Totally disgusted.
I've watched my results after 12 days without watching them and I'm on a 27 buy'ins downswing.
I thought I was UP wtf lol

I'm totally demotivated. I spend hundred of hours working hard on my game and that's the results.
I'm down at 2,800 USD now and don't know what to do anymore, totally lost.

I think mby it's time to give up. Really really lost there.

I didn't expect this graph at all since I thought I was playing well, good A-game, focused on 2 tables max. wtf.

I wonder if you might be over-applying your newly learned theory in game.
At 50z I think there is still a **** ton of exploitative play that we can get away with.
If I had to guess I would assume that you’re stationing off too much in general when you could probably exploit fold more? Just guessing.
(I also station way too hard sometimes)
It’s weird that you didn’t feel the downswing without checking results so that’s why I’m guessing this...?
Sample is still relatively small though.
I bet you could find ways to improve your redline. I imagine that it’s possible to nearly BE or be slightly better than even with redline at 50z.

Oh man.. Totally understand this is devastating. Sub 30BI downswings are still pretty common though, and you should not be giving up. Don't worry about redline btw. During runbad both lines are usually sloping down. And a slight falling redline is no problem overall. Don't let variance fool you, but you should still go through hands and look for potential spew/leaks. Take this as a learning experience, because this will not be your last >20BI downswing.

I'm sure you beat the games by a lot. **** variance man.

subbed, gl OP

hope you run better soon.

Interested to hear how you thought you were up though? How many buyins in rake did you pay in that stretch?

listen to everything Xtra and Ship say for sure. Well at least wrt poker.

and never, ever, give up. Little cheesy but..

Xtra: ‘you could probably find ways to improve your redline.’
Shipnickle: ‘don’t worry about your redline.’
RTP: ‘definitely listen to what Shipnickle and Xtra say.’
Piolover: ‘...ffs’

Shipnickle likely knows better than I on this Pio as he actually has the data to study and I do not.

I'm just a fish. What I meant is that some crushers have positive redline over large samples and others slightly losing in non-sd. I think it mostly comes down to preference in spots where it's close between checking/calling or bet/raise. 200z streamer Tarolg has a positive redline (through micros until now), and what I notice him doing is taking the aggro line almost always in spots where I'm mixing. His flop XR is over 20%, because he XR almost all spots where I mostly mix. He also triples a lot of marginal/decent bluff combos pure where I'm mixing.

This made me laugh super hard, but I was actually being serious when I said to listen to you guys fwiw.

Wtf man I give the best life advice.

Pio... Whenever you face difficult times in life, you should start smoking and drinking. Sleeping 8 hours /night is a myth. Successful people sleep 2 hours and take naps while driving to and from work.

Thanks a lot guys it really helps.
I'll take a break and look at the biggest lost pots in my 20 000 last hands

hey, been lurking your blog for some time.

Very important thing to conciously acknowledge is that in poker theres no direct correlation between effort and result. Obviously easier said than done, but the sooner you try to rewire your brain to focus on progress the better.

30bi downswings are normal even for longterm 6bb winners (and thats very very high in todays zoom games), so nothing to worry about. Remember it doesnt matter how much you make this month, what matters is where youre gonna be in 3 years and that mostly relies on your hard work and dedication.

All of this is cliche i know, but always good to remind yourself. GLGL and absolutely dont give up!

I have had similar buyin-downswings as you before, although at a mix of nl100/200 with a 5bb winrate. Those happens, variance...When you aren't used to them they feel the worst. It's like all your confidence is gone. But as hopeless that it can feel for some time the good thing is that when you are starting to win again poker seems so easy again, so patience is key, at least for me. Keep studying(!!!) Imho it's always the hardest to play your best when you are going through downswings. So be honest to yourself that you are playing the best you can, not "pushing spots" etc. Not sure if that's an issue but for me it was.

Also, I have a close friend who plays in the 50z-pool and he says the game is really nitty. So you could also check for population-tendencies that could help.

If you want a higher wr normal tables would be better, but I understand if your challenge was zoom and your game develops more by playing zoom, getting more hands in etc.

Gl with the challenge.

SwedishMonkey’s entire post was very spot on, but this part should especially be noted PIO. This is what I was on about with redline as well. It’s almost as simple as pushing everyone around until you receive resistance and then backing off imo (population tendency wise).

Last two posts are A+.

this is exactly what happened to me back in june or july when i was playing nl5/10. i wasn't looking up the results on purpose for the reason that i thought it would have made me less results orientated. and each day i was thinking "i'm probably up a buy-in" "i'm probably break even today or winning slight" back in my mind i was reserving and part of me was thinking that i was winning even more then i was telling myself i was. after 10 days of playing my "decent game" i looked up the results and i was playing 0.4bb/100 or something xD. was winning like half a bi. i was devastated also by the graph. afterwards i lost what i had left at higher limits and quit playing.

please don't make the same mistake. now i don't know what's the reason behind your approach since i didn't read the previous posts but the point is / that when you trying not to be results-orientated you have to apply that to your strategy. hiding your results don't make your mental leaks dissappear. i also would suggest that look up for the results after each session. and brieffly analyze what you did right or wrong. quiting is not an option. if you losing 28 bis over 10 days it could mean pure downsing or there could be some leaks in your game which you don't realize since you are oriented on results. posts top 10/20 major bb losing hands so maybe people would suggest things that'll help you improving. if your bankroll would still allow you, move down to nl25 or even 10 and grind again by applying your strongest strategy.

poker could be ***** hard to deal with especially online and especially zoom. but if you believe that you can be winning player don't let that mistake ruin your future ev.

all the best

Hey man, I feel you struggle. In a very similar boat myself. But as others have said you have to trust the process. Unfortunately you don’t always see the results straight away from the hard work your putting in but over the long term Im sure you will. Just have to grit your teeth and grind through it trusting your playing solidly.

thanks to all of you it really helps guys!

Dont be to devastated, i myself had 2 20BI+ downswing in the last 100k hands at 50z. Just keep studying and result will come.

Hang in there man.

Sounds like you were expecting good results just because you weren’t looking at your results. Not checking results has pros and cons. It’s good because you don’t let the daily swings affect you mentally. It’s bad because of this. Especially if you’re not sure you’re a winner at a certain level, you’re going to want to hear what your results are telling you. Sure, seasoned pros have been on huge downswings and come out victorious without changing anything. But they are already proven winners, so mentally it’s easier for them to push through. If you're a pro with a winning sample who loses 30BI all of a sudden, odds are you're downswinging. If you're shot taking and you lose 30BI all of a sudden, odds are that the pool is beating you.

Did you change anything at the 15k hand mark?

Thanks man, no I didn't change anything

Post stats

I notice you like to mix reg and ZOOM tables. Did you increase the ratio of your zoom:reg table hands? If you’ve kept everything literally the same then this is a brutal swing either way.

no I'm playing only two zoom tables for several months now

Just personal preference I guess but I think you could tighten up utg and probably mp too. Playing oop sucks

Stats-wise:

1. Bit overconfident raising limpers from the BB no?
2. If people are 4betting you light at any capacity you're getting destroyed. Especially while you're on the button...
3. That "Fold to PF 5bet+" stat is a bit misleading. My stat is also at 15%, but then I filter for hands which I 4bet and it's much higher (and normal).
4. Your fold to 3bet IP should not be equal to your fold to 3bet OOP. Unless you're exploiting something.

Sick downswing man. Definitely gives some context for me in dealing with mine. Keeping grinding man!