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Old 03-07-2021, 01:02 PM   #201
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Re: Building my zooooom game!

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Everything about this hand on this board postflop is bad. I was being sweat by some friends who are convinced this line works.

I just went with it, partly because I'm not playing scared and if I punt off a stack here with AK I'm fine with it.
the problem with this aproach is that its oriented short-term
ofc you have to not play scared to win a lot of pots, but trying to win pots that you will lose most of time is not a good idea...
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Old 03-07-2021, 01:58 PM   #202
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Re: Building my zooooom game!

Hey OP, I'm here to join the party. Best of luck!
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Old 03-07-2021, 11:28 PM   #203
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the problem with this aproach is that its oriented short-term
ofc you have to not play scared to win a lot of pots, but trying to win pots that you will lose most of time is not a good idea...
I mean, you're right. I'm not defending the play.
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Old 03-31-2021, 08:30 PM   #204
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Re: Building my zooooom game!

What's up guys, here is your recap for March. It was an interesting and challenging month trying a strategy with more aggression.

First, looking at my March poker goals and whether I hit them.

My poker goal for the month were:
-20k hands at 10z Met: 26,599
-2.5 Aggression factor at the end (going to shoot for 3+, but 2.5 will be the floor) Met: 3.12
- 8.5 3bet Missed: 8.49. Close enough, I'll say I met it.
- Minimum 23/20 vpip/pfr Just missed at 22.95/20.12 but I'll say I met it.

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A tough month, but with the $80 from the EPC rakeback I'm breakeven.


It was a challenging month that started out well. Adapting to a new strategy with more aggression obviously has its ups and downs and I definitely made a lot of punts trying to get people to fold (though it did work a lot too). Overall though, I would say I didn't run well this month as there were a whole lot of setups and coolers and general tough spots. I probably could've gotten away from some but there are a lot of spots that I just don't think I could fold.

I think I played solidly overall and improved and started to get out of my weak tight mentality and be more aggressive and fearless. There is still lots to learn with how to play aggressively in a smart manner, but I think I took a step in the right direction and I'm learning it.

I'm planning to start April with a 12BI shot at 25z. I'm not entirely confident I can win there right now, but with the rake back challenge and slightly lower rake, I think I can be breakeven there and I'd rather try and see if I can hang there while I learned to beat the stake. I'm lucky that my life role is pretty robust that I can take a decent shot and if I have to move down it doesn't really affect me. I've actually deposited more to take the shot even though I had 90BI for 10z at the end of this month and could easily have taken a shot and still move down and be well rolled for 10z. But I figure given that my goal online is to beat 25z, and ultimately get into live poker, I don't see how taking a shot at a tougher stake with what is basically one buyin for 1/3 is a bad idea.

I'm still working on improving my game and recently I identified a specific area of focus where I am now starting to make a big strategic overhaul as the simplification I was using loses to much EV on some boards. So I'm currently studying and trying to get a heuristic on how to change my game in this spot. I've also done some study and pool analysis so I'm starting to find some spots where you can and exploit the microstakes pools, especially preflop.

Me and a few friends who also play micro zoom on stars have a small discord where we review hands and study together. We are all just about to make the jump to 25z. It's a good community to have.

My April poker goals are:
- 12BI shot at 25z, moving down if my 25z graph shows a loss of more than 12BI after any session.
- 20k hands
-Continue to learn to play smart aggressive, targeting 2.5-3.5 AF.
- 23/20/8.5 again
- Continue new gameplan for specific spot and tag hands in this spot when they occur

April non poker goals:
- Don't get COVID! More than anything I want to avoid getting coronavirus. Even though I'm young and healthy and would probably survive, I don't want the lasting lung damage and potential other side effects. I had some congestion/phlegm in my chest yesterday and went to get a test today. Even though I just got tested today and don't know the result, I think I'll probably be okay as I'm feeling better today than I was yesterday and have zero symptoms as of now.
- Continue hitting the gym on Saturday morning, however only going when it is not very busy.
- Eat less. I'm not super concerned about my weight as I'm probably only 167lb right now (5'10") but I put on a bit over the past few months and usually around 170lb is when I start to want to drop a few pounds. Naturally I like to be in the 155-160 range. I can do this by just skipping breakfast occasionally a few times a week and having an early lunch, and not having snacks in the evening after dinner.
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Old 03-31-2021, 10:09 PM   #205
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Re: Building my zooooom game!

Fair goes D, if you're rolled you're rolled. GL with the shot.

Hopefully see you there soon for more light relief (while I give you all my money).
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Old 03-31-2021, 10:28 PM   #206
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Good luck in April OP
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Old 04-01-2021, 06:08 AM   #207
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Re: Building my zooooom game!

Good luck on the shot take mate. Potentially rake is lower at 25nlz?

Also congrats on the PF stats. It's always tougher to loosen up from overly tight, than it is to tighten up from overly loose. Props for that.
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Old 04-01-2021, 11:16 AM   #208
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Re: Building my zooooom game!

Rake is 4,5% on both stakes and the cap increases from 1,5$ to 2$ which should mean 33% lower rake the times you meat the cap and same the other times I think. 16z has the same 1,5$ cap tho and is imo way more juicy than 10z.

About the loosening up thing, I've been coaching a 10nl/25nl player that was breakeven for a year for 2 months now. He went from playing like 19/16/6 to 27/22/12 and has now made 3k$ over 150k hands mainly playing 25nl with 10bb winrate. Not zoom games tho, but proving the point nitting your way thru is not the way to profit. Not advocating the same stats in these zoom games but more of av overall agressive approch not necessarily a very high Vpip.

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Your preflop stats are most likely not your biggest issue now. How does your flop c/r, turn cbet and river bet single raised pot (not river cbet) look like?

GL in April!

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Old 04-01-2021, 01:27 PM   #209
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Nice work kicking those goals man!
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Old 04-01-2021, 04:38 PM   #210
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Good luck on the shot take mate. Potentially rake is lower at 25nlz?

Also congrats on the PF stats. It's always tougher to loosen up from overly tight, than it is to tighten up from overly loose. Props for that.
Thanks man! Definitely might open up a bit more, especially in late position against nits in the blinds.

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Thanks man, you too!
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:05 PM   #211
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Re: Building my zooooom game!

What's up guys.

My shot at 25z is basically going awful.



In some weird twist of events, I feel like I'm playing really solid. I did some study and finally had a bit of theory breakthrough with turns and feel like my turn play is getting better. My mental game has been strong so far and I don't feel I've tilted much at all. Maybe I'm delusional, but 25z honestly feels the same as 10z, maybe a bit softer. The regs are clearly better, but the reg to fish ratio (atleast at the hours Iplay) seems a bit better. There are more spewy 70/50 whales too.

However though, I'm running god awful. It just feels like everyone is getting there. I don't remember the last time I saw so many bad runouts, or had people hit 5-6 outers in small pots alone (ignoring big pots). My WSD this month is 50.9, which is super low for me.

In big pots, it feels like they have it, and every time I've got for max value without the nuts they somehow have it.

Atleast that is what it feels like. But who knows, It is possible I'm a delusional idiot and I'm actually just a horrible punter. So, I've decided to post all the times I've got stacked at 25z so far this month. This is going to be a deluge of like 20 hands, but I'd appreciate it if you guys could have a quick look at them and tell me what you think. This is just me sorting by biggest lots post, and not keeping any punts out. There are a couple bad plays in here (I'll note which ones) but a lot I think are runbad, but maybe I'm lying to myself.

This first one is a bad call OTR. Hard for him to find bluffs and I should have folded. Could be avoided.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 145.64 BB
SB: 100 BB
Hero (BB): 107.32 BB
UTG: 109.84 BB
MP: 121.36 BB
CO: 215.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q J

UTG raises to 2.48 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (5.36 BB, 2 players) J 6 7
Hero checks, UTG bets 3.28 BB, Hero calls 3.28 BB

Turn: (11.92 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, UTG bets 7.28 BB, Hero raises to 28 BB, UTG calls 20.72 BB

River: (67.92 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 15 BB, UTG raises to 76.08 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 58.56 BB and is all-in

UTG shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Sixes)
(Pre 86%, Flop 82%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows Q J (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks)
(Pre 14%, Flop 18%, Turn 82%)
UTG wins 207.04 BB

Second one might be a bit of a punt. I thought this guy would have some sets so I didn't x/r flop. When he doesn't jam turn I thought he was capped and jammed to stack a T myself. This one might be a punt too.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 29.88 BB
SB: 116.56 BB
BB: 351.6 BB
UTG: 153.4 BB
Hero (MP): 107.12 BB
CO: 117.16 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K

fold, Hero raises to 2.52 BB, CO calls 2.52 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (6.44 BB, 2 players) 8 6 T
Hero checks, CO bets 3.08 BB, Hero calls 3.08 BB

Turn: (12.6 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, CO bets 4.52 BB, Hero raises to 18.44 BB, CO calls 13.92 BB

River: (49.48 BB, 2 players) 6
Hero bets 83.08 BB and is all-in, CO calls 83.08 BB

Hero shows K K (Full House, Sixes full of Kings)
(Pre 82%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
CO shows 8 8 (Full House, Eights full of Sixes)
(Pre 18%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)
CO wins 207.64 BB

Third Maybe I shouldn't jam AKo here vs UTG, but I've noticed a lot more people 4b/folding at 25z, so I've just been GII pre wiht AKo. I think this is fine??

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 103.48 BB
Hero (SB): 107 BB
BB: 123.64 BB
UTG: 323.8 BB
MP: 122.24 BB
CO: 31.36 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K A

UTG raises to 2.24 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, UTG raises to 25.6 BB, Hero raises to 107 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 81.4 BB

Flop: (215 BB, 2 players) 4 3 4

Turn: (215 BB, 2 players) T

River: (215 BB, 2 players) 8

Hero shows K A (One Pair, Fours)
(Pre 7%, Flop 5%, Turn 0%)
UTG shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Fours)
(Pre 93%, Flop 95%, Turn 100%)
UTG wins 207 BB

Four, So this one I specifically flat (normally wouldn't flat BU vs reg UTG) because I know BB is a whale. I know he is spewy, so when he raises river I jam. I expected to stack his worse flushes and Qx and I expected him to reraise boats OTT.


PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 106.88 BB
SB: 138.84 BB
BB: 106.88 BB
UTG: 281.92 BB
MP: 144.36 BB
CO: 141.28 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A J

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop: (9.4 BB, 3 players) 2 4 Q
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (9.4 BB, 3 players) 2
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 5 BB, BB calls 5 BB, fold

River: (19.4 BB, 2 players) K
BB checks, Hero bets 14 BB, BB raises to 31 BB, Hero raises to 98.88 BB and is all-in, BB calls 67.88 BB and is all-in

Hero shows A J (Flush, Ace High)

BB shows Q 2 (Full House, Twos full of Queens)

BB wins 209.16 BB

Five, I thought I would try for max value vs an overpair.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 205 BB
SB: 91.56 BB
Hero (BB): 106.36 BB
UTG: 100 BB
MP: 265.92 BB
CO: 343.28 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q 9

fold, MP raises to 2.48 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 1.48 BB

Flop: (5.36 BB, 2 players) 9 9 3
Hero checks, MP bets 1.84 BB, Hero calls 1.84 BB

Turn: (9.04 BB, 2 players) J
Hero checks, MP bets 4.48 BB, Hero raises to 16.08 BB, MP calls 11.6 BB

River: (41.2 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero bets 85.96 BB and is all-in, MP calls 85.96 BB

Hero shows Q 9 (Three of a Kind, Nines)
(Pre 32%, Flop 91%, Turn 2%)
MP shows J J (Full House, Jacks full of Nines)
(Pre 68%, Flop 9%, Turn 98%)
MP wins 205.12 BB


Six, SB vs CO this seems standard? Or flat here?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 268.84 BB
Hero (SB): 101 BB
BB: 145.12 BB
UTG: 124.16 BB
MP: 126.04 BB
CO: 126.96 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A K

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.2 BB, fold, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, CO raises to 25 BB, Hero raises to 101 BB and is all-in, CO calls 76 BB

Flop: (203 BB, 2 players) 2 8 J

Turn: (203 BB, 2 players) 9

River: (203 BB, 2 players) J

Players agreed to run it twice.

Flop #2: (203 BB, 2 players) T 5 K

Turn #2: (203 BB, 2 players) 3

River #2: (203 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero shows A K (One Pair, Jacks)
Board #1 (Pre 7%, Flop 6%, Turn 0%)
(One Pair, Kings)
Board #2 (Pre 6%, Flop 10%, Turn 5%)

CO shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Jacks)
Board #1 (Pre 93%, Flop 94%, Turn 100%)
(One Pair, Aces)
Board #2 (Pre 94%, Flop 90%, Turn 95%)

CO wins 97.52 BB
CO wins 97.48 BB

Seven, I would rather jam tptk OTT with 75% pot left than let his flushes or straights get in.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 108.72 BB
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 299.28 BB
UTG: 144.28 BB
MP: 175.48 BB
CO: 100 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K A

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.48 BB, BTN raises to 8 BB, Hero raises to 23 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 15 BB

Flop: (49.48 BB, 2 players) 2 J A
Hero bets 15.76 BB, BTN calls 15.76 BB

Turn: (81 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero bets 61.24 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 61.24 BB

River: (203.48 BB, 2 players) K

Players agreed to run it twice.

River #2: (203.48 BB, 2 players) 9

Hero shows K A (Two Pair, Aces and Kings)
Board #1 (Pre 43%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
(Two Pair, Aces and Twos)
Board #2 (Pre 39%, Flop 7%, Turn 5%)

BTN shows J J (Full House, Jacks full of Twos)
Board #1 (Pre 57%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
(Full House, Jacks full of Twos)
Board #2 (Pre 61%, Flop 93%, Turn 95%)

BTN wins 97.76 BB
BTN wins 97.72 BB

Seven, seems like a standard spot?


PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 101.6 BB
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 125.6 BB
UTG: 69.32 BB
MP: 321.32 BB
CO: 87.4 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q Q

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero raises to 11 BB, fold, BTN raises to 24 BB, Hero raises to 100 BB and is all-in, BTN calls 76 BB

Flop: (201 BB, 2 players) 4 5 5

Turn: (201 BB, 2 players) 6

River: (201 BB, 2 players) K

Hero shows Q Q (Two Pair, Queens and Fives)
(Pre 18%, Flop 8%, Turn 5%)
BTN shows A A (Two Pair, Aces and Fives)
(Pre 82%, Flop 92%, Turn 95%)
BTN wins 193 BB

Eight, I would usually 4bet/fold here, but my read from 10z was that when people snap 5bet jam (like he did) it is AK trying to project strength so I called. Maybe this can be avoided?

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 97.12 BB
SB: 325.2 BB
BB: 104.88 BB
UTG: 194.96 BB
Hero (MP): 109.28 BB
CO: 103 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J J

fold, Hero raises to 2.52 BB, fold, BTN raises to 8 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 23 BB, BTN raises to 97.12 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 74.12 BB

Flop: (195.64 BB, 2 players) Q 8 7

Turn: (195.64 BB, 2 players) 9

River: (195.64 BB, 2 players) 5

Hero shows J J (One Pair, Jacks)
(Pre 19%, Flop 14%, Turn 32%)
BTN shows A A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 81%, Flop 86%, Turn 68%)
BTN wins 187.64 BB

Nine, guy is a known whale. He will have sets here a bunch but I think I gotta call. Blockers huh

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 4.04 BB
Hero (SB): 100 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 118.52 BB
MP: 96.8 BB
CO: 110.88 BB

Hero posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K K

fold, MP raises to 3.4 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, BB calls 11 BB, MP calls 8.6 BB

Flop: (36 BB, 3 players) J 5 7
Hero bets 16 BB, fold, MP raises to 84.8 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 68.8 BB

Turn: (205.6 BB, 2 players) 8

River: (205.6 BB, 2 players) J

Hero shows K K (Two Pair, Kings and Jacks)
(Pre 83%, Flop 55%, Turn 16%)
MP shows 3 7 (Flush, Jack High)
(Pre 17%, Flop 45%, Turn 84%)
MP wins 197.6 BB

Ten, okay this might be a punt. My gut told me he had AA, but this line is odd and I called. Hard for him to have flushes.

PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 113.96 BB
SB: 112.6 BB
BB: 466.44 BB
UTG: 96.64 BB
MP: 224.64 BB
Hero (CO): 101 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has A J

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, Hero raises to 9 BB, fold, fold, fold, UTG raises to 20 BB, Hero calls 11 BB

Flop: (41.4 BB, 2 players) K A 7
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (41.4 BB, 2 players) 3
UTG bets 16.6 BB, Hero calls 16.6 BB

River: (74.6 BB, 2 players) 9
UTG bets 47 BB, Hero calls 47 BB

UTG shows K K (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 68%, Flop 97%, Turn 100%)
Hero mucks A J (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 32%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)
UTG wins 161 BB


ANDDDDDDD That's all. Please feel free to be as critical as you want. A couple here might be bad play but in my eyes I'm running bad. But maybe I'm not, and I'm losing money by always have a strategy of getting in QQ+, AKo preflop at 25z. And to be fair, I checked to see how many times I've coolered people and won stacks this month. I coolered one dude by rivering a straight when he hit a set, but other than that no real "coolers". I also haven't won a single stack AIPF.

Anyway, I hate to be the guy bitching about runbad, but I'm not sure if I'm running bad or I'm, lying to myself about bad play. Other than a couple sessions I've been super happy with my redline and overall play. Just losing a lot on blueline, especially a ton of 5-8 outers OTR for like 10-15bb pots.

Regardless, I'm taking a 12BI shot. If I hit 12BI loss, I'll move down for the rest of the month. I'll consider depositing and taking another shot at 25z to begin May if I decide with my coaches/study group that I can compete up here.
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Old 04-07-2021, 09:41 PM   #212
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1. That's a tough one. Brutal river card. Not sure I like the block bet otr but meh, I say cooler. Could fold river but calling is not terrible.

2. Another cooler. Interesting line you took but there's all types of ways to play this run out so looks okay.

3. PUNT. Do not stack off with AKo in these positions.

4. Cooler.

5. Cooler but river size is too thin. V can still have A9, K9, J9 combos so regular sizing is preferred imo.

6. Meh. Marginal but standard. AKs is better.

7. Cooler

8. Cooler

9. Too thin. JJ is a mostly call vs 3b in these positions. QQ I think calls a lot vs 3b as well.

10. Cooler

11. This one's close but probably a sigh fold in a 4b pot.

Biggest leak out of these hands I see is you are stacking off too light from EP. You have GTOw so you should already know this but solver prefers to defend from the LJ/HJ with AKo, JJ-QQ when it gets 3b. These hands move towards the stack off range in the later positions like Blinds vs BTN and BTNvCO.

Keep your head up and keep plugging away. Good things will happen. GL my friend.
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Old 04-07-2021, 11:50 PM   #213
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Agreed with Bobby. Looks like 90% run bad from that sample.

Christ, 73s? Glad to see that sort of thing.

Trouble with basically any shot at a zoom pool is 15BI downswings are standard, as we discussed on my last downswing, so as long as you're comfortable with your plan and prepared for the worst it could easily just be the variance train. Keep truckin'
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Old 04-08-2021, 06:56 AM   #214
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Re: Building my zooooom game!

Hi first of nice thread and gl to op,

regarding LJ/HJ with AKo, JJ-QQ vs 3bet does solver prefer not to stack of because we give villain a nitty micro player 3bet range or does this strategy even apply vs lighter 3 bets from aggro higher stakes villain?
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Biggest leak out of these hands I see is you are stacking off too light from EP. You have GTOw so you should already know this but solver prefers to defend from the LJ/HJ with AKo, JJ-QQ when it gets 3b. These hands move towards the stack off range in the later positions like Blinds vs BTN and BTNvCO.

Does solver not stack of AKo,JJ-QQ because we give villain a nitty micro stakes 3bet range or does this hold true aswell vs wider ranges from better players?
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Old 04-08-2021, 06:58 AM   #216
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Re: Building my zooooom game!

Nice thread, gl to op , will be lurkin

playin nl25z/reg table myself
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Old 04-08-2021, 07:10 AM   #217
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Would love to join the discord group btw op, message me if ur up for new members
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Old 04-08-2021, 10:30 AM   #218
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Does solver not stack of AKo,JJ-QQ because we give villain a nitty micro stakes 3bet range or does this hold true aswell vs wider ranges from better players?
Solver assumes since we are opening with a tight range already then any 3betting range should be extremely strong to 3b us in the first place so stacking off is -EV.

If you are getting 3b from a fun player with wide ranges then you put GTO to the side and go with your gut. This is called exploitative.
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Old 04-08-2021, 10:41 AM   #219
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Thanks for the quick reply.
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Old 04-08-2021, 10:58 AM   #220
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Hey, mate.

I'm following your thread since now. GL!
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Old 04-08-2021, 05:57 PM   #221
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Thanks guys!

Appreciate the honest feedback.

I still have a couple more BI in my shot, so I'll keep grinding. Still feel like I'm playing solidly, though always room to improve.
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Old 04-10-2021, 12:33 PM   #222
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Hey guys!

Unfortunately I had to move down, as the last day of my shot I lost my final 3.5BI in shitty spots (overpair vs tp in 3b pot, AA>KK AIPF, lower trips turns boat vs my higher trips) so I'm back to 10z.

It was unfortunate to run bad, but it was a good opportunity to test myself higher. I felt like I played good, and can hang with the regs at that stake.

My plan right now is to back to 10z, finish the EPC in the next few days then take a few days off. I'll play 10z for the rest of the month, and probably focused more on study than volume.

I might take another shot at 25z next month. The thing is I can easily deposit another 12BI for 25z, as it represents like 25% of the amount I can save each month (living at home during pandemic, so saving 50-80% of my takehome). However, something feel off about depositing to take shots again. Even though it's not a financial burden, it feels very degenish, almost paisting like. I'm not sure if I will but I'm curious to hear what others think. Depositing to move up has always felt a bit like cheating me to, and that one should grind up a roll.
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Old 04-10-2021, 03:10 PM   #223
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I think the faster you get out of the rake trap the better. You either have to run extremely hot to crush and move up or you need to put in 100k hands a month with a solid wr. I have a feeling 100k/month is not doable for you. I would take another shot at 25z imo or you could be stuck at 10z for too long and trying to beat out the rake for 2-300k hands at micros is a waste of time imo. I played over 200k hands 10z on WPN so I've been there done that.
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Old 04-10-2021, 03:31 PM   #224
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Hey guys!

Unfortunately I had to move down, as the last day of my shot I lost my final 3.5BI in shitty spots (overpair vs tp in 3b pot, AA>KK AIPF, lower trips turns boat vs my higher trips) so I'm back to 10z.
That sucks. If it had been the other way around you'd be convinced you were a 25Z crusher

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Hey guys!

I might take another shot at 25z next month. The thing is I can easily deposit another 12BI for 25z, as it represents like 25% of the amount I can save each month (living at home during pandemic, so saving 50-80% of my takehome). However, something feel off about depositing to take shots again. Even though it's not a financial burden, it feels very degenish, almost paisting like. I'm not sure if I will but I'm curious to hear what others think. Depositing to move up has always felt a bit like cheating me to, and that one should grind up a roll.
I'm not convinced this logic is sound. Various thoughts...

If your goal is to beat 25z and you feel like you are comfortably ahead of the 10z pack, then playing more 10z isn't going to help much. Either spend more time studying and less time playing 10z, or deposit and play more 25z to gain more understanding of how the game at that stake plays.

Also worth thinking about what you really want from the game, if it's actually to pass time enjoyably, then play 10z. It's a good game and whatever game you play, it's more fun if you win

There's about a 1bb/100 difference in rake between 10z and 25z per my db, so that's an offset against a worse win rate at 25z.

If poker is something you enjoy and you're confident you're not in a degen/addict space, then spending money to play it while you learn is not terrible. I mean you'd probably blow a couple of 25z buy-ins at the pub or a movie on a Friday night just having a good time right? Well, back in the day when we could go to the pub and have a good time!
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Old 04-10-2021, 05:07 PM   #225
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Hey guys!

I had to move down.
Don't worry. It's absolutely normal and standard to move down when we need to. GL!
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