Can’t take the NLHE grind anymore. After rake and only having a slight edge if any against most HE players at the tables it’s just too much squeeze and not enough juice.

“It’s not that I’m good at Poker it’s just that the other players are bad”

Tired of the work of table selection to find whales when they are fewer and further between any more. Went from a losing player refueling the economy to a Winrate in NLHE micros of 3.5bb/100 (up to 25nl) which isn’t bad but not good. That was accomplished after hours spent on software like Flopzilla and Equilab and PokerSnowie and hours and hours of hand reviews.

I’m pretty good at NLHE tourneys with several 1sts and ITM under my belt but looking for less long term variance. I’m ok with short term variance so I landed here.

I’m a study junkie so I want to put that towards something that has more fish and more action. PLO it is.

Picked up my first book today. Pot Limit Omaha Poker: The Big Play Strategy

Going to download Omaha Version of Equilab to do session reviews with.

BR is starting at $60 and stakes start at 0.01/0.02. Site is ACR. SN on there is ROI_RUINER

hey loz, I pretty much have the exact same journey as you. I've played up to 100NL cash, but nothing has really sticked. Moving over to PLO. We should talk hands

Yeah definitely. Probably going to get through the book (next day or two) before putting in any significant sessions.Serious launch on this will probably be Sunday. Grind out a 4-5 hour session.

ACR doesn't seem to have a lot of traffic at the lowest stakes for PLO. Don't know how many hands I'll be able to get in that kind of session. If I can't grind out a good amount I'll deposit more money to get up to higher stakes where there's more traffic.

That book's 11 years old. Not that it's bad as I read it a few years ago but that link I gave you in the PLO section's infinitely better than that book. Hwang has better books geared toward 6m instead of fr that were released after the above one but they're still very old and dated. There are newer, better books that are readable online for free if you Google them.

re: rake. Logically, PLO rakes higher than NL because bigger pots are more frequent and less hands end preflop. You still have to find reasonable tables. Though the good regs at micro PLO are not nearly as good as good regs at NL.

Good luck.

I seen the date on that book and thought the same thing. I got it from that PLO from Scratch series actually though. They suggested it in spite of the date. Does mention it is better suited for full ring but I would assume that 9max/6max adjustments from NLHE to PLO would be similar. Adjust your early position preflop strategy to compensate for the smaller field.

From part one of the series:

I'm using that site as well. Taking in all I can get. Just using the book as the jumping point. Want to be good with the basics, especially preflop strategy.

First session of PLO went pretty good. Within the first 5 or so hands we tripled up winning a 3 way all in. Then we got down a couple buyins at one table not long after that.

I was playing big draws pretty aggressively and the deck wasn’t helping out. So I slowed down and stopped acting like a pro that can bully the table and tightened up my ranges and built pots on good draws and sets without going crazy.

I feel like I was taking really good advantage of position as well. Really helped my Redline.

When I felt I was the favorite on the flop either with strong draws or made hands I was making good bet sizings to play for stacks by the river. Had a little run good late middle part of the session. Got 300 hands in.

Tough game. Definitely tougher than Hold Em but I like it a lot. I can definitely see myself sticking with it and moving up in stakes hopefully. Got to build that BR.

This^ if u can beat like 100nl i think a lot of similar concepts translate over to PLO + some other things.

So i think u can avoid the micro PLO grind if possible and maybe jump into SSNL

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Tbh idk i feel like PLO at the micros is def beatable but not worth the time maybe only to practice.

In spite of the good results of this session I would be getting an expensive education moving 100nl, even 50nl. I feel like I need to climb up through the micros to learn the game before bankrolling a potentially losing player.

I know the play is going to change at the higher limits but I just want to become familiar with the situations (pre flop, board textures, counting outs, etc) before investing too much money. I burned through a lot of money learning no limit hold em before I actually became a competent player on to a small winning player. I don't want to make the same mistake again.

I definitely want to play higher stakes. I just want the confidence walking in the door. I don't have that now.

Nice results! What country are you from Lozgod?

USA

Decided to not play today. Going to wait until Saturday night/Sunday. I want to have 1000 hands in by Monday and will probably find fishier opponents over the weekend.

Reading more of The Big Game Strategy and going through the link provided by isolated. Picked up a notebook and going to put on paper my preflop strategy before I go to bed tonight.

Based on Position RFI, call RFI, 3 bet ranges, call 3 bet ranges, 4/call 4/5 bet ranges.

Get the foundation down.

gl! preflop PLO is annoying to study

For sure it is. Jeff Hwang simplifies it pretty well. As simply as humanely possible. Still complicated. Lol. Definitely good time investment. I see how much I was overvaluing marginal hands that are strong in NLHE and making too much effort to isolate with them.

Ship it! Finally after folding 29 hands in a row.

Hand History driven straight to this forum with DriveHUD Poker Tracking Software

PL Omaha $0.02(BB)
EP ($2) [VPIP: 29.6% | PFR: 7.4% | AGG: 20% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 27]
MP ($1.23) [VPIP: 34.5% | PFR: 14.5% | AGG: 41.4% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 55]
HJ ($2.68) [VPIP: 41.2% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 33.3% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 17]
CO ($2.78) [VPIP: 40.4% | PFR: 6.4% | AGG: 19.5% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 162]
BTN ($1.42) [VPIP: 64.4% | PFR: 24.4% | AGG: 31.7% | 3-Bet: 10.5% | Hands: 91]
SB ($1.88) [VPIP: 30% | PFR: 10% | AGG: 30.8% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 30]
HERO ($2.75) [VPIP: 27.7% | PFR: 17% | AGG: 33.7% | 3-Bet: 7.7% | Hands: 11825]
UTG ($1.77) [VPIP: 25% | PFR: 0% | AGG: 20% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 12]

Dealt to Hero: A Q 6 Q

UTG Folds, EP Folds, MP Raises To $0.07, HJ Calls $0.07, CO Folds, BTN Calls $0.07, SB Folds, HERO Calls $0.05

Hero SPR on Flop: [4 effective]
Flop ($0.29): Q 5 T
HERO Bets $0.21 (Rem. Stack: 2.47), MP Calls $0.21 (Rem. Stack: 0.95), HJ Folds, BTN Folds

Turn ($0.71): Q 5 T 2
HERO Bets $0.51 (Rem. Stack: 1.96), MP Raises To $0.95 (allin), HERO Calls $0.44 (Rem. Stack: 1.52)

River ($2.61): Q 5 T 2 2

Still plan on doing this. Waiting on ACR to get the fast fold right. Want to put in lots of volume and I’m not good enough at the game to play exploitive poker so standard tabling is no edge for me.

Looking for volume and fast fold action to avoid boredom while playing. Sticking to ABC rigid preflop strength and position. Last night did some reg tabling vs a bot free donk population and was being dealt junk for dozens of hands in a row. Stuff like QQxx double suited EP started looking good and the bad play followed.

Mix a little run good with zero bots and lots of fish and it’s shaping up to be a good session.

Doing pretty well so far since I started this. Only have 2251 hands because of all the issues with ACR. Early on I was learning the game and moving from a Hold Em to a PLO player. Ran really good and played really bad. Last week or so I tuned my game up. Stopped getting my stack in on draws and started focusing on getting to showdown.

I can say I am a winning player to this point. Hopefully repeating these results 50 more times I will still be able to say that.

Current winrate is 11.31bb/100

GL man, after you figure it out we can discuss your coaching rates

haha. Sure!

Really need to get the Blitz going. I am playing very value heavy ABC PLO because the ACR tables are loaded with so many fish right now without the bots. Good hands are getting action but the constant folding preflop causes boredom tilt and I have to call it a session because I see my play slipping. When Blitz was working I had 3 tables going and didn’t get bored whatsoever because more playable hands were coming sooner and my winrate was pretty good. I could play solid and didn’t have the boredom eliminate.

Anyway got in almost 300 hands today (seems like my threashold) and played pretty good. Got it in bad a couple of times early overplaying set and AA once but finished strong.

78.26bb/100 for the night. Bad variance stay away I’m on a roll. Let me get my BR up before you show up as you inevitably will.

I'm fortunate enough to have access to zoom games, but hang in there mate! It'll be worth it.

I envy the PokerStars players. Best software out there for sure.

Hands from Monday to Friday. Really liking PLO. Moved up in stakes to 0.02/0.05. The tables are just too juicy to stay at 0.01/0.02. BR is up to $70. Looks like bad BR management on paper but I’m currently winning at 31.43bb/100. I’m a little over EV so I can take some credit. More credit to the fish out there. Couldn’t do it without them.

An interesting note, small sample so far but I am winning 157.88bb/100 from the button which is expected but I am killing it from the SB as well. SB is 64.65bb/100. MP is 154bb/100. BB, EP, and CO are all losers. I need to start giving more attention to the CO. CO is -146.55bb/100. I’m doing something wrong maybe. Could also be the deck but the rate just seems to high to be losing in late position. I also need to see what I’m doing in the SB (Hand selection, aggression, etc) that’s working so well.