h2 - they were
h4 - i think you mean especially if the 7h isn't already otf? She doesn't have any 7x in her range anyway.
h6 - agree
h8 - $50 seems a bit small but agree we can size down here

Will be getting session #2 in tonight - Friday night games are usually very good so hopefully we can get into the black for the challenge

Alright boys and girls - session 2 is in the books and we are in the black. Games were awesome as it was Friday night and I ran really really good. Let's get to then hands (some of which I am sure I will get flamed for). There were a lot so I may end up excluding some of the more standard/smaller ones.

Drove to the casino right after work and got in as they were starting a brand new 2/5:

h1: folds to me; raise 8x8s 15 BTN; sb 3b 50; i call
($100) Flop: 552ss; he cbet 50; I call
($200) Turn: Ksss; x x
($200) River: Tssss he bets 55; I call and mhig vs 53o

well okay then...

h2: straddle; I open 77 35 UTG; 3 calls
($140) Flop: KT7dd x x I bet 100; only bb calls
($340) Turn: Ao I jam for his last 400; he folds

awkward turn but not sure a smaller bet really accomplishes anything better than a jam with his stack size

h3: limp; EP opens 25; 4 calls; I call 56cc in bb; limper calls
($175) Flop 934hhc x x pfr cbet 120; folds to me...

PFR had 100bb to start the hand so he has 355 behind after he cbets...I can't really x/c vs his bet size and I don't think I have any FE when he bets that large 7 ways so i ended up just x/folding...made me feel like I should just be folding pre... but calling 20 more into what will be a 175 pot with 56cc seems like it should be profitable.

h4: raise 44 20 MP; next to act 3b to 55; I call (same guy that 3b me with 53o)
($110) Flop K55cc x 75 I call
($260) Turn 3o x 185 I call
($630) River 4ccc x x he announces A-high and we are obviously good

Sexy river we didn't even need

h5: 3 limps; I complete 55 in SB; BB raises to 30 2 calls I call
($120) Flop T95r; x around
($120) Turn 3dd; I lead 80; 2 calls
($360) River Kddd; I check; pfr bets 125; BTN calls; I fold. BTN wins with J2dd

Worst river; sad but correct x/f

h6: EP raises 20; 2 calls; I 3b AJhh 100 BTN; BB cold 4b to 300; pfr folds; one of the cold-callers goes all in for 225 total; I call
($865) Flop A85r; BB jams his last 400; I call
($1665) Turn/River; Brick/Brick he says I'm good - I show and scoop both pots.

I probably need to just fold pre to the 4b...at the time I was really unsure. We are getting a pretty good price and I had been pretty active in pots/with 3b so far in the session (just taking it down pre) and BB looked like a guy who could be wider than normal here...I figured with the protected pot + being in position I could over-realize but that may be too optimistic. Very lucky to flop a pair here and have him spazz into us. He didn't show so not sure what he had

h7: 2 limps; I raise 43ss 25 BTN second limper calls
($55) Flop A45r x x
($55) Turn Add; x; I bet 15; he raises to 65 I call
($175) River 6o; He bets $165 I call and MHIG

I actually did not see the villain that called pre limp into the hand...I thought I was iso-ing only the first limper who is a super easy to play against/fit-or-fold mawg. too my surprise I get called by v2 who I didn't even see limp lol but it worked out. He is a young asian kid - I was pretty sure he was just attacking my small sizing...doubt he has too much Ax that limps pre and we block 44/23s

h8: 3 limps I raise 40 AKo; same asian kid 3b BB to 125; folds to me I 4b to 285 he calls
($585) Flop T63r; he snap donk-jams for 750 and I fold.

Pretty dumb jam by him (he said he had QQ idk); I pretty much just snap off QQ+ and fold my air. Not sure I like my 4b/size here tbh...


disclaimer: this next hand is really really bad posting it to shame myself b/c calling large river bets is one of my leaks.

h9: open 3x3h 15 BTN; same asian kid 3b bb 50 I call
($100) Flop J22hh; cbet 50 I call
($200) Turn 5o; he x; I bet 65; he calls
($330) River 4hhh; he leads 350; I tank call and lose to 88

No idea what I am doing calling this river. Sososososo bad. I'm so low in my range I just leveled myself when he lead river for that size but I doubt he's ever bluffing here. Really weird for him to show up with 88 here...made it even worse.

h10: limp; I raise AsQc 25; BB and limper call
($75) Flop Ah7x5h; x x I cbet 50 both call
($225) Turn 8o x x x
($225) River To x x I bet 145; BB fold; Limper call MHIG

h11: open JxJc 20 UTG; 2 calls
($60) Flop Q45cc x; I cbet 35; call; fold
($130) Turn To; I x; he bets 60 I call
($250) River 9o; I x; he bets 120; I call and MHIG vs 86o

h12: EP opens 20; I call A3dd BTN
($40) Flop A24r (one d); he checks I check back
($40) Turn Tdd; He bets 45; I call
($130) River 5ddd; He bets 80; I raise to 380; He tank calls AxKd

h13: I open J9dd 20 EP; (53o kid) 3b MP to 60; BTN cold calls; I call
($180) Flop K95ssd; I check; he cbets 120; BTN folds I call
($420) Turn 9o; check check
($420) River 4o; I bet 700; he tank folds (said he had AK)

at this point I was 1.6k eff with MP and 3k eff with BTN so never folding pre. Despite the 53o hand MP was playing pretty tight the rest of the session. OTT he is either pot-controlling AA/AK or has nothing; so figured I'd go for the overbet on the river. Pretty good fold by him if he actually folded AK...definitely didn't expect him to.

Also won QQ>JJ vs a ~400-450 stack AIPF and won ~450 with KK vs a guys 88 in a 3b pot.

Ended up playing for 7 hours and winning 3205

Flame away!

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10K Challenge Update
Sessions: 2
Hours: 13.5
2,823/10,000

I'm not going to say H4 is spewy... but...
H6 defo fold to the 4bet, doesn't matter that you're getting an attractive price because your hand is soooo dead equity wise vs the cold 4 range.
H8 I think the 4bet usually isos us vs a verrrry nutted range and they just fold worse hands. Unless villain is super aggro and you're happy to GII pre vs a 5bet
H9 I don't think is that bad at all tbh.
H11 I usually fold here but can see a call being fine
H13 not sure about what the optimal river size is but I like

Good stuff m8, glad you had a good session at last.

thanks mealey - don't disagree with anything you said except h9 river call not being that bad lol

Meh as you said, kinda ******ed for him to have 88 here. And hero calling is fun.

it's just pretty hard for him to have a bluff though. I was just so set in my head that he had AK/AQ when he x/c turn... oh well; gonna get owned sometimes lol.

MikeStarr asked me to post his thoughts on session 2 before I provide my input.

I've condensed his verbose summary into the following takeaway:



ps: he also stressed you should adopt his significantly lower SD to reach your full potential
pss: you were also demoted to apprentice in the mikestarr fan club

jfc really don't wanna do this at 4am but i'm playing all day tomorrow and currently lit up - ergo my reads are A-game quality.

R² of 2017 results vs. rungood

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Result: 87%

alright got that out of the day

h1: provide eff stacks. this is all live read tho. i like $15 on btn cuz we can call a reasonable 3! vs any (non-nit) stack size >80 BB. postflop looks fine you're going to lose that river a decent % of the time, tho prob not >82% of the time. plus river sizing is live-tellish as terrible friday night fish so nice call nh. more interesting spot is a river brick that he bets at various sizings. what do you do on a 6x river at 100/200, 200/200 and 300/200?

h2: nh wp. stack sizes are awkward on the turn and this is where i sometimes consider a mikey starr unorthodox line. like he's not going to call an overbet turn shove with a naked flush draw or QJ - so how do we extract additional value? now that we've thinned the field i would strongly consider a pot committed line of super small 125/340 or x back turn with the intention of call/shoving every river. i just think he folds most/all of his kx/qj/98/weak flush draws on the turn. you're only really getting called by Axdd when you shove there.

h3: i fold pre 80-90% of the time and 3! 10-20% of the time. we play these types of hands very differently but i am not a fan of playing them OOP in small SPR pots. as seen you get a top 5% flop for your hand and have no good option vs. a 100 BB stack. fish just rip it in there and get rewarded when they river the 2x so they never change but we're just bleeding money across every street playing 6-hi OOP multiway without initiative (relative position or not)

h4: this is all live read. turn call looks a little ambitious on the surface but h1 kinda widens him to [napkin,napkin] so can't fault a live adjustment. seems like he has history with you or has seen you open wide tonight and just monkey-adjusted by 3! anything he wanted to see a flop with, although i think he played it fine holding something like AQ.

h5: nh - maybe 90 on turn. this is a spot i have zero experience over betting but i wonder if PIO ever recommends like ~150-175 sizing on turn since parx-tards may way overestimate a hand like Axs thinking they have 15 outs.

h6: don't really like calling the 4! unless you are planning to stack off on every flop since SPR will be 0.5x and you are presumably calling because AJs > his range. like if flop is T62r w BDFD and he ships 400/845 you still need to be calling for your AJ equity alone if defending pre.

h7. why 25 as opposed to 30? you usually go 4x + 1 unless you're the btn in which case you go 3x with no limpers. *EDIT* saw you explained not seeing the aggrAsian limp up front. i wanna say tentatively that this was well played but i don't understand your reasoning for turn sizing other than to induce. i would lean either x back or larger sizing where you're just repping 99/88 etc. and folding out his equity. 15 is just super weird sizing where you're never folding better and giving odds to any flush draw or OESD which have 14-15 outs + phantom outs if non- 67s decides to bluff river 's. another question to ask PIO - my intuition would say 40/55 elicits folds while preventing airy x/r but who knows.

nice call on river tho. he is literally repping a handful of combos of A5s/A4s (which may not even x/r 4x+) / 55/44 (4 combos) and A6s. i love having blockers to the value hand villains try to represent in hands like these becuase they are just so far skewed to busted draws and air that if they stopped to think for 5 seconds after you b/c the turn they would just turbo muck the river first to act or x/f the moment you make a betting motion.

h8: i don't like your sizing at all here. maybe with AA/KK i would choose this sizing because i wouldn't expect many folds. this is like an exploit please-call sizing so you can stack whatever hand he is crushed with. as played SPR is 1.3x what are you gonna do on 2/3 flops you miss? if you just go something like 400-425 you can call his 5! shove or jam ~600/1015 on the flop.

h9: yuck. pre fine. i like either x back turn and calling any non A/K/ or betting turn and folding river. his range is super capped when he bets the turn so i think you can go bigger like 140/200 to fold out a lot of his AK/99/88 type hands. 65 is just telegraphing you are weak.

h10: nh. on the fence between b/f or x back and call or value bet any river. with two opponents and a bunch of paiir + straight draws out there i think i slightly prefer b/f turn. but bluff catching this river is so EZ game that can't fault it.

h11: nh. his sizing is stupid and puts no pressure on you. whenever i want to get called on the river i bet 1/2 PSB so mission accomplished villain.

h12: nh. i might raise the turn to try and look a little bluffy and get some calls from non-Ax made hands. he was actually ahead here which was a tricky flop x but in general i think we can raise for value (worse SCdd hands can b/c and get owned if we hit).

h13: i don't like the flop call. i just rarely expect the PF 3!'er to c-bet bluff a flop like this after he gets cold called by the BTN *AND* the original raiser. like maybe he's got one combo of AQ that he c-bets here but other than that he's just not turning JJ into a bluff facing this preflop action.

nice session couple of scenarios to look into as they are repetitive and could be an ongoing source of leak.

Im more interested in the 53o kid's results.

haha this probably should be my avatar.

also - I created the MikeStarr Fan Club. You have no authority to demote me.


1k eff - I wouldn't really expect any of his hands to bet large on a brick river but I guess this one might have. Facing a bet is kind of annoying but we can probably fold b/c people don't really take b/x/b lines as bluffs too often, especially in 3b pots.

Well QJ completes ott, which makes it even more awkward. Usually when people have 1 PSB left on the turn I just jam both my value/bluffs b/c smaller sizing doesn't really make sense but I was debating the benefit of breaking it up into 2 bets here. If the board was less wet I would do that but with a lot of draws I think jam is okay. x back turn seems pretty bad.

Fair - I was deeper with the rest of the table though; the pfr was the only one really that was short. I don't think we can squeeze pre here really since we will have to use a pretty big sizing which means we will be forced to call off if the pfr jams. I am not sure that x/f this specific spot on the flop makes pre wrong but idk.

ya I was mostly calling down due to his sizing in this hand vs his sizing/play when he flopped trips with 53. Ended up being correct but it's definitely on the lighter side of a call down

ya a little larger on turn is fine I'm sure. Once everyone x around flop after pfr x it's pretty hard for anyone to have anything (besides turning diamonds); I didn't want to bet too big to lose weaker hands.

Agree

turn is just an equity protection/induce spot when he never really has anything. maybe could have gone a bit larger. and yeah he's not repping much on the river

Agree; I was trying to do weird stuff with my 4b/sizing pre and I don't like it


ya this was spew obv.

Turn is close yeah I almost bet/usually bet in this spot tbh but went for the safer route vs 2 callers

ya

Did you see he bet over pot ott?

yea this is fair; flopping a pair + backdoors I went for the peel though. woulda been better if I was in position

thanks for your thoughts brahh

he was weirdly on the nitty side after the two hands where he 3b me. maybe he just 3b the first open at the table regardless of what he has to skew peoples' image of him. idk lol. I am not sure if I've ever played with him before or not.

GG is the current President of the MikeStarr fan club. He has the authority to demote you if he wants to!

I would never accept a demotion. He may be the president but I am the founder and CEO, as I championed the "MikeStarr Fan Club" fantasy football team to a third place finish in the 2017 LLSNL league.

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Woke up earlier than expected today considering I went to bed at 4am. I'm going into the city to drink today but I think I'm gonna stop at the casino on my way and put in a ~2hr session since I'm up.

Yah I misread h12 I thought he bet 80/130 on turn but that was the river. I’d just call the 45 too.

Nice unexpected quick session for session #3; played 2 hours +329; no interesting spots.

Glad I woke up early - now off for some beers. Will most likely be playing tomorrow as well.

10K Challenge Update
Sessions: 3
Hours: 15.5
3,152/10,000

H2: understand your reasoning but I think this size blows him off a lot of TP hands

H3: seems like the more I play the less I like small SC. Just get into weird shots esp in bloated pots which seems like pots are always bloated. Plus RIO

Don’t think 4 is bad at all. Against most vs hard to continue OTT though

H6: don’t think AJs is doing to well against most players 4bet ranges at 2/5

H7 & 11 wow ^_^

Great to see the Big session! Keep it up

As Chairman of the Board of The MikeStarr Fan Club, I submit that a majority vote is to be taken before demotions of any kind can proceed. GG might have to read up on the bylaws by the sounds of things...

Currently 2:02 AM and hero rolls into the casino in a drunken state.

Pray for me boys. I will report back.

Drunk hero prevails!!! 1.5 hours +1,260.

Sat at the only 2/5 game running and the table was deep and looked loose. Right away open JJ; get 3b; BTN cold calls; sb cold 4b (wtf). We flat and everyone flats.

Flop J23ss 🤑 X x I bet 200 2 calls
Turn Ksss guy who 4b leads 500; we call and CO folds
River 7o he checks; I go all in for my last 150 and he folds lol

10K Challenge Update
Sessions: 4
Hours: 17
4,412/10,000

Aahhaha what a hand. Good to see hero can still crush while drunk.

good luck

I call BS on how drunk you were. You're post looks totally soberly written.

Lol well to be fair it's not that hard when we flop top set

Thanks man!

Lololol I mean I wasn't blacked out or anything; just a normal level of drunk. I saw Johnnybuz at the casino so he can attest. Took my time writing the post in my uber home ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Also there was some kid trying to talk about blockers and ranges every hand at a wild 3am game where the entire rest of the table was recs. Smfh. I tried to needle him every time he opened his mouth lol.

People talking about blockers and other buzz words are almost always not very good. They read a book and think they are a superstar.