It's a lovely place pal, no doubt you'll have a great time. If you need a +1 I can jump in the suitcase. Safe travels!!

I'm back and in new territory so to speak. For the the first time I am now playing for the moniez rather than just the sheets n giggles. I am not never no pro and I think the term "semi-pro" is just about the suckiest thing anybody could call themselves, so I'm going to call myself...

oldmancoffeeseriousrecreationalregular, because it just trips off the tongue.

Starting out at 25nl 6 max reg speed, four tabling. Goal is to get to 50nl within two months (so by October).

I've set aside 18 hours a week minimum for poker, of which 12 hours will be spent playing and six hours studying. I'm hoping to get that up to 24 hours, maybe even 30, but its doubtful I'll ever manage more than that (life innit).

Last three weeks I've been painstakingly working my way through Janda's book and I've also been reading The Grinders Manual (Carroters, he's on here).

Interesting piece of work that (TGM). In part it is massively beginners orientated, but equally there are some really insightful chapters on how to apply knowledge in-game. IMHO a really good read. Anyway I got it for free on my Kindle account, so what's not to like.

Carroters makes a point that a lot of people only post big/full pot hands on forums for analysis, so they miss a lot of tricky flop spots that could do with forum analysis...I totally agree with that, so I'm gonna mix it up whilst at 25nl and call it...

"flops n pots". Big hands and little ones too. Looking for lots of feedback from the usual suspects, but I won't be doing the detailed analysis so much now. More a case of lots of hands - quick reviews.

And, as always, banter is gogo.

GL all...followed a few of your threads on my travels, seems the road has got bumpy for a few recently.

Day 1 Roll $1884

25nl 6 max reg spd.

SB is a multitabling reg. Looks quite ABC.

Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BB: $8.44 - VPIP: 41, PFR: 9, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 32
UTG: $25.00 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 21, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 14
Hero (MP): $36.27
CO: $28.56 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 1.0, Hands: 13
BTN: $43.80 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 24, 3B: 10, AF: 2.0, Hands: 55
SB: $54.63 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 7, AF: 1.3, Hands: 223

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is MP with 7 7
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.75) 4 A 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ??

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Villain is reg, no reads.

Line check and river plse

Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

MP: $34.59 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 17, 3B: 5, AF: 1.8, Hands: 248
CO: $25.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 4, AF: 2.6, Hands: 322
[b]Hero (BTN): $25.55
SB: $25.00 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 19, 3B: 22, AF: 1.0, Hands: 36
BB: $53.62 - VPIP: 38, PFR: 28, 3B: 27, AF: 0.0, Hands: 32
UTG: $30.54 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 17, AF: 4.0, Hands: 36

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with Q Q
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.50, SB raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.25, SB calls $2.25

Flop: ($8.75) 2 T K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($8.75) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($8.75) 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ??

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Same villain as hand 1, earlier on when he seemed much nittier (despite the stat conversion, which is confusing). To be clear, I don't see this villain getting out of line very much.

I think it is an easy river fold, but did I misplay it anywhere??

Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $25.00 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 18, 3B: 7, AF: 1.8, Hands: 397
BTN: $25.00 - VPIP: 25, PFR: 17, 3B: 14, AF: 2.0, Hands: 110
Hero (SB): $27.81
BB: $27.39 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 12, 3B: 2, AF: 1.5, Hands: 102
UTG: $18.82 - VPIP: 47, PFR: 1, 3B: 0, AF: 12.5, Hands: 75
MP: $63.36 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 7, AF: 1.3, Hands: 223

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with A A
UTG calls $0.25, MP raises to $0.75, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.75, 2 folds, MP calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) T 4 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $2.86, MP calls $2.86

Turn: ($11.72) J (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $5.75, Hero calls $5.75

River: ($23.22) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $17.00, Hero folds

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Misplayed? Should I bet flop? As played I think my turn bet sucks the big one.

Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

SB: $25.10 - VPIP: 36, PFR: 19, 3B: 7, AF: 2.0, Hands: 36
BB: $25.00 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 20, 3B: 17, AF: 1.0, Hands: 55
Hero (UTG): $25.20
CO: $25.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 3, 3B: 5, AF: 3.0, Hands: 30
BTN: $21.35 - VPIP: 41, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 32

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, SB calls $0.65, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.75) T 7 A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.75) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.83, SB raises to $2.60, Hero folds

Ah man, sorry I missed this so far! In.

TVM...big fan, way in.

Serious metal live few weeks back

Missed this till now as well but looks like we've got pretty similar goals in the sense of having no urge to "go pro" but wanting to improve and be good rec/regs. In

As for the hands:

1. Would just start by betting like half pot with 77 and expect to get called by all his Ax

2. QQ - Would go a little bigger pre like $5ish but think post is good. Would assume he bets any better hand on turn or river so would bet 1/3rd pot at the end and hope he tries to hero a 99/JJ or something.

3. I'd go bigger on flop, as played I honestly have no idea what's best lol

4. Think flop check is good, turn is meh. I don't think betting is terrible but I guess you have a lot of underpairs and weak Ax after you don't bet flop which he might realise and then try to bluff. Could check back turn/call almost any river I guess.

GL anyway!

No offence but if you're not sure what to do in H1 and H2, I don't think you'll win at 25NL.

SiCro43 cheers man, do you have a PGC?

Meale, none taken, enjoyed catching up on your thread - always entertaining

1. 77 on A47tt. Standard c-bet for value and you can go small with a wide range or big with a narrow one (more polarized). Obvious bets are AJ+, flush draws and backdoor flush draws. Obvious checks are AT-66 and random low-equity hands (like T9cc). I wouldn't expect to get much value in this spot though. Villain often has a hand like 99 that will only call once.

2. QQ 4b otb vs SB's 3bet on KT2r, it's probably GTO to mix with this hand and actually c-bet it sometimes, but I would literally always check it back. As long as you check back some Kxs (including AK if you don't have many other Kx), your XB range is sturdy enough to defend on the turn. KK, KTs and AA can all bet, but I'm not sure what bluffs you have, as I don't know your 4-betting range. AJ or A5s maybe? Checking back turn looks fine. Bet half pot on the river to get paid by Tx or worse.

3. AA. Looks fairly standard. In theory it should be a breakeven call on the river. In reality, villain probably has you crushed, as I don't see him turning 76s/54s/J9s into a bluff.

4. KK on AT7r. Standard XB on flop. I like checking back the turn too. It's not as if villain suddenly has a ton of flush draws in his range, as the ace is on the board, and the K is in your hand. Just delay c-bet your Ax and draws. As played, fold to the XR.

Good luck with your new challenge, Mr. SeriousRecReg.

Cleared my hours goals for the week...nice session to end with



Lots of hands to review now...will post some later.

Re the last fours hands

77 I bet, he folded (as expected), asking the question because with the ace on the flop is there any merit in slow playing it - I guess not.

QQ I messed up the river (x'd it he had 88) because I was managing tables. I like to post my more obvious FUs because the inevitable slap down helps me to not make basic errors again. So thanks to Meale for the slap.

AA At the time villain looked much nittier, later on he had turned more taggish, so I'm inclined to think this is very b/e. Nice to make disciplined folds though.

KK should x/b turn. Only posted this coz I only had 4 hands marked from my first session in a month.

Gots tons more better ones now

cheers all for the feedback.

Oh...and I have a a cracking real poker story (no pun intended)

You settle in for a solid session...all is quite in your world...

You flop early monster and panic jam turn (villain folds).

Were you distracted by:

[ ] The wife texting you that she is leaving you for her lesbian gym buddy
[ ] Your business partner calling you that the fraud squad have just pitched up at your office.
[x] Three potheads parking their dodgy motor on your back lawn

Weird and complicated hand.

This is how I saw it at the time, but I don't pretend I was ever that sure what was going on.

Preflop. Cold calling 3bet sucks for sure, but given the ranges look pretty strong, pretty much everything sucks.

open folding QQ on the btn - sucks
4bet/folding QQ on the btn - sucks
playing QQ for stacks versus strong ranges pre - sucks

Post

Flop...weird. The board slaps UTG and CO, nobody want to play.

Turn. OK, BB & UTG arn't interested and CO smells like KK or a draw, or probably both...which is bad news, but he just gave me 3:1.

BB&UTG fold...bout the only thing I got right.

Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

CO: $27.76 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 20, 3B: 13, AF: 2.0, Hands: 69
Hero (BTN): $25.62
SB: $25.00 - VPIP: 0, PFR: 0, 3B: 0, AF: 0.0, Hands: 12
BB: $25.00 - VPIP: 44, PFR: 26, 3B: 4, AF: 1.3, Hands: 119
UTG: $26.96 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 20, 3B: 0, AF: 1.8, Hands: 97

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with Q Q
UTG raises to $0.75, CO raises to $2.25, Hero calls $2.25, 1 fold, BB calls $2, UTG calls $1.50

Flop: ($9.10) A T 6 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($9.10) T (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO bets $4.50, Hero calls $4.50, BB folds, UTG folds

River is just lol



river bet too big obviously, but I'd already tanked twice.

Is that a GTi parked on your fence? It's definitely not GTO.

Villain was "pot" committed.

LMAOOO @ the backyard pic, that ****ing sucks man

Game results are looking nice though


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Cbetting in 3bet pots, bit of a leak. I've been studying some resource on it and would gladly appreciate some input from you guys.

Here's a selection of real recent hands at 25nl 6 max reg speed.

Do you cbet or not? (can comment on the preflop, which you will anyway, but it's not really about that). Bet size comments also welcome.

Action in all hands, Hero 3bets, villain calls.

1.

Villain CO 21/18/6.1

Hero SB A3

Flop A78 [cbet Y/N?]

2.

Villain SB 22/18/9.8

Hero BB A8

Flop 355 [cbet Y/N?]

3.

Villain CO 43/31/10

Hero SB A3

Flop KJ5 [cbet Y/N?]

4.

Villain SB unknown

Hero BB TT

Flop 637 [cbet Y/N?]

5.

Villain SB 34/31/12.5

Hero BB KQ

Flop 532 [cbet Y/N?]

6.

Villain 1 CO 26/19/11.7
Villain 2 BB cold call 47/29/2.0

Hero SB AQ

Flop KA5 [cbet Y/N?]

7.

Villain BTN 23/17/10.5

Hero SB A5

Flop Q54 [cbet Y/N?]

8. Villain BTN 31/7/3.3

Hero KT

Flop 294 [cbet Y/N?]

LOOOOOL at the car through the fence, that's amazing but gotta be a pain in the ass to deal with! What was the result!?

At the risk of shameless self promotion, to answer your question from a few posts back yes I do have a PGC!

Regards to cbetting I guess it's villain dependant but in general suspect my answers would be:

1. No
2. For sure yes
3. No
4. Yes
5. Not sure but with overs and BD spades against a wide range probably yeah
6. Assuming the BB is a fish given the stats then yeah most likely betting
7. Close, Honestly not sure what's best here
8. Yes

1-3 No
Others Yes

tell us positions

A3 I cbet 1/3 pot if we're BTN or SB
A8 idk why you're 3betting, as played cbet 1/3 pot
A3 check, delayed cbet
TT exploitatively cbet quite large (normally cbet like 45% pot, because nobody's going to realise and we need protection I'd do 2/3 pot with this hand)
KQ go half pot
AQ are you BTN or SB? If BTN, go like 40% pot, if SB, like 60%
A5 I assume you're SB, and I x/c this spot mostly but I'd cbet like two-fifths of the time
KT meh, think bet and check are pretty close in EV, purely because this goes x/x quite often and then delayed cbetting prints

Even when your session sucks the big hairy meatball, poker usually finds away to cheer you up

CO sit, post extra blind, jam...TAXI!!

Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

UTG: $28.30 - VPIP: 30, PFR: 27, 3B: 13, AF: 1.8, Hands: 74
MP: $8.70 - VPIP: 36, PFR: 21, 3B: 9, AF: 5.7, Hands: 100
CO: $20.00 - VPIP: 100, PFR: 100, 3B: 100, AF: 0.0, Hands: 1
Hero (BTN): $25.00
SB: $28.07 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 10, 3B: 2, AF: 1.4, Hands: 125
BB: $25.35 - VPIP: 29, PFR: 22, 3B: 5, AF: 3.0, Hands: 59

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with A 3
1 fold, MP raises to $0.50, CO raises to $19.75, 1 fold, SB raises to $28.07, 2 folds

Flop: ($40.25) T 8 8 (2 players)

Turn: ($40.25) 3 (2 players)

River: ($40.25) 6 (2 players)

Final Pot: $40.25
CO shows Q 9
SB shows K K
SB wins $30.60
(Rake: $1.58)

I hope it was suited. I'd cbet 1/2-2/3 pot.
I don't 3 bet this hand preflop.

I hope it was suited again. I'd check fold.

4.

I'd cbet 1/2-2/3 pot.
I'd check it back.

I'd cbet 1/2-2/3 pot.

Hope it was suited. I'd check call up to 3/4 pot.
I don't 3 bet preflop.

How does SB only win $30.60?

I think maybe they ran it twice...I've noticed before the HC does not cope with running it twice

Funny as **** though. Dude got about 2.3 seconds of poker for his wad.

Hey cheers Bob, yeah all the Ax were suited.

Thanks for the f/b all on the 3bet/cbet...I didna do so bad as I thought, just one really big screw up, and a couple that could go either way.

Line check anybody?

Adjusted opening, as MP is sitting out, table is playing pretty tight and my short term image is nit (10/10/0 over about 40 hands)

Poker Stars $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $25.00 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 23, 3B: 13, AF: 0.0, Hands: 31
SB: $25.00 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 7, AF: 2.6, Hands: 171
BB: $29.46 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 0.0, Hands: 75
[b]Hero (UTG): $25.01
CO: $30.49 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 11, 3B: 2, AF: 1.6, Hands: 126

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is UTG with Q 9
Hero raises to $0.67, CO calls $0.67, 3 folds

Flop: ($1.69) 6 9 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.85, CO calls $0.85

Turn: ($3.39) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25

River: ($7.89) K (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks [plan was to x/c the right bet size]

On another note, I've given up all my volume goals (and they were tiny anyway) and I am focusing 100% on study for a while.

Did a little leak hunt....oh em gee.

Fatboy needs to study a bit.

Will be sticking at 25nl reg speed for a while longer and posting hands for line check as above more frequently.