Okau my bad im sorry in that case you have to raise. It scream to me. That dhe has a nut flush draw that want to draw cheap... as he would not lead or use bigger size with the hands that beat you imo.

Yeah I would raise like always ott but something didn't feel right, he had 98 though

I almost never see people c/c flop donk lead turn at the micros so felt something was up

Should probably check back the flop but felt I needed some protection

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 126.5 BB
SB: 100 BB
BB: 439.5 BB
UTG: 142.8 BB
MP: 46.5 BB
CO: 444 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T T

UTG raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 7.5 BB, fold, fold, UTG raises to 20 BB, Hero calls 12.5 BB

Flop: (41.5 BB, 2 players) 9 7 8
UTG checks, Hero bets 14.5 BB, UTG raises to 35 BB, Hero calls 20.5 BB

Turn: (111.5 BB, 2 players) 7
UTG bets 87.8 BB and is all-in, Hero?


PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 122.4 BB
SB: 171.1 BB
BB: 101 BB
UTG: 194.6 BB
MP: 130.3 BB
CO: 74.2 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, MP calls 6 BB

Flop: (19.5 BB, 2 players) A T J
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: (19.5 BB, 2 players) 2
MP bets 14 BB, Hero calls 14 BB

River: (47.5 BB, 2 players) 5
MP bets 22.7 BB, Hero?


PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 57.5 BB
SB: 114 BB
Hero (BB): 121.1 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 115.7 BB
CO: 136 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2.5 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, SB calls 5.5 BB

Flop: (16 BB, 2 players) J 3 3
SB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, SB calls 5 BB

Turn: (26 BB, 2 players) 9
SB checks, Hero bets 12.9 BB, SB raises to 32 BB, Hero calls 19.1 BB

River: (90 BB, 2 players) T
SB bets 69 BB and is all-in, [b]Hero?]/b]


PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 102.5 BB
SB: 114.4 BB
BB: 332.9 BB
UTG: 45.1 BB
MP: 237.7 BB
CO: 109.3 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q K

UTG raises to 3.5 BB, fold, CO calls 3.5 BB, Hero raises to 14 BB, fold, fold, fold, CO calls 10.5 BB

Flop: (33 BB, 2 players) 3 Q 5
CO checks, Hero bets 10.4 BB, CO calls 10.4 BB

Turn: (53.8 BB, 2 players) 8
CO checks, Hero bets 18.5 BB, CO calls 18.5 BB

River: (90.8 BB, 2 players) T
CO bets 66.4 BB and is all-in, Hero?


PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 100.5 BB
SB: 104.3 BB
BB: 102.3 BB
UTG: 102.6 BB
MP: 109.1 BB
CO: 105.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 9

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) A 9 8
BB checks, Hero bets 1.7 BB, BB raises to 5.1 BB, Hero calls 3.4 BB

Turn: (15.7 BB, 2 players) 7
BB bets 12 BB, Hero calls 12 BB

River: (39.7 BB, 2 players) Q
BB checks, Hero bets 19.7 BB, BB raises to 82.7 BB and is all-in, Hero?


PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 105.4 BB
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 160.8 BB
UTG: 106.2 BB
MP: 68.7 BB
CO: 147.3 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K A

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, fold, MP calls 9 BB

Flop: (25 BB, 2 players) K 9 8
Hero bets 7.9 BB, MP calls 7.9 BB

Turn: (40.8 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero bets 12.9 BB, MP raises to 48.8 BB and is all-in, Hero?


PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 125.4 BB
SB: 101.5 BB
Hero (BB): 117.9 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 60.2 BB
CO: 107.9 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q

fold, MP raises to 2 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, MP calls 7 BB

Flop: (18.5 BB, 2 players) J 5 A
Hero bets 5.8 BB, MP calls 5.8 BB

Turn: (30.1 BB, 2 players) 9
Hero bets 10.5 BB, MP raises to 45.4 BB and is all-in, Hero?

Another day of just straight up losing, really can't get a break. My game feels really good though after watching a lot of videos and studying preflop ranges every day. Tightened my preflop ranges a bit and especially from the bb. Also improved my aggression in 3bet pots since I was a bit too passive before I think. Let's hope next month will be the turnaround

According to a variance calculator a 5bb/100 winner can get a 80 bi downswing which is insane, chance of that happening is low though

Today:



10NL so far:



After seeing the Pokersnowie analysis in another thread I also downloaded the free trial and imported around 3k hands, results:



Will check some of the analysis and see where I might have some leaks

Hope all of you have an insane heater next month!

a ton of hands here, i wouldn't list more than 2 or 3 at a time going forward is it's easier to remember and respond for idiots like me

we don't know each other so you should know i'm a former live cash game player who played mostly 25/50 with larger games when table was soft who dabbled online up to nl200 pre black friday and nl50 when i went into it again post black friday - I haven't played seriously in over a decade so easily the least knowledgeable person commenting itt and someone who's unaware of current meta - it's very possible I'm giving terrible advice here so take any commentary with a big grain of salt

seems like theme of these are "does he have JT?"

Given your exact holdings i think we're seeing a pure bluff or a boat here quite often and it's a cry fold imo


i think this is a call, you block the straight and backdoor flush bricks

never folding here, this is bvb, him raising it makes a 3 unlikley other than A3s which is impossible since you block that fully so the 33 here counterfeits any 2p he has here in your favor, he played it hard from the start, maybe has JJ here but i think mostly you win this comfortably


donking here to me reads like he's worried about you checking back his flush, at nl10 i think you're now at the stakes where you gotta respect river donk shoves when the draw hits




BB would 3! AQ type hand here but JT is highly probable, especially given how aggressively you've played it's unlikely he believes you're bluffing and he's pushing for max value

given how much you have committed and that action is capped here i think you just gotta call it off and pray


same as prior hand imo

Yoooo Thom, was definitely a very interesting read, love to see the progress so far. Subbed and will make sure to follow you along on your journey! Best of luck my man!

Thanks a lot guys!

Rickroll in the AA hand he's also donk shoving river when the draw hits, feels like 99 or a flush pretty often to me, and very rarely 33 or JJ, also I don't block diamonds.

And yeah I think my opponents have JT often haha, about the # of hands I agree but I face too many tough spots unfortunately


John thanks my man! So far only backwards progress results wise haha, but I've improved a lot in a short time so I guess I'll have to put the volume in and the results will come, I've never been results orientated but it sucks to be only straight up losing since playing 5NL+. Will drop by the stream again soon!

good point about donk river shove, didn't consider that, i do think though that in bvb he's going to blast off here often with, you see a lot of K7 vs Q4 pair vs pair for stacks in bvb in the micros

agreed these are tough spots, but this is why i got mad respect for playing these stakes, that's my own major leak, i can't play these steaks and treat them seriously, i can look at them from afar and advocate folding most of the time but if i were playing those I'd likely often say "f it, it's just $4, I'm calling"

Okay I will first start with the buddy talk.
You got the discipline of learning. That' the more important. You have a lot of experience in jhow o approach the game. And overtime it will show. As you will improve passed the learning curve.
Now I felt the urge to comment
H3: I think its more of a fold river. As I think V reprensent either Flush. Or 3x. As is main value. Since a lot of micro preflop charts are 3B A3 pure from your position. And we still have some flush ourself. + the rare instance our vilain find this type of line as bluff. Mb its fold.
I think with charts that dont 3B A3 pure. But have some K3s mixed at some frequency. Its a even tougher spot. And maybe now the AA with suits becomes call. Food for thoughts.

Just scrolling thru the hands. Such all sick spots it's insane! Dont tell me it's same session? My god on the third river shove. You must have been loosing your mind. Been a while I played zoom. I have ptsd just thinking back at it!

I understand what you mean rickroll but most people at the micros play pretty solid and especially when going allin for a full stack I've rarely seen really crazy moves except a couple at 5NL. I also always view the game in big blinds so every stake feels the same for me.

Skull the hands I post are always from one day and this were only like half of the hands I marked, also some hands I don't mark because they're more standard.
But yeah I have pretty good tilt control but so far I get pretty annoyed playing cash but because I still play at stakes where the $ don't matter that much to me I can shrug it off pretty easily, looking at my graphs sucks because I look like a huge fish though haha

When I move up to like 25nl I'll start off by playing regular tables I guess, so far I just played zoom to play a lot of hands in a short time to learn

Just played 356 hands and lost 4 BI weeeee

I don't care, laughed it off, depositing more and keep playing

Hand from yesterday where I c/r bluffed otr for like the first time since playing cash, vs a reg, thoughts? Think I should do this while blocking the flush though but felt I like a good spot

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 142.2 BB
SB: 103.9 BB
Hero (BB): 100 BB
UTG: 115.5 BB
MP: 149 BB
CO: 245.6 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 K

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 2.3 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.3 BB

Flop: (5.1 BB, 2 players) T A A
Hero checks, BTN bets 1.5 BB, Hero calls 1.5 BB

Turn: (8.1 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: (8.1 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BTN bets 7 BB, Hero raises to 27 BB

Down 6.5 bi in 1313 hands today but still smiling, gotta love the poker gods

Really wanted to fold turn here vs a bad reg but couldn't

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 183.8 BB
SB: 104.5 BB
Hero (BB): 101 BB
UTG: 172.4 BB
MP: 79.8 BB
CO: 96.9 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A A

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, SB calls 6 BB

Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 9 4 6
SB checks, Hero bets 6.5 BB, SB raises to 21.6 BB, Hero calls 15.1 BB

Turn: (61.2 BB, 2 players) 9
SB bets 15 BB, Hero calls 15 BB

River: (91.2 BB, 2 players) 8
SB bets 58.9 BB and is all-in, Hero?


Guess this is always Q9 huh

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 111.2 BB
SB: 188.3 BB
BB: 151 BB
UTG: 152.8 BB
MP: 85.8 BB
CO: 169.4 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 K

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) T 5 8
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (5.5 BB, 2 players) 7
BB bets 4 BB, Hero calls 4 BB

River: (13.5 BB, 2 players) J
BB bets 9.7 BB, Hero raises to 29 BB, BB raises to 144.5 BB and is all-in, Hero?


This should be a 4bet but w/e

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 180.7 BB
Hero (SB): 104.7 BB
BB: 232.9 BB
UTG: 101.8 BB
MP: 178.4 BB
CO: 187.8 BB

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T T

fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB raises to 9.5 BB, Hero calls 6.5 BB

Flop: (19 BB, 2 players) 3 6 4
Hero checks, BB checks

Turn: (19 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BB bets 12.1 BB, Hero calls 12.1 BB

River: (43.2 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BB bets 13.6 BB, Hero?


Can we ever fold to this minclick?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 104 BB
SB: 260.7 BB
BB: 121.2 BB
Hero (UTG): 125.9 BB
MP: 55 BB
CO: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 Q

Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 2.5 BB, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (8 BB, 3 players) 7 5 6
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (8 BB, 3 players) K
BB checks, Hero bets 4 BB, fold, BB calls 4 BB

River: (16 BB, 2 players) T
BB bets 7.7 BB, Hero raises to 25 BB, BB raises to 42.3 BB, Hero?


Ez fold because now 87 got there also?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 124 BB
SB: 101.5 BB
BB: 106.7 BB
UTG: 154.9 BB
MP: 29.2 BB
CO: 161 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 9

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 2.5 BB, fold, BB calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) 8 8 3
BB checks, Hero bets 1.7 BB, BB calls 1.7 BB

Turn: (8.9 BB, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero bets 4.4 BB, BB raises to 15.9 BB, Hero calls 11.5 BB

River: (40.7 BB, 2 players) 7
BB bets 25.9 BB, Hero?

AA I'm jamming flop, K9 I'm just calling (and you can fold vs the 3b), TT yeah 4b pre but snap call otr as played, Q9s snap calling, 89o snap calling unless it's vs a ridiculous nit. In the 89o hand you went for a weird half-pot sizing ott (which could easily have induced something random) and he's not even going particularly big otr. Wouldn't worry about these spots.

Thanks for the GL on my thread. Think I might be a little shortsighted to skip over the cash PG&Cs here so will start by working through yours this weekend and see what I can learn from you. Had a quick skim through it for now.

And these cash hands you just posted reminded me why I hate cash. I have no idea what the best line is or where to even start. Been running different ideas through flopzilla for the first hand trying to work out what are the better decisions - and i've not made much progress. Something I did notice, and is a problem I think I have, is explained in the following:

I think you need to cbet bigger for value with the AA and 98o hand. Probably the Q9s utg too. Otherwise it's cheap for players to x-r or draw (they'll still draw anyway) and put you in tough spots on turns and rivers when draws come in due to awkward pot sizes. You also get little value when they x-r-f, miss draws or have a non-drawing hand and would have paid the bigger sizing. Kind of hurts you on both sides.

Then it probably feels like, because you are not winning, you need these hands to get value so you bet smaller to keep worse hands in and pay you. You also don't want to build a big pot and make an even more expensive mistake. But if you are getting more value from opponents with worse hands, it makes the tougher spots easier to just muck/play safe and worry less about the odd mistake.

Hope that makes sense. Would love some thoughts on this from yourself and others though in case there is some big reason that I'm missing for not betting bigger or if my thought process is just wrong. I'm going to go and ruminate on this for a while now and see whether I need to do more of this early in tournaments lol.

Ty for the feedback! I think the hands you want to snapcall might be snapcalls at your stakes by at the micros it's a little bit different I think.
Q9s hand he had nut flush, 89 hand he had 33

Hey man ty for the feedback! I think 1/3 pot bets are pretty good in these spots, especially in 3b pots. Maybe the AA hand could bet a little bit bigger otf yeah but I think it's fine. on a 883 board in a non3b pot anything bigger than 1/3 is too much imo, even 1/4 bet gets a lot of folds. People just fold their t9o j9o etc to a 1/4 pot bet. Also in tournaments you should bet 1/3 or 1/4 a lot to pick pots up cheaply.

Edit: you bet these sizings also with an 8 on 883 so you can cbet your 10/J/Q high the same way and get lots of folds

Yeah well generally the answer is that it's pretty much always player-dependent, but readless we can't do much else, sometimes you just lose. Poker's gonna be insanely tough for you if you're always struggling with calling another 17bb with the third nuts.

What I meant by that you shouldn't worry too much about these exact hands is that this isn't where you're losing money (your thought process in these hands makes me pretty certain that you play big pots fairly well). Just looking at your redline it's a pretty clear indication that you should be focusing on small/mid-sized pots some more instead. Gl

Yeah that's true, the redline thing is partially true I think, but I have ran into so many top of the range hands when I had a strong hand so I think my redline isn't this negative in the long run

No comment except I played 5k hands wooptiefckingdoo



No cash tomorrow will review a ton of hands and continue the runbad in mtts

subbed bro, GL

Went through some hands with Skullkid and BobbyPeru, so far no major spews but I should play a little tighter/careful oop postflop, Nana is going to check 9k of my hands tomorrow to find some more leaks.

Ty mate you too!

Weird stuff happening today, not used to this but can get used to it I guess



Lost the same amount in mtts though

Haha dont take it psychology as surprising. You worked for it. Do I bring the run good? GG MAN!

You always bring the rungood huh, can't remember what you said in John's stream, it is known or something right?

Nice work dude. Graph looks solid. Study starting to pay off now hopefully.