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11-20-2012 , 07:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NthDegree
Hand number 3 really stands out here to me. Obviously a lot of fold equity here but I think you kind of set yourself up poorly. Hope the tables are treating you okay.
Yeah hand 3 is a c/c for sure. Q improves his flop flatting range, and its gross to fold away so much equity.

Quote:
Originally Posted by tobjoern
Nice results at plo25 for the month! Keep going! Is there any difference in value between playerpools at ftp and stars or is it pretty much the same?
Thx. Player pools are pretty similar. Some Regs are better at PLO50, but its pretty much the same.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Djross13
Some interesting hands, I would post way less hands, people don't have a huge attention span so I feel you would get more responses with your more interesting hands.
Yeah, 6 is a tall order, I like to post 2-3.

I agree with a lot of what you said in response to my HH. Agree with what you said about being results oriented and getting emotional while I'm playing. I try to "inject logic", and if that fails I just quit my session.


Played a session this morning, went fairly well. Made a suicide river bluff, and a bad bluffcatch. Aside from those 2 hands, played fairly well.



Some hands;

Hand 1:

Villain is 50/30/20 whale.

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (CO): $92.49
BTN: $35.61
SB: $14.50
BB: $98.25
UTG: $23.25

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has J 8 8 A

UTG raises to $1.00, Hero calls $1.00, fold, fold, fold

Flop: ($2.75, 2 players) 6 5 A
UTG bets $2.50, Hero calls $2.50

Turn: ($7.75, 2 players) K
UTG bets $5.25, Hero calls $5.25

River: ($18.25, 2 players) 3
UTG checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:
UTG shows 3 7 8 4 (Straight, Seven High) (Pre 37%, Flop 65%, Turn 35%)
Hero mucks J 8 8 A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 63%, Flop 35%, Turn 65%)
UTG wins $17.43


I dislike my turn play here.. easiest shove ever. ahead of his range in general and he will call with worse..

Hand 2:

Villain is unknown, its his first hand I believe.

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $22.14
SB: $58.48
Hero (BB): $56.15
UTG: $29.50
MP: $31.25
CO: $51.50

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has 7 9 T A

fold, MP calls $0.50, fold, fold, SB calls $0.25, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.50, 3 players) J T 9
SB checks, Hero bets $1.00, MP calls $1.00, fold

Turn: ($3.50, 2 players) A
Hero bets $2.00, MP calls $2.00

River: ($7.50, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, MP bets $5.00, Hero calls $5.00

Spoiler:
MP shows 4 A Q 8 (Straight, Queen High) (Pre 49%, Flop 80%, Turn 88%)
Hero mucks 7 9 T A (Two Pair, Aces and Tens) (Pre 51%, Flop 20%, Turn 12%)
MP wins $16.71


River is close.. you don't normally see unknowns that post UTG+1 value betting thin, but you also don't normally see villains turn medium sdv into bluffs on the river. Pretty sure I should fold here. Need to be good ~30%...

Hand 3:

Villain is 30/14/9

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (MP): $55.34
CO: $51.53
BTN: $63.79
SB: $67.68
BB: $67.78
UTG: $50.67

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has 6 5 9 7

fold, Hero raises to $1.50, fold, fold, SB raises to $5.00, fold, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($10.50, 2 players) 7 T 3
SB bets $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

Turn: ($25.50, 2 players) 4
SB checks, Hero bets $21.00, SB calls $21.00

River: ($67.50, 2 players) T
SB checks, Hero bets $21.84 and is all-in, SB calls $21.84

Spoiler:
Hero shows 6 5 9 7 (Straight, Seven High) (Pre 41%, Flop 39%, Turn 80%)
SB shows 5 Q A A (Two Pair, Aces and Tens) (Pre 59%, Flop 61%, Turn 20%)
Hero wins $108.68


I liked this hand, particularly my bet-sizing on the turn. villain is folding all 1 pair hands on the turn. His calling range is going to be very skewed to Tx+FDs, and overpairs+FDs. I made it huge because I figured he will call a huge bet with a pair+FD, and it sets up a difficult fold on the river.

Hand 4:

Villain is 50/15, bit spewy..

OnGame - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $49.00
UTG: $50.00
CO: $58.96
BTN: $55.43
Hero (SB): $179.54

Hero posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($1.00) Hero has 8 5 3 7

fold, fold, BTN calls $0.50, Hero checks, BB checks

Flop: ($1.50, 3 players) A K 2
Hero bets $1.00, fold, BTN raises to $2.00, Hero calls $1.00

Turn: ($5.50, 2 players) 5
Hero bets $4.00, BTN calls $4.00

River: ($13.50, 2 players) A
Hero bets $6.00, BTN raises to $12.00, fold

Spoiler:
BTN wins $24.23


Not sure how I feel about this hand. I rep nothing, but I don't think this is relevant vs a fishy villain. I figured his min raise on the flop was a hand that was medium strength, like a FD+straight draw, or top and bottom pair. I think I can def rep a straight on the turn, and I bet the river small trying to get villain to fold Kx/busted FDs with some SDV. I think $5 gets the same result.

In retrospect, might it's better to c/f the turn.

Hoping to get in 2-3 more sessions tonight.

Edit: I've discovered a leak that has cost me a few big pots vs fish in the last couple sessions. I tend to bet smaller in 3bet pots with medium strength hands vs fish. For instance, I have AA56 and the flop comes J64r, effective SPR is 2.5-4ish. I normally bet 2/3 pot on flop/turn, leaving the fish with a bit left over on the river. This is terrible because it allows fish to exploit me by calling with implied odds and shoving if they bink 2pair+. I should just ~near pot flop, shove turn.

Last edited by tmckendry; 11-20-2012 at 07:26 PM.
Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200) Quote
11-22-2012 , 12:56 AM
Rawr. Played a long session today; crushed.



Actually only up $250, but PT3 didn't pick up a bunch of pots I lost when I had run it twice enabled. I guess I'll deduct $250 from profit total after RB..

I played super aggro(61 agg freq). Worked for a bit, then started getting c/r'ed with impunity. I should switch gears more frequently when I suspect regs are playing back at me...

Bunch of hands I played were interesting. Will post later, vodkas now.
Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200) Quote
11-22-2012 , 02:50 AM
What did you end up beating 10PLO by? Thinking of skipping it, impossible for me to beat, in 20,000 hands I am running 38 buy ins below EV. WTF!!!!!!!

2 years ago i skipped 10nl as well for the exact same reasons. Maybe its just my nemesis.
Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200) Quote
11-22-2012 , 03:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kb12345
What did you end up beating 10PLO by? Thinking of skipping it, impossible for me to beat, in 20,000 hands I am running 38 buy ins below EV. WTF!!!!!!!

2 years ago i skipped 10nl as well for the exact same reasons. Maybe its just my nemesis.
Only by a few bb/100. Beat it with rakeback, was paying like 30bb/100 in rake, made back ~18bb/100.. Would probably skip if I started over..
Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200) Quote
11-23-2012 , 04:31 AM
Played the longest PLO session of my life today. Tables were awesome...



Few hands, too lazy to post. Will probably do a 5 hand marathon analysis once I get my ass to starbucks.

Blackcomb opened today (the other half of the mountain). Skiing was awesome. Defo need to wax skis/repair ski pole.

Booked vancouver trip in 2 weeks. Will grind the PLO game like a boss..

Going on a 1 month dry spell...
Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200) Quote
11-23-2012 , 06:54 PM
Played a short session this morning.. Ultra spewed the first 100 hands, then started playing well..



Made a c/r total air bluff vs an obvious overpair on a lockdown board.. Did not work, villain snapped.

Had lots of failed bluffs this session, actually.

At coffeeshop, shall do hand analysis marathon. If your going to comment on the hands or analysis, please do not feel obligated to comments on all hands..

Hand 1:

Villain is 37/31/22 over 80 hands, cbet 50%.

OnGame - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $134.14
BB: $50.00
UTG: $67.03
MP: $93.85
Hero (CO): $49.00
BTN: $74.19

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($1.00) Hero has A 8 K T

fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN raises to $5.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $4.00

Flop: ($12.00, 2 players) 8 K 9
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($12.00, 2 players) 9
Hero checks, BTN bets $9.00, Hero calls $9.00

River: ($30.00, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BTN checks

Spoiler:
Hero shows A 8 K T (Two Pair, Kings and Nines)
Hero wins $28.50


Not sure if c/r'ing or leading is optimal here... I think he checks back lots of medium strength hands like 9X, OESDs, weak FDs. A c/r can get him to fold equity like K+gs, AA**.. I actually prefer leading here (and calling a raise) because so much value from med strength hands that will check back the flop, and our hand is vunerable.


Hand 2:

This hand I would actually like feedback on.. Pretty sure the correct play is to fold the flop. Villain is very passive, fairly tight. His range on the flop is 2pair+NFD, TT, 88.

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $33.34
MP: $62.82
CO: $27.16
BTN: $75.63
Hero (SB): $50.00
BB: $34.44

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has K K J A

fold, fold, CO calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, fold, fold, BTN calls $2.00

Flop: ($6.00, 2 players) 2 8 T
Hero bets $4.00, BTN raises to $17.73, Hero calls $13.73

Turn: ($41.46, 2 players) 7
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($41.46, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BTN checks

Spoiler:
Hero shows K K J A (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 70%, Flop 37%, Turn 23%)
BTN shows 2 J T T (Three of a Kind, Tens) (Pre 30%, Flop 63%, Turn 78%)
BTN wins $39.59


4.4%- hit a king on the turn, stack him. EV = .044*$52
Hit a queen, call off getting near neutral EV EV = 0
Hit a heart, win the pot EV = .196*$28
Blank turn, check/fold = .50 * $-14
scary turn, free card = .196 * (.196 * 28)

=$2.29 + $0 + $5.49 - $7 + $1.06
=+$1.84

This doesn't account for the times he has 2pair+NFD/wrap NFD and stacks me, which makes it around neutral EV or slightly -EV. With Rake, -EV to call flop here.

Hand 3:

This hand I'm wondering if cbetting the turn is warranted.. Villain is loose, aggro, 58/29/0, 64 agg freq.

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $154.04
Hero (CO): $74.01
BTN: $36.33
SB: $39.87
BB: $73.11
UTG: $16.76

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has 5 5 T A

fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, fold, SB calls $1.25, fold

Flop: ($3.50, 2 players) 2 Q T
SB checks, Hero bets $2.50, SB calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.50, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero bets $4.00, SB calls $4.00

River: ($16.50, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:
SB shows A 9 6 A (Two Pair, Aces and Threes) (Pre 64%, Flop 75%, Turn 85%)
Hero mucks 5 5 T A (Two Pair, Tens and Threes) (Pre 36%, Flop 25%, Turn 15%)
SB wins $15.76


I think its pretty close. I did a flop c/c range and I have 34% equity vs it.. Omaha Hi Simulation ?
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: 2sThQd3h
Hand Equity Wins Ties
T2**, J9, T***, JK**, Q***, KK**, AA**, JJ** 66.31% 390,005 15,675
5s5cTsAc 33.69% 194,320 15,675

I'm defo behind his flop calling range in terms of equity, but I think cbetting turn has strategic value. If I don't bet I may get bluffed off the river, and if I don't bet, I give free cards to his draws. Also, if I cbet and he calls I can turn my hand into a bluff on some rivers that he checks trying to fold Q***.

Not sure whats best here.. I was being sweat by a friend of mine during this hand and he thought cbetting turn was best.

Hand 4:

Pretty sure I made a bad fold on this flop. the villain that 3bet is 17/17/10 over 30ish hands. Over villain is 90/15 super fish, fairly passive postflop.

OnGame - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $150.38
BB: $82.04
UTG: $23.30
Hero (MP): $50.00
CO: $87.77
BTN: $45.60

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($1.00) Hero has J Q Q 8

UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.00, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to $7.00, UTG calls $6.50, Hero calls $5.00

Flop: ($21.50, 3 players) 3 8 7
BB checks, UTG bets $16.30 and is all-in, fold, fold

Spoiler:
UTG wins $20.43


Pretty sure when the 3bettor checks he is giving up or has a set. He should always be continuing on this board with his AA**/KK** hands (its pretty much the perfect flop). When the fish jams, any pair+..


board: 7h8s2h
Hand Equity Wins Ties
765, 89T, 78**, 82, 9TJ, 77, 88 46.23% 276,386 2,041
8hJdQdQh 53.77% 321,573 2,041

I have great equity against his shoving range, pretty unhappy that I folded here. Was afraid of the 3bettor for no reason, he's going to be continuing <5% once he 3bets and checks this board.

Hand 5:

This hand I tried something new.. that may have been spewy. Villain in SB is 9/5/0 over 50ish hands so I assume his flatting range in the SB is mostly KK/AA. When he leads this flop I think his range is composed mostly of AA/KK and some 6* that thinks he has the best hand but doesn't know what to do...

I decided to min-raise/fold as I think it reps ridiculous strength, gives me the ability to see a free turn, and bluff him off KK/AA on the river. However, in retrospect, I think raising to $10 or flatting is better. Flatting looks strong and gives me a cheap option to execute my plan (but puts my hand more face-up), and raising to $10 may get him to fold KK/AA more frequently OTF.
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-24-2012 , 03:05 PM
Whoops, forgot to post hand 5 from above. Here is it;

OnGame - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $48.83
Hero (BTN): $60.65
SB: $49.50
BB: $49.47
UTG: $118.40
MP: $44.09

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($1.00) Hero has Q A 8 T

fold, fold, CO calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.00, SB calls $1.50, fold, CO calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.50, 3 players) 6 6 9
SB bets $3.50, fold, Hero raises to $7.00, SB calls $3.50

Turn: ($20.50, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($20.50, 2 players) 2
SB bets $15.50, fold

Spoiler:
SB wins $19.48


Again, prefer floating or raising to $10 instead of min raising. I feel like the $10 bets gets way more folds from AA/KK.


About to go crush the mountain on 4 hours sleep.. Apparently, the snows wickeeddd good.
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-25-2012 , 04:23 AM
Played the worst session of my life at PLO today



So many cool spots, set over set, running bad in 4bet pots etc.

Hate this game so much

Was angry, ate some chili, then decided to try another session. The result;

Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-25-2012 , 10:37 PM
Fun hands;

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (UTG): $200.19
CO: $118.38
BTN: $45.08
SB: $50.25
BB: $83.06

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has A Q 9 Q

Hero raises to $1.50, fold, BTN calls $1.50, fold, fold

Flop: ($3.75, 2 players) 4 4 7
Hero bets $2.00, BTN raises to $6.25, Hero calls $4.25

Turn: ($16.25, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BTN bets $11.50, Hero calls $11.50

River: ($39.25, 2 players) J
Hero checks, BTN bets $25.83 and is all-in, Hero calls $25.83

Spoiler:
BTN shows 9 Q K T (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 39%, Flop 15%, Turn 17%)
Hero shows A Q 9 Q (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks) (Pre 61%, Flop 85%, Turn 82%)
Hero wins $88.41



PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): $258.99
UTG: $102.63
CO: $79.36
BTN: $82.74
SB: $26.45

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has J Q 6 A

fold, CO raises to $1.75, fold, fold, Hero raises to $5.50, CO calls $3.75

Flop: ($11.25, 2 players) 9 2 T
Hero checks, CO bets $8.00, Hero raises to $34.74, fold

Spoiler:
Hero wins $26.02
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-26-2012 , 01:43 AM
Well, you dropped just 3 BI during the 'worst' session (a shot at PLO100), so I think you're a bit too optimistic ; the fun hands seem pretty standard (at least in comparison with my recent spewtastic flop 3bet bluff with 4 overcards on 774r as the button opener ).

Re coffeeshop handposting spree.

1: lead/call the flop; the turn c/c looks fine, though I'd make a nitty c/f .

2: b/f the flop, as played shove the turn (oops, sevens as bluff outs can make a flop b/c viable, I'm lazy to do the math ).

3: I for one would start by checking the flop, as played give up ott - such LAG players often overplay overpairs so there's not enough showdown value, but otoh you won't succeed in bluffing him.

4: call but don't be so happy about it; you've misprinted the board in your PPT sim, PPT thought you had a flushdraw .

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: 873
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
QdJdJh8h36.47% 217,3672,894
KK,765,865,89T,79T,679,689,78,83,9TJ,77,88,3363.53% 379,7392,894

5: I hate drawing on paired flops and make a nitty flop fold unless the opp is known as a maniac.

Last edited by coon74; 11-26-2012 at 02:12 AM. Reason: Added responses to hands.
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-26-2012 , 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by coon74
Well, you dropped just 3 BI during the 'worst' session (a shot at PLO100), so I think you're a bit too optimistic ; the fun hands seem pretty standard (at least in comparison with my recent spewtastic flop 3bet bluff with 4 overcards on 774r as the button opener ).

Re coffeeshop handposting spree.

1: lead/call the flop; the turn c/c looks fine, though I'd make a nitty c/f .

2: b/f the flop, as played shove the turn (oops, sevens as bluff outs can make a flop b/c viable, I'm lazy to do the math ).

3: I for one would start by checking the flop, as played give up ott - such LAG players often overplay overpairs so there's not enough showdown value, but otoh you won't succeed in bluffing him.

4: call but don't be so happy about it; you've misprinted the board in your PPT sim, PPT thought you had a flushdraw .

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: 873
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
QdJdJh8h36.47% 217,3672,894
KK,765,865,89T,79T,679,689,78,83,9TJ,77,88,3363.53% 379,7392,894

5: I hate drawing on paired flops and make a nitty flop fold unless the opp is known as a maniac.
Thx for input. Agree with 1-3. For hand 4, thx for pointing that out. I suspected something was up in my equity calc, but didn't re-check because it confirmed by original hypothesis. seemed way too optimistic.

For hand 5, he was nitty. I think he would slow play trips... Meh, probably a bad read. Would make more sense if he was lappy.

Hit the slopes today, awesome weather. Pretty tired now, going to grind coffee and play a session.
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-27-2012 , 04:28 PM
Holy Shiet... Just slept 11 hours, missed skiing.

Played some interesting hands yesterday, losing session. Will post marathon hand analysis on upcoming coffee shop grind. Probably today or tmrw. I posted one in LSPLO that has garnered some attention..

Shall attempt to grind 1k+ hands today, + hour of studying. Rawrr.
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-27-2012 , 08:48 PM
Alrighty-- another hand analysis marathon.. Any readers feel free to comment on as little/much as you want.

Hand 1:

Villain is 45/20/5, fold to cbet 52%, 44% agg freq.

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (UTG): $64.77
BTN: $37.93
SB: $69.14
BB: $55.81

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has Q 9 A 6

Hero raises to $1.50, fold, SB calls $1.25, fold

Flop: ($3.50, 2 players) 6 T 7
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($3.50, 2 players) 3
SB bets $1.50, Hero calls $1.50

River: ($6.50, 2 players) Q
SB bets $4.00, Hero calls $4.00

Spoiler:
SB shows 5 4 A 2 (Straight, Seven High) (Pre 37%, Flop 20%, Turn 72%)
Hero mucks Q 9 A 6 (Two Pair, Queens and Sixes) (Pre 63%, Flop 80%, Turn 28%)
SB wins $13.85


I dont like my check on the flop. If I get c/r'ed I'm not folding much equity away, and I have lots of double barrel cards to get Tx or JJ-KK to fold OTT. I think this is a very standard cbet. If I had something like 6J9 no BD draws I like checking better..

AP, I'm completely lost and call the river off because all the draws missed and he's repping {45}, which is very thin.

Hand 2:

Villain is 49/14, 40 agg freq.

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): $58.76
UTG: $59.36
MP: $36.48
CO: $102.97
BTN: $20.67
SB: $55.76

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has 5 4 6 6

fold, MP calls $0.50, fold, fold, SB calls $0.25, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.50, 3 players) 6 3 7
SB bets $1.00, Hero raises to $3.50, fold, SB calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.50, 2 players) J
SB checks, Hero bets $4.50, SB calls $4.50

River: ($17.50, 2 players) 5
SB bets $8.50, fold

Spoiler:
SB wins $16.71


Really dislike my turn sizing. On the flop he's going to be calling my raise with bare 45, pair+78, and sets. He's NEVER folding any of this range for $7-$8 on the turn. I gave him almost correct odds to call with pair+78 given my actual hand. On the river I couldn't give this fishier player credit for turning a made hand into a bluff. I think its possible he's spazzing with 45, but more likely he just has 78**. Thus, I folded.

Hand 3:

Villain is 29/3, again dislike my turn sizing.

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $50.00
SB: $58.11
BB: $35.98
UTG: $101.72
MP: $20.67
CO: $66.78

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has K 8 8 9

fold, MP calls $0.50, fold, Hero calls $0.50, fold, BB checks

Flop: ($1.75, 3 players) 2 T 4
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50, fold

Turn: ($4.75, 2 players) 5
BB checks, Hero bets $3.00, BB calls $3.00

River: ($10.75, 2 players) 2
BB checks, Hero bets $2.50, BB calls $2.50

Spoiler:
Hero shows K 8 8 9 (Flush, King High) (Pre 55%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
BB mucks J Q 9 6 (Flush, Ten High) (Pre 46%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
Hero wins $15.04


Flop sizing is nice, turn should be $4, he's folding all 2pairs for $1.50+, calling all sets and flushes for $4. This allows me to size better on the river too, $11-12 on most rivers, $4-5 on board pairing rivers.


Missing value on the turn vs fishy players seems to be a leak of mine, need to size larger on locked down boards where I have the effective nizzles.


Hand 4:

More turn play vs fish. This villain is 70/3, 36 agg freq over 100ish hands..

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $56.26
SB: $50.00
BB: $50.00
UTG: $46.26
MP: $49.34
CO: $58.39

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has A 8 Q K

UTG calls $0.50, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.00, fold, fold, UTG calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.75, 2 players) 9 2 8
UTG checks, Hero bets $3.00, UTG calls $3.00

Turn: ($10.75, 2 players) 8
UTG bets $6.00, Hero raises to $12.00, UTG calls $6.00

River: ($34.75, 2 players) 5
UTG bets $18.50, fold

Spoiler:
UTG wins $33.19


I like the min raise for value OTT. Tons of combos of 8s this fish can have that I beat. if he re-jammed, I think I can fold. Also, it gives me the chance to take control of the pot on the river. If he checks I can vbet, and if he bets, I can probably fold.

Hand 5:

Terrible river bet.

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): $52.80
UTG: $13.00
MP: $79.35
CO: $40.03
BTN: $33.75
SB: $85.51

SB posts SB $0.25, Hero posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has K A 9 8

fold, fold, CO calls $0.50, BTN calls $0.50, fold, Hero checks

Flop: ($1.75, 3 players) 7 4 T
Hero bets $1.50, CO calls $1.50, BTN calls $1.50

Turn: ($6.25, 3 players) Q
Hero checks, CO checks, BTN checks

River: ($6.25, 3 players) Q
Hero bets $2.50, CO raises to $6.50, fold, fold

Spoiler:
CO wins $10.74


Villains have vpips in 60s, they are never folding trips or a flush.. Spewwww.

Hand 6:

Villain is 31/5, passive.

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $50.25
BB: $21.64
UTG: $45.32
MP: $67.05
CO: $68.25
Hero (BTN): $50.00

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has 8 T 7 4

fold, MP calls $0.50, fold, Hero calls $0.50, fold, BB checks

Flop: ($1.75, 3 players) T 5 9
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50, fold

Turn: ($4.75, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero bets $3.00, BB calls $3.00

River: ($10.75, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:
BB shows 6 Q J 3 (Straight, King High) (Pre 54%, Flop 41%, Turn 17%)
Hero mucks 8 T 7 4 (Straight, Ten High) (Pre 46%, Flop 59%, Turn 82%)
BB wins $10.27


I was trying to think if anything would call the river here. Villain is always folding 2pairs, mayyybe calling a set.. but this is discounted because I expect him to occasionally bet with a set. I thought his range was pretty weighted to 2pair+JQ or JQ+diamonds. I think the river is close, I opted for a check and lol'd at his straight..

Hand 6:

Villain is 71/5, very loose and passive post-flop.

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $50.00
BB: $17.79
UTG: $47.82
MP: $66.17
CO: $41.60
Hero (BTN): $52.29

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has J 9 Q A

fold, MP calls $0.50, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, fold, fold, MP calls $1.00

Flop: ($3.75, 2 players) J 2 T
MP checks, Hero bets $2.50, MP calls $2.50

Turn: ($8.75, 2 players) K
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($8.75, 2 players) 7
MP bets $6.50, fold

Spoiler:
MP wins $8.36


I really dislike my turn check here. Tons of value from Q9 and 2 or 3 pairs. Also, I don't know what to do on the river if he donks.. Guh.. more missing value on the turn from fish.

Hand 7:

This has happened a fairly large amount to me where I get 3b from someone with a wider range (In this case, villain has 9% 3bet in blinds, but its mostly squeezes) So perhaps 6% in this case..

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $53.53
UTG: $50.00
MP: $49.63
Hero (CO): $147.39
BTN: $30.00
SB: $46.75

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has 8 K J K

fold, MP calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.00, fold, SB raises to $7.00, fold, MP calls $6.50, Hero raises to $28.50, SB raises to $46.75 and is all-in, fold, Hero calls $18.25

Flop: ($101.00, 2 players) 2 J 7

Turn: ($101.00, 2 players) 3

River: ($101.00, 2 players) Q

Spoiler:
SB shows A A 9 A (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 64%, Flop 72%, Turn 82%)
Hero mucks 8 K J K (One Pair, Kings) (Pre 36%, Flop 28%, Turn 17%)
SB wins $98.50


Assuming its 6%, ~40% of the time he's going to 5b get it in with AA**, 30% he's going to flat with rundowns, and 30% he's going to fold some sort of AK** hand.

I'm risking $45 to win $16.50 30%, ~break even 30%, get in $45 to win $61.50 with 29% equity.

= $5 + ~$0 + ($61.50*29% - $45*69%)
= $5 - $13*.4 Edit: bad math
= -$0.20

Basically, flatting is slightly +EV which 4betting here is atrocious. Really disliked my play here. This would be far better with a hand like QJT8ds.

= $5 - $0 - ($61.50*.425 - $45*.575)
= $5 + $.27*.4
= $5.12

Another good hand to do it with is A567ds-A987ds. This blocks AA**, so the first variable increases to ~$6-7, and equity is .395.

I like flatting with 6 to T-hi rundowns because I find they play well IP 3 ways, but I'm sure it becomes more +EV to shove the wider villains 3b/folding range becomes..

Hand 8:

Villain is 14/5, 40 agg freq. Basically super-nit.

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (SB): $50.00
BB: $50.00
UTG: $35.99
MP: $46.25
CO: $78.36
BTN: $87.10

Hero posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has A A 2 Q

UTG raises to $1.50, MP calls $1.50, CO calls $1.50, fold, Hero raises to $8.00, fold, fold, MP calls $6.50, fold

Flop: ($19.50, 2 players) 3 7 J
Hero bets $14.50, MP raises to $35.00, Hero raises to $42.00 and is all-in, MP calls $3.25 and is all-in

Turn: ($96.00, 2 players) T

River: ($96.00, 2 players) 5

Spoiler:
Hero shows A A 2 Q (One Pair, Aces) (Pre 65%, Flop 15%, Turn 15%)
MP shows 3 3 4 4 (Three of a Kind, Threes) (Pre 35%, Flop 85%, Turn 85%)
MP wins $93.50


I dislike my flop play here. Villain only has a strong range here, I dont have odds to call. It's close though. I should have sized smaller on the flop so I could fold to a raise more easily.

Check it out:

board: Jc7d3d
Hand Equity Wins Ties
AsAh2hQc 19.11% 755,812 15,237
JJ, J79, KdKc8d, QdQc8d, AdJd**, 7798 80.89% 3,224,811 15,237

Against that range, its a fold. If I bet $13, its an even easier fold..

Hand 9:

This is against a 16/5 nit. I dislike my play here.

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $16.45
UTG: $66.60
Hero (CO): $90.12
BTN: $66.53
SB: $53.00

SB posts SB $0.25, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero has A T 7 K

UTG raises to $1.50, Hero calls $1.50, fold, fold, BB calls $1.00

Flop: ($4.75, 3 players) K 7 3
BB checks, UTG bets $3.50, Hero raises to $13.50, fold, UTG calls $10.00

Turn: ($31.75, 2 players) J
UTG checks, Hero bets $21.50, UTG calls $21.50

River: ($74.75, 2 players) 3
UTG checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:
UTG shows Q K Q J (Two Pair, Kings and Jacks) (Pre 59%, Flop 50%, Turn 85%)
Hero mucks A T 7 K (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens) (Pre 41%, Flop 50%, Turn 15%)
UTG wins $72.25


I think that the flop raise is fine, but the turn bet is bad. He's got a lot of KBBB /w diamonds, and the J smokes that range. I should either bet/fold $16-18 with the intention of jamming the river trying to get him to fold AA+diamonds or KJ+diamonds, or, I should check the turn.

I pussed out on the river and decided I couldn't get him to fold AA or KJ on the river.. In retrospect, I think its +EV. He's a nit after all (exploit by getting him to fold) and it only needs to work ~30% to be a profitable. Would defo shove if he had ~$32-33 behind and the pot size was under $70..

Hand 10:

More missing value on the turn.. villain is 65/15, aggro fish.

OnGame - $0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $85.81
SB: $40.15
BB: $102.14
UTG: $51.88
Hero (CO): $62.16

SB posts SB $0.50, BB posts BB $0.50

Pre Flop: ($1.00) Hero has K A Q 8

fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, fold, fold

Flop: ($4.00, 2 players) 9 A 3
Hero bets $3.00, BTN calls $3.00

Turn: ($10.00, 2 players) 6
Hero bets $6.00, BTN calls $6.00

River: ($22.00, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BTN bets $16.50, Hero calls $16.50

Spoiler:
BTN shows 4 2 7 5 (Straight, Nine High)
BTN wins $52.25


Turn bet should bet close to ~$8. He's never folding a FD/pair or FD+straight draw.


Anyways, game still needs ton of work. Hopefully will reach 30k on month, at 25.5k.
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-28-2012 , 04:19 AM
Grinded a solid 1.8k hands today, played alright, won big.

Missed some value with bet sizing, mostly on the river.



Few interesting hands, will hold off on analysis for a couple days..

Ski tmrw
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-28-2012 , 08:25 AM
Keep up good work man, Ive just made some thoughts on 1st 5, will do rest tomorrow

Hand 1: Villain is slightly to loose here to c-bet imo - if we do we have to be prepared to fire multiple barrels as flop peeling range for villain is going to be quite wide. Tighter the villains the higher our flop cbet will be here as it will not include so many middling cards. Turn, thanks for small bet. River, meh I fold, its only 8bb’s so probably call in real time, but he is suddenly betting a decent size which appears to be for value.

Hand 2: Yea, turn sizing is horrible as you stated. River, we have to be right total max 24% of the time (tricky to calculate with split pots etc.), as ou say 98 just looks so likely no reason he bets anything else.

Hand 3: Agree all round. If villain leads river, we insta fold.

Hand 4: Interesting on the turn, you say you would fold if he rejammed? If he had 98/sets/82 on thee flop would he not CR these? We need to raise bigger here I think to extract from his weaker hands, we are so far ahead of his range imo. Disciplined fold on the river there.

Hand 5: Agree on river. Lead on flop is not great either, its not very often we would take down the flop very often this board and unless we nut up we are in all sorts of trouble on the turn?
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-28-2012 , 03:24 PM
i have quest

how many tables?

on stars? on zoom??

how may ssesion wincut?????
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-28-2012 , 04:23 PM
and how to hud layout
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-28-2012 , 09:13 PM
4-5 tables, play stars/FTP/ongame mix. Will be trying to slowly build up tables. Getting new setup soon (external monitor and computer mouse) so I should be able to play 6 comfortably.

my HUD changes.. right now its got like 15 numbers, only use vpip/pfr/3b/fold23b/agg freq, cbet flop/fold to cbet on flop. Other numbers I don't use often..
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-29-2012 , 08:30 AM
i often look at turn cbet, f2tcb and check raise/raise flop and turn. the last 2 can be deducted somewhat from the agg freq though.
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-29-2012 , 04:03 PM
i want plo5 -> plo100

i plan next month stars

you can add me friend messenger ? or msn ?

i want plo study plz

but i m english very well....
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-29-2012 , 05:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YoePo
i want plo5 -> plo100

i plan next month stars

you can add me friend messenger ? or msn ?

i want plo study plz

but i m english very well....
I like that you want to study/learn plo, but I'm going to have to say no thank you to your request. I think a big part of analyzing hands is communication (english) and I think we would struggle to communicate. Best of luck with your goals!!
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-29-2012 , 06:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alienatu
i often look at turn cbet, f2tcb and check raise/raise flop and turn. the last 2 can be deducted somewhat from the agg freq though.
I'm really starting to consider re-designing my entire HUD to be 80% preflop stats (open/fold stats, 3b stats).

I find a lot of the post-flop stuff is texture/situation dependent and the HUD is almost TMI..



Coffee shop grind #3:

Instead of doing individual hand analysis, I'm going to try and focus on leaks/areas of improvements.

Areas of improvement for me are;

1- Missing value on the turn/river with poor bet sizing.
2- I don't 3b enough
3- I fold to 3bs too often
4- JJ-QQ in position

1- Easy fix. Think twice about villains ranges, decide if calling ranges are inelastic or elastic, bet a size with intend of targeting a specific part of villains range.

This is a problem that manifests itself on the turn and river. About half the hands I posted in the last coffee shop grind were related to missing value on the turn or river vs fish.

2- This month my 3b% is 5.22%. It's ~8.5% in LP, 4% in blinds. This is too low. I'm looking to be a reg that regs hate having on their left. 3b% is going to have to increase, mostly when in position.

When I'm looking to 3b a CO open, I've got to consider a few factors.

1: Open % - Check HUD, check how tight blinds are..
2: Players behind - If no fish, more likely to 3bet.
3: Effective stacks - 150bb+ I should start 3betting anything much more frequently.. If a player is opening 25%, should 3bet 10-25%
4: Fold to 3b % - 0-30%, only value range. 30-65% mostly value, some hands that are nutted. 65%+ Start 3betting relentlessly until they adjust.
5- Starting hand. Generally want to avoid 3betting nutted hands like KK73ss and QQ87. These hands are harder to play post-flop, and suck vs 4bets. Want to try and find hands that don't play well great multi-way, and that are an easy fold or easy call vs a 4b (AA).

Pure value:

AA** (situation dep)
KK67ss-KKQJss
AKK*ss
KK**ds
QQT9ss/QQAKss
QQ67ds-QQT9ds
BBBBds
most BBBBss

semi-bluff

7hi-J-hi ss/ds rundowns/1gappers.
double paird hands
A876ss, A765ss, A654ds


Bluff

If were assuming someone is only 4betting {AA} and calling <35% of 3bets, we want hands that play well against the top 20%. Mostly double suited 2-gappers, ragged rundowns.

QT76ds
Q765ds
JT76ds
J876ss
J976ds



3 - My fold to 3 bet is 62%-- way too high. I need to tighten my opening 88-JJ, bad QQ opening range in the CO/MP vs players that 3b 5%+ on btn/blinds. Bring PFR from ~40% to ~30%.

Need to start defending 80%+ when in position.

4 - Losing money with JJ/QQ again this month. Most of losses seem to come from btn/CO. Basically I call a MP/CO open with JJ/QQ and then a blind comes along. It goes 3 ways to the flop and I have worst relative position and can only continue if I hit a set. Need to get JJ/QQ CCPF in MP/CO/btn from 55% to ~30-40%.
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-29-2012 , 07:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by tmckendry
I'm really starting to consider re-designing my entire HUD to be 80% preflop stats (open/fold stats, 3b stats).

I find a lot of the post-flop stuff is texture/situation dependent and the HUD is almost TMI..



Coffee shop grind #3:

Instead of doing individual hand analysis, I'm going to try and focus on leaks/areas of improvements.

Areas of improvement for me are;

1- Missing value on the turn/river with poor bet sizing.
2- I don't 3b enough
3- I fold to 3bs too often
4- JJ-QQ in position

1- Easy fix. Think twice about villains ranges, decide if calling ranges are inelastic or elastic, bet a size with intend of targeting a specific part of villains range.

This is a problem that manifests itself on the turn and river. About half the hands I posted in the last coffee shop grind were related to missing value on the turn or river vs fish.

2- This month my 3b% is 5.22%. It's ~8.5% in LP, 4% in blinds. This is too low. I'm looking to be a reg that regs hate having on their left. 3b% is going to have to increase, mostly when in position.

When I'm looking to 3b a CO open, I've got to consider a few factors.

1: Open % - Check HUD, check how tight blinds are..
2: Players behind - If no fish, more likely to 3bet.
3: Effective stacks - 150bb+ I should start 3betting anything much more frequently.. If a player is opening 25%, should 3bet 10-25%
4: Fold to 3b % - 0-30%, only value range. 30-65% mostly value, some hands that are nutted. 65%+ Start 3betting relentlessly until they adjust.
5- Starting hand. Generally want to avoid 3betting nutted hands like KK73ss and QQ87. These hands are harder to play post-flop, and suck vs 4bets. Want to try and find hands that don't play well great multi-way, and that are an easy fold or easy call vs a 4b (AA).

Pure value:

AA** (situation dep)
KK67ss-KKQJss
AKK*ss
KK**ds
QQT9ss/QQAKss
QQ67ds-QQT9ds
BBBBds
most BBBBss

semi-bluff

7hi-J-hi ss/ds rundowns/1gappers.
double paird hands
A876ss, A765ss, A654ds


Bluff

If were assuming someone is only 4betting {AA} and calling <35% of 3bets, we want hands that play well against the top 20%. Mostly double suited 2-gappers, ragged rundowns.

QT76ds
Q765ds
JT76ds
J876ss
J976ds



3 - My fold to 3 bet is 62%-- way too high. I need to tighten my opening 88-JJ, bad QQ opening range in the CO/MP vs players that 3b 5%+ on btn/blinds. Bring PFR from ~40% to ~30%.

Need to start defending 80%+ when in position.

4 - Losing money with JJ/QQ again this month. Most of losses seem to come from btn/CO. Basically I call a MP/CO open with JJ/QQ and then a blind comes along. It goes 3 ways to the flop and I have worst relative position and can only continue if I hit a set. Need to get JJ/QQ CCPF in MP/CO/btn from 55% to ~30-40%.
This is awsome info, my 3 bet is pitiful, really only aces and the occasional run down.
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-29-2012 , 09:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kb12345
This is awsome info, my 3 bet is pitiful, really only aces and the occasional run down.
Yeah, pretty typical of low stakes regs imo. It's best against most players because most players have <15% PFR.


Played 2 session today. Went well.. felt like I got exploited by being c/r'ed on super dry boards. Meh.


Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote
11-30-2012 , 07:30 AM
How ur month looking? graph? gl!
Crushing PLO (PLO5--&gt;PLO200) Quote

      
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