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Originally Posted by CRAIBaby
In terms of the difference between the fully enlightened state and the I-disorder. The I-disorder still suggests a sense of self, just a disordered version of it. The fully enlightened experience is devoid of a sense of self. Everything is experienced as dependently arising perfection.
First of all, thanks for the detail reply and the link - will check it out and also have ordered already his book which you recommended (german version tough).
Not sure about the quoted final paragraph.
Just have no clue bout how a life might even look like - will listen to the link you posted.
Also you seem to be at least in the sense for real, that you do not give a fukk bout all this religious part of buddhism and you try to explore what's real.
I do not get the part where people always refer that with enlightment there comes the realization that we all one and what not.
But I truly wonder how high the chance is that this sense is just unreal in terms of like a halluzination and shifted sense of reality as one might experience by taking psychedellic drugs?
Universe can be just random and non-deterministic, evolution can be random and we are just individual mammals - no "perfect" unity at all.
I mean,such questions are so easy to put when you wanna try to falsify your own biases (scientific approach).
Why nobody seems to consider the possibility that all the results from year long meditation are just non-real shifted fantasy-realities as any
psychedellic drug noise trip most likely is as well (and no gate to the real reality aka enlightement).
Usually at this point I would often get the argument "Trust me, once you are there, you know its real real and so long you just cannot know".
This is tbh such an absurd laughable weak argument - I mean, paranoid heavily shizophrenia-disordered and mentally sick people also are 100% convinced that their experienced reality is 100% true, while it is obviously not.
Hence experiencing a dtm-trip or getting after year long meditation practice more and more "awakening-moments" are at least for me no evidence that what you think is real, really is reality.
I hope you know what I mean, it is not easy to express my thoughts on this one in words and english being not my first language does not make things easier xD
But in regards to my previous post you also have understood where I was coming from, so hopefully this will be also the case here ^^
offtopic:
Do you know in accident the youtuber Leo Gura?
He is a former selfhelp-guy, but seems nowadays to wander on the path of enlightment - his recent material seems somewhat fancy, lol, to put it mildly inclusive dtm-trips live on air xD
If you happen to know him, is he or his way in your eyes legit?
He is a good example for what I fear.
Like 2 years ago he still made just very wordly personal development stuff, had himself very normal and relateable goals and what not.
Nowadays, I would think, what the **** has happened to him and was he kidnapped maybe by aliens xD
To be fair, thats only an superficial spontaneous impression from me, since I did not watch his new highly enlightement content at all...
But come on, drug trips live on air xD
Is this how it will end for all of us practitioners, finally xD
If so, I do not know, but actually I would like to stay away from being at risk at getting delivered by force to a mental hospital, at some point xD
Again, my impression can be off here, but yeah - some of this way seems to me fancy, some other stuff pretty helpful and beneficial.
Last edited by Magistero; 04-21-2019 at 01:29 PM.