+ is almost dead tho. Spins or 6max afterwards?

GL
good ole' 9max hyper grind. Quote
01-13-2016 , 07:00 PM
like I get there

6max hypers or spins maybe. But maybe I just flick to Turbo MTTs, but that's another PG&C. Maybe 9man turbos? do they even run?

So there's 14x 7$ 9max hyper running and 1x 15$. I guess the roll needed for 7$ hypers is huge anyway. Maybe poker is dead before I reach it.
good ole' 9max hyper grind. Quote
01-14-2016 , 04:09 AM
IIRC Psyduck acbarone decided to move to spins because on his main game 9s there was not enough traffic.
Hypers traffic is always higher than turbo traffic, so 9s turbos ain't an option. Poker won't be dead, no worries.
6max turbos if you do not want to experience the hyper variance. Otherwise MTTSnGs or MTTs is the way to go.

Cheers.
good ole' 9max hyper grind. Quote
01-14-2016 , 08:31 PM
Hypers are fun. Sometimes.
I am trying to be profitable pre RB, maybe I just go broke instead.


<3 the pic, made it my avatar.
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BB won so far



Results since last update


$ won so far Hit my 26$ barrier. Guess I go broke here soon :O
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01-15-2016 , 09:47 PM
wtf. It continues.
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[IMG]http://www.ha******.com/images/mwar.jpg[/IMG]


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Results since last update


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BB total


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$ won total


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not broke yet, was not playing A-game .. forum watching, nail biting, being tired and not even thinking about certain ICM spots or enemies ranges. Called 3bets vs KK/QQ and donked off with top pair vs set etc. anyway, variance.
good ole' 9max hyper grind. Quote
01-18-2016 , 10:19 PM
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Bad day and my hyper's couldn't save me. After I lost 90$ on MTTSNGs mixed with some MTTs I tried to fire a 6-table hyper session with 90games..

Guess I missed some BB.


All in Adjusted BB/100: 13
Real BB/100: 1.22
and another -5% ROI after 3 hours ...

It kinda feels like I made a ****load of mistakes, can't remember any, my BB/100 shows upwards so variance should do the trick..

Last edited by Uhrenknecht; 01-18-2016 at 10:27 PM.
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01-18-2016 , 11:24 PM
Subbed. GL.
Post some hands for analysis. It'd be good to see!
good ole' 9max hyper grind. Quote
01-22-2016 , 09:23 PM
need to grind more.
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Results since last update


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BB total


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$ won total


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played a good session on a way too low bankroll.
cashing out is a bitch.


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PokerStars - $1.39+$0.11|10/20 Ante 2 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 24.9 BB
BTN: 23.9 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
SB: 28.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 24.9 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG: 24.9 BB (VPIP: 8.57, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
UTG+1: 24.9 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 22.9 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP+1: 24.9 BB (VPIP: 16.34, PFR: 15.23, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 366)
MP+2: 24.9 BB (VPIP: 7.45, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 2.33, Hands: 161)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has J K

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB, SB calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (5.9 BB, 5 players) 6 4 5
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 5.9 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 5.9 BB

Turn: (17.7 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 17.9 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 16.9 BB and is all-in

River: (51.5 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero shows J K (High Card, King)
(Pre 47%, Flop 29%, Turn 34%)
BTN shows 6 A (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 53%, Flop 71%, Turn 66%)
BTN wins 51.5 BB

Last edited by Uhrenknecht; 01-22-2016 at 09:51 PM.
good ole' 9max hyper grind. Quote
01-25-2016 , 10:35 AM
Don't go broke mate! Keep it hard.

Imho, limp is fine pre, but don't get involved post flop at all if you miss. At those levels, villains never fold so you should exploit your best against them!
good ole' 9max hyper grind. Quote
01-27-2016 , 11:59 AM
Raising >>> Limping IMO. Isolate the weak limper, c-bet, profit.

And on a more general note, I think looking at BBs won is a rather weird/suboptimal way to track results/improvement as there are several instances where +cEV spots are massively -EV due to ICM. If you're insistent on using BBs, I'd only look at spots that occur before 5-handed play.
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01-27-2016 , 03:58 PM
yeah, prolly misclick with the pre call there.

but I guess realizing my overcard/flushdraw equity with backup of fold equity is better than c/f or c/c. Right vs his hand I had 34% on the turn so paying 18 BB to win additional 36 BB is completely break even. If he folds some times, it gets +EV.

regarding BB/100 in 6-9handed spots: 703 BB adjusted in 386 games with 1075 BB recorded. time for a downswing to settle the luck.



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Last edited by Uhrenknecht; 01-27-2016 at 04:10 PM.
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01-27-2016 , 04:32 PM



I think this looks better than the BB stuff.. only 386 games so far though.
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01-27-2016 , 11:05 PM
It's effectively meaningless, but ok
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01-27-2016 , 11:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uhrenknecht

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PokerStars - $1.39+$0.11|10/20 Ante 2 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): 24.9 BB
BTN: 23.9 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
SB: 28.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
BB: 24.9 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG: 24.9 BB (VPIP: 8.57, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 35)
UTG+1: 24.9 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 22.9 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP+1: 24.9 BB (VPIP: 16.34, PFR: 15.23, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 366)
MP+2: 24.9 BB (VPIP: 7.45, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 2.33, Hands: 161)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has J K

UTG calls 1 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB, BTN calls 1 BB, SB calls 0.5 BB, BB checks

Flop: (5.9 BB, 5 players) 6 4 5
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 5.9 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 5.9 BB

Turn: (17.7 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 17.9 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 16.9 BB and is all-in

River: (51.5 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero shows J K (High Card, King)
(Pre 47%, Flop 29%, Turn 34%)
BTN shows 6 A (One Pair, Sixes)
(Pre 53%, Flop 71%, Turn 66%)
BTN wins 51.5 BB
here i think overlimping with AXs hands is ok but with KXs you leave a lot of value / calling for trouble, its either villains going to call the iso way too light or gonna fold far too much (cos of very wide limping ranges), also we _must_ iso to preventing the hand developing into these flop scenarios, on flop i think its a std. c/f as we draw against the whole deck 5way, turn shove i think also screams air (to me it seems for none of the hands we try to rep would be logical to jam turn)
good ole' 9max hyper grind. Quote
01-28-2016 , 12:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uhrenknecht
yeah, prolly misclick with the pre call there.
What about the flop call? Calling more than a pot sized bet on 654r with only King high/a backdoor flush draw is meh at best and becomes a lot worse when we factor in stack sizes and relative position.

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Originally Posted by Uhrenknecht
but I guess realizing my overcard/flushdraw equity with backup of fold equity is better than c/f or c/c. Right vs his hand I had 34% on the turn so paying 18 BB to win additional 36 BB is completely break even. If he folds some times, it gets +EV.
But villain doesn't always have A6o, he can certainly have stronger hands that you'll have less equity against. Plus there's the whole +cEV doesn't always equal +EV argument.
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01-28-2016 , 12:10 AM
in!
glgl
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01-28-2016 , 05:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by acbarone
Calling more than a pot sized bet on 654r with only King high/a backdoor flush draw is meh at best and becomes a lot worse when we factor in stack sizes and relative position.
I don't recall the hand, but I guess since we were HU otf after he makes a possible steal maybe I wasn't convinced of his strength/ thought I had FE. Flushdraw on the turn with an overcard, at least some EQ gain.


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Originally Posted by acbarone
But villain doesn't always have A6o, he can certainly have stronger hands that you'll have less equity against. Plus there's the whole +cEV doesn't always equal +EV argument.
77-33,A7s-A3s,K7s-K4s,75s+,64s+,53s+,43s,A7o-A3o,K7o,87o,76o I have 24% EQ against.
Is my calc right the we lose 5BB if that's his range? If he folds 27% it gets break even.

Also it happened 9 handed and I was first in. Low bubble factor and a bit of FE, no?




I spazz every hand, so.. have fun

PokerStars - $1.39+$0.11|10/20 Ante 2 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 25 BB
SB: 25 BB
BB: 25 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG: 25 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
UTG+1: 25 BB
MP: 25 BB (VPIP: 16.53, PFR: 15.33, 3Bet Preflop: 7.23, Hands: 362)
MP+1: 25 BB
MP+2: 25 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
Hero (CO): 25 BB

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has 7 7

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, MP+2 raises to 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB

Flop: (8.4 BB, 3 players) 5 6 7
UTG+1 checks, MP+2 bets 2 BB, Hero raises to 6.45 BB, fold, MP+2 calls 4.45 BB

Turn: (21.3 BB, 2 players) 5
MP+2 checks, Hero bets 7.65 BB, MP+2 calls 7.65 BB

River: (36.6 BB, 2 players) A
MP+2 checks, Hero bets 8.8 BB and is all-in, MP+2 calls 8.8 BB and is all-in

Spoiler:
Hero shows 7 7 (Full House, Sevens full of Fives)

MP+2 shows T T (Two Pair, Tens and Fives)

Hero wins 54.2 BB


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PokerStars - $1.39+$0.11|15/30 Ante 3 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP+1: 16.43 BB (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 9.33, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 226)
MP+2: 15.77 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
Hero (CO): 18.7 BB
BTN: 34.73 BB (VPIP: 60.26, PFR: 7.14, 3Bet Preflop: 6.45, Hands: 78)
SB: 15.43 BB (VPIP: 25.93, PFR: 20.83, 3Bet Preflop: 14.29, Hands: 27)
BB: 16.43 BB (VPIP: 15.84, PFR: 14.69, 3Bet Preflop: 5.22, Hands: 511)
UTG: 15.63 BB (VPIP: 21.88, PFR: 3.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
UTG+1: 13.77 BB (VPIP: 24.24, PFR: 14.81, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 33)
MP: 3.1 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has 5 A

fold, fold, MP raises to 3 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9.53 BB, BTN calls 9.53 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (24.47 BB, 3 players) A 8 A
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (24.47 BB, 3 players) 4
Hero bets 9.07 BB and is all-in, fold

River: (24.47 BB, 2 players) 2

Spoiler:
Hero shows 5 A (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 32%, Flop 24%, Turn 32%)
MP shows K A (Three of a Kind, Aces)
(Pre 68%, Flop 76%, Turn 68%)
Hero wins 24.47 BB


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PokerStars - $1.39+$0.11|50/100 Ante 10 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (UTG+1): 13.47 BB
MP: 4.35 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
MP+1: 5.98 BB (VPIP: 30.77, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
CO: 5.07 BB (VPIP: 45.71, PFR: 13.04, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 35)
BTN: 2.62 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
SB: 2.87 BB (VPIP: 29.41, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
BB: 6.24 BB (VPIP: 9.69, PFR: 9.94, 3Bet Preflop: 4.00, Hands: 196)
UTG: 4.4 BB (VPIP: 29.17, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)

8 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.3 BB) Hero has A 4

fold, Hero raises to 2.34 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 2.34 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (6.98 BB, 2 players) 7 5 J
Hero bets 11.03 BB and is all-in, CO calls 2.63 BB and is all-in

Turn: (12.24 BB, 2 players) 2

River: (12.24 BB, 2 players) 3

Spoiler:
Hero shows A 4 (Straight, Five High)
(Pre 55%, Flop 19%, Turn 16%)
CO shows 7 6 (One Pair, Sevens)
(Pre 45%, Flop 81%, Turn 84%)
Hero wins 12.24 BB


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PokerStars - $1.39+$0.11|10/20 Ante 2 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 22.6 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
BTN: 22.6 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)
SB: 23.9 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BB: 24.9 BB (VPIP: 17.65, PFR: 15.57, 3Bet Preflop: 1.72, Hands: 205)
UTG: 24.9 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG+1: 24.9 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 24.9 BB (VPIP: 13.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
MP+1: 24.9 BB (VPIP: 16.23, PFR: 12.39, 3Bet Preflop: 7.04, Hands: 275)
Hero (MP+2): 31.4 BB

9 players post ante of 0.1 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.4 BB) Hero has K K

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 1 BB, CO calls 1 BB, fold, fold, BB checks

Flop: (5.4 BB, 4 players) A 3 2
BB checks, UTG+1 bets 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold

Turn: (14.4 BB, 3 players) 2
UTG+1 bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, CO calls 4 BB

River: (26.4 BB, 3 players) 4
UTG+1 bets 16.8 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 16.8 BB, CO calls 14.5 BB and is all-in

Spoiler:
UTG+1 shows 8 8 (Two Pair, Eights and Twos)

Main Pot [69.9 BB]: (Pre 20%, Flop 9%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [4.6 BB]: (Pre 20%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)

Hero shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Twos)

Main Pot [69.9 BB]: (Pre 65%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
Side Pot#1 [4.6 BB]: (Pre 80%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)

CO shows 3 3 (Full House, Threes full of Twos)

Main Pot [69.9 BB]: (Pre 15%, Flop 78%, Turn 90%)

CO wins 69.9 BB
Hero wins 4.6 BB


No wonder I'm broke

Last edited by Uhrenknecht; 01-28-2016 at 06:06 AM.
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01-28-2016 , 06:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Uhrenknecht
I don't recall the hand, but I guess since we were HU otf after he makes a possible steal maybe I wasn't convinced of his strength/ thought I had FE. Flushdraw on the turn with an overcard, at least some EQ gain.
You're confusing flop play with turn play.

On the turn, I don't doubt a shove has some fold equity and our hand has actual, real equity. But on the flop, we called a bet with an extremely weak hand on a very wet board. A large bet. Out of position. With no real plan for the rest of the hand.

My guess is we're check-folding turn to every non K/J and open shoving every heart, which is going to make it very unprofitable in the long term. You binked one of your "outs" and then managed to get it in with breakeven EV in a game where the field is likely incredibly soft. Not the best outcome IMO.

You're also not HU otf, you're five handed; you overlimped, button limped behind, SB completed, BB checked. I guess you get HU after everyone checks to button, he bets, everyone folds to you...

Still, a guy overbet pot on 654r 5-handed -- I'd expect that sizing and the fact that he bet into multiple players to be evidence of strength, but you think he's stealing/weak based on pretty much nothing.
good ole' 9max hyper grind. Quote
01-28-2016 , 10:34 AM
Quote:
You're confusing flop play with turn play.
On the flop I don't believe he has it 100% of the time. On the turn we gain EQ. If I think that I have FE on the flop, then I can also have FE on the turn. Maybe it's a level that I like to shove "too late"
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With no real plan for the rest of the hand.
Given that his bet sizing enables a 1:1 SPR HU, I am happy to call and openshove. The Qh makes it only better because we get a scarecard + flushdraw
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I guess you get HU after everyone checks to button, he bets, everyone folds to you...
that's what I meant.
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based on pretty much nothing.
Yeah, somebody I have zero hands on bets pot at the 1.5$ .
That's such a huge range. In the end it was just donking around.

Thx 4 your time

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