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Old 07-26-2012, 11:36 PM   #1
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Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

Title sums it up. I play live NLH and I'm going to learn PLO.

I've done threads in the past;

Live grind: $30,000+ over 1,000 hours, or I quit. LETS DO ITT
Pay for a euro-trip playing poker
live NHL cash pro to crush PLO8 micros


I really enjoy doing these threads, they help with a few things. Mainly, expanding my thoughts, accountability, and motivation.

The last few challenges/threads I've done have been successful, however, I've rarely felt like I pushed my limits. This time I hope to really have a good sweat beating the micros. Online poker has always been much more challenging for me so this will be a difficult task. Lifetime I've got ~$4-5k total profit online over hundreds of hours.

My ultimate goal is to become a great PLO player. I want to have a roll for PLO200 by May 1st 2013. I plan on depositing <$1000 and working it up to $10,000.

I've played about 28k hands of PLO, 90% PLO5 and 10% PLO10. Basically messing around and getting a feel for the game. Graph so far;



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I have been tuning my vpip/PFR/3b ranges. Started around 42/20/4, now I'm playing around 28/18/4.5. I feel comfortable at 28/18 but will probably make adjustments as needed.

Bankroll management will follow Bugs guidelines;

$5PLO to $10PLO:Grind in 20 BI ($100) at $5PLO and build the roll to 50+10 BI ($350) for a shot at $10PLO.

$10PLO to $25PLO:Grind in 40 BI ($400) at $10PLO and build the roll to 50+10 BI ($750) for a shot at $25PLO.

$25PLO to $50PLO:Grind in 40 BI ($1000) at $25PLO and build the roll to 50+10 BI ($1750) for a shot at $50PLO.

$50PLO to $100PLO:Grind in 35 BI ($1750) at $50PLO and build the roll to 50+10 BI ($3500) for a shot at $100PLO.

$100PLO to $200PLO:Grind in 35 BI ($3500) at $100PLO and build the roll to 50+10 BI ($7000) for a shot at $200PLO.

$200PLO: Grind in 15 BI ($3000) to make $10,000 profit.

Will be paying for living expenses with live NLH (40hrs/mo) and rakeback(50-60% @ ipoker/ongame).

I have a skype study group, plenty of vids, and a couple books for help studying. I plan on studying an hour for every 3 hours I play. I will be using the thread for motivation and to hold myself accountable for spewing.

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Old 07-26-2012, 11:40 PM   #2
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

really enjoyed your other threads, GL!

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Old 07-27-2012, 12:02 AM   #3
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

such bankroll management nitttttttttttttttttttttttttt. just step up to 10plo next week then 25plo the week after. u got this, easy game.
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Old 07-27-2012, 01:47 AM   #4
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

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really enjoyed your other threads, GL!
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such bankroll management nitttttttttttttttttttttttttt. just step up to 10plo next week then 25plo the week after. u got this, easy game.
I thought BRM was pretty aggressive tbh. Can't move up that fast-- not going to be playing too much PLO Aug4th-23rd (In LA/Vegas)


I'm spending a couple hours studying before going to bed. Watched 2 vids in a series called "Crushing PLO25" by djross13. I will go over the highlights here to reiterate.

Vid1:

-Starting hands:Optimal VPIP/PFR in the 10-15% range for UTG/MP. Right now 15/11 UTG and 20/16 in MP. Should open 40-50% of btns (which I am)

-BvB: should be really tight in SB. In BB I should be defending ~60%, right now at 43%. Also, can 3b wider IP when weaker villain in sb opens. Also need to raise 30-40% when SB limps into BB. Raising 70-80% when SB has over 65% f2cbet.

-Typical post-flop leaks: Bet sizing should have reasons. I have a huge gap between flop cbet and turn cbet(67,37%) Need to narrow the gap, cbet more when a card hits my perceived range vs nits, cbet turn thin vs fish.

-Mindset/poker related: Join tables based on deepness/% to flop. Keep sessions under 2hours. Stay away from light 3bettors on immediate left. Eat healthy, Sleep well. Study often.

Vid2:

Exploiting the fish: Double barrel frequently when scare cards come that don't hit their entire range. (This is something I never do atm). Raise/fold 2nd nuts. B/f often.

Exploiting the nits: Double/triple barrel when ranges are faceup and weak (aka c/c flop). Rarely defend to multi-street aggression. (c/f top 2 pair on the turn). 3b wide IP with hands like QJ97ds, not AKQ4ass. Float with equity.

Exploiting the monkey: Betting must have a purpose. Have to think through what to do vs a raise. Slowplay more. 3b wide IP for value.. Hands like AKQ4as, not 8754ds. Don't float.

Closing thoughts: Balance is bull****. Hyper exploit.

Other little tricks I'll be utilizing;
Stop loss of 3BIs per session to reduce tilt.
1hour of studying per 3hours of playing.
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Old 07-27-2012, 02:23 AM   #5
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

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Old 07-27-2012, 08:16 AM   #6
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

I'll be looking to take your money all along the way

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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

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Played a solid session to kick off zee challenge. Some interesting hands;

Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $7.85
SB: $4.45
BB: $5.06
UTG: $4.15
Hero (MP): $10.93
CO: $5.47

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has J 9 J K

fold, Hero raises to $0.14, fold, BTN calls $0.14, SB raises to $0.60, fold, Hero calls $0.46, BTN calls $0.46

Flop: ($1.84, 3 players) 5 6 4
SB checks, Hero bets $1.12, BTN calls $1.12, fold

Turn: ($4.08, 2 players) T
Hero checks, BTN bets $2.64, fold

This one was interesting. the 3bettor has 3% 3bet and is a nit with ability to fold aces post flop. I'm semi bluffing this flop trying to fold out both players on an obv scary board for aces. BTN is 35/6 over 50 hands with low agg frq. Not sure if this was the best play here. Maybe check/fold and try and take it down on the turn if it checks through is more optimal.


Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): $5.63
UTG: $6.53
BTN: $6.28
SB: $4.96

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has A 2 9 A

UTG calls $0.04, fold, SB calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.16, UTG calls $0.12, SB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.48, 3 players) 3 4 K
SB checks, Hero bets $0.36, UTG calls $0.36, SB calls $0.36

Turn: ($1.56, 3 players) 3
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($1.56, 3 players) 4
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks

This hand emphasizes what I believe to be my biggest leak, checking back med strength hands on the turn in HU or 3way pots. This is a perfect example where I should b/f the turn.

Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $10.34
SB: $5.16
BB: $23.75
UTG: $4.55
CO: $5.06

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has T 5 T 5

fold, CO raises to $0.12, Hero calls $0.12, fold, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.38, 3 players) 6 5 6
BB checks, CO bets $0.28, Hero calls $0.28, BB calls $0.28

Turn: ($1.22, 3 players) 8
BB checks, CO bets $0.88, Hero calls $0.88, BB calls $0.88

River: ($3.86, 3 players) J
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $1.48, BB raises to $4.44, fold, fold

BB is a 50/11 passive fish. Easy fold on the river. Sucks that I ran into {66}.

Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $3.06
Hero (CO): $5.82
BTN: $4.96
SB: $3.33
BB: $4.43

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 4 A 6 K

fold, Hero raises to $0.14, fold, fold, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.30, 2 players) T 6 K
BB checks, Hero bets $0.20, BB raises to $0.90, Hero calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.10, 2 players) 4
BB bets $2.10, Hero raises to $4.20, BB calls $1.29 and is all-in

River: ($8.88, 2 players) J

This hand is against a good aggressive reg. I have KK and 66 blockers and so many wraps in his range.. Had to get it in the the turn. Not sure if this is the best play.

Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $3.78
UTG: $4.15
MP: $5.86
CO: $4.04
Hero (BTN): $9.23
SB: $5.49

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 9 9 7 8

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.14, Hero raises to $0.48, SB calls $0.46, fold, CO calls $0.34

Flop: ($1.48, 3 players) A T 8
SB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $1.00, SB calls $1.00, fold

Turn: ($3.48, 2 players) 2
SB checks, Hero bets $2.64, SB raises to $4.01 and is all-in, Hero calls $1.37

River: ($11.50, 2 players) Q

Most interesting hand of the session imo. CO is 28/10 with fold23bet of 60%. SB is 35/20, seems like a thinking LAG. I 3b villain on the button earlier with QQj9ds, so I think he perceives I have a wide range. Well played imo. He ran into the bottom of my range on the turn and was only a 52% favorite.
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Old 07-27-2012, 11:03 PM   #8
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Good stuff man. I wouldn't post so many hands though as it can be intimidating and turn away anyone who would respond. I've been going for like 45 mins now lol and my analysis of hand 5 is kinda tired so sry about that

Here are my thoughts:

Hand 1- flop is wp imo although I think it's b/f, as for turn I think I would probably barrel again. Depends on stats. If he has a high call cbet % then def barrel, if low then c/f. With his low agg factor though its tough cuz he might be callnig with a straight. I don't think him checking through gives us that information on the flop though due to his low agg. I'd also consider whether or not I think he would check nuts no re-draw here.

Hand 2- I wouldn't raise pre here as its a pretty weak hand that your pretty much guaranteed to be playing way OOP. Flop just proves the point as betting here is not good either, you'll get called a lot and will have no way of knowing whether or not they have Kxxx, K4xx, 34xx or KKxx. I don't think you should be b/f turn as they're range as noted is always ahead here.
My guess is that your being results oriented with this hand in that they had junk when it got checked down on the river.

Hand 3- Weird hand. I'd check river, only a 6 is calling and thing is at micros they're probably also 3betting it so if your going to fold they're then I would def just check. I suppose a weak flush is calling but a med-high might be 3betting you as well. Although looking back I guess him being a passive fish means he's not 3betting but then I guess I'd look at sample size 3bet%, c/r%, c/c%, c/f% to get an idea. I'd mostly look at c/f given the action. Thing is I think you could have easily ran into 6J, 68, JJ as well which is another reason I don't like the bet. Sorry if that's a bit unorganized XD

Hand 4- Villians play on the turn makes me wary. I'd have to look at his donk% although I don't know if it reads it like that in this situation. I'd def look at his VPIP in the BB to get an idea of his range here. It's gonna be important in determining whether or not he has KQJ10, AKQ10, or 101098, 6789, etc, stuff like that I guess. I think though if your calling the flop then your planning on getting it in especially if a heart hits. If you note that he donks turn like this then I think I'd prefer a 4bet pre...maybe, idk about that actually but I think if he has air more often than not then you will realize your FE better than 3betting on the turn. I guess that's what I'm trying to say lol.

Hand 5- I'd def flat pre here unless you know CO is passive post flop such as high c/f% or high f3bet% (ah just saw his % so I like 3bet). Don't like flop bet, I think you want to see a turn a lot and there's no real benefit of building the pot as a J puts you in a tough spot. Actually, I think a lot of cards put you in a tough spot if CO calls as well which I wouldn't be surprised about when SB calls.
I think you probably ran into the bottom of his range here as well, would be interested in knowing what he had though. I don't feel like I'd ever expect you to be ahead here if you didn't mention the flip. Ummm, I think there's more to look into this hand but would need more stats, especially for turn play.
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Old 07-28-2012, 12:31 AM   #9
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Good stuff man. I wouldn't post so many hands though as it can be intimidating and turn away anyone who would respond. I've been going for like 45 mins now lol and my analysis of hand 5 is kinda tired so sry about that

Here are my thoughts:

Hand 1- flop is wp imo although I think it's b/f, as for turn I think I would probably barrel again. Depends on stats. If he has a high call cbet % then def barrel, if low then c/f. With his low agg factor though its tough cuz he might be callnig with a straight. I don't think him checking through gives us that information on the flop though due to his low agg. I'd also consider whether or not I think he would check nuts no re-draw here.

Hand 2- I wouldn't raise pre here as its a pretty weak hand that your pretty much guaranteed to be playing way OOP. Flop just proves the point as betting here is not good either, you'll get called a lot and will have no way of knowing whether or not they have Kxxx, K4xx, 34xx or KKxx. I don't think you should be b/f turn as they're range as noted is always ahead here.
My guess is that your being results oriented with this hand in that they had junk when it got checked down on the river.

Hand 3- Weird hand. I'd check river, only a 6 is calling and thing is at micros they're probably also 3betting it so if your going to fold they're then I would def just check. I suppose a weak flush is calling but a med-high might be 3betting you as well. Although looking back I guess him being a passive fish means he's not 3betting but then I guess I'd look at sample size 3bet%, c/r%, c/c%, c/f% to get an idea. I'd mostly look at c/f given the action. Thing is I think you could have easily ran into 6J, 68, JJ as well which is another reason I don't like the bet. Sorry if that's a bit unorganized XD

Hand 4- Villians play on the turn makes me wary. I'd have to look at his donk% although I don't know if it reads it like that in this situation. I'd def look at his VPIP in the BB to get an idea of his range here. It's gonna be important in determining whether or not he has KQJ10, AKQ10, or 101098, 6789, etc, stuff like that I guess. I think though if your calling the flop then your planning on getting it in especially if a heart hits. If you note that he donks turn like this then I think I'd prefer a 4bet pre...maybe, idk about that actually but I think if he has air more often than not then you will realize your FE better than 3betting on the turn. I guess that's what I'm trying to say lol.

Hand 5- I'd def flat pre here unless you know CO is passive post flop such as high c/f% or high f3bet% (ah just saw his % so I like 3bet). Don't like flop bet, I think you want to see a turn a lot and there's no real benefit of building the pot as a J puts you in a tough spot. Actually, I think a lot of cards put you in a tough spot if CO calls as well which I wouldn't be surprised about when SB calls.
I think you probably ran into the bottom of his range here as well, would be interested in knowing what he had though. I don't feel like I'd ever expect you to be ahead here if you didn't mention the flip. Ummm, I think there's more to look into this hand but would need more stats, especially for turn play.
thx for the response! Yeah, perhaps I should try and keep hands/post lower. I'll try and keep it to a max of 3.

I'm going to defend my play, was happy in general with how I played the hands posted.

For hand 1, From what I remember he was loose passive. I think it was <50 hand sample, though. Not sure how often he folds if I commit on the turn. given stack sizes, its a ****ty spot. He's got $6 behind and the pots $4.20.. he's gotta fold ~60-70% to make it an okay bet. Not sure how much of his calling range OTF is folding OTT.. :\

Hand 2 Yeah im always raising this, even oop. Limpers were both fish. one showed up with bare 75, another with Kxxx. Pretty sure turn is a B/f vs these types.

Hand 3 was loose passive fish. There is no way hes raising worse, and he may call with a flush. I think the bet was fine. I get value from worse, never get bluffraised by worse. I think sizing was good, too.

Hand 4 was Daomonk, and he showed up with a wrap (and hit the river)

Hand 5 he had AKKQ. (top pair, top kicker)
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

First day was above average. I only made 1 huge mistake imo-- decent for 1400 hands. Paid off $1.75 on a river bet that was going to be the nuts 90%-100% getting 3:1.. pretty spewwwy.



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Villain is 32/4, fairly passive.

Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $8.43
CO: $1.99
BTN: $5.00
SB: $3.95
BB: $6.00
Hero (UTG): $5.00

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has Q Q A K

Hero raises to $0.14, fold, fold, BTN calls $0.14, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.34, 2 players) 3 2 3
Hero bets $0.20, BTN calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.74, 2 players) 4
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.37, Hero calls $0.37

River: ($1.48, 2 players) 8
Hero bets $1.00, fold

Is river bet too much? I'm going for value vs lower flushes, maybe on a paired board something like $.70 is more likely to get looked up by a tighter player..

Edit: My line here is terrible vs a passive player. I should b/f turn and river.

Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $5.00
UTG: $5.74
Hero (CO): $8.58
BTN: $4.38
SB: $5.15

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 7 8 6 7

fold, Hero raises to $0.14, BTN calls $0.14, fold, fold

Flop: ($0.34, 2 players) 7 T A
Hero bets $0.22, BTN calls $0.22

Turn: ($0.78, 2 players) A
Hero bets $0.39, BTN calls $0.39

River: ($1.56, 2 players) Q
Hero bets $0.48, BTN calls $0.48

I'm liking my sizing on this one. Villain is fish, 60/8. Villain had 6-hi flush.. lol.

Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $3.06
Hero (BB): $5.06
UTG: $4.46
MP: $6.48
CO: $6.15
BTN: $2.91

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 5 A K 2

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.14, fold, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.30, 2 players) K 3 K
Hero bets $0.20, BTN calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.70, 2 players) 8
Hero bets $0.56, BTN raises to $2.38, Hero raises to $4.20, BTN calls $0.19 and is all-in

River: ($5.84, 2 players) 4

This hand was ??? This villain and me have lots of history. He has a propensity to look me up super light. Maybe turn is a fold? :\
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Old 07-29-2012, 01:59 PM   #11
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

Yesterday was good. Watched a video series with djross coaching verneer into switching from NLH to PLO25. Useful vids, learned a few tricks.

Played a couple sessions and ended up breaking even.

This hand was my favorite:
Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $6.13
Hero (BTN): $5.00
SB: $1.07
BB: $5.00
UTG: $5.09

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has J 2 A A

UTG raises to $0.12, fold, Hero raises to $0.42, fold, BB calls $0.38, UTG calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.28, 3 players) K 4 8
BB checks, UTG bets $1.28, fold, fold

Spoiler:


Villain is 20/8 with a 5% open UTG over 1k hands. Passive post flop. 99% sure villain had {KK}, maybe Kxxsxs.

Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $6.08
CO: $2.29
Hero (BTN): $5.97
SB: $4.83
BB: $3.61

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has T T J 8

UTG raises to $0.08, CO calls $0.08, Hero raises to $0.38, fold, BB calls $0.34, UTG calls $0.30, CO calls $0.30

Flop: ($1.54, 4 players) 7 5 2
BB checks, UTG bets $1.54, fold, Hero raises to $5.59 and is all-in, fold, UTG calls $4.05

Turn: ($12.72, 2 players) 3

River: ($12.72, 2 players) 9

Spoiler:


This hand was one of the toughest decisions for me yesterday. Villain is 60/40/15 very aggro post-flop. I knew my equity was going to be in the 40-50% range, tough jam with a player behind.
Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $5.00
Hero (BTN): $9.29
SB: $2.31
BB: $3.23
UTG: $3.59
MP: $4.92

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has K 6 K Q

fold, fold, CO raises to $0.14, Hero raises to $0.48, fold, BB calls $0.44, CO calls $0.34

Flop: ($1.46, 3 players) 2 3 6
BB checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.46, 3 players) J
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $1.00, fold, CO raises to $4.46, Hero raises to $7.92, CO calls $0.06 and is all-in

River: ($10.50, 2 players) T

Spoiler:


This hand is against a 20/11 reg. I found it really hard to believe he would check the turn with a strong made hand. Against a big draw I'm a favorite.


Gonna play a couple sessions, hit the coffee shop, and watch batman.
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Old 07-30-2012, 03:45 PM   #12
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Re: Crushing PLO (PLO5-->PLO200)

Yesterday I tiled away 3 BIs in 15minutes playing like absolute ****. I lost a 65/35 and went on tilt and made a few big mistakes. To hold myself accountable, I shall be posting the spew;

Spew 1:

Villain is 75/25/10 very aggro;

Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $6.08
CO: $15.07
BTN: $4.50
SB: $1.87
Hero (BB): $7.51

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 6 4 5 8

fold, CO raises to $0.14, BTN calls $0.14, SB calls $0.12, Hero calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.56, 4 players) J A 6
SB checks, Hero checks, CO checks, BTN bets $0.04, SB calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04, CO raises to $0.08, BTN calls $0.04, SB calls $0.04, Hero calls $0.04

Turn: ($0.88, 4 players) T
SB checks, Hero checks, CO bets $0.88, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.88

River: ($2.64, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, CO bets $2.64, Hero calls $2.64

Spoiler:


Spew 2:

Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $4.66
Hero (BTN): $5.00
SB: $5.15
BB: $6.73
UTG: $5.02

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 7 T 9 8

fold, CO raises to $0.14, Hero raises to $0.48, fold, fold, CO calls $0.34

Flop: ($1.02, 2 players) K 2 3
CO checks, Hero bets $0.52, CO calls $0.52

Turn: ($2.06, 2 players) 7
CO checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.06, 2 players) 5
CO checks, Hero bets $1.60, CO calls $1.60

Spoiler:


Spew3:

Villain is 25/7 and I have a read that he called me down super light on a previous hand when I checked the turn.

Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $2.27
Hero (BB): $5.07
UTG: $8.90
CO: $4.08
BTN: $6.26

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has 6 5 3 5

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.12, Hero calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.24, 2 players) K 4 Q
SB bets $0.16, Hero calls $0.16

Turn: ($0.56, 2 players) 7
SB checks, Hero bets $0.42, SB calls $0.42

River: ($1.40, 2 players) A
SB checks, Hero bets $0.92, SB calls $0.92

Spoiler:



Disappointed in myself for these plays and have realized I need lots of work to improve at the internet pokerz.

I decided to invest in "The mental game of poker" (actually, before purchase I tried pirating it for about 30minutes but couldn't find a free version?). I'm going to be making my way through this book slowly and trying to improve my "Mental game". For those that have read the book, I'd consider myself a mental TAGfish at the moment.
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Old 07-30-2012, 09:46 PM   #13
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Right then, played another pretty poor session this evening. Generally playing too loose. Allin EV was down 3BIs and I finished in the positive(lol omaha). It was the first time I've ever been sweat during a session. It was certainly an interesting experience. I think I get a bit lost in my thoughts when I'm being sweat though, we'll have to figure out a better approach in the future.

Read the first 2 chapters of "The Mental Game of Poker", and subsequently developed a pre-game ritual designed to clear my mind and get into a positive mindset before starting a session. Pre-game ritual is a solid 5 minutes of awesome prep.

2.5BB/100 over 30k hands at PLO5. Still feel like I am a fish though and don't want to move up until I get back to Canada on August 24th. My micro game still needs some tuning and my mental game is a C-.
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Decent session today. Made a couple large mistakes that I recognized. Once I called a re-raise with the second nut boat on the river, oops.

Few hands I was unsure on the correct play, posted in PLO forums for scrutiny.

Thankfully, I played a few hands very well which I'm happy about.



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Bad news.. I'm a break-even player over 20k hands.

Good news.. If I filter out hands where I called a donk bet with an overpair on the flop I am a 8.5BB/100 winner over 20k hands.

Definition of a leak? I think so.
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gl op, i will be following.
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Bad news.. I'm a break-even player over 20k hands.

Good news.. If I filter out hands where I called a donk bet with an overpair on the flop I am a 8.5BB/100 winner over 20k hands.

Definition of a leak? I think so.
wanted to add, this doesn't take into account the money I lost when I fold an overpair to a donk bet, so the stat isn't really useful. I'm likely a 4-5BB/100 winner if I folded much more often to donk bets with an overpair.


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gl op, i will be following.
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Good work your putting in so far, any hands you wanna discuss, flick them thru to me on Skype!
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Good work your putting in so far, any hands you wanna discuss, flick them thru to me on Skype!
Sounds good. Hopefully we can get on at the same time at some point.



My PLO game has hardly improved in the last couple days... but.. I have enjoyed winning ~20BIs in the past 2k hands and running ~15BIs above allin EV. Weeeeee

Still have some major leaks, mostly mental. Can't stop bluffing raising. Can't stop paying off 50bb+ river pot bets when it goes b/c b/c c/bet pot on a blank-ish river. Players just aren't jamming pot for 50-100bb as a bluff that often at PLO5.

Anyways, I'll let myself go through one big downswing before moving up to PLO10 given it happens before Sept 1st.

Will be playing/studying <20hours/wk the next 3 weeks-- Playing live NLH instead. May try some $1/2/$1/3 live PLO.
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gl and keep it up sir!
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I will some day pull my PLO game up but not here and not sure if I have the time; worried it will take too long a time.

Vs. a donk bet, I hardly know a game where the donker would be so strong but one needs to look into who donks and what's on the board (why is he donking) and maybe if it's a zoom or not where the donker might be stronger. I think the donker has enough of a hand much of the time that the overpair isn't much until it just calls and then folds to another bet on the turn or maybe at the river, depending of the turn, player, limit.
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I will some day pull my PLO game up but not here and not sure if I have the time; worried it will take too long a time.

Vs. a donk bet, I hardly know a game where the donker would be so strong but one needs to look into who donks and what's on the board (why is he donking) and maybe if it's a zoom or not where the donker might be stronger. I think the donker has enough of a hand much of the time that the overpair isn't much until it just calls and then folds to another bet on the turn or maybe at the river, depending of the turn, player, limit.
Well, c/r has less value, esp in multiway pots.

For instance, if the it goes to the flop 3 or 4 handed (normal in PLO5), the PFR is going to be cbetting a low % of the time, and almost never with a weak range.

If you have QQ on a Q76xx board 4ways, your best off donking because a quarter of the deck is a scare card on the turn and the PFRer is almost always checking back.

I would spew the most in situations with a pair an overpair facing a pot size donk on the flop, with a overpair+BD draws and always call a big bet on a turn that I pick up equity. It's like I was "Sticking to my plan" but in reality I'm just making a bigger mistake because of a mistake I made on the flop.

I watched too many PLO100-200 videos which had wider donking ranges. It's always whatever villain perceives as the nuts at PLO5.
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Wow.. even after 1 month of no holdem and all PLO my NLH game got rusty. Made a couple borderline plays last session. Hope my PLO game won't be rusty in 3 weeks

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NLH game def has some rust on it. Playing $2/3 for the next couple days until I feel more confident in my playing.

Meanwhile I've been reading leatherass' "Treat your poker like a business"-- a great book. One quote that really resonating with me; "Premature realization of skill.Like the other premature problem, this one also blows. Skill is only proven when it shows up in big pots, tilt sessions, running bad, higher stakes, or whatever is the toughest spot for you. Otherwise, keep working. You haven’t learned it yet." I find myself consistently struggling in the same types of scenarios wether online PLO or live NLH. I have tremendous trouble playing my A-game while losing.

The book has a small section written by Jared Tendler (Mental poker coach). I really liked one of the things he wrote.. Instead of defining results as $ won or lost, he said it was a combination of factors;

• How well you played overall
• Quality of your thinking
• Quality of decisions
• Number and size of mistakes
• Quality of focus (“The Zone,” autopilot, distractions, boredom)
• Length of time spent focused and playing well
• Length of the session
• Ability to manage emotions, focus and thinking
• Ability to work through a tough mental or emotional spot

I want to get into the habit of going through this mental check list when I post my results instead of just posting $won/lost.
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Yeah, just cashed $3937 at the $100-300 buy-in game at Hustler. Lol, missed live pokers.
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