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Conquering tilt: zooming my way up Conquering tilt: zooming my way up

09-11-2018 , 07:41 AM
Long story short: I'm a tiltmonkey.

Started playing zoom last year, quickly making my way up to 100z with a decent winrate (~3bb/100) over some 200k-ish hands.
.. Then I tilted away 80 BI, and ever since my mental game has been incredibly weak (entitlement mostly). I'm convinced I tilt away like half or even double my winrate. I've finally had enough of being this mentally weak in poker, so it's time to change that ****. Hopefully this thread will keep me on track.

Angrily started/deleted a couple of new databases, so can't give a lifetime graph.
Current 25z results:

MTD 25z/50z:

Goal is to reach 100z again by the end of this year.
Conquering tilt: zooming my way up Quote
09-11-2018 , 01:01 PM
Pretty awful day thus far.



Some hands:

H1: basically a summary of the day
    Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37936688

    Hero (BTN): $36.09 (144.4 bb)
    SB: $24.30 (97.2 bb)
    BB: $25 (100 bb)
    UTG: $27.36 (109.4 bb)
    MP: $25.35 (101.4 bb)
    CO: $25.74 (103 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with K A
    UTG folds, MP raises to $0.75, CO raises to $2.50, Hero raises to $5.70, 3 folds, CO calls $3.20

    Flop: ($12.50) 9 K A (2 players)
    CO checks, Hero bets $3.94, CO raises to $20.04 and is all-in, Hero calls $16.10

    Turn: ($52.58) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($52.58) 8 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $52.58 pot ($2 rake)
    Final Board: 9 K A 6 8
    Hero showed K A and lost (-$25.74 net)
    CO showed 9 9 and won $50.58 ($24.84 net)



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    H2: vs unknown. Turn raise should've been bigger probably

      Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37936689

      BTN: $58.69 (234.8 bb)
      SB: $22.90 (91.6 bb)
      Hero (BB): $57.01 (228 bb)
      UTG: $48.53 (194.1 bb)
      MP: $34.32 (137.3 bb)
      CO: $22.55 (90.2 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is BB with 2 A
      UTG raises to $0.75, 4 folds, Hero calls $0.50

      Flop: ($1.60) J 4 3 (2 players)
      Hero checks, UTG bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75

      Turn: ($3.10) 9 (2 players)
      Hero checks, UTG bets $2.75, Hero raises to $10, UTG calls $7.25

      River: ($23.10) 5 (2 players)
      Hero bets $45.51 and is all-in, UTG folds

      Spoiler:
      Results: $23.10 pot ($1.04 rake)
      Final Board: J 4 3 9 5
      Hero mucked 2 A and won $22.06 ($10.56 net)
      UTG mucked and lost (-$11.50 net)



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      H3: maybe bigger river raise?



        Poker Stars, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37936690

        BTN: $27.20 (108.8 bb)
        SB: $25.48 (101.9 bb)
        BB: $23.80 (95.2 bb)
        UTG: $39.52 (158.1 bb)
        Hero (MP): $25.25 (101 bb)
        CO: $33.27 (133.1 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP with Q Q
        UTG raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1.50, 4 folds, UTG calls $1

        Flop: ($3.35) 7 5 5 (2 players)
        UTG checks, Hero bets $1.73, UTG calls $1.73

        Turn: ($6.81) 2 (2 players)
        UTG checks, Hero checks

        River: ($6.81) 4 (2 players)
        UTG bets $3.25, Hero raises to $10.27, UTG calls $7.02

        Spoiler:
        Results: $27.35 pot ($1.23 rake)
        Final Board: 7 5 5 2 4
        UTG mucked T T and lost (-$13.50 net)
        Hero showed Q Q and won $26.12 ($12.62 net)



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        Conquering tilt: zooming my way up Quote
        09-11-2018 , 03:09 PM
        In and GL
        Conquering tilt: zooming my way up Quote
        09-11-2018 , 04:58 PM
        The best regs aren't necessarily the best players when referencing skill and skill only. However, they do make sure to lose the least throughout the turmoil they inevitably face; having extreme tilt issues can easily turn the toughest reg into the weakest reg overall.

        Best of luck to you!
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        09-11-2018 , 06:10 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by SuckMyTilt
        In and GL
        Thanks!
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Clanty
        The best regs aren't necessarily the best players when referencing skill and skill only. However, they do make sure to lose the least throughout the turmoil they inevitably face; having extreme tilt issues can easily turn the toughest reg into the weakest reg overall.

        Best of luck to you!
        Thanks
        I definitely agree. It actually took a while before I realized improving my B-game (AKA trying not to tilt and minimizing losses) was more important than improving my A-game at this point in time. I used to be very disheartened putting x hours into studying and once again not seeing too many changes in my winrate. In hindsight it was rather stupid how many hours I've wasted trying to study while ignoring the other part of my game.

        Unfortunately not a good start to this PG&C; got nothing going for me all day, so decided to quit for the day.

        Last edited by Landau; 09-11-2018 at 06:20 PM.
        Conquering tilt: zooming my way up Quote
        09-11-2018 , 09:27 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Clanty
        The best regs aren't necessarily the best players when referencing skill and skill only. However, they do make sure to lose the least throughout the turmoil they inevitably face; having extreme tilt issues can easily turn the toughest reg into the weakest reg overall.

        Best of luck to you!
        Great advice, I've only played 200z and 500z since 2016 and I rarely understand when the PGC warriors playing 25z-200z insult each other over GTO and ****. Also people in the chat often remind me I have no skill and I agree.

        We'r always reminded that the mental game is very important in poker, yet people always underestimate that part of the game. You can play bad, it's fine there is still a lot of fish in online games.. just make sure you rarely play super bad .
        Conquering tilt: zooming my way up Quote
        09-20-2018 , 07:59 PM
        Haven't played much, maybe like 500 hands (lost ~3BI though). Had to withdraw some to pay for uni, so will see what my bankroll is after that. Actually might have to move down. Back on the grind soon hopefully!
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        09-24-2018 , 02:08 PM
        Decided to 2 table today to avoid autopiloting and think more clearly about some spots. Volume is a bit worse as a result.

        Obviously ran pretty well too

        For some reason the HH converter isn't working any more?
        Conquering tilt: zooming my way up Quote
        09-25-2018 , 04:55 PM
        Another 2 tabling session. Didn't really play exceptionally well, just got gifted a bunch of stacks.


        Seems like I'm absolutely ******ed, seeing as I can't seem to use the converter correctly
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        01-10-2019 , 04:58 AM
        Didn't really update for a looong time because I haven't played much.
        Graph since last update:

        I feel like I've been running pretty bad, so actually not too unhappy with being BE. Obviously I can always play better too.
        MTD:


        Can't fold:

        PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.34, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 6.84, Hands: 664)
        SB: 105.16 BB (VPIP: 26.67, PFR: 19.52, 3Bet Preflop: 6.20, Hands: 386)
        Hero (BB): 310.64 BB
        UTG: 123.84 BB (VPIP: 20.43, PFR: 17.74, 3Bet Preflop: 11.86, Hands: 190)
        MP: 80.8 BB (VPIP: 22.33, PFR: 10.68, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 216)
        CO: 100.8 BB (VPIP: 19.20, PFR: 9.20, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 253)

        SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

        Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A J

        fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, SB calls 6 BB

        Flop: (18 BB, 2 players) 5 2 7
        SB checks, Hero bets 5.68 BB, SB raises to 16.24 BB, Hero calls 10.56 BB

        Turn: (50.48 BB, 2 players) 7
        SB bets 15 BB, Hero calls 15 BB

        River: (80.48 BB, 2 players) 2
        SB bets 64.92 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 64.92 BB

        Spoiler:
        SB shows 8 9 (Two Pair, Sevens and Twos)
        (Pre 39%, Flop 39%, Turn 23%)
        Hero shows A J (Two Pair, Sevens and Twos)
        (Pre 61%, Flop 61%, Turn 77%)
        Hero wins 202.32 BB


        Getting destroyed doing some streetpoker:

        PokerStars - $0.50 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        BTN: 101.28 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 17)
        Hero (SB): 121.6 BB
        BB: 106.86 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
        UTG: 121.66 BB (VPIP: 41.18, PFR: 23.53, 3Bet Preflop: 12.50, Hands: 17)
        MP: 109.42 BB (VPIP: 26.45, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 10.87, Hands: 126)
        CO: 86.76 BB (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 1)

        Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

        Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9 A

        fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BB calls 2 BB

        Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) 7 Q 9
        Hero checks, BB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

        Turn: (10 BB, 2 players) J
        Hero checks, BB bets 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

        River: (14 BB, 2 players) 6
        Hero checks, BB bets 5 BB, Hero raises to 23 BB, BB calls 18 BB

        Spoiler:
        Hero shows 9 A (One Pair, Nines)
        (Pre 59%, Flop 22%, Turn 11%)
        BB shows 4 Q (One Pair, Queens)
        (Pre 41%, Flop 78%, Turn 89%)
        BB wins 57 BB
        Conquering tilt: zooming my way up Quote
        01-10-2019 , 05:28 AM
        Also had this beauty today. He slowrolled me too
        Not sure what happened on the flop lol

        PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        BTN: 203.24 BB (VPIP: 16.00, PFR: 9.33, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 77)
        SB: 113.12 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 9.72, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 74)
        Hero (BB): 139.16 BB
        UTG: 115.96 BB (VPIP: 10.34, PFR: 3.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)
        MP: 104.52 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
        CO: 223.64 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 12.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 33)

        SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

        Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q Q

        UTG raises to 2.48 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 9.6 BB, UTG calls 7.12 BB

        Flop: (19.6 BB, 2 players) 8 A 8
        Hero bets 5.6 BB, UTG calls 5.6 BB

        Turn: (30.8 BB, 2 players) Q
        Hero bets 23.2 BB, UTG calls 23.2 BB

        River: (77.2 BB, 2 players) T
        Hero bets 100.76 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 77.56 BB and is all-in

        Spoiler:
        Hero shows Q Q (Full House, Queens full of Eights)
        (Pre 81%, Flop 94%, Turn 98%)
        UTG shows J 9 (Straight Flush, Queen High)
        (Pre 19%, Flop 6%, Turn 2%)
        UTG wins 224.32 BB
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        01-10-2019 , 05:58 AM
        In bro, gl 2019. Zoom nowaday ppl keep doing weird stuff like that for no reason, the way the guys spew hard and got lucky is so hard to take man. Btw, are you vietnamese? xD
        Conquering tilt: zooming my way up Quote
        01-10-2019 , 07:44 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by KhanhPha
        In bro, gl 2019. Zoom nowaday ppl keep doing weird stuff like that for no reason, the way the guys spew hard and got lucky is so hard to take man. Btw, are you vietnamese? xD
        Rather that than good regs tbf
        Also not Vietnamese
        Conquering tilt: zooming my way up Quote
        01-10-2019 , 12:12 PM
        GL Landau, <3 your username haha

        Well played w/ AJhh, I wouldn't have the guts to calldown in such a spot
        Conquering tilt: zooming my way up Quote
        01-11-2019 , 08:56 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by Finland22
        GL Landau, <3 your username haha

        Well played w/ AJhh, I wouldn't have the guts to calldown in such a spot
        Thanks
        Gotta be careful to not overdo it though, which I sometimes tend to do


        Annoying to end the session this way.

        H1: Not sure what to do here. Told myself to raise/fold river exploitatively, but then leveled myself to call vs the clickback.

        PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        Hero (BTN): 222.36 BB
        SB: 132.2 BB (VPIP: 19.44, PFR: 15.97, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 144)
        BB: 205.24 BB (VPIP: 30.00, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 10)
        UTG: 101.4 BB (VPIP: 16.33, PFR: 6.12, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
        MP: 108.04 BB (VPIP: 16.98, PFR: 9.43, 3Bet Preflop: 7.41, Hands: 53)
        CO: 221.72 BB (VPIP: 29.47, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 7.89, Hands: 101)

        SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

        Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q Q

        fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 6 BB

        Flop: (19.4 BB, 2 players) 7 4 3
        CO checks, Hero bets 11.2 BB, CO calls 11.2 BB

        Turn: (41.8 BB, 2 players) 5
        CO checks, Hero checks

        River: (41.8 BB, 2 players) Q
        CO bets 21 BB, Hero raises to 68 BB, CO raises to 143 BB, Hero calls 75 BB

        Spoiler:
        CO shows 6 6 (Straight, Seven High)
        (Pre 19%, Flop 24%, Turn 98%)
        Hero mucks Q Q (Three of a Kind, Queens)
        (Pre 81%, Flop 76%, Turn 2%)
        CO wins 319.8 BB


        H2: Against a guy who's spazzed a lot before, don't like my play in hindsight:
        PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        Hero (BTN): 179.36 BB
        SB: 100.4 BB (VPIP: 38.46, PFR: 17.95, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)
        BB: 195.28 BB (VPIP: 34.15, PFR: 19.51, 3Bet Preflop: 3.57, Hands: 83)
        UTG: 112.6 BB (VPIP: 10.91, PFR: 5.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 57)
        MP: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.30, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 4.44, Hands: 108)
        CO: 145.68 BB (VPIP: 24.47, PFR: 15.96, 3Bet Preflop: 8.33, Hands: 99)

        SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

        Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 5 A

        fold, MP raises to 2 BB, CO calls 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB, fold, BB calls 1 BB

        Flop: (8.4 BB, 4 players) 6 4 3
        BB bets 2 BB, MP calls 2 BB, CO raises to 4 BB, Hero raises to 15.2 BB, BB calls 13.2 BB, fold, CO calls 11.2 BB

        Turn: (56 BB, 3 players) J
        BB checks, CO bets 53.48 BB, Hero raises to 162.16 BB and is all-in, fold, CO calls 75 BB and is all-in

        River: (312.96 BB, 2 players) 8

        Spoiler:
        CO shows 7 7 (One Pair, Sevens)
        (Pre 66%, Flop 45%, Turn 64%)
        Hero shows 5 A (High Card, Ace)
        (Pre 34%, Flop 55%, Turn 36%)
        CO wins 304.96 BB


        H3: going thin vs station
        PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        BTN: 91.4 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
        SB: 140.24 BB (VPIP: 19.40, PFR: 16.42, 3Bet Preflop: 3.28, Hands: 138)
        Hero (BB): 565.6 BB
        UTG: 103.48 BB (VPIP: 19.35, PFR: 16.13, 3Bet Preflop: 11.54, Hands: 63)
        MP: 68.16 BB (VPIP: 18.16, PFR: 8.18, 3Bet Preflop: 2.82, Hands: 398)
        CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 21.80, PFR: 18.34, 3Bet Preflop: 4.59, Hands: 299)

        SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

        Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q Q

        fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, Hero raises to 14.4 BB, BTN calls 11.4 BB, SB calls 11.4 BB

        Flop: (43.2 BB, 3 players) 6 7 6
        SB checks, Hero bets 12.4 BB, BTN calls 12.4 BB, SB calls 12.4 BB

        Turn: (80.4 BB, 3 players) K
        SB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

        River: (80.4 BB, 3 players) 5
        SB checks, Hero bets 24 BB, BTN calls 24 BB, fold

        Spoiler:
        Hero shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Sixes)
        (Pre 72%, Flop 87%, Turn 93%)
        BTN mucks A J (One Pair, Sixes)
        (Pre 28%, Flop 13%, Turn 7%)
        Hero wins 122.64 BB


        H4: curious to know how turn should be played. Normally I'd just call turn in position with this combo, but against a 1/6th pot bet with not much behind I'm not sure, so decided to pretty much click back to induce a flushdraw shove from weaker player

        PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
        Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

        BTN: 173.16 BB (VPIP: 36.67, PFR: 26.67, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 32)
        SB: 62.04 BB (VPIP: 47.37, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
        Hero (BB): 170.12 BB
        UTG: 135.16 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 16.15, 3Bet Preflop: 5.36, Hands: 133)
        MP: 259.16 BB (VPIP: 22.78, PFR: 16.77, 3Bet Preflop: 11.36, Hands: 322)
        CO: 97.52 BB

        SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

        Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J A

        fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 6.8 BB, SB calls 4.8 BB

        Flop: (13.6 BB, 2 players) 3 K T
        SB checks, Hero bets 4.4 BB, SB raises to 8.8 BB, Hero calls 4.4 BB

        Turn: (31.2 BB, 2 players) Q
        SB bets 5 BB, Hero raises to 12.4 BB, SB calls 7.4 BB

        River: (56 BB, 2 players) 7
        SB bets 34.04 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 34.04 BB

        Spoiler:
        SB shows 3 3 (Three of a Kind, Threes)
        (Pre 53%, Flop 87%, Turn 23%)
        Hero shows J A (Straight, Ace High)
        (Pre 47%, Flop 13%, Turn 77%)
        Hero wins 118.48 BB
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        01-11-2019 , 11:56 PM
        GJ with sizings, glad you're not one of these ******s who go too big cus: (with a UK accent) "I will make a lawwwwwwrge raise heeeeere because my hawwwnd is strooowng".

        I like what I see. GL~~
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        01-31-2019 , 03:45 PM
        Haven't really played much this month because of exams.



        Didn't really feel like grinding either way though.. Probably gonna take an indefinite break from poker. Just feels like I'm playing the wrong style of poker for these microstakes pools and can't seem to adjust properly. Almost every single big decision is wrong. Thought I could deal with variance, but apparently when the not-even-being-BE-thingy in ****ty stakes for 400k hands happens I can't.


        Basically had the same thing (losing all motivation) in SNGs/MTTs before switching to zoom, though my WR in MTTs was pretty good (contrary to the presumably bad 0 < x < 2bb/100 WR in zoom)
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