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Tried pulling a pretty big bluff in what I thought was a good spot.
straddle in sb, bb limp, fish limp, thinking pro limp(supposedly HustlerLA, had no idea until today), thinking fish limp, hero limps KQ78ddss in co, btn limp, sb checks.
Flop ($70)
Qc5c4d
check, hustlerla bets $60, fish calls, hero raises to $240, hustlerla puts in 140 (I'm pretty sure he thought I raised to $140.. somehow my bluffs are often destined to fail).
Anywho, I think hustlerLA probably has lots of 2 pairs maybe 30-50, some sets (but not much, seeing how I block QQ and he doesn't have much 44/55 that he limps in MP, so like 10-20%?), and lots of nutflush draws.
I also have a strong perceived range here, lots of QQ, some Ac6c7. Pretty much at the bottom of my range here having a Q+gutshot+BDFD.
Anywho, he probably folds like 30-60% here, and I have 40-50% vs his calling range, I'd expect him to rarely ever 3b the flop when we are super deep, but if he does I can just lay it down as I probably have <20% vs his range.
Anywho, I think its a pretty awesome spot. when in position deep with a nut gutter, backdoor fd and top set blocker.
Turn comes an offsuit ace which is the nut worst card as if brings a bunch of 2pair+fd combos and 1 pair+fd+gs stuffs. I still decide to triple, but my plan is foiled as he c/r the turn and claims to have had AcQ*c. If this is true I think his turn raise is horrible, I would probably only call with QQ, 25, or rarely AA, and will fold out all hands he dominates. Also, he folds out all bluffs(although, he probably thinks I have very few bluffs in this spot-- which is true).
Hi Tyler, Zach here. Firstly, you got the flop wrong. It was Qs4c3c not Q54. (remember 25 is the nuts on the turn). You may not have had a gutter which I think makes your bluff better because I think with a GS your hand is plenty strong to call flop.
Regardless, I like your bluff; it's good. I just made a good read and had a good hand.
I did have AQ+friends; you can safely assume if I made the play it wasn't horrible, it was most likely good. I don't mean that in a mean way although it prob sounds like it, perhaps just in a slightly smug way. Its likely worth thinking why I took that line instead of dismissing it as bad.
First off, I had AcQc75 which was TPTK+NFD+NGS. Flop b/c for me is really the only reasonable option. Turn was quite interesting. Offsuit A.
Your value range on flop is 33,44,QQ, maybe some Q4+draw hands. Just as you used your Q-blocker to rep QQ, I was aware that I blocked QQ, your main value hand as well. Additionally, you limped CO and you seem to play pretty TAG PF so i heavily discounted 44,33 combos. So I was already prepared to call some run-outs unimproved like a turn J river 9 for example.
I didn't assign many pure bluffs like the one you had in your range just because its rare for people to make these bluffs and I hadn't witnessed this from you. I didnt know you had this blog till tonight and yes I probably missed some valuable HHs of you barelling off while I was busy losing 30pts to somebody in fantasy land. I assigned your range to be more draw heavy.
hands like 567:cc for example. You mentioned in your 2nd post that you wouldn't bet hands like that on the turn which seems contradictory to your bet with your hand. You felt I had many 2pr hands on flop and some NFD hands. That turn although bad for your range is worse for mine. All Q4, Q3, type stuff will probably x/f. If you think my range became too strong on that turn to bet 567:cc type stuff you should probably be giving up on zero equity bluffs given the higher success rate required.
Turn is bad for your flop value range and you still potted when checked to. You probably still do that with sets but at minimum Q4 hands are checking turn. You could have 52 for the wheel which was a legit concern of mine but you again dont have many 25 combos that you limp PF unless it was A25 with a nut suit for a wheel wrap. You would only be rasiing flop with A25 with FD and prob flat naked A25. I hold both the 5c and Ac so its hard for you to have A25:cc I concluded. Based on PF you are likely to have more 567X combos.
So my decision became do I xc and let you barrel river or do I c/r. As I mentioned I didn't expect you to have no-equity bluffs like you did, I thought you had more semi-bluffs. Also, you potted turn which I think is a mistake with a range that contains b/f's at that SPR. Your turn bet was right about $600 and IIRC you had like 850 left after the bet. I didnt expect you to b/f often at that SPR and if you did have a bluff I wasn't convinced you would barrel river. I opted to get value from your draws and if Im behind I have still have 39% equity vs your value range (33,44,QQ,25).
Last edited by HustlerLA; 04-09-2014 at 05:29 AM.
