nice regrind
not orrying about results but instead worrying about sticking to a schedule/playing well is a very underrated skill to have. dont think u can succeed in poker without it

h1 u dont think jamming does better than x/calling?


glgl

Do you really need to bet turn hand #2 with those stacks?

Yeah I agree, but its easy for me to say while Im running good overall. When the real downswing hits my mindset might not be so solid.

Jamming might be better, I just snap checked way too fast ingame simply because this river is so awful for my range. Looking at it now xc might be the worst option, but they are all fairly close probably.

Ty!

Im not sure, I just figured its gonna be really difficult for him to defend optimaly. Might be totally wrong tho

Remembrance of Earth's Past/The three body problem. Science fiction but definitely worth the read. Amazon bought the rights I think to televise this.

Ooh and **** you.

I highly recommend Leo Gura @ http://www.actualized.org and check out his youtube channel tons of videos about a huge variety of topics

Thanks, I never read much scifi, so might be a good start

always a pleasure talking to you man

Isnt he some kind of a life coach? Im rather pessimistic about listening to these kind of people, so I think Ill pass. Thanks for the idea tho.

The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand

The Art of Strategy by Avinash Dixit. It's about game theory. It probably won't help your poker game, but I think poker players would find this sort of thing interesting anyway.

Thanks guys, added to the list.

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Last two days:



Tables were amazing, I just didnt play that well and ran pretty poorly. Some plays I made this weekend were abysmal, mainly because Im unmotivated and just play fast to get it done with. Not sure whats going on, but gotta fix it asap.
Also got outplayed in couple of spots by a friend, which never feels good

Some big hands:

1) session saver


2) Im dumb



3)


4) buttonclicking fest


Probably gonna take it slow for the rest of the day. Might look into few hands in PIO, but nothing in-depth. Tomorrow is my day off, but will probably use it to study quite a bit.

For hand two you think you should be check folding river?

What about range checking turn? It's not like you have an overpair advantage ott, since if villain is decent he doesn't have a 5betting range in this spot. Also it's very hard to balance your betting range since you don't have many obvious bluffs other than 9Ts/QTs which are low frequency 4bets anyway.

You would be either overbluffing a lot or underbluffing with a crappy x range (most common among population), making it very easy for the opponent to play vs that, making AA a x/f otr when it could easily be a std x/c x/c

Another argument for range x turn is that since villain is IP he can control the size of the pot as much as he wants, so your range is in a big disadvantage even if it has a higher equity than villain's range his EV should be higher because he has more nutted combos in his range and more high equity semibluffs while your range has a lot of SDV with some thin value going on but few strong value combos.

I think betting river myself (either jamming or blocking) is gonna be superior to x/calling or x/folding

why?

Why is pio checking back the nuts on flop ?

youre talking about 542T hand? Dont know if pio does or not, I didnt have the nuts fwiw

I was curious nice betsize

I've made some calculations here with 200bb deep and sizings you used and a 5-bet jam bluff needs to work 85% of the time to breakeven if villain continues only with AA.

I've used monker solver's ranges and if monker continues only with AA, he will be folding 92% of the time, but take into consideration that monker 4-bets more than 20% of his pre-flop RFI, which doesn't happen ever IRL I think, if CO calls with KK/AA, then our bluff with A5s needs to work around 79% of the time and villain would be folding 84%.

Note that this is before blockers, so there's even more upside to 5-bet bluffing there.

A5 blocks 10 combos of bluffs and 3 of AA
so OOP will be folding 95% if he continues only with AA.

Now if OOP continues with KK only, then it's 9 combos of KK/AA and 75-10 4-bet combos = 86% folds.

Yeah, you're right, vs monker solver ranges it's possible to build a 5-bet jamming range 200bb deep, I thought that it wouldn't be possible to do it because it would be very hard to find profitable bluffs for that, since we are risking so much to win so little the bluff would need to work a lot.

What worse hands are calling you if you jam? There's KK, 1 combo left of AJs, 3 of JTs and 3 combos of JKs, is villain floating turn with any AQ? Probably not, so when you jam you're relying on villain to be calling TT/AJ/KJs/99/JTs close to 100% of the time.

If villain calls all of those, they are 25 combos that you beat, villain has 9 combos of sets, 4 of straights and 2 of JQ, that's 15 combos that beat you. So I think jamming for value is quite ambitious since few people will defend the river that wide, if villain defends only JTs+, then that's 13 combos, the jam would be losing vs check or block

In a more realistic scenario where villain calls river with KK+, then the jam is terrible. Sure, if you overbluff turn vs that you're printing and should jam AA for value, but are you bluffing enough OTT with naked AK no draw other than AKcc/AQcc to justify that?

That's why I said x range OTT is a good idea, could go bigger otf with range and x most turns.

thanks for the heads up, will do my best to have the nuts

You talk in absolutes a lot for someone who did literally zero theory work in his life

1. Do you know who was the villain? Do you know his tendencies with big enough confidence? Do you know how he perceives my game?
2. How wide is he peeling pre considering we're 200bb deep?
3. What hands do you think he calls the turn with and how much is he supposed to defend otr in the equlibrium?
4. Do I know how he deviates from that? Are you confident enough that he's overfolding to start jamming any two on the river?


About 5betting range - what if he 5bets smaller?

It's possible to study poker theory without pio, if you think the only way to do that is with pio then you're right, I had close to 0 time using pio.

With the exploitative stuff/how villain perceives you, almost any play can be justified, so by using that argument theory is thrown out of the window.

But even if villain perceives you as very aggro, what bluffs do you have OTR? It's not like villain will call you with any pair because he thinks you're aggro. I always had a very aggro image and people made insane light calls vs me all the time and in some spots where it's hard to find natural bluffs I've seen people tank folding vs me a lot only because they thought even for me it was hard to find bluffs.

Unless villain is a whale, jamming with AA is bad, even orojanivu wouldn't call that wide imo.

And you're right about the small 5-bet, I thought 5-betting small would commit our AK/JJ into calling a 6-bet which isn't the case

Rapi thought you were taking a 4 month break from poker lol

From playing and posting in my thread haha

ekhm, sure? Im not discussing theory tho, Im saying what I think the best play is against certain villain.

if you consider gutters/open enders as the only natural bluffs then sure

whale or PIO, but who would see the difference right?


Anyway, I consider jamming river razor thin if anything, personally Im torn between blocking and x/folding. Also I dont see the reason to check turn with our whole range.

****, didnt want to sound like an arrogant dick, but for some reason it just tilts me to see someone label certain lines as absolutely "terrible" and "bad", especially when this someone cant even be confident what hes saying is correct.

So now you just clog up everyone else’s with endless paragraphs of drivel?

Sorry, man, I chose words poorly there, didn't want to trigger you.

You have chosen your words poorly again there. Telling someone you didn't want to "trigger" them is a sure fire way to trigger them