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Old 01-13-2018, 10:45 AM   #1
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Ex nit ringer turning to the dark side.

Hi guys,

Last few years has seen me take many poker breaks and the last 2 years has seen me virtually stop playing for one reason or another.

Came back in October and have faffed about playing $10nl full ring and 6 max at both Zoom and regular tables and basically ended up break even after 30k hands since then ( EV was 1.83bb/100 ).

I will be the first to admit ... Im not a great 6 max player and find the transition from full ring to 6 max a difficult one without much success tbh.

But ... I have no real desire to play full ring anymore and will just have to knuckle down and improve as a 6 max player and put the effort in required to do so.

There will be no more Zoom ... I will just play a max of 6 tables of $10nl 6 max with a bankroll that stands at around $326. ( although i have lost $11 of that already today )

My goals are as follows.

1 - Try and get to $750 before moving up to $25nl.

2 - Work on my game, post situations that i find cause me problems and post hands that i feel i lost my way completely

3 - Work on discipline, this is the one reason i do not play much poker, i just get frustrated and find reasons to not play when i have a few dodgy sessions.

4 - Enjoy the challenge that poker brings, its a long road after all.

5 - Play at least 40k hands a month, something im well known for failing badly at !

6 - Take a stack of Dev at $50nl if hes playing 6 max by this time.

Good luck to you all ...
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Old 01-14-2018, 02:59 AM   #2
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Re: Ex nit ringer turning to the dark side.

gl! 6max is the way to go, and I would say PLO is the dark side haha
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Old 01-14-2018, 11:58 AM   #3
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gl! 6max is the way to go, and I would say PLO is the dark side haha
Thanks Ch@0tic, I doubt you come from a full ring background mate so 6 max is scary enough for me

A LOT of things went wrong in the little amount i played yesterday, not only did i run poorly but i allowed myself to play poorly as well which is far worse.

Its not often i do that, i tend to quit a session if things are not going great but i had a spell towards the end were i played really badly tbh and that is not happening again.



Things im going to work on over the next few days as i reckon im struggling in game a little in these spots.

1 - Stealing from the SB when its folded to me.

I think im raising any two cards here and just getting owned when BB calls, im either check/folding or cbetting and giving up on the turn when i have little equity.

2 - 3 betting and facing a 3 bet.

I dont have much samples on anyone at the regular tables .. maybe 200 hands on one guy, so sample sizes to get any idea what they are 3 betting with is a issue but hopefully this will become easier once i put in some volume.

3 - Facing post flop raises.

Happens way more than full ring and takes time to adjust, again once i have more hands on opponents this will be one of the things i check up on.

4 - Cold calling preflop

I do not think im cold calling enough in spots were i think i have good equity against my opponents raising range, im 3 betting or folding too much perhaps so need to find a happy medium here for sure.

5 - Notes on regulars

Once i have a certain amount of hands on the regulars i will go through their hands and make better notes.

How many hands do i need to reach before i start checking their history i have on HEM2 ? .. I was thinking starting at 200 hands and then update after 500 hands and so on.

6 - Playing 6 tables might be too much but i want to get some volume and the idea of dropping to 5 or 4 is not that appealing but i will have another look at this if i find im being rushed too much when im facing touch decisions on numerous tables.
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Old 01-14-2018, 12:00 PM   #4
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Re: Ex nit ringer turning to the dark side.

Good luck
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Old 01-14-2018, 12:04 PM   #5
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Thanks Hurt, good luck in 2018 to you as well.
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Old 01-14-2018, 04:35 PM   #6
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Re: Ex nit ringer turning to the dark side.

GL man
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Old 01-14-2018, 08:34 PM   #7
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Re: Ex nit ringer turning to the dark side.

good luck, man!

btw, don't underestimate what you learned in FR. I think you're taking a wrong approach to the transition from fullring to 6-max: it's basically the same game, you shouldn't fight for pots as much as you think.

This is my advice for you:

Basically there's only one skill that is required for one to be able to beat the micros: explo folding. You can run really crazy bluffs, valuebet thin, open loose, open tight, play very passive or don't valuebet super thin, but if you're making the right folds, you will almost always be +EV there if you're playing a somewhat reasonable strategy.

Just give them respect and fold, even on 100z people are just so nitty. And this is coming from the loosest reg of 100z/50z, in theory everyone should try to play as aggro as they can vs me and still I don't find much resistance on most spots, people basically only make moves with the nuts.

Some examples of how nitty you should be vs some players:

https://www.boomplayer.com/26506526_C1D6645614

https://www.boomplayer.com/26487959_ADC3C4555C

https://www.boomplayer.com/26284717_CA966F7AC4

https://www.boomplayer.com/26167129_E8E9F22EEF

https://www.boomplayer.com/25925816_FC52292B41

Basically you're auto-making money vs these players, they're always calling you off on those "cooler situations" and you're avoiding them. Also they're not bluffing ever, so you're realizing a ton of your equity.


VAMOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Old 01-14-2018, 09:34 PM   #8
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Re: Ex nit ringer turning to the dark side.

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good luck, man!

btw, don't underestimate what you learned in FR. I think you're taking a wrong approach to the transition from fullring to 6-max: it's basically the same game, you shouldn't fight for pots as much as you think.

This is my advice for you:

Basically there's only one skill that is required for one to be able to beat the micros: explo folding. You can run really crazy bluffs, valuebet thin, open loose, open tight, play very passive or don't valuebet super thin, but if you're making the right folds, you will almost always be +EV there if you're playing a somewhat reasonable strategy.

Just give them respect and fold, even on 100z people are just so nitty. And this is coming from the loosest reg of 100z/50z, in theory everyone should try to play as aggro as they can vs me and still I don't find much resistance on most spots, people basically only make moves with the nuts.

Some examples of how nitty you should be vs some players:

https://www.boomplayer.com/26506526_C1D6645614

https://www.boomplayer.com/26487959_ADC3C4555C

https://www.boomplayer.com/26284717_CA966F7AC4

https://www.boomplayer.com/26167129_E8E9F22EEF

https://www.boomplayer.com/25925816_FC52292B41

Basically you're auto-making money vs these players, they're always calling you off on those "cooler situations" and you're avoiding them. Also they're not bluffing ever, so you're realizing a ton of your equity.


VAMOOOOOOOOOOO!
theres 500$ worth of coaching
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Old 01-15-2018, 03:24 AM   #9
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Thanks a lot, good luck to you to.
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Old 01-15-2018, 03:45 AM   #10
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good luck, man!

btw, don't underestimate what you learned in FR. I think you're taking a wrong approach to the transition from fullring to 6-max: it's basically the same game, you shouldn't fight for pots as much as you think.
Thank you for taking the time to post this, its much appreciated.

I think its a common issue for a full ring player to initially over compensate the aggression factor when he switches to 6 max, i doubt im any different

Im glad you have pointed out its ok to fold in many spots, its easy to start thinking your bluffed at when your probably not.

I agree that a lot of players at this level just do not fold when the roles are reversed because i already have quite a few examples of this.

Next step for me is just to start playing more regularly and building up some volume and re-evaluate every so often.

Im started watching some random video last night which was about a guy spending a hour or so going over a $10nl player's database and pointing out were he could improve ...only watched the first 15 minutes but his advice on cold calling ... especially from the blinds was fascinating so im looking forward to watching the rest of that today.

I notice in the hands you posted that you 3 bet KJs but cold called with QQ vrs a UTG open, is this player dependant or something that is fairly common ?
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Old 01-15-2018, 09:12 AM   #11
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I notice in the hands you posted that you 3 bet KJs but cold called with QQ vrs a UTG open, is this player dependant or something that is fairly common ?
Vs different players you should play different strategies, my standard is to 3-bet KJs vs UTG(and if you're 3-betting KJs you are 3-betting QQ).

But vs a very tight range that will 4-bet you 40% of the time(and you're 3-bet-folding QQ), it's way better to just flat pre. Vs some players out there it's better to have only KK/AA as a 3-bet range vs them lol.

They're really a small part of the population ofc, but there are tons of "regs" with nit stats for fullring playing 6-max and a ton of people just get it in with AK/QQ vs them and say it was a cooler.

In the AKs hand I didn't even VPIP, it was like an insane action pre: nit opens(and I wasn't even 3-betting the first nit that opened, was just flatting AKs in the blinds), then a nit 3-bets, then a nit overcalls lol.
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Old 01-15-2018, 09:31 AM   #12
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Thanks for this Rapidesh ..
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Old 01-15-2018, 06:19 PM   #13
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Re: Ex nit ringer turning to the dark side.

Heard some rumors about this thread so checking in.

Good luck, hope it works out for you.

I think the more involved you are in Poker the more motivation you have to play, so updating this thread should keep you on track.

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6 - Take a stack of Dev at $50nl if hes playing 6 max by this time.
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Old 01-16-2018, 03:14 AM   #14
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Re: Ex nit ringer turning to the dark side.

That gif reminds me of a poker player i used to play against back in the early days that was always friendly and chatty .. we used to sit on the same Tribeca tables and just enjoy a good chat and have some fun.

The days when a 12/10 was a very solid eagle type player !

His alias was Bert ... so if your still out there Bert ... hope your well my old friend !

Not had the chance to play any more poker due to work commitments but should have everything wrap up by tomorrow and then ill knuckle down to some poker volume.

Did watch more of that poker video .. im basically way under defending my blinds .... defend with nearly 50% of my hands to a button raise .... really ??
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Old 01-16-2018, 04:18 AM   #15
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Re: Ex nit ringer turning to the dark side.

Hey Hap_Hazard. Good luck with the challenge! I have been tempted to start one myself but i am probably a tad to lazy to maintain it right now.

I have recently moved up to 25nl this month where i may of got a bit excited when i was suddenly started beating it for 21bb/100 over 8000 hands.

I quickly decided to take a couple of buy in shot at 50nl (Bad mistake). Anyway if you want to talk strat or anything poker related sometime then throw me a PM.

All the best!
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Thanks for the offer mate, much appreciated.
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so if your still out there Bert ... hope your well my old friend !

Did watch more of that poker video .. im basically way under defending my blinds .... defend with nearly 50% of my hands to a button raise .... really ??
I am sure Bert sheds a tear every night cos he misses you too

Your defense % vs BTN open is gonna be different from the SB than it is in the BB. It is also gonna be different depending on the open size and who the villain is and how wide he opens.

I should have got you the Janda books for your xmas.
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Old 01-19-2018, 03:20 AM   #18
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I should have got you the Janda books for your xmas.
You do more than enough for me with your poker advice mate .... but yeah you really should have got me those Janda books for Xmas !
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Old 01-19-2018, 03:33 AM   #19
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Re: Ex nit ringer turning to the dark side.

OK .. lets get party started, not played for days but definitely going to play some today.

Been watching some poker videos and making some good notes so now have to transfer this to the tables.

Ive decided to drop to 4 tables and concentrate on improving my overall game and put into practice some of things ive watched lately.

This is completely alien to me ... always want to play as many tables as i feel i can cope with and just seem to end up mashing buttons and not really getting anywhere.

Im blame Ch@0tic for this idea, reading his thread has made me realise there are better and more productive ways of going about things so im going to try and follow suit.

My hands per hour will drop but strangely my volume is likely to increase.
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Old 01-19-2018, 01:55 PM   #20
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haha gotta stop posting my habits, inb4 i see you at 200nl
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Old 01-22-2018, 11:20 AM   #21
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Re: Ex nit ringer turning to the dark side.

Im off and running .... or walking even.

Spent days going over videos and did not want to play until i had finished my notes and stuck it all on Word.

Went over just about everything.

4 tabled for the first time and played 337 hands in 54 minutes .. ended up down 37bb but EV was +87bb .. mainly losing all in preflops with JJ and TT vrs AK and A4 to fishy types.

But overall ... quite happy, stole quite a few pots i would not have bothered previously so the next step is some kind of volume and see how it goes.

Good luck all.
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Old 01-22-2018, 04:44 PM   #22
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Day one of new routine done.

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Old 01-22-2018, 06:49 PM   #23
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Re: Ex nit ringer turning to the dark side.

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OK .. lets get party started, not played for days but definitely going to play some today.

Been watching some poker videos and making some good notes so now have to transfer this to the tables.

Ive decided to drop to 4 tables and concentrate on improving my overall game and put into practice some of things ive watched lately.

This is completely alien to me ... always want to play as many tables as i feel i can cope with and just seem to end up mashing buttons and not really getting anywhere.

Im blame Ch@0tic for this idea, reading his thread has made me realise there are better and more productive ways of going about things so im going to try and follow suit.

My hands per hour will drop but strangely my volume is likely to increase.
I hate mashing buttons randomly as well, yeah it's so hard to visualize ranges on the go when multi-tabling like 6 tables+ you just gotta know spots aka do a lot of off-table work + experience.

IMO i think zoom is better then multi-tabling reg tables if ur going to put in volume, but if reg tables vs zoom tables not that much diff i think zoom is best option unless reg is softer or what not.
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Old 01-23-2018, 05:14 AM   #24
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Re: Ex nit ringer turning to the dark side.

Ive tried 3 or 4 tabling 6 max Zoom and found 3 to be way better for me personally.

3 tables of Zoom looks like double the amount of hands at least compared to 4 tabling the normal tables but Zoom tables are far nittier.

I use TST and i doubt ill have many problems finding 4 decent tables at the regular tables so would expect a better earn rate ... would i get double the earn rate of Zoom ? ... only time will tell.

4 tabling will at least give me time to focus better and hopefully improve my game as i go on.
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Old 01-29-2018, 04:16 AM   #25
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Re: Ex nit ringer turning to the dark side.

Hello everyone.

Not had the chance to play much since the 22 January so not much of a update.

Made yet another switch but this time ill give it a chance , Ive been dabbling with playing 2 Zoom tables.

Slightly more hands than 4 tabling the regular tables but ample time to try out things and improve my game.

Not running particularly great, been stacked 4 times in the latest graph with AA vrs a set, flush over flush, AK vrs QQ all in preflop and AK ran into AA preflop so all pretty standard really.

Think i have a slight issue with what to do when i flop second pair OOP as the PFR, im tending to double barrel too much without improving equity on the turn, need to look into other options against unknowns.

Main issue so far is volume but i will address that in February and hoping to put in my biggest volume ever, will be able to evaluate better after that month.

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