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04-22-2019 , 08:05 AM
Self-optimisation ftw! gl!
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04-22-2019 , 12:05 PM
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Just wondering if there is a path to enlightenment that doesn't involve becoming an insufferable bore along the way?
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04-23-2019 , 02:41 AM
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Very well said imo


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This breakdown seems GTO, OP seems well intended but gives off that Jim Carrey vibe where every word he utters is so inherently wise (that 'know it all' vibe)
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04-24-2019 , 03:40 AM
Ah, the internet. How far we haven't come...

The mask argument is because I haven't even mentioned anything like that at all.

The ad hominem is even weaker. I repeat once again: just take what has value to you and toss out the rest. Why care who said it and how they said it? It either makes sense or it doesn't. This is the internet, not some niceness contest where I have to please you; unless I somehow messed up the URL and ended in some pussy version of what looks like 2p2.


Peace and mucho love
CRAI

ps: there is no one behind the mask, nor is there a mask.

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04-24-2019 , 04:00 AM
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I do not get the part where people always refer that with enlightment there comes the realization that we all one and what not.
But I truly wonder how high the chance is that this sense is just unreal in terms of like a halluzination and shifted sense of reality as one might experience by taking psychedellic drugs?
Universe can be just random and non-deterministic, evolution can be random and we are just individual mammals - no "perfect" unity at all.
I mean,such questions are so easy to put when you wanna try to falsify your own biases (scientific approach).
Why nobody seems to consider the possibility that all the results from year long meditation are just non-real shifted fantasy-realities as any
psychedellic drug noise trip most likely is as well (and no gate to the real reality aka enlightement).
Usually at this point I would often get the argument "Trust me, once you are there, you know its real real and so long you just cannot know".

I get you.

So there are two possibilities

a) there are self-existing entities
b) there are no self-existing entities

Somehow conventional consensus is a. However, let's take a look at the implications of cause and effect.

I quote Culadasa (John Yates, Ph.D.):

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Dependent Arising in the general sense is expressed in the simple formula:
When this is, that is.
When this arises, that arises.
When this isn’t, that isn’t.
When this ceases, that ceases.

To most of us today, this just seems like common sense. Nevertheless, very few of us fully appreciate all of the implications of these simple statements.

The subtle implications of Dependent Arising are as follows:
1. Nothing stands outside of cause and effect.
In other words, anything that happens has a cause. No exceptions. Nothing can happen without a cause.
Furthermore, anything that happens produces effects. Always. Nothing that happens is ever without consequences.
Therefore, anything that appears to be “supernatural” or “magic” only appears that way because we don’t fully understand the causes. The laws of causality are never violated.

2. All that arises due to causes and conditions must also pass away.
When the cause is absent, there can be no effect. When there is no effect, it is because there is no cause.
When the cause ceases, so does the effect. When the effect ceases, it is because the cause has ceased.
Everything, therefore, is impermanent.

3. Anything that arises does so in dependence upon multiple causes and conditions.
We usually think of cause and effect in a linear relationship, with one cause leading to one effect. But any real event actually involves the simultaneous presence of multiple causes and conditions.
And if we enumerate all of the immediate causes and conditions necessary for a particular effect, each of those, in turn, depend upon multiple causes and conditions.
And so on it goes, in an ever-widening web of causality.
Each individual thing or event is the nexus of a massive causal convergence.

4. Causes and effects always arise together.
We usually think of cause and effect as two separate entities, with the cause always preceding the effect.
But the potential effect is already present in each contributing cause, even before all of the other necessary causes and conditions have arisen. And all of the contributing causes are inherently present within every effect. Cause and effect are not separate entities, arising and passing away in sequence.
Rather, they are part of a continuous process, with every contributing cause and every possible effect inherently present in every part of the process.
The arising and passing away of separate “things” is an illusion. There is just a single, continuous process.

5. Everything everywhere is causally interconnected.
Because causality is a single continuous process, and because absolutely everything has multiple causes and conditions, and because absolutely everything produces multiple consequences, everything is interdependent with everything else.
Dependent Arising is sometimes called Interdependent Co-arising for this very reason.

Absolutely everything and everyone is an interpenetrating, inseparable part of a single, indivisible, causally interdependent whole, best conceived of as a process.

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04-25-2019 , 02:45 PM
Just some notes about causality.
In quantum physics, there are some examples of violence of local causality that was proved experimentally. If you are interested in and have a strong mathematical background check Bell's inequations for Hilbert space operators and their violations.

The problem is that causality is just a way how we people see the world, and how we think about it. It is kind of Newtonian viewing of the world and it is a simplified view that is limited and also determined by our cognitive abilities (which are really limited). Quantum physics view of the world shows us that everything is much more complicated and it also demonstrates how our deterministic and causal view of the world is wrong.

GL at the tables.
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04-25-2019 , 05:07 PM
head hurts
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04-25-2019 , 07:57 PM
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Just some notes about causality.
In quantum physics, there are some examples of violence of local causality that was proved experimentally. If you are interested in and have a strong mathematical background check Bell's inequations for Hilbert space operators and their violations.

The problem is that causality is just a way how we people see the world, and how we think about it. It is kind of Newtonian viewing of the world and it is a simplified view that is limited and also determined by our cognitive abilities (which are really limited). Quantum physics view of the world shows us that everything is much more complicated and it also demonstrates how our deterministic and causal view of the world is wrong.

GL at the tables.

Hey man,

yup you're absolutely right.

In fact, that's why we prefer not calling it cause and effect and instead call it dependent arising. Newtonian linear causality and deterministic worldview is indeed flawed. Dependent arising, however, when explained well, should eventually be able to incorporate quantum mechanics and a probabilistic instead of a deterministic understanding of the world.

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When this is, that is.
When this arises, that arises.
When this isn’t, that isn’t.
When this ceases, that ceases.
Does not actually imply linear causality. It just states that everything that happens has an effect (whatever that effect may be!). And every effect arose out of conditions leading up to the effect. If you read through the 5 points thoroughly, it should be clear that we're not actually talking about separate causes and effects. Phrasing like that can indeed be confusing, but it's the best way for most people to be able to picture it.
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04-29-2019 , 07:45 AM
Week 2
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05-03-2019 , 09:58 AM
First of all, thanks for your previous reply, much appreciated!
Also reading already your recommended book and it seems pretty methodological which gives me some hope that the content might indeed work xD


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Since today is my day off, I decided I will make a little post on a topic of my choice. Perhaps this can be a regular thing. Eventually, I will probably get a website done where I can structure everything better.

Not so long ago, I was pondering why so many people are not interested in transcendence; especially when phrased in the "end of suffering" kind of way. Clearly, there is a lack of recognition of incentive.


Maslow's 8 level Hierarchy of Needs




I find this model remarkably accurate when looking back at my own development.
This also explains why some people are not interested in self-actualization at all; they simply have some other needs to take care of.

This pyramid can help you evaluate where you are in your own journey:
Which needs appear the most important to you at the moment? Work on those first.

How do you work on a need?
1. Evaluate your need in-depth. (Often we have needs that are based on belief-structures that are evidently flawed.)
2. Adapt your need.
3. Fulfill your need.

You can repeat this process multiple times.
As you clear up your deficiency needs, growth needs will naturally arise.
Ultimately all roads lead towards self-actualization, and finally, transcendence. Having a strongly developed self-actualization aspect will help a lot. This is the reason why there are laypeople who make rapid progress, while some monks never become enlightened; the latter never went through self-actualization and just got forced into having to transcend, while they still had all kinds of other issues they subconsciously needed to deal with. Same goes for spiritual seekers who never went through self-actualization; they often haven't developed the skillsets required for exponential growth.

One note that I would like to add is that "aesthetic needs" is entirely aesthetic. So, if one tries to look better in order to gain esteem, a feeling of belonging, or love (so, most cases), it is not an aesthetic need. One should work on these aspects first. There can be mixed needs though.
I want to quote this post, since as interesting it is, it also creates questions.


First of all, the hypothesis is that self-actualization is only realistically (for most) achievable when you have basically
mastered /booked(to an enough satisfying degree) the previous stages of the pyramide of needs and that without selfactualization,
transcending or "waking up" (you also did mean waking up?) is not for most , realistically possible, right?

If so, then is it true, that for some people "waking up" will be never possible?

Examples might be, that one is born into poverty without any realistic chance to escape it (1st stage already - physiological needs).
Another one might be, that one has an accident which lets his face being extremely deformed - such an individual might have trouble with stage 3 and 4.
Especially with stage 4 within the standard pyramide of maslow where afaik stage 4 is Self-esteem and has the side aspects recognition, validation, respect, etc...
Maybe such a person would also never be able to book the stage "aestethic needs" or what is meant with this stage?

There are likely many other examples, you could imagine where an individual simply cannot book all underlying stages which do come before and hence which are mandatory for the stage self-actualization which in itself is the condition for having a realistic chance for enlightenment.
Hence many individuals just will not be able to "succeed" on this path?


@Poker


How can I imagine you, when you are in a long downswing?
I mean, to be honest, I simply have major difficulties in buying it that there is no suffering at all.
I have grinded myself for a living, for almost an entire decade.
Have worked with several pokermindset-coaches together, and what not.
But the suffering which poker provides in terms of its many tilt-forms have never gone away.
And I think that this is just perfectly normal, since certain situation in poker do activate certain biochemistrical reactions which do lead to suffer.
And this is true for every human brain.

So imo, even your brain should release lots of stress-hormones when you face a congnitive-difficult situation, where you need to decide finally for an action, although you do not 100% know the right solution to the spot yet (unless realtimesolver is on xD) and the outcome will be resultsorioned negative within aa time, where you already run like sh it for the last 50k hands.

I mean, your brain cannot be so different from ours and should also treat you in such situations with a biochemistrical cocktail of various stress-hormones?
Hehe, by all respect, I simply cannot imagine (my phantasy is not large enough) that you now (after your comeback) are able to experience all this sideeffects of poker 100% without any suffering.
Would be interesting to install a hidden camera in the room you have your grindstation and see how it is xD

As said,

my imagination just is not enough to believe it, especially combined with my knowledge about how human brains are working in regard to this context.
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05-04-2019 , 12:21 AM
Glad you're enjoying the book.

Every need is psychological. This means, that in order to overcome a need, one can either attain the objects behind the need to a satisfactory degree, or overcome the psychological aspect behind that need; i.e. realize that whatever need they felt was not actually a need, just a want. Then one can let go of that want.

With your poker question: yes, no tilt. Disappointment is based on interpretation of events. My brain is not anatomically different than yours; it just processes things differently, and that's trainable.
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05-04-2019 , 02:39 AM
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Glad you're enjoying the book.

yeah, it seems really pretty high-quality and just like a solid guide.

Every need is psychological. This means, that in order to overcome a need, one can either attain the objects behind the need to a satisfactory degree, or overcome the psychological aspect behind that need; i.e. realize that whatever need they felt was not actually a need, just a want. Then one can let go of that want.

Ok, this clears my concern in fact up, thx for replying.

With your poker question: yes, no tilt. Disappointment is based on interpretation of events. My brain is not anatomically different than yours; it just processes things differently, and that's trainable.

Interesting.
I mean, still impossible to imagine for me.
Hm, in terms of processing things differently:
You mean into the direction like behavioral psychology is trying to do?
Like changing thoughts about something which then shall lead to another emotional reaction?
In this case it is an active attempt to change interpretation which would make the brain even release in certain situations less stresshormones and maybe more "luckhormones" than it was before (for a patient).
Or is it for you inactive, so that your brain would still release
stress-hormones, when an instinct-based unsatisfying event arises
(e.g. a loss), but somehow it would not result in an emotional and
physical reaction, as it is normally the case?
And how is it trainable?


Maybe simple question:
When you have to decide if you either do your meditation-practice once a day for 50 minutes straight or 2 x 25 minutes, which option would you personally prefer? If option 1, what would be your preferred time of the day?
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05-04-2019 , 03:17 AM
Sry, I cannot edit anymore my post (30 min passed), but would like to include 4 more questions:

What are aesthetic needs according to Maslow?
I cannot find a good subscription to it, other than the ability to experience beauty which leads to the question what is beauty according to maslow?

Also, lets say on particular days of my week, I have less time - is it
all right to then meditate only for like 20 min and on other for 50 min i.e. is it all right when the duration is not always the same?

Is caffeine pre meditation practice acceptable?

Finally, what is your opinion on psychedellic drugs?
I mean, I am pretty sceptical towards that - you know in accident, what John Yates thinks about them in regards to enhancing/speeding up progress?
If you are for it, then under which circumstances and under which timing?
I find it hard to believe that it is for an inexperienced practioners or nowadays just for like everybody a good idea to take dtm, lsd or lsa and feel for the purpose of understanding deeper truths or whatever consumers claim or think they might have experienced.
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05-04-2019 , 04:46 AM
With regards to the poker thing: it's not a mindset thing. Personal gain/loss is simply not processed anymore; these concepts don't actually have any ground in reality. When I lose a big pot or receive a 2-outer, that's not experienced as a personal loss. It's just the way it is and could never be otherwise. Anything that we experience as personal is entirely mentally constructed, and strictly speaking, delusional.
How is it trainable? Get to stage 10 of TMI.


Re meditation practice. I'd prefer doing 50 minutes straight. First thing in the morning after a cold shower to get you fully awake.

Don't have any experience with caffeine but generally recommend getting off that.

Aesthetic needs are things you want to do simply to express beauty, whatever that means to you. This could be learning the piano, poetry, art, etc.

Don't worry too much about sitting the same amount of time everyday. The most important thing is that you do it every day (or close to). I'd recommend for beginners to move from 10 minutes everyday towards 30 minutes everyday. Then eventually you can move to 45, then 1 hour etc.

I stated my opinions on psychedelic drugs on page 1.


Hope that helps,
Wey
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05-04-2019 , 01:32 PM
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With regards to the poker thing: it's not a mindset thing. Personal gain/loss is simply not processed anymore; these concepts don't actually have any ground in reality. When I lose a big pot or receive a 2-outer, that's not experienced as a personal loss. It's just the way it is and could never be otherwise. Anything that we experience as personal is entirely mentally constructed, and strictly speaking, delusional.
How is it trainable? Get to stage 10 of TMI.

Hopefully I will one day xD

Re meditation practice. I'd prefer doing 50 minutes straight. First thing in the morning after a cold shower to get you fully awake.

all right, sounds good to me.

Don't have any experience with caffeine but generally recommend getting off that.

Many practitioners seem to not mind it in regards to meditation, but when you recommend generally to get off it, due to health reasons, then to be honsest by researching you might fin that your current educational level on this aspect is simply false.
In short, if not crossing a daily dosage of about 400 mg/day (on average - it varies a bit on how much one weights, but not a lot), there is no risk as many people have thought in the past in regards to for instance cardiovascular context and in fact there are plenty of beneficial aspects for health, such as caffeine is rich in antioxidiantes, good for brain etc...


Aesthetic needs are things you want to do simply to express beauty, whatever that means to you. This could be learning the piano, poetry, art, etc.

ah, I think I got it. For me its programming/coding maybe and just general stuff.
Also I find beauty in lifting weights which is my choice of sport for many years now.
Interesting enough, when working out, I oftentimes get in some pretty good mindful moments (as i define it as noob, currently) which can easily compete with the moments within my meditation practices.
I have even a theory why this might be the case:
Blood moves from brain to the muscles you are working out -> less blood in brain -> maybe less cognitive activity -> less mind****/less thinking/ruminating and less "monkey mind" -> more mindfulness and more peace.
Chances are that my theory is just total bs xD

Don't worry too much about sitting the same amount of time everyday. The most important thing is that you do it every day (or close to). I'd recommend for beginners to move from 10 minutes everyday towards 30 minutes everyday. Then eventually you can move to 45, then 1 hour etc.

Yeah, I have started few months back indeed with 10 minutes.
Now I am on 5 days at 20 minutes and at weekends or days where I have no lectures at university at 45 minutes (mb will copy your 50 min^^).
Is there for you a daily cap in terms of how much time you want to spend for your daily meditation practice?
Maybe in regards to benefit(progress)/cost(time)-ratio?
Other than that, I also believe that doing it daily without any exception is very important in order to make it a habit - I do it also after my bathroom-routine post waking up.
Unfortunately Im a bad waking-up-guy and cold showering does the job for me, when my practice would have the length of 5 minutes, but not 20min+
So my wake-up drink is still my good coffee, which I honestly do not mind due to above posted aspects, but still was wondering if it is for serious practitioners legit or "allowed" - hope that John Yates will cover also in his book such noobish basic concerns for beginners.

I stated my opinions on psychedelic drugs on page 1.

Have read it and it cleared it up - thanks.


Hope that helps,
Wey
just curious:
You ever use or have used earplugs for your meditation practice and/or have any thoughts on it?

Other than that, thanks for answering
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05-06-2019 , 01:58 AM
Week 3





Life

Health & Exercise
- Prehab: injury spoofing the body
- Establish daily stretch and posture fixing routine
- Then, work towards setting up a workout & nutrition regime for muscle growth

Meditation
- Continue working towards stage 10 Samatha
- Continue investigating the subtlest signs of self-clinging in terms of illusoriness and unsatisfactoriness
- Maintain strong metacognitive awareness throughout the day, abide in agentlessness
- Study Abhidhamma

Random
- Clean up the apartment and discuss with gf what you both can do in order to keep it very clean all the time
- Optimize your schedule
- Read Essentialism
- Start setting up coaching business

Leisure
- Read Future of humanity
- Read Order of time

Taking my girlfriend out to onsen tomorrow followed by a bicycle ride around a little isle in the city. Looking forward.
Also, my meditation cushion for which I paid 70 USD shipping (!) is arriving today or tomorrow; looking forward to getting my butt imprint printed firmly into it.



Good luck this week everyone and take it easy
CRAI

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05-06-2019 , 08:52 PM
This thread has a great potential, please dont stop posting because of the huge negativity that people tend to have on those subjects.
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05-06-2019 , 09:42 PM
"One who sees everything as nothing but the Self, and the Self in everything one sees, such a seer withdraws from nothing. For the enlightened, all that exists is nothing but the Self, so how could any suffering or delusion continue for those who know this oneness?" -- The Upanishads page 61
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05-07-2019 , 12:11 PM
Awesome thread. It's sad and funny to see people instantly rejecting such an interesting perspective of the world based on the exact process of perceiving reality that you described.

I have heard the same thing you are being told here multiple times - that the way you speak sounds arrogant - and then this immediately pushes people away. I also wish we could all just focus on the content of what is said, but it seems that's something really hard for humans, and I include myself there.

That said, I do think that if one desires to be heard and communicate things efficiently with people that are expected to react in such way, he should make an effort to improve communication skills. That is something I'm working on at the moment.

Looking forward to more posts, will definitely check out the recommended books.

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05-08-2019 , 07:31 AM
Glad to hear it's helping some, and I agree with improving communication skills. It's more tricky when the receiving audience is split into quite different categories, however.

Wrt Upanishads quote above: according to the Buddha, Advaita is wrong-view. I agree with that. I think some of it might be due to semantics (even though that too would be somewhat of a stretch), but it is evident that many practitioners are simply deluding themselves, and the way things are phrased certainly has to do with that.
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05-08-2019 , 10:25 AM
Osho was asked why one should seek enlightenment. The merchant mind always wants to realize some sort of profit if it is going to undertake any kind of disciplined endeavor. He replied something along the lines of one should seek it for the same reason a drunkard seeks to get drunk, enlightenment is a sort of emotional drunkeness, except the state is permanent and causes no hangovers. He said a enlightened man will appear drunk when you see him walking as he is "outside" or unidentified with the body. What are your thoughts on these things?
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05-08-2019 , 08:56 PM
First of all, Osho was far from full enlightenment, so many people who mistake him for authority in that matter are not doing themselves any favors.
Enlightenment is not emotional drunkenness, nor is it something you should pursue in order to personally gain something out of it. Truth and compassion for all beings are the main motivators for someone who seeks to reach enlightenment.

The end of suffering, true fulfillment, is not attained by finding something that completes us.
True fulfillment is when we let go of all delusions that keep us from realizing our inherent completeness.



The "outside" or unidentified with the body is also just a trap along the way and is just a result of a different kind of identification (immaterial existence).
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05-08-2019 , 10:49 PM
How would you be able to tell if someone is enlightened? Are there any living enlightened people that you know of? Also "outside" or "unidentified" with the body were my words, my interpretation of what I thought Osho was trying to say.
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05-08-2019 , 11:04 PM
While most beliefs on how an enlightened person should or shouldn't behave are false, there are distinct behavioural patterns that simply do not arise from an unfettered mind.

The only fully enlightened person that I know of is Culadasa. There are many that are close though. I also think this will drastically change in the future.


I recommend listening to this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LYa1YCdZH8
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