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02-21-2018 , 12:06 PM
This reminds me of how much it would suck to try to start a business in a 3rd world country.
02-21-2018 , 03:12 PM
I thought online poker was banned is aus. You playing on ignition or summin?
02-21-2018 , 08:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mahsjdi
I thought online poker was banned is aus. You playing on ignition or summin?
hes playing via the PM apps
02-22-2018 , 01:45 AM
Interesting thread.

GL meale.
02-22-2018 , 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by MikeStarr
This reminds me of how much it would suck to try to start a business in a 3rd world country.
Pretty much :')

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Originally Posted by mahsjdi
I thought online poker was banned is aus. You playing on ignition or summin?
As lucas said, Pokermaster.

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Originally Posted by Jaznin
Interesting thread.

GL meale.
<3
02-22-2018 , 08:01 AM
gl from melb!
02-22-2018 , 09:37 AM
Didn't realise you had a new thread running, man. Definitely in for this. How's the PIO study coming along?
02-22-2018 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by boaty
gl from melb!
Cheers man, always good to see more Aussies in here.

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Originally Posted by Kangal_
Didn't realise you had a new thread running, man. Definitely in for this. How's the PIO study coming along?
Yeah man, you haven't missed much yet though. :P Pio I've really not touched. I'm going to look at setting up a proper pio study routine tomorrow (my day off) and will run through a bit then.

Daily Update - Thurs 22/02



EV 10 buyin day today. Feels good man. I think I had maybe 1 or 2 10BI days on Stars over like a million hands? Think I would have raked like $500 today as well - I messaged my agent about rakeback and he said he does offer it but wants to see some volume first. Totally fair, hopefully we see that come through over the next couple months.

Couple hands to run through...

H1 5/10:

EP limp, CO 3.5x, Hero BTN AJo 10.9x, fold CO calls
Flop 25.9bb: TJ3
CO checks, hero cbets 15.5, CO calls.
Turn 56.bb: 5
CO checks, hero cbets 37.9, CO calls.
River 132bb: 8
CO donk jams for 32.2bb, hero???

H2 2/4/8:

2 MP limps, BTN raises 11.25, SB calls, BB calls, Hero in straddle w/ KK 3bets to 64.75, limpers fold, BTN folds, SB calls, BB calls
Flop 214: AA3
xxx
Turn 214: 9
SB leads 107, BB calls, hero? (each have like 0.65x pot behind).

BTW I found myself grinding it out to about 7 hours of Alle Farben today, in case anyone wanted any decent grind music. I have like 5 tables on 1 screen and then this playing on the second screen...



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So quite a decent day overall today. Some minor discipline issues towards the end but nothing I can't work on. Tomorrow is my day off. Sister's boyfriend has flown over from London - has an interview at a place 2 buildings over from me (spooky) and so we're going to go out to dinner/drinks with him tomorrow night. After that I want to grind out some pio stuff. I want to figure out an EFFICIENT way to study with pio. Kind of like one of the YouTube vids I saw of a guy who had a nice spreadsheet setup, a bunch of flops, and then his estimations of bet sizes and what frequencies each bet is etc. So I want to set myself up with something similar so that the time I do spend studying, is time efficiently spent. It's like 5:30am now so I imagine I'll pissfart around for a bit and then take myself out to breakfast at like 7am before sleeping all day.

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PGC Awards


So I had an idea that I wanted feedback on... At the end of each year, I recon it would be a cool idea if we dish out a bunch of awards to various PGCers and those who interact within the PGCsphere... The PGC community is super cool imo and even I think the EV of sharing your journey with everyone, regardless of how much EV you give up strat-wise, is EV well spent.

For instance, you'd have mame or mirage with the "TOTY" award (troll of the year), maybe dizzyqtp for biggest downswing, brokenstars for the "The Pro" award (to someone who goes pro obv) , Volume Degen (guy who posts year giraffe with most hands), Biggest Crusher (highest $ won), etc etc... Could easily do badges to appear on postbits in the PGC forum as well with a very simple vBulletin plugin.

Idk, just a fun idea to give people something extra to look forward to at the end of the year.

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That's all for me now folks, off to bed.
02-22-2018 , 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by meale

For instance, you'd have mame or mirage with the "TOTY" award (troll of the year), maybe dizzyqtp for biggest downswing, brokenstars for the "The Pro" award (to someone who goes pro obv) , Volume Degen (guy who posts year giraffe with most hands), Biggest Crusher (highest $ won), etc etc... Could easily do badges to appear on postbits in the PGC forum as well with a very simple vBulletin plugin.
02-22-2018 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dizzyqtp
hahahahaha
02-22-2018 , 04:42 PM
In for PCG Awards Seems super fun if we can figure some details of how it would work out.

Mike - most unorthodox?

Also, sick day dude :-)
02-22-2018 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by tellypl
In for PCG Awards Seems super fun if we can figure some details of how it would work out.

Mike - most unorthodox?

Also, sick day dude :-)
Ahah Holy fk I nearly choked on my breakfast. :')
02-22-2018 , 09:27 PM
Think I'd tend to play your AJo on 2 streets, bit bigger flop sizing and shove turn, but even with your current flop sizing you could have overbet shoved turn and it would be totally fine, as played I guess crying call river unless you have some sort of read that warrants folding

I'm folding kings without Ks there
02-22-2018 , 09:46 PM
+1. Think fold on river as played unless you've seen villain do something crazy. They'll donk some random 2p not just flushes. KK happy fold without FD.
02-22-2018 , 11:40 PM
This sht looks like an absolute gold mine.
02-22-2018 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Brokenstars
<3
^_^

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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
Think I'd tend to play your AJo on 2 streets, bit bigger flop sizing and shove turn, but even with your current flop sizing you could have overbet shoved turn and it would be totally fine, as played I guess crying call river unless you have some sort of read that warrants folding

I'm folding kings without Ks there
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Originally Posted by Nefirmative
+1. Think fold on river as played unless you've seen villain do something crazy. They'll donk some random 2p not just flushes. KK happy fold without FD.
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Originally Posted by Everest17
This sht looks like an absolute gold mine.
We sigh called off river in hand 1 and scooped vs AK. Hand 2, SB had JJ and BB had 88 and we WOULD have scooped the biggest pot I'd have ever played online. :')
02-23-2018 , 12:02 AM
edit, ye sorry misread. def call down there. H2 looks like an ignition hand, but you can't do much there.

Last edited by mirage01; 02-23-2018 at 12:13 AM.
02-23-2018 , 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mirage01
Shouldn't be checking turn with Aj on that board unless you enjoy giving free equity. H2 looks like an ignition hand, but you can't do much there.
Definitely didn't check turn. But ye very annoying 2nd hand.
02-24-2018 , 10:14 AM
Daily Update - Saturday 24/02



Decent day again today. Got into a 4.7kRMB pot with 55 on AJ5A vs AK and the mf spanked the river vs me but whatever.

Having a bunch of issues with H2N at the moment. It's not showing the correct results. Like the above SHOULD show about $600 net profit but is overreading for some reason... I've emailed support about it and I'm hoping they sort it out ASAP. Last session I actually only won like 1.7k and it read as 2.2k. I also seem to be "missing" a hand. Big hand I lost that doesn't appear in "last hands" or Biggest Losses on H2N, I'm guessing it's saved itself as an error hand. Either way, this skews results massively.

I don't want to keep posting inaccurate H2N graphs so I'm hoping they sort their **** ASAP. I definitely don't want to keep paying for this software that doesn't work.

Also last night was my day off. Caught up with my fam and sister's boyfriend who was in town from London - did dinner. The plan was to study some Pio afterwards but I got home at like 9pm and was absolutely exhausted (didn't sleep the previous night) and was falling asleep at the screen - so no study happened.

And then again tonight, didn't quite get the volume I wanted. Played like 5.7 hours instead of 8 hours. This was because a girlie asked if I wanted to go for the drinks at the bar below my apartment. For 95% of people who'd have asked me, I'd have said no. But I can't say no to this girlie. Anyway, did drinks for a bit and then came back and I tried grinding just now but reeeeeallly not feeling it. Prob not smartest move after 6 drinks anyway. So just going to go to bed early.

Sunday being tomorrow and the last day of the week, I want to finish strong. 8 Hours of grinding, gym, sun, and if I'm lucky, I'll try get some Pio stuff done. But if not I'm happy to try do that again next week.

1 Hand of Note,

5/10
UTG opens 3x, MP cold calls, hero overcalls BB with 89ss
Flop 12.7: 695
check, utg checks, MP bets 8.4, hero calls, utg folds.
Turn 29.5: 2o
check, MP bets 14.7, hero calls
River 58.9: 5o
check, MP bets 39.2, hero ???

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Also another annoying thing that happened today, I was dragging the bar to cbet around 1/2 pot when Minion stole the focus and snap-went all in because it was trying to buy in to another table at that exact moment. Guy called me with middle set. I bet like 800 into a pot of 80. Super annoying but I guess I'm grateful we weren't insane deep?
02-24-2018 , 10:23 AM
dont think call or fold matters very much if you are readless on the 89s, from the hands I played on PM it did feel like people were massively underbluffing the 3 barrel spots
02-24-2018 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Xenoblade
dont think call or fold matters very much if you are readless on the 89s, from the hands I played on PM it did feel like people were massively underbluffing the 3 barrel spots
Yeah and in general my Strat is to fold early and often. But in this particular spot, I guess I have a really good hand to call down with. All things theory say this is a very happy call down but then it comes back to how much weighting we put on theory when our population is massively under-3barreling.
02-25-2018 , 03:21 AM
Weekly Recap - Mon 19/02 - Sun 25/02

So my first week grinding Pokermaster is more or less in the books. A week ago today I set the following goals for myself for this past week...

[X] - 11,250 hands minimum - Killed this goal. I can't quite post a weekly graph because my volume this week has been split across two databases and it's a huge PITA. I think I did more like 13-14k hands. My hands per hour is much higher than I expected. Also stupid how H2N is outputting incorrect results currently. Working with support to have this resolved.
[X] - ONLY playing 2/4/8 or 5/10 non-straddle games (to continue developing population adjustments as cheaply as possible for a little while longer) - Yup, no worries here. Got into Suncity on all my accounts now so I can play a few more good 5/10 games. Having no issues finding 5 games at once.
[ ] - Produce 1 study/review video (hopefully) with a friend who also grinds PM. Basically this will look like me (and him) running through marked hands in the replayer, discussing lines, and PM adjustments - discuss the video with a potential coach, probably won't post that video here but not sure. - Putting this one on hold until my microphone arrives in the mail. Hoping that'll happen some time this week.
[X] - Gym 5x - Smashed it, think I did 6x this week.
[X] - Piosolver 5 flops on my day off and post results here - About to do this now! Will probably spend the rest of the evening mucking around with Pio and getting myself set up with a good Pio routine. Any suggestions on Pio stuff, please send em my way! Kinda overwhelmed with this thing atm.

So it was a successful week all-in-all. I won some money too despite running a good chunk below EV. Here's the graph I have for the most recent few days (since I started a new DB). Will definitely look to post weekly graphs in future that include all the hands!



Again, those numbers aren't entirely accurate. Some hands seem to have slipped through the cracks and then results are just generally a little bit out of whack. I also have to subtract 5% from winning sessions from this as well for rake. But at least the above gives an idea of how I'm running overall WRT EV and whatnot.

In future, I'll post the ACTUAL RMB results and the proper USD conversion with the graphs until H2N sort their **** out and have it doing its job properly.

Since Tuesday I made about 10,000 RMB which is about $2k AUD which is a decent enough start. Below is what I'm going to aim for for the forthcoming week...

[ ] - Maximum 1 day off/socialising... This past week I went out on Friday night and a bit last night which I definitely didn't need to do. I need to learn to say no to people when they hit me up to go out. I'm not yet sure what day I'll have off for the forthcoming week but it will be a max of 1 day only!
[ ] - Minimum 45 hours grinding. Basically, this looks like 8 hours a day, 6 days a week. Obv that's 48 hours so if I get to Sunday evening and have already hit the 45 hour mark, I'll enjoy a half day as I am today. This should look like a little bit more than 13,500 hands.
[ ] - Gym minimum 5x
[ ] - 10 minutes sun minimum every day
[ ] - Minimum 4 hours Pio work - do this either on day off or on Sunday evening, or both.
[ ] - 2/4/8 and 5/10 ONLY for the next week again - I'll likely continue doing this until A) my agent sorts out the whereabouts of a few of my previous transactions and I'm well and truly in the green and B) until H2N sorts itself out. I imagine I'll probbbably start mixing in some 5/10/20 games next week but I'm in no rush. Building a bit more of a sample at 5/10 is always nice.

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Hopefully we're able to bag another successful week and then look at the transition to 400NL next week. GL to all this week! (PS I'll do a Pio wrapup here shortly).
02-25-2018 , 08:26 AM
Congrats on finding yourself what seems to be a little goldmine

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Originally Posted by meale
Yeah and in general my Strat is to fold early and often. But in this particular spot, I guess I have a really good hand to call down with. All things theory say this is a very happy call down but then it comes back to how much weighting we put on theory when our population is massively under-3barreling.

Our call down range should also be tighter since he started cbetting multiway compared to hu.

Could also think about x/jamming river some of the time. I think 77/88 is probably a turn fold (or raise) so this may be the best hand to do it with.

Tough spot I'm not really sure.
02-25-2018 , 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by andees10
Congrats on finding yourself what seems to be a little goldmine




Our call down range should also be tighter since he started cbetting multiway compared to hu.

Could also think about x/jamming river some of the time. I think 77/88 is probably a turn fold (or raise) so this may be the best hand to do it with.

Tough spot I'm not really sure.
Yeah Pio says to call down or raise river like 20% of the time, granted that tree wasn't quite reflective of the exact spot.

Anyway, I folded river and villain had KTo with Th. Don't really expect population to spack out as much as this guy did but ye idk.

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Piosolver Session Review

So I've just finished up my first proper Pio session. First thing I learnt is that not being able to run scripts is a total *****. I was under the impression that the version I got was fully scriptable but apparently it isn't. I don't think the extra $300 is worth it for me rn to upgrade but will just manually do 5-10 flops during study sessions. The sims I've been running for 1% accuracy with fairly narrow ranges have been solving fairly quickly so I'm not too fussed.

So I decided I wanted to work on UTG RFI vs IP CC stuff today because that's a really high frequency spot I'm seeing a ton of on Pokermaster. Opening from early and then a loose/passive (sth like 57/6) will CC IP. Usually 2-3 other callers as well but for the sake of simplicity I obv just looked as if it was me vs 1 IP caller.

First thing I did was set up a spreadsheet with 10 flops. For each flop I estimated OOP's equity, cbet frequency, and then of that total frequency, what frequency I cbet 60% and what freq we use 75%. I picked these two sizings because they're my default bet sizings on PM. Although I'd really like to use a 1/3PSB sizing, population seems verry spazzy vs this sizing and so I think there's merit to just using more "standard" cbet sizing because they usually play more straight forward vs it. In almost all spots I looked at, Pio chose 60% sizing over a 75% sizing for flop cbet. So basically I've simplified it down to a checking strat and a cbet 60% strat and then deviating on textures where necessary. After I plug my estimates in, I'll solve the spot and then look at the actual numbers and put them into the spreadsheet and compare.

I don't think I gain much from estimating equities generally speaking. I think looking at hot/cold equity is more important and so I won't be doing equity estimates in future.

My main findings from today's session were:

On A53 flop, I thought OOP would be cbetting this at a high frequency but I learnt this is bad and that we should be checking range on this flop. The reason I'm guessing is because we simply have less Ax hands - IP cold caller will have all suited aces (we won't) and more offsuit combos. The next thing I learnt was that on a KQJ flop, we should be checking range as well. I thought we'd want to be cbetting range small but this apparently isn't so (at least not for the ranges I plugged in). I won't have the offsuit combos of AT, villain will. I also won't have the 9Ts, villain will. I also won't have offsuit combos of KQ, QJ, KJ where villain will.

So my gameplan for tomorrow is to pay particular attention to spots where I'm OOP UTG RFI vs an IP CC range. Hopefully I can get some boards like the above two and then consciously make the decision to check instead of bet - consciously doing something different. By actually implementing what I've learnt, I'll actually become a better player so I'm looking very much forward to that.

The other findings I wanted to highlight to myself were which boards I'm betting 100% frequency on and WHY. Of the 10 boards I did, below are the 4 that were 100% cbets.

Q52

Why: Because we have all of the suited Qx hands (minus QTs), and the 5 and 2 don't really interact very well with villain's range. We also have a higher density of strong Qx, overpairs villain doesn't have.

(btw if anything I'm saying here is completely wrong or I've missed out something important, please let me know. I'm largely still guessing).

973

Why: We have all overpairs, villain doesn't. Villain should have a ton of offsuit broadway combos they'll have to fold immediately (bit of a disaster if they float a bunch of them, part of the reason why I opt for 3/5ths psb sizing).

K74

Why: We have all the suited Kx combos as well as AK whereas villain prob doesn't have AK. We have less offsuit broadway combos like QJo AJo ATo etc that just have to fold.

J76

Why: We have all overpairs, v doesn't. We have less hands like A8s/A5s that just have to fold immediately and don't have the KQo type hands that also just have to fold. Again, not sure on this one, largely guessing.

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What I found real interesting was that even just from my first session, I am starting to think differently about ranges. I'm visualizing them more clearly with much more detail. For the KQJ flop, previously my thought process was nothing more than "we have all the sets, board is good, let's bet". But now I can look at it and think, well we actually have zero combos of the nuts on this board since we're not opening ATs from UTG on 9 handed PM tables and we don't open ANY of the offsuit combos. That's something that previously wouldn't have crossed my mind. Previously I thought we have an advantage when it came to the hot end of the equity distribution because we have more sets but now I have come to realise the massive oversight I made with regard to straight combos and how our overall strategy changes to reflect our huge deficit of nutted hands on this board.

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Plan for tomorrow, Monday 26th:

Get up prob around 11am-12pm, sun for a bit, either have breakfast at home or head straight to the gym. Gym will be leg day I imagine. Will look to get the platform shoes out and smash some deadlifts. Come home, post workout, and then start the grind.

8 hours volume tomorrow. With a particular focus on UTG vs IP CC ranges and trying to identify the two major spots I looked at today. I might put the card matrices of the two ranges below my tables while I play just as a reminder to make sure I get these spots right when they crop up.

Gl all for the coming week!

      
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