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Old 10-09-2012, 12:58 PM   #126
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

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Only hand I think is iffy, preflop its a fold when it gets back to us imo?

When we flop a set, we are often going to be over setted. We have a nut dflush draw but with a SPR of 2 or so its not really viable to be proftiable???
Jub's right. Two big no-nos calling a 3bet are having an A (so you have one card dead against likely AA) or having a pair (fewer outs).

This hand has both of them going on.
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:05 PM   #127
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

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Yeah, I suppose. Still stuck with the lack of feedback problem, though.
Lack of feedback is what makes poker hard, and makes fish still play. That's why you have this thread. Do you have PPT? Do you play the "guess the equity" game?

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I am very aggro, and go in way too often (I think). Def getting lots of slow-players. checking back fullhouse on a wet board OTT is so standard at PLO10.
I hope you have notes on the villains involved...

Actually, slowplaying a full house is probably correct a decent amount of the time. There are only 5 cards left that matter when the board comes down, and you have have 2, leaving three. There's nothing to fear, the way a set fears a straight, a straight fears a flush and a flush fears a house.
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:52 PM   #128
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Lack of feedback is what makes poker hard, and makes fish still play. That's why you have this thread. Do you have PPT? Do you play the "guess the equity" game?



I hope you have notes on the villains involved...

Actually, slowplaying a full house is probably correct a decent amount of the time. There are only 5 cards left that matter when the board comes down, and you have have 2, leaving three. There's nothing to fear, the way a set fears a straight, a straight fears a flush and a flush fears a house.
I do play "Guess the equity" game (I use ppt.com). Normally play it while sweating someone or analyzing a hand. I'm okay at it. I've certainly overvalued overpairs in the past.. (dry AA** < pair+oesd+bdfd :O!)

I do a pretty good job with notes-- certainly better than the other decent/good players I sweat at PLO10. Def room for improvement here..

I think checking behind a FH on wet boards on the turn is a bad idea vs 90% of villains at these stakes. This is for 2 reasons, first, missing value (why check a FH if he's calling with a FD+SD?).. Second, balance (maybe not as applicable at PLO10.. but I hope to be done with PLO10 asap). For instance, if a flop is say J96css you bet with QsTs9*, get raised, turn comes 9c, the board is super wet, you check, he checks behind, you whiff river, he bets, you fold (he has JJ**/J9** always). He's missing value on the turn, and your almost always folding the river.

Balance is important to, or at least I like to think so.. Example; CO raises, you call the btn (wide range), blinds fold. Flop comes Js 9s 5c, he cbets 75% and cbets 3/4 pot... you should be calling with a wide range here, I'd personally call with any piece with the intention of outplaying him on the turn/river. If I have 95** here, I call, and the turn comes a 9c, he checks, I should bet. Checking is so bad here because I'd be betting ~80% when he checks, and ~80% of that time I'd have the worst hand and I'm hoping for a fold.


I agree with everyone in thread that calling a 3b 100bb deep with A299as is a mistake. For some reason I really enjoy calling 3bet's with a deuce in my hand (A299 is a terri-bad example, 89T2ds is bettar). ime, AA** with SPR <5 can never fold on a 2** flop.

I will try to avoid posting hands in the future that are clear black/white decisions.. unless they are bad beats/massive spews


Played quick session this morning. Few interesting hands;

Hand1:

Villain just sat down, first hand, no stats.

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 3 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $4.21
BB: $10.00
Hero (BTN): $12.36

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has 6 5 K K

BB raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.00, fold, BB raises to $3.10, Hero calls $2.10

Flop: ($6.30, 2 players) 6 4 4
BB checks, Hero bets $6.30, BB raises to $6.90 and is all-in, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($20.10, 2 players) 3

River: ($20.10, 2 players) 5

Spoiler:


I wasn't sure if the 3bet was optimal.. My plan was to get it in on any non-A hi flop.. but if thats my plan, I should just 5b pre.. Bleh..

Hand2:

Villain is 60/4, 19 ag freq over 200 hands.. classic fish.

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $9.18
CO: $7.52
BTN: $9.80
SB: $22.07
BB: $5.91
Hero (UTG): $15.29

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has K T 9 K

Hero raises to $0.40, fold, CO calls $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, SB calls $0.30, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($2.00, 5 players) K A 3
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.00, 2 players) J
BB checks, Hero bets $2.00, BB calls $2.00

River: ($9.00, 2 players) T
BB bets $2.01 and is all-in, fold

Spoiler:


This was pretty gross. River is close.

Hand3:

Btn is 30/15, 40 agg freq, so fairly TAGish reg..
EP is 75/0 fish, very passive.

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $11.40
SB: $9.90
BB: $23.70
Hero (UTG): $11.19

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has 7 K 9 J

Hero raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, fold, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.30, 3 players) 8 6 5
BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $1.30, BB calls $1.30, Hero raises to $4.00, fold, BB calls $2.70

Turn: ($10.60, 2 players) T
BB checks, Hero bets $6.79 and is all-in, fold

Spoiler:


I really liked this hand. I felt like btn would attack this flop a lot when I check, and I figured the fish would get stuck. Probably my favorite hand of the session.

Hand3:

Another hand I liked. CO has a 3b of 2.5% over 300hands.. BB is huge fish.

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $13.72
BTN: $3.20
SB: $16.75
BB: $10.70
Hero (UTG): $17.16

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has 7 Q K Q

Hero raises to $0.40, CO raises to $1.40, fold, SB calls $1.30, fold, Hero calls $1.00

Flop: ($4.30, 3 players) 6 3 5
SB checks, Hero bets $3.00, fold, fold

Spoiler:


Hand 4

Villain is 60/5 agg freq of 30 over 30 hands..

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $12.08
Hero (BB): $15.27
UTG: $11.14
CO: $9.00
BTN: $10.92

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has Q 2 T 4

fold, CO calls $0.10, fold, SB checks, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.30, 3 players) 3 7 T
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, CO calls $0.30, fold

Turn: ($0.90, 2 players) T
Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50

River: ($1.90, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $1.90, CO raises to $7.60, fold

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Felt like this was close.. maybe he thinks 33 or 77 is the nuts and is spazzing the river?
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:23 PM   #129
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

I haven't looked at the latest hands, but here's a question:

Which seats are you profitable/unprofitable in?

Obv, SB loses 50bb/100 by folding every hand, and the BB 100bb/100 by folding every hand, so even quite negative numbers there are fine, but what about the other seats?
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Old 10-09-2012, 03:40 PM   #130
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

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Hand 4

Villain is 60/5 agg freq of 30 over 30 hands..

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $12.08
Hero (BB): $15.27
UTG: $11.14
CO: $9.00
BTN: $10.92

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has Q 2 T 4

fold, CO calls $0.10, fold, SB checks, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.30, 3 players) 3 7 T
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, CO calls $0.30, fold

Turn: ($0.90, 2 players) T
Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50

River: ($1.90, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $1.90, CO raises to $7.60, fold

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Felt like this was close.. maybe he thinks 33 or 77 is the nuts and is spazzing the river?
im a nit and im never folding this hand i think
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Old 10-09-2012, 04:33 PM   #131
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I haven't looked at the latest hands, but here's a question:

Which seats are you profitable/unprofitable in?

Obv, SB loses 50bb/100 by folding every hand, and the BB 100bb/100 by folding every hand, so even quite negative numbers there are fine, but what about the other seats?
last 20k hands I'm 35BB/100 on btn, 14BB/100 in co, 5BB/100 MP.. -31BB/100 in BB >.<
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:12 PM   #132
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last 20k hands I'm 35BB/100 on btn, 14BB/100 in co, 5BB/100 MP.. -31BB/100 in BB >.<
Interesting. SB + EP? My sample size is much smaller but...

Hands: 2988
SB: +28bb/100
BB: +24bb/100
EP: -16bb/100
MP: -31bb/100
CO: +43bb/100
BTN: +72bb/100

So your BB is like my MP, except you're spotting me position, and a 1bb/hand edge. That's embarassing!
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:13 PM   #133
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

BTW, what is your flop and turn cbet % like IP and OOP?
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Old 10-09-2012, 05:16 PM   #134
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im a nit and im never folding this hand i think
Yeah, I think folding the second-nuts is pretty bad readless. I call, and hope to see an over-pair or AT. Maybe even a random straight.

Bear in mind, you only have to be ahead 33%.

Or did you have a read?
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Old 10-09-2012, 07:23 PM   #135
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Yay, get my money in bad all the time, win.
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Old 10-09-2012, 08:02 PM   #136
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Hand 1: did you limp the button? Otw how was BB the first raiser? OTF though I like betting something like 40% pot and folding to a raise. Unless you know hes a fish, I don't see him putting in the rest without a 4.

Hand 2: With his stack size I'd probably just shove the turn. That might be a leak but you can't really bet/fold with those stacks. River is gross, but I think its a fold.

Hand 3: gg

Hand 4: I'd like to hear your thought process on this one because I really have no idea.

Hand 5: As others have said I think this is a call, he'll have a smaller fh here plenty.
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Old 10-10-2012, 08:22 AM   #137
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Hand1: i don't really like the 3b unless i know he opens wide and if so what his 4b tendencies are. also, don't think the 4b call is +EV.
2: shove turn.
3: gg
4: gg, good spot to bluff
5: calling all the time with the second nuts versus fish.
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Old 10-10-2012, 11:31 AM   #138
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Hand1: He sat down, posted UTG, and raised. I just assume anyone who does that is a gamboool fish.

Hand2: Def not bet/folding turn, would have to bet/call

Hand4:This flop is great to bluff off aces. Since I have 0% equity, its a b/f. risking $3.00 to win $4.30. the 3bet nit is going to fold aces on this board unless he has 2 spades, and I'm ahead of the fish.. Only has to work ~42%, will work more often.

Hand5: I'm surprised on the responses on this one.. thought this was a good laydown with the second nuts. He snap pot raised me, I can't ever see that not being the stone cold nuts. Only thing that could make sense is if he is spazzing out with a flopped set.. meh.
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Old 10-10-2012, 05:39 PM   #139
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

Pretty crazy couple sessions today.



Got in tons of awesome spots, ran pretty bad.

Had a few interesting hands, I shall explain my thought process/analyze.

Hand1:

Villain is 60/30/9, 41 Ag Freq, peels flops light.

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $9.12
UTG: $23.95
BTN: $8.32
Hero (SB): $14.95

Hero posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has 7 9 2 T

UTG calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, Hero checks, BB checks

Flop: ($0.40, 4 players) 2 T 7
Hero bets $0.40, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.20, 2 players) 3
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.90, Hero raises to $3.90, BTN calls $3.00

River: ($9.00, 2 players) 7
Hero bets $4.50, fold

Spoiler:


My standard oop play here is to bet pot for value/protection. I went for the c/r here because I anticipated he would bet this turn with lots of his range. If he pots it (which I thought), I can almost get it all in with these stack sizes.

Hand2:

Villain here is 65/6, passive post flop.

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $16.37
SB: $17.26
BB: $2.08
Hero (UTG): $14.42

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has 8 T 7 6

Hero raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, SB calls $0.30, fold

Flop: ($1.30, 3 players) 9 3 2
SB checks, Hero bets $1.00, fold, SB calls $1.00

Turn: ($3.30, 2 players) K
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($3.30, 2 players) 5
SB checks, Hero bets $2.00, SB calls $2.00

Spoiler:


My checked the turn, not sure about this. I felt like he wasn't folding much he peeled the flop with. Perhaps its better if I barrel the turn to set up for a river bluff considering I have 0% equity. I tend to just give up vs lappy fish if the turn doesn't improve my equity and/or is a good barrel card.

The river I have T-hi and I wanted to try and get him to fold all 1-pair hands he called the flop with.. JJ, QQ, 4x, 3x, 9x. I never expect him to fold 2 pair, and I don't expect him to check a straight on the river. Given my objective and his fishiness, I thought $2.00 into $3.30 would work.

Hand 3:

Villain is 40/8, 35 agg freq.

So, loose passive.

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $10.02
CO: $8.64
BTN: $17.28
SB: $9.20
Hero (BB): $13.38

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has A J 3 3

UTG calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10, SB checks, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.50, 5 players) J 4 J
SB bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, BTN calls $0.10

Turn: ($1.00, 5 players) 6
SB bets $1.00, Hero raises to $2.00, fold, fold, fold, SB calls $1.00

River: ($5.00, 2 players) 5
SB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:


I liked how this hand was played until the river. His hand is face-up as J*** and I think he probably re-raises J6 on the turn, and donks J8 on the river. My AJ is going to be good very often here on the river and I can certainly get him to call with JK/JQ if I bet $2. Missed value here otr.

Hand 4:

This hand was really confusing for me.

CO is 25/9 with 45% cbet, BTN is 70/0 with 40 agg freq and bet sizing tells (weak=weak, strong=strong).

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $16.41
SB: $4.44
Hero (BB): $11.10
UTG: $9.83
MP: $8.70
CO: $10.42

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has J 9 T 7

fold, MP calls $0.10, CO raises to $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, fold, Hero calls $0.40, MP calls $0.40

Flop: ($2.10, 4 players) K 7 Q
Hero checks, MP checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.70, Hero calls $0.70, MP calls $0.70, CO raises to $5.60, fold, Hero raises to $10.60 and is all-in, fold, CO calls $4.32 and is all-in

Turn: ($23.34, 2 players) J

River: ($23.34, 2 players) 7

Spoiler:


Hand 5:

Villain is 30/8, 45 agg freq

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $21.77
SB: $13.57
BB: $11.41
UTG: $10.77
MP: $9.78
CO: $25.22

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has K J 3 A

fold, fold, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB raises to $0.50, fold, CO calls $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.60, 3 players) 9 8 6
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $1.25, fold, CO calls $1.25

Turn: ($4.10, 2 players) J
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($4.10, 2 players) 6
CO checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:


My original plan on the flop was to rep spades with the Ace.. however villain tanked about betting the flop, then checked. It was as if he had a strongish hand but wasn't sure if he should bet it or check it. When he check/calls I think he had 9JT, pair+spades, or a set. The turn I tanked and checked back. Figured villain is not folding a set or flush and I'm lost on the river if he calls. River came even more disgusting for me.. when he checked I tanked, but decided to check back. I wonder if the river is a bet here? Villain views me as aggro post-flop and has looked me up light in the past.

Hand 6:

Villain is 60/30/10, border line maniac. 19% 3bet from BB. Has donk potted the flop in the past in 3b pots with 2p, pair+nfd, generally strong holdings.

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $8.90
CO: $1.12
BTN: $13.82
SB: $14.18
BB: $42.75
Hero (UTG): $23.44

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has A 9 K J

Hero raises to $0.40, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to $1.30, Hero raises to $4.00, BB calls $2.70

Flop: ($8.10, 2 players) 8 T 6
BB bets $8.10, fold

Spoiler:


4bet pre is close, was going to 4bet fold to 5bet. This gives me initiative, and lets me know where I'm at. I figure he's only 5betting AA** (dont actually know this). However, maybe its best to keep the SPR medium when playing IP..

OTF, I got lost and made the safe play. Considered peeling flop and stacking off on any spade/straight turn, maybe bluffing diamonds if he checks. With stack sizes, didn't do it.

It turns out that I would have been better off playing this pot in a medium SPR (I could float the flop).
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Old 10-10-2012, 09:47 PM   #140
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Hand 5: don't bet that flop if ur not intending to continue on a spade! Don't think u did anything wrong in hand 6. Just have to let that one go. 4 bet is fine. Just a ****ty flop!
Evn though keeping spr high ip has its benefits I think u gain a lot of value from him having to get it in on pair+draw flops where u have higher pair + higher draw.
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Old 10-11-2012, 01:15 AM   #141
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Hand 5: don't bet that flop if ur not intending to continue on a spade! Don't think u did anything wrong in hand 6. Just have to let that one go. 4 bet is fine. Just a ****ty flop!
Evn though keeping spr high ip has its benefits I think u gain a lot of value from him having to get it in on pair+draw flops where u have higher pair + higher draw.
Hand 5 I was going to continue... but we have a dynamic. He knows that a stab at scary boards when checked to in position. My read was he had a lot of FDs/sets in his range would not fold that often (was in bluff catch mode). The real question here; is he folding the river enough to make triple barreling profitable?

If the pots $4.10, I cbet $3 and he folds 20%, calls 80%, then folds 50% of rivers when I bet $7.50, the EV is;

= 4.1*.2 + $7.10*.8*.5 - $10.50*.8*.5
= .82 + 2.84 - 4.2
EV = $-.54

These numbers are guesstimates, but.. probably -EV. Pretty sure stabbing here is +EV OTF assuming he is betting this flop with a straight or big draw.
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Old 10-11-2012, 02:04 AM   #142
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Id definitely agree theres a really high chance hell call u down if he knows u stab light a lot, i think i would have given up turn as well. But keeping that dynamic in mind, he prob wont fold much to ur stab and the CO could easily exploit it by check calling or check raising a lot. Exo facto, not sure if i like stabbing if they know ur stabbing light.
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Old 10-11-2012, 12:03 PM   #143
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

I'm gonna play some live NLH in this weekend. Gonna try and play 1pm-9/10pm today, may try day-game tmrw.

I'm going to play really slow. Think through my decisions for the first couple sessions. I seem to get my thoughts mixed up when first transitioning from PLO>NLH or NLH>PLO.

I vow to not make any bluff raises or big moves based on blockers.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:37 PM   #144
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I vow to not make any bluff raises or big moves based on blockers.
gl with this but I want to see this to believe it
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Old 10-12-2012, 02:40 PM   #145
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

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gl with this but I want to see this to believe it
I failed ran a nut flush blocker bluff, was suicidal. Lost 2BIs, played good except for ridic triple barrel with NFD blocker :| Should maybe give up turn, def give up river.. damn fishes. 6.5 hours, -$1035.


Played some moar PLO this morning. I've started adding a 5th table once I get familiar with the first four. Eventually I want to be able to multi-table to maximize $/hr. Managed to get in 546 hands making for one of the largest volume sessions of the month .



I'm on track for 21k hands this month. 9.3k as of now. With 5 tables and less live NLH, may be able to break 25k.

Played a couple hands from this session where I wasn't sure what was optimal;

Hand1:

Villain is 60/18 agg freq of 40ish, doesnt vbet thin, peels flop super light..

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $14.41
Hero (UTG): $18.72
CO: $10.00
BTN: $85.98
SB: $9.70

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has 6 7 5 4

Hero raises to $0.40, fold, BTN calls $0.40, fold, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.30, 3 players) 6 6 T
BB checks, Hero bets $0.70, BTN calls $0.70, fold

Turn: ($2.70, 2 players) 7
Hero bets $1.25, BTN calls $1.25

River: ($5.20, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BTN checks

Spoiler:


Not sure if betting near pot or c/r is optimal here.. I'm not sure if he calls with a straight on the river, probably does. I think if he bets and I c/r he calls it off with AA/TT. I'm def missing value if he somehow shows up with KK**.. His actual hand was dry aces and he checked behind to induce monkey tilt..

Hand2:

Villain is 75/30, 80% cbet, aggro in general over <50 hands.

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $21.41
SB: $13.52
BB: $1.20
UTG: $3.00
CO: $18.28

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has K A Q 8

fold, CO raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.10, fold, fold, CO calls $0.80

Flop: ($2.40, 2 players) 7 9 T
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.40, 2 players) 5
CO bets $0.60, fold

Spoiler:


I gave up on this flop, reasonable? Would probably stab turn if he checked.

Hand3:

I std c/f here all day. I'm wonder if I'm ever been exploited... or if this is just super standard.

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $25.33
Hero (UTG): $10.54
BTN: $10.13
SB: $23.43

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has 7 A A 8

Hero raises to $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, fold, BB calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.30, 3 players) J J 8
BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, BTN calls $0.80, fold

Turn: ($2.90, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.50, fold

Spoiler:


No history with BTN. New player.

Hand4:

Villain is 68/26, 50 agg freq, has taken down good spots with timed aggression.

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $5.40
MP: $11.00
CO: $10.89
Hero (BTN): $11.27
SB: $1.20
BB: $17.01

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has A T K 3

fold, MP calls $0.10, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, SB checks, BB checks

Flop: ($0.50, 5 players) 9 7 Q
SB checks, BB bets $0.50, fold, CO calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50, fold

Turn: ($2.00, 3 players) 9
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50, fold

River: ($5.00, 2 players) T
BB checks, Hero bets $3.00, BB calls $3.00

Spoiler:


I'm trying to fold Q***hh or KK** here. With all the straights and 9*** possible that he would c/c on this river, this is a spot where I should give up. We have good SDV vs the NFD (which is what it looks like he has). Also, he could be slow playing 99** or QQ**. Pretty significant -EV river bluff here.
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Old 10-12-2012, 05:52 PM   #146
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

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Got really drunk last night, went to buddies CD release party. Music was 6/10, defo had tons of fun though.

Watched a documentary called "The union" which is about the BC weed market. Market cap estimated at $7 billion dollars... Got me thinking.. Growing bud would be fun/profitable experience. Then, got stoned and watched a documentary on setting up a grow op for newbs. Then.. found the 2+2 for growing weed. :O !

Got home, played a few sessions of PLO. Ran really good, played meh. B/f'ing the turn like its my job. Got c/r'ed a bunch today.. will have to analyze if I'm leaking by b/f'ing too much... Anyways, giraphh for today;



Apparently still struggling to get my monies in good :\
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Old 10-14-2012, 05:18 PM   #148
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

First session today.



Has anyone else noticed patterns in my sessions? If you look at the last 4-5 graphs, in each one I seem to struggle at the start, then make a big turn around and quit. **EDIT: Holy ****, look at my last 10 graphs. Pretty much every single one follows the same pattern.

First session today went well. One hand I was pretty upset with;

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $12.67
CO: $24.45
BTN: $18.17
SB: $11.88
BB: $7.78
Hero (UTG): $9.80

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has Q 4 Q K

Hero raises to $0.40, fold, CO calls $0.40, BTN calls $0.40, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.40, 3 players) 2 2 4
Hero bets $1.00, fold, BTN calls $1.00

Turn: ($3.40, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($3.40, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.40, fold

Spoiler:


Villain is 90/40/10, agg freq of 50 over 200+ hands. In our recent history, he often will bet if checked to on the turn. I have bluff-caught him once with 2 pair.

I'm obviously going for the c/r on the turn. I never expect him to fold a 2, and he will probably call me with a FD.

When I get to the river this is a textbook example of a spot where I should have b/f'ed. I have a medium strength hand which is WA/WB against a aggro fish who will call me with worse. After I check, do I look him up on this river when he pots it? I think its close. I folded.

Overall, really upset about this hand, in real time I let out a rawrrr of small-bear like proportions..

Hand 2:

Liked this value-shove on the river.

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $11.03
SB: $29.70
BB: $11.83
UTG: $10.31
MP: $8.29
Hero (CO): $15.22

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has K J 2 A

fold, MP raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.30, fold, SB calls $0.20, fold

Flop: ($1.00, 3 players) T 5 6
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.80, fold, MP calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.60, 2 players) K
MP checks, Hero bets $1.75, MP calls $1.75

River: ($6.10, 2 players) 2
MP checks, Hero bets $6.10, fold

Spoiler:


Hand 3:

Really upset about this hand, too. Villain is 25/13, passive post flop. Is a reg and generally avoids playing pots with me. When he overcalls the 3bet I put him on BBBBss+, premium rundowns, or a double paired hand.

OnGame - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $21.01
SB: $9.90
BB: $18.58
UTG: $16.49
MP: $1.30
Hero (CO): $10.46

SB posts SB $0.10, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.20) Hero has 3 K K 3

fold, MP raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.40, fold, SB calls $1.30, fold, MP calls $0.90 and is all-in

Flop: ($4.20, 3 players) 2 K 2
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($4.20, 3 players) 5
SB bets $2.10, Hero calls $2.10

River: ($8.40, 3 players) 2
SB bets $3.00, Hero calls $3.00

Spoiler:


Easy raise on the river. He almost never shows up with 2*** given the action pre. He's always going to have 55** here... I missed out on 40bbs here..

So, winning with more regularity, but still making big mistakes. This is good news.
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

Just did a little bit of database analysis of my last 20k hands.

-I'm still overplaying QQ**. -1.75BB/hand. Big trouble areas are; I'm losing 3BB/hand raising QQ** non-ds behind limper(s). Losing most of my money on the btn with QQ**.

-Playing 88**-JJ** profitably.

-Losing UTG (0.13BB/hand). UTG stats are 16.8/12.0/4.5. Losing 1BB/hand whenever I limp UTG.

In the next few days I'll be looking to tighten up my UTG limping range-- close that gap to <3%. Going to start treating queens like 88**-JJ**.
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Do you do any kid of pre session warm up??
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