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03-24-2014 , 04:16 AM
hehe.

Lost sport bet freeroll.

1.25 moar hours online (4 total), ending bal 7040. Will make a withdrawl this month for everything in excess of $5k. Will continue grinding plo200 and taking plo400/600 shots with profits.

Hoping to get in 5 hours online tomorrow, not counting on live game starting (its been dead in LA PLO land).

Did a bunch more real estate research today. Tampa market looks way better than vegas/baltimore/socal as far as cap rates go.. Read a blog from an ex-poker player turned real estate flipper.
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03-24-2014 , 05:10 PM
Cool that you're doing real estate work. Tampa seems like a great choice. Worth it for me to play PLO on Bovada for profit / increasing live PLO skills? (Disclaimer: New PLO fish to the field!) If you feel like some travelling, I'll be in Florida 3/29 - 4/16. Have room for another if you want to road trip back north with us and hike Mt. Mitchell on the way!
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03-25-2014 , 02:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ECGrinder
Cool that you're doing real estate work. Tampa seems like a great choice. Worth it for me to play PLO on Bovada for profit / increasing live PLO skills? (Disclaimer: New PLO fish to the field!) If you feel like some travelling, I'll be in Florida 3/29 - 4/16. Have room for another if you want to road trip back north with us and hike Mt. Mitchell on the way!
Real estate stuff is intriguing.

Uhm yeah, even at PLO50@bovada if you play ABC nitty okay poker I suspect 5bb/100 is do-able for a someone with good fundamentals. Refer me as a friend when you sign up. I get to print monies, costs you nothing. That plus some 1/2 live will have you at a good level pretty quickly.

I'm gonna have to pass on Florida, for now. I'll likely be there sometime in the near future. I'll be considering leaving Vegas early if the WSOP PLO action is weak.

Done pokers for the day. Played C+ game, 4 hours. Made a huge mistake calling a potsized bet on the river with a bluff catcher when my range is capped and villains is uncapped. I always talk myself into calling these bets but the pot sized bet is just such a reliable from non-regs as a nuts line. *Sigh*. Still had a small win on the day-- Ending bal 7306

At 131.75 hours on the month. It's gonna be a close call for 160 volume goal.

Listening to more biggerpockets (real estate stuff). I think a fixer-upper where I live/learn to do some basic repairs will be a good way to enter the market. Based on my research, tampa seems to have the best returns for a lower price entrance. Tons of foreclosed properties. Houses going in the 40-60k range have monthly rents of 800-1k. (~25% cap rate).

Tampa is good because I can live/fix up/play live PLO. I'll almost certainly have to hire a general contractor to do some work if I buy a distressed house. I want to learn to do the small stuff, though.. Floors/walls/paint. Would have to hire someone @ $40-60/hr where I'm pretty sure I can learn this stuff, sink $100-200 in equipment and be at a somewhat competent level after a couple tries.
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03-26-2014 , 06:53 AM
So much pokers today. 4 hours online, 8563 ending bal
5.9 hours live, lost 3950.

Tried pulling a pretty big bluff in what I thought was a good spot.

straddle in sb, bb limp, fish limp, thinking pro limp(supposedly HustlerLA, had no idea until today), thinking fish limp, hero limps KQ78ddss in co, btn limp, sb checks.

Flop ($70)

Qc5c4d

check, hustlerla bets $60, fish calls, hero raises to $240, hustlerla puts in 140 (I'm pretty sure he thought I raised to $140.. somehow my bluffs are often destined to fail).

Anywho, I think hustlerLA probably has lots of 2 pairs maybe 30-50, some sets (but not much, seeing how I block QQ and he doesn't have much 44/55 that he limps in MP, so like 10-20%?), and lots of nutflush draws.

I also have a strong perceived range here, lots of QQ, some Ac6c7. Pretty much at the bottom of my range here having a Q+gutshot+BDFD.

Anywho, he probably folds like 30-60% here, and I have 40-50% vs his calling range, I'd expect him to rarely ever 3b the flop when we are super deep, but if he does I can just lay it down as I probably have <20% vs his range.

Anywho, I think its a pretty awesome spot. when in position deep with a nut gutter, backdoor fd and top set blocker.

Turn comes an offsuit ace which is the nut worst card as if brings a bunch of 2pair+fd combos and 1 pair+fd+gs stuffs. I still decide to triple, but my plan is foiled as he c/r the turn and claims to have had AcQ*c. If this is true I think his turn raise is horrible, I would probably only call with QQ, 25, or rarely AA, and will fold out all hands he dominates. Also, he folds out all bluffs(although, he probably thinks I have very few bluffs in this spot-- which is true).


Ran into 4 spots where I was facing a river bet with a very strong hand near the top of my range. Folded 3 (I'm pretty sure all were good folds). Called 1, and lost. River agg frequency is so low live its pretty ridiculous. The last one was a clear fold, mistake tilt from that one is still bothering me.

Also made a pretty loose call facing a c/r in a 3b on with QQJJ. Needed 28%, after stoving I had 26-28%...

fish raises to $50, thinking fish calls ($700 left), hero 3b to $210 with QQJJ$ss, fish calls, thinking fish ($1100 left) calls

Flop ($640)

As6d2s

check, check, hero bets $300

My bet size here sucks. Basically nut worst sizing. Should bet ~$215, then fold to ship from thinking fish, call other fish.

If I bet ~200-220, I'd need ~31% equity to call thinking fish, which I don't have. Once I make it $300, I only need like 28.5%.

actually I think this may be a fold if hes shipping AK$M$M and AK$B$M type stuff on the flop;

board: As6s2c
Hand Equity Wins Ties
QdQhJcJh 22.09% 1,531,919 8,115
A*s*s$ds!AA!KK, AK$B$M, AK$M$M, A34$ds, A45$ds, A6$ds, A2$ds, 66RR, 22RR, 345$ds, Ks*s!3$ds, QsJs$ds, JT:ss$ds, 678:ss$ds, T98:ss$ds, 987:ss$ds 77.91% 5,414,386 8,115

If not its still a close fold;

Hand Equity Wins Ties
QdQhJcJh 27.43% 996,854 3,738
(A*s*s!7$ds, A6!j$ds, A2!7$ds, 345$ds, JT:ss$ds, 678:ss$ds, 66RR, 22RR, Ks*s!8$ds, QJT:ss$ds, JT9:ss$ds, 678:ss$ds, T98:ss$ds, 987:ss$ds, 6s5s7$ds)!AA!KK$ds!AK$B$B 72.57% 2,641,028 3,738


Sigghhhhhhh played so bad.. 1 small mistake + 1 big mistake in one session = D-

Last edited by tmckendry; 03-26-2014 at 07:23 AM.
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03-26-2014 , 07:36 PM
^ thought more about those hands and did some more PPT simulations. Actually made 2 big mistakes, 1 small mistake. Per usual, I tend to play sub-optimally when switching between online and live or plo and nlh. Damn one-tracked mind.

I have 32.7 hours tracked online, and 107.6 hours live. 140.2 hours puts me needing to average 3.3 hours per day for the rest of the month. I'm going to try and get to 50 hours at the bike on the week ($5/hr cashback if you get 50 scans in one month) and play the rest online (unless bike games are unusually good). I've got to be pretty close to 50 already.

I was talking with cushlash the other day about poker passion. His is dying. I feel like mine is dying, too. It's tough to play my A-game if I'm "forcing" myself to play 40 hours/wk. Live poker often bores me. Live PLO /w a rock and an uncapped straddle is pretty interesting for me because of how different the dynamics are every hand.. but still, thats about max interesting, and it still isn't that stimulating. Online PLOs is still fun (because of the sheer volume of interesting spots/hours [and heateraments haha]). But.. I'm sure that enjoyment will also dwindle away after 30-40hours/wk, as it would with anything.

I've just been thinking that this thread has been such a great help to me. It's my executive planning and poker reviews area. Both things have been essential to my pokers success.
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03-26-2014 , 09:46 PM
Who says you have to play 40 hours a week? Maybe setting aside a certain amount of hours for ANY new hobby/interest could help.

Rather than burn yourself out in a game you have developed such a skill set for, cut back on the hours, game select harder, and focus on finding juicier games to play in that will motivate you to play your A game more often.

Not that your current burnout necessarily led to you dropping a couple buyins, but I can say from personal experience if I find myself in a game that is just a typical 2/5 on a lazy day at the casino I often become the action player at the table, with varying results.

Would just suck that a bit of goal setting (a great practice) could burn you out. Think of how exciting it would be to discover a niche of juicy PLO games
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03-26-2014 , 11:00 PM
^even with lacking passion poker is still most +$ev choice give your current winrate, isn't it?

also, try taking an entire month or so off and come back you may be just experiencing burn out
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03-27-2014 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by tmckendry

I was talking with cushlash the other day about poker passion. His is dying.
Confirmed. Unfortunately I don't have any solid income alternatives (yet) so for now I'll be grinding and trying to find ways to motivate myself. Could use my degree and get a job but I really love the freedom of not having a 9-5 and don't want to give that up. That really is the source of most of my motivation lately.

Recently I've just been playing as much as I feel like and doing other stuff, kinda like what JRei is suggesting. I think this is helping and I have the sense that eventually I'll get back into grind mode.

Just do what you want and as long as you're playing enough to cover your nut don't worry too much about volume if you're not liking it.
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03-27-2014 , 11:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JRei
Who says you have to play 40 hours a week? Maybe setting aside a certain amount of hours for ANY new hobby/interest could help.

Rather than burn yourself out in a game you have developed such a skill set for, cut back on the hours, game select harder, and focus on finding juicier games to play in that will motivate you to play your A game more often.

Not that your current burnout necessarily led to you dropping a couple buyins, but I can say from personal experience if I find myself in a game that is just a typical 2/5 on a lazy day at the casino I often become the action player at the table, with varying results.

Would just suck that a bit of goal setting (a great practice) could burn you out. Think of how exciting it would be to discover a niche of juicy PLO games
Thanks for this, lots of good advice.

Yeah, its def a case of burnout, I'm just going to play when I feel like it for the next couple weeks. If that happens to be never, then I won't play.

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Originally Posted by danny356
^even with lacking passion poker is still most +$ev choice give your current winrate, isn't it?

also, try taking an entire month or so off and come back you may be just experiencing burn out
Yeah, as far as $/hr expected goes.. playing my C-game 60hours/wk > playing A-game 15 hours/wk and B-game 10 hours/wk. But mistake tilt isn't really accounted for properly. I really hate making big mistakes, and this is far more likely to happen if I'm putting in big volume. It effects my mental health off the tables. A huge mistake can haunt me for a couple days.

I'm basically going to follow the advice to take some time off.

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Originally Posted by cushlash
Confirmed. Unfortunately I don't have any solid income alternatives (yet) so for now I'll be grinding and trying to find ways to motivate myself. Could use my degree and get a job but I really love the freedom of not having a 9-5 and don't want to give that up. That really is the source of most of my motivation lately.

Recently I've just been playing as much as I feel like and doing other stuff, kinda like what JRei is suggesting. I think this is helping and I have the sense that eventually I'll get back into grind mode.

Just do what you want and as long as you're playing enough to cover your nut don't worry too much about volume if you're not liking it.
Agreed. Less volume forceaments, more doing what I want.


That said, played 5 hours online the last couple days. Ending bal 9079. Played great overall. Also ran lol-good. Played 1 table of $2/4 and 3 tables of $1/2. won 1.6k at the 2/4 table and kept losing every big pot on the 1/2 tables! Had $2.1k stack on a $2/$4 table-- thats the biggest stack I've ever had online.

Been chilling at the beach, doing yoga, reading, and playing anno online. I have a couchsurfer coming in a couple days. Gonna explore LA with her.
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03-29-2014 , 09:21 PM
Surpassed $10k on bovada. 4.75 hours since last post. 10108 ending bal, requested 3k cashout.

Made a profile on eharmony. They have a 3-business day refund policy.. Gonna try get some dates over the next few days muhaha
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03-29-2014 , 10:06 PM
Think I may have been at your 400 table
Games have been good this month.
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03-30-2014 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by tmckendry
Made a profile on eharmony. They have a 3-business day refund policy.. Gonna try get some dates over the next few days muhaha
Doesn't this site focus on LTR? If so, you have my respect and sympathy for striving to get harnessed!
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03-30-2014 , 05:39 PM
what limits you play online?
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03-30-2014 , 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by coon74
Doesn't this site focus on LTR? If so, you have my respect and sympathy for striving to get harnessed!
Yeah, I'm just figuring that out. Lot's of woman looking for kids and stuff. This may not be the best for me.

ThePressure, I play mostly $1/$2 sometimes $2/4 and $3/6 if the table looks good.
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03-31-2014 , 01:00 AM
Yes, the eHarmony commercials all have the old rat-faced dude talking about their 847 points of compatibility to find your perfect mate or whatever. Go to match.com.
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03-31-2014 , 05:30 AM
Guys in the health and fitness forum rave about tinder
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03-31-2014 , 07:18 AM
OP grinds Tinder like you wouldn't believe. I've even seen him multi-tabling at times.
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03-31-2014 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by machi5
Yes, the eHarmony commercials all have the old rat-faced dude talking about their 847 points of compatibility to find your perfect mate or whatever. Go to match.com.
lol yeah, eharmony doesn't seem to be the best option for me.. at least at the current time. I'll check out match.com

Btw, I'm 90% certain on going to tampa within the next 4 months, so I shall likely see you soon.

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Originally Posted by Brown Keeper
Guys in the health and fitness forum rave about tinder
Yeah, I've been using this too. I went on a tinder date and it was meh.

I've swiped like 400+ and matched with a couple dozen. I have only messaged a couple people I've matched with though, for no good reasons... I'm sure the most effective way is to mass message all matches... But I feel like lots of these girls are just going to waste my time. Lame **** on profiles like little stars and pictures with gangster hats and stuff. I just feel like its going to be a waste of time. Actually, I've had this conversation a couple times in the last 2 weeks. Thats pretty much how I feel about girls in general-- a huge time suck. My positive experiences:time spent on "woman" ratio is just plain horrible. I think its a combo of run bad + me failing to act like myself around girls I'm interested in.

This rant doesn't stem from bad experiences/rejections ect.. It's more because l put a bunch of pressure on myself when it comes to girls, and just don't see the type of success I expect. the work:reward is poor. It's one of the only things in my life that I haven't been able to succeed at when I "put my mind to it".


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Originally Posted by fogodchao
OP grinds Tinder like you wouldn't believe. I've even seen him multi-tabling at times.



Played some live PLO today. Game was sooooo good... and I ran sooo bad

I bet/bet/c/f like 6 times. So many ugly run-outs. It was so gross-- I feel so exploited when I go from online PLO to live PLO. In retrospect, I liked all folds. Got shown a better hand twice and never shown a bluff.

I got super aggro on the river tonight. I bluffed the river 9-10 times tonight and value bet <3 times. 3 of my bruffs were called. One was repping nothing, trying to fold out 1 pair, One I floated turn and bet river 2/3pot, and one I repped the front door flush with a wrap and somehow got looked up (this bluff almost always works in my experience)

I made a 2/3 donk with KK66ds on 763r when villain 4b in position preflop. He snap folded. I just can't understand how he folds that flop.

8 hours total. Losses were pretty small considering how few hands I made all night.

Also played .75 hours online, ending bal is 6444(I made a $3k cashout too)
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04-01-2014 , 01:41 AM
March in review...

Goals:

[/] 160 hours of pokers

154.1 hours, ~38 online, rest live.

[/] 3.5 minute plank, 30-second bridge, 1min/1min warrior 2, 10 second elbow handstand thing

got 3:44 on plank-- could have gone a bit longer, but ass was falling
24 seconds on the bridge, pretty happy with that-- ****s tough
1min/1min was easy, gonna double up next month
10 second elbow stand easy

[/] finish 2 books
Finished 1
~30% through fountainhead-- its making the top5 list thus far

[/] get laid

Fail.

I fell just short on pretty much all goals this month. The poker volume miss was just plain lazy. I could even go get in a session now to make up for it.. Meh, still had a ~$20k month, got healthier, and had some good times-- success.

The guy from 123flip.com made a thread on 2+2. Sweeeet.

Quality of woman on eharmony is soo much higher. Messaging with 2 I'm interested in, shall try and set up date and cancel membership. Will probably get this again when I'm in Tampa. Worth the extra monies($15/mo) for the quality of woman.

This month should be pretty relaxed for me. Michelle is coming for a few days-- looking forward to that. She's going to Coachella with some friends, I'll probably join. Also will chill with couchsurfer coming on Wednesday. I think Duke is coming to my house, too? So like.. like 5 days off, 5-6 days with sub-par volume and 30 day month..

[] 140 hours of pokers
[] read fountainhead
[] 4.5 minute plank, 2min/2min warrior 2, 35 second bridge

Also hoping to play some tennis-- started sending messages on tennisbuddy.com.
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04-01-2014 , 03:32 AM
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Originally Posted by tmckendry
So much pokers today. 4 hours online, 8563 ending bal
5.9 hours live, lost 3950.

Tried pulling a pretty big bluff in what I thought was a good spot.

straddle in sb, bb limp, fish limp, thinking pro limp(supposedly HustlerLA, had no idea until today), thinking fish limp, hero limps KQ78ddss in co, btn limp, sb checks.

Flop ($70)

Qc5c4d

check, hustlerla bets $60, fish calls, hero raises to $240, hustlerla puts in 140 (I'm pretty sure he thought I raised to $140.. somehow my bluffs are often destined to fail).

Anywho, I think hustlerLA probably has lots of 2 pairs maybe 30-50, some sets (but not much, seeing how I block QQ and he doesn't have much 44/55 that he limps in MP, so like 10-20%?), and lots of nutflush draws.

I also have a strong perceived range here, lots of QQ, some Ac6c7. Pretty much at the bottom of my range here having a Q+gutshot+BDFD.

Anywho, he probably folds like 30-60% here, and I have 40-50% vs his calling range, I'd expect him to rarely ever 3b the flop when we are super deep, but if he does I can just lay it down as I probably have <20% vs his range.

Anywho, I think its a pretty awesome spot. when in position deep with a nut gutter, backdoor fd and top set blocker.

Turn comes an offsuit ace which is the nut worst card as if brings a bunch of 2pair+fd combos and 1 pair+fd+gs stuffs. I still decide to triple, but my plan is foiled as he c/r the turn and claims to have had AcQ*c. If this is true I think his turn raise is horrible, I would probably only call with QQ, 25, or rarely AA, and will fold out all hands he dominates. Also, he folds out all bluffs(although, he probably thinks I have very few bluffs in this spot-- which is true).


Ran into 4 spots where I was facing a river bet with a very strong hand near the top of my range. Folded 3 (I'm pretty sure all were good folds). Called 1, and lost. River agg frequency is so low live its pretty ridiculous. The last one was a clear fold, mistake tilt from that one is still bothering me.

Also made a pretty loose call facing a c/r in a 3b on with QQJJ. Needed 28%, after stoving I had 26-28%...

fish raises to $50, thinking fish calls ($700 left), hero 3b to $210 with QQJJ$ss, fish calls, thinking fish ($1100 left) calls

Flop ($640)

As6d2s

check, check, hero bets $300

My bet size here sucks. Basically nut worst sizing. Should bet ~$215, then fold to ship from thinking fish, call other fish.

If I bet ~200-220, I'd need ~31% equity to call thinking fish, which I don't have. Once I make it $300, I only need like 28.5%.

actually I think this may be a fold if hes shipping AK$M$M and AK$B$M type stuff on the flop;

board: As6s2c
Hand Equity Wins Ties
QdQhJcJh 22.09% 1,531,919 8,115
A*s*s$ds!AA!KK, AK$B$M, AK$M$M, A34$ds, A45$ds, A6$ds, A2$ds, 66RR, 22RR, 345$ds, Ks*s!3$ds, QsJs$ds, JT:ss$ds, 678:ss$ds, T98:ss$ds, 987:ss$ds 77.91% 5,414,386 8,115

If not its still a close fold;

Hand Equity Wins Ties
QdQhJcJh 27.43% 996,854 3,738
(A*s*s!7$ds, A6!j$ds, A2!7$ds, 345$ds, JT:ss$ds, 678:ss$ds, 66RR, 22RR, Ks*s!8$ds, QJT:ss$ds, JT9:ss$ds, 678:ss$ds, T98:ss$ds, 987:ss$ds, 6s5s7$ds)!AA!KK$ds!AK$B$B 72.57% 2,641,028 3,738


Sigghhhhhhh played so bad.. 1 small mistake + 1 big mistake in one session = D-
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Originally Posted by tmckendry
^ thought more about those hands and did some more PPT simulations. Actually made 2 big mistakes, 1 small mistake. Per usual, I tend to play sub-optimally when switching between online and live or plo and nlh. Damn one-tracked mind.

I have 32.7 hours tracked online, and 107.6 hours live. 140.2 hours puts me needing to average 3.3 hours per day for the rest of the month. I'm going to try and get to 50 hours at the bike on the week ($5/hr cashback if you get 50 scans in one month) and play the rest online (unless bike games are unusually good). I've got to be pretty close to 50 already.

I was talking with cushlash the other day about poker passion. His is dying. I feel like mine is dying, too. It's tough to play my A-game if I'm "forcing" myself to play 40 hours/wk. Live poker often bores me. Live PLO /w a rock and an uncapped straddle is pretty interesting for me because of how different the dynamics are every hand.. but still, thats about max interesting, and it still isn't that stimulating. Online PLOs is still fun (because of the sheer volume of interesting spots/hours [and heateraments haha]). But.. I'm sure that enjoyment will also dwindle away after 30-40hours/wk, as it would with anything.

I've just been thinking that this thread has been such a great help to me. It's my executive planning and poker reviews area. Both things have been essential to my pokers success.

looks like you are missing the best option on the last hand you posted

I think your ranges are probably a bit off as well for what they will c/r all in with as I think 1100 eff stack ends up c/c some of the range to 2-300 size

I like the way you breakdown your game and your work with ranges, most players live and even more than you would think online aren't really spending too much time doing it.


The first hand you posted you don't post stack sizes so not sure how deep it is or what sizing you choose on the turn. Your idea for why you want to raise the flop with your hand makes sense (fish stack sizes and tendencies to show up with like a bare naked nfd or some sort of QAxxfd type hand matters alot tho) and I think in spots like this you don't really have much of an idea for those ranges against those players (lollive) and I wouldn't ever expect flop bettor to 3bet as a bluff being so deep like you said and when he does you can fold pretty easy. I think your hand just plays too well in position on enough turns and also some turns you can decide to bluff when checked to that this is probably not the best hand to deicde to raise with. I think if the pot was HU and it was a situation where you wanted to have a wider flop raising range IP this would be a hand I would do it with but this isn't any type of spot where that logic even comes into play.

On the turn c/r from him is by farrrrr the best play. If he is assuming you only have value hands while he has AQnfd. Naked AQ is a big part of that range for you, sometimes with a worse FD, not sure if he thinks you would raise a lower wrap/combo draw on the flop or just call as well and he might think you bet a hand like Q567- Q467 for protection (even if you think you never would). I think the times he gets it in crushing/freerolling, making a flush on the river when behind or getting you to fold is much greater than the times he gets it in vs QQQ-444-555 and miss/loses on the river
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04-01-2014 , 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ChicagoJoey
looks like you are missing the best option on the last hand you posted

I think your ranges are probably a bit off as well for what they will c/r all in with as I think 1100 eff stack ends up c/c some of the range to 2-300 size

I like the way you breakdown your game and your work with ranges, most players live and even more than you would think online aren't really spending too much time doing it.


The first hand you posted you don't post stack sizes so not sure how deep it is or what sizing you choose on the turn. Your idea for why you want to raise the flop with your hand makes sense (fish stack sizes and tendencies to show up with like a bare naked nfd or some sort of QAxxfd type hand matters alot tho) and I think in spots like this you don't really have much of an idea for those ranges against those players (lollive) and I wouldn't ever expect flop bettor to 3bet as a bluff being so deep like you said and when he does you can fold pretty easy. I think your hand just plays too well in position on enough turns and also some turns you can decide to bluff when checked to that this is probably not the best hand to deicde to raise with. I think if the pot was HU and it was a situation where you wanted to have a wider flop raising range IP this would be a hand I would do it with but this isn't any type of spot where that logic even comes into play.

On the turn c/r from him is by farrrrr the best play. If he is assuming you only have value hands while he has AQnfd. Naked AQ is a big part of that range for you, sometimes with a worse FD, not sure if he thinks you would raise a lower wrap/combo draw on the flop or just call as well and he might think you bet a hand like Q567- Q467 for protection (even if you think you never would). I think the times he gets it in crushing/freerolling, making a flush on the river when behind or getting you to fold is much greater than the times he gets it in vs QQQ-444-555 and miss/loses on the river
btw I enjoyed your podcasts.

My hand histories are not well structured. I do it mostly for myself when I reflect, so sometimes I forget to put in details. Unfortunately, this makes it tough for others to analyze my hands..

I think my perceived range on the flop is pretty narrow(and very value heavy) I seem to cultivate a nitty image in live poker, mostly due to my tight preflop range full-ring and that I rarely show bluffs postflop(unless its versus huge fish or my ego gets the best of me). I would almost always fold this hand preflop, and normally play around 15-20% vpip full-ring. I think it takes a few sessions for villains to notice that my betting/raising ranges postflop are pretty wide, but villains seem to notice very quickly that I am tight preflop because I'm folding blinds 80% to button straddles, folding buttons when 4 people limp, etc. This particular villain is an iPad grinder so despite playing 20-30hours together, he probably thinks I'm more passive than I really am post-flop, and tight pre flop.

This is the first hand I've run a multi-street bluff on this villain, and I don't think he's ever seen a multi-street bluff of mine get to showdown. There is also a chance he reads this blog, in which case c/c c/c >>>> c/r.

As far as the hand goes.. if he has AcQx*c and the offsuit A comes on the turn, I have ~0 combos of AQ:cc. I would need to have a non Qc, non 5c, and non Ac in my hand, so that rules out AQ%:cc. So, I would need AQ4:cc in my raising range on the flop, which is pretty small combo wise (I would fold or raise most combos pre, and just so few combos in general given card removal).

I would need some hands like Q567/Q456/4567:cc/678:cc that I continue betting on the turn. I would never do this given villains range is so faceup as NFD+backup heavy and I suspect villains knows I know this.. but even if I did 100% of the time his equity is barrreelly good enough to get it in given the number of sets in my range;

board: Qc5c4dAh
Hand Equity Wins Ties
Q56c7c, Qc678:cc, Qc467:cc, 4678:cc, 5678:cc, 2345:cc, (QQ!QQ$ds, Ax55:xx, Ax44:xx, 5567, 5543, 4456, 4432$ds, 44RR!QQ!JJ!TT!33, 55RR!QQ!JJ!TT!66)!AA!KK 59.97% 358,577 2,430
AcQ*c 40.03% 238,993 2,430

So its really close. I think he needed ~38-39% in this spot for it to be +EV to GII vs my range. But I don't remember exact stack sizes, so its possible it was a good c/r if I was -$300 effective from what I remember. I normally try and set up a 75-85% barrel on the river and have a rough +-$75 of the pot size. So yeah, he probably needed ~38-39%. So c/r is +EV if I b/c worse draws/worse 2pairs+draws. Although, If I ever bet/fold the hands that have not enough equity to call versus AQ:cc it becomes -EV, and he has 30-35% vs my calling range.

In retrospect, its a tough spot and it really comes down to what he thinks about my range and how I play-- which we can't know. c/r is really good if he thinks I b/c worse draws and combo draws OTT. I think c/r is by far the worst option versus my actual betting range and play style on the turn [5-20% of range are 0-10% equity bluffs that are triple barrelling, and 80-95% are sets that have 65%-70% equity].
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04-01-2014 , 11:11 AM
Nice month, keep up the hard work!
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04-02-2014 , 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by pure_aggression
Nice month, keep up the hard work!
ty!


April off to bad start.. took PLO1k shot and failed. Also dropped a bunch of BIs running bad @ PLO200.. 4545 ending bal, 3.25 hours
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04-02-2014 , 11:20 AM
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ty!


April off to bad start.. took PLO1k shot and failed. Also dropped a bunch of BIs running bad @ PLO200.. 4545 ending bal, 3.25 hours
Is that the 10/20 at commerce?
Have found it very hit or miss.
Depends on number of 1k stacks in the game.
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04-02-2014 , 10:09 PM
I believe Tyler was talking about Bovada.
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