How do u consider that interaction between those two getting yourself into an interesting moral dilemma?


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100% say something. Doesn't matter how big a fish they are. He's treating the dealer like **** because he knows they can't talk back unless he says something really bad.

mind your own business and let the fish do what he wants

im guessing that was sarcasm

Some interesting comments, glad to see the general consensus is to stick up for the dealer.

The moral dilemma for most people would be "do I do the right thing and stick up for the dealer here or do I say nothing and allow a man in his 40s who's just trying to work to be bullied and physically threatened and made to feel like **** by a rich old man who is gonna be dead in a few years anyway in the hope that I can win a few hundred bucks off of him?"

Thought that was obvious tbh.

Trollololol

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Aight so the above happened (and I cannot stress how utterly pathetic it was from P, the dealer chucked a couple of chips towards P and they fkn touched his fingers and he went mad). The dealer is understandably taken aback and calls a floorman. P is seat 2 and I'm seat 3. The dealer is continuing to deal and understandably shaken up and has shouted floor a couple of times. The casino is super busy so I stand up and see a floorman standing with his thumb up his arse and bellow "FLOOOOOOOOOR!" As floorman is coming across I go over him and say "look you've gotta stick up for your dealer here, S2 is way outta line." Floor comes over and he's a wee Mexican guy who has shown himself to be spineless a few times in the past. He comes up and P is shouting about how the dealer has always done this to him because he hates him and is jealous of him. The dealer explains what happened, shows the motion of him chucking 3 yellow chips in the direction of P and then the floorman nods his head and actually turns to P and apologises on behalf of the dealer for what happened. I'm sitting there going "no no no that's nonsense" and P is rambling about how the dealer hates him. The dealer honestly looks like he's about to cry with frustration and yells at the floor that he's gotta stop this because it's been going on for about a year. The floorman is standing there mumbling at P about how he's right and the dealer is in the wrong and the dealer is shouting at the floor about how he can't take it any more and I just felt so sorry for the dealer. I then ask the floor if I physically threaten the dealer am I allowed to stay in the game as well. Floorman smiles and closes his eyes and doesn't reply and I call him spineless.

Soooooooo the game moves on and P is visibly livid (the old ****) and so am I and the whole table is like awkwaaaard. P limps a couple of times and I raise him with garbage to a size I know he won't call and he folds and I show him my cards and am like "look, seven high, good fold." I did this a couple of times and tipped the dealer $10 twice and said "Here it's P's money, you can have it." P obviously understands what's going on now and starts to bluff into me and show me and is ****in raging and I'm just sitting there loving the tension between us like "please god one time let me stack this old ****er."

So a couple of orbits later and P gets it in on JTA and the turn is a T and they get to showdown and the other guy shows JT and I start going to the other guy "what is that? A FULL HOUSE? NICE HAND, WOW A FULL HOUSE!" and I slap the table and congratulate this wee Chinese kid who barely speaks any English and probably doesn't know wtf I am saying and P is livid (but mainly livid coz he lost the pot) and rebuys. I say "Justice!" a few times for extra funsies. P wins a few pots and is like "when this guy over here (motioning to the JT guy) wins a pot there's a song and dance but when I win won nobody cares." So then I get stacked and P slaps the table and shouts "justice!" and I'm just like alright fair play you old ****er you can give it as good as you get.

Sooooooooooo then a few orbits later and P opens to 35 in HJ and I 3b J7dd to 125 and he calls. Flop is KJ3fd. He x I x. Turn is a 7 which brings two flush draws. P bets like 60 into 250 and I raise to 300. He drills it in for like 1k total and I take a few seconds and say a very quick prayer to the gods of poker and justice and call (not a slowroll, legit took 5 seconds max). The river bricks off and he stands up and holds his cards over the muck which is normally a sign they've got it and he goes "what do you have? I called you." and I just sit there completely silent and motionless and he eventually turns over his hand. He's got JTo. I take a biiiiiiiig deeeeeep breath and lean over the table and look at his hand, and look at the board, and look at his hand and say "what is that?" and the dealer (different dealer) goes "one pair - jacks?" and I go "two pair? he's got two pair?" and the dealer is like "no, one pair" and I go ahh okay, and turn my hand over. I then look up and beam at the old **** and go "two pair!" and he is looking at the board and I slap the table and go "YES! TWO PAIR!" and he starts to bustle about grabbing his jacket and **** and I go "justice!" and he ****s off into the night and the whole table is abbbbbbbsolutely loving it. The guy to my left who is the kinda guy who's like 46 and has played poker for fun all his life but has recently discovered what the word 'range' means turns to me and goes "I was rooting for him, I wanted to stay in the game longer!" and I'm stacking chips and go "that's an awful attitude, I'd rather the old **** got stacked and left the game after threatening a dealer." and the guy is like "oh uh erm yeah i mean I'm so glad he's busted but er I er I just meant I wanted to win his chips first before he left" and I just went "ok good luck."

I'm well aware that my behaviour was petty as **** but honestly **** that guy.

That's pretty hilarious, wp gazzy

Hahahahaha had a great time reading things lmao

lol!!! your behavior was fine, more than fine, it was great! lol!!

i probably wouldn't have been able to think of this in the moment, but you should have called over a different floorman, just like when a floorman gives a terrible decision on a ruling, you call over a different one.

Haha, excellent update. It really is petty as ****, but is also 100% absolutely what I would have done in the situation. I also tend to scorch a lot of bridges with people in my personal life, because I have zero tolerance for people like P, so take from that what you will.

Can you estimate what is your VPIP in the live games?

****ing love it tbh

principles over $, way to go gazzy

+1

**** that old ****, he deserved every bit of that

Is it pretty normal for most casinos in the US to just let P's behaviour slide?

Also noteworthy the dealer was claiming that this has been going on for over a year.

I was at the table for some of this and genuinely thought gazzy was struggling to read the board and was seriously about to muck to J10o lmao I was like... he has a jack...jack...

Also to add to this old dude P - him and I got it aipf 3k pot AKo vs AKo and he 4 flushed me and had to sit there and listen to him complain about how badly he runs for next 2 hours.

Edit: apart from employees being spineless at times, fish and whales do get special treatment solely based on them providing action to the games - for sure wrong but that’s the reality of live

P.S. watched him eat a steak with his bare hands while playing - not even joking

lmao 70yr old man is my new hero

Excellent update! Screw that old geezer, he sounds like the kind of animal to eat a steak barehanded. Screw the floorman too. Half of them just stand around and do nothing.

There's an $1100 buy-in 10k cash satellite tomorrow starting at 5pm. I'll be there, you should too. Easy money.

Making the game fun, having morals and sticking up for the underdog is so much better than placating the rude fish because "don't poke the glass". F that noise.

I think we're all chasing that feeling we had when we first fell in love with the game, I know I am, and you seem to be bringing that feeling back when I read your thread.

Kudos

Nope, just at the Commerce.

What an absolute ****. you should have slowrolled him muuuuch harder imo!

Oh my god, I love this so much! The JT vs J7 hand is absolutely brilliant and I would have given anything to see that old douchebags face. I am 110% agreeing with you, if you are rude and agressive to dealers then you are a piece of **** human being. He is probably rude to waiters as well...

With you on this Gaz. Too many people just sit there in situations they shouldn't for whatever reason.

lmao - how do you go and leave this gem as a PS afterthought XD

Also, Gazzy calling Indyref-No-Voters traitors to the nation... but he's never tried Buckfast ... urrmkay, sure...

Not gonna lie, given I've never set foot in Scotland, I think it's weirder that I have tried it tbh.

Loving the updates still!

so so enjoyable ahaha

For sure deserved. I once saw a guy whip his cards at a dealer. Caught me by surprise, I was like 22 (insert excuses) and I didn’t say anything. I think about it to this day when I read things like you did above and how I wish I would’ve said something. Gl to you