Betman Win$! Lets Go
06-10-2021
, 11:58 PM
Nightly Recap.
Well we took a beating today. That was to be expected. It's just the manner in which the blows came that felt odd. To say the least.
It's debatable what is more dangerous, lack of information or misinformation. In the former, you don't know any better.
In the latter you begin to think you know better. It is quite obvious, to anyone who has been paying attention, the state of online poker has been in constant decline. There are plenty of resources and tools made available that for the average player, this game has become beyond reach. I am that average player.
So my results reflect that. Over the course of this fun little experiment (prob around 50k hands), I am probably a small winner at 10 NL zoom pool. May be a break-evenish player in the current NL25 zoom pool. Depending on the time/day of the week.
I have not played enough hands to have any idea about where my game stacks against the NL50 zoom pool and above.
I have no interest in finding out either. There are much easier alternatives. And better use of my time.
I just play this game for fun. Whenever I can find some time.
But in the last week had some free time, together with a fortunate luck of the draw on the deal resulting in extra $250 dollars to the bankroll, I pushed the envelope to test myself.
I am ok with the beatings. Probably gave my share of the bad beats and took some beats in return as well.
That's part of the game. You play this game long enough, you see all kinds of stuff! Outcome of any particular hand never mattered to me. Win or lose. Sometimes I got my money in great, but still lost. Sometime I was the underdog, and was saved by the lucky turn of the card or two.
That's all part of the game.
Having said all that, there were few notable observations about the Pokerstars software.
I am not an expert, so take these as just observations/rumblings of one player. We will start with the obvious. I can say with absolute certainty, the decks are stacked non-randomly.
I have no idea how the RNG works.. who tests and ensures it's validity. But it is certainly biased, or at least can be biased. How, I have no idea. There are players ( prob house bots to be more precise) within these games who are exploiting it. They have particular attributes about them. They always act in the same strange yet consistent manner...pay particular attention to the use of the time clock and notable delays between the turn and river card being displayed that follow. The outcome is always the same. In these instances, never good for you. I guess you can call it a timing tell about the doom switch.
But it is a thing. No I did not just imagine it.
For those that know, they probably know what I mean. It is impossible to have played on any real money zooom tables long enough and not notice this.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, Pokerstars monitors and manipulate your computer during play. Some of it could be part of their security check to see if the player is using some banned software or something. I have no idea. But you can't miss when it is happening on your local machine.
Just to be sure, I watched at least 8-10 hours of you tube streamers and never observed any of the things happening to their client
while streaming live. Yet I can observe that on my machine almost daily.
No.. Pokerstars was not out to get me... or any individual player for that matter. I am nobody.
But they are manipulating the game against the entire player pool. That much I am absolutely certain of...or at least enough for me to stay away.
So I am going to do what makes the most sense to me. Waive the white flag. Thank you...but no thank you.
This game has enough variance on its own. I do not need to support you while you stack the decks as well.
Thanks for the kind words and your time along the way.
You may see me fool around 10 NL zoom pool from time to time.
But I would not trust Pokerstras with any serious money.
Cheers
Well we took a beating today. That was to be expected. It's just the manner in which the blows came that felt odd. To say the least.
It's debatable what is more dangerous, lack of information or misinformation. In the former, you don't know any better.
In the latter you begin to think you know better. It is quite obvious, to anyone who has been paying attention, the state of online poker has been in constant decline. There are plenty of resources and tools made available that for the average player, this game has become beyond reach. I am that average player.
So my results reflect that. Over the course of this fun little experiment (prob around 50k hands), I am probably a small winner at 10 NL zoom pool. May be a break-evenish player in the current NL25 zoom pool. Depending on the time/day of the week.
I have not played enough hands to have any idea about where my game stacks against the NL50 zoom pool and above.
I have no interest in finding out either. There are much easier alternatives. And better use of my time.
I just play this game for fun. Whenever I can find some time.
But in the last week had some free time, together with a fortunate luck of the draw on the deal resulting in extra $250 dollars to the bankroll, I pushed the envelope to test myself.
I am ok with the beatings. Probably gave my share of the bad beats and took some beats in return as well.
That's part of the game. You play this game long enough, you see all kinds of stuff! Outcome of any particular hand never mattered to me. Win or lose. Sometimes I got my money in great, but still lost. Sometime I was the underdog, and was saved by the lucky turn of the card or two.
That's all part of the game.
Having said all that, there were few notable observations about the Pokerstars software.
I am not an expert, so take these as just observations/rumblings of one player. We will start with the obvious. I can say with absolute certainty, the decks are stacked non-randomly.
I have no idea how the RNG works.. who tests and ensures it's validity. But it is certainly biased, or at least can be biased. How, I have no idea. There are players ( prob house bots to be more precise) within these games who are exploiting it. They have particular attributes about them. They always act in the same strange yet consistent manner...pay particular attention to the use of the time clock and notable delays between the turn and river card being displayed that follow. The outcome is always the same. In these instances, never good for you. I guess you can call it a timing tell about the doom switch.
But it is a thing. No I did not just imagine it.
For those that know, they probably know what I mean. It is impossible to have played on any real money zooom tables long enough and not notice this.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, Pokerstars monitors and manipulate your computer during play. Some of it could be part of their security check to see if the player is using some banned software or something. I have no idea. But you can't miss when it is happening on your local machine.
Just to be sure, I watched at least 8-10 hours of you tube streamers and never observed any of the things happening to their client
while streaming live. Yet I can observe that on my machine almost daily.
No.. Pokerstars was not out to get me... or any individual player for that matter. I am nobody.
But they are manipulating the game against the entire player pool. That much I am absolutely certain of...or at least enough for me to stay away.
So I am going to do what makes the most sense to me. Waive the white flag. Thank you...but no thank you.
This game has enough variance on its own. I do not need to support you while you stack the decks as well.
Thanks for the kind words and your time along the way.
You may see me fool around 10 NL zoom pool from time to time.
But I would not trust Pokerstras with any serious money.
Cheers
Last edited by Betman Win$!; 06-11-2021 at 12:10 AM.
06-11-2021
, 01:31 PM
Preachers preach....Teachers teach.
Dear 2021shipit,
You presence in this thread has intrigued me. Since I won't be shipping stacks on the tables today. I have some time to respond to what you have had to say.
Thank you for participating. It is never easy to put yourself out there like that. So I appreciate the time that you have taken to respond. But since you were kind enough to give your assessment and opinion on my game, I think you deserve a response. That's' the least I can do... for you. For now.
I have posted enough cherry picked hands (almost 50 dude!) in this thread, so it is logical for someone like you to offer an opinion on my game. I would not even disagree with most of what you have said...I probably am a terrible player. I never claimed otherwise. Nor did I ever say anywhere in this thread you don't need to study to be able to do well at NL50z and above...or below for that matter. I never claimed to be some savant. Naturally gifted at the cards. I have said the exact opposite. Most of the time I have no idea what I am doing...Preflop...Postflop...Turn...River...I am just having fun, playing the game that I love. Always from the heart.
But let's not move the goal posts. You have offered nothing else in rebuttal on what I have said in regards to my observations about Pokerstars.
I was clear to state that they are merely my observations and ramblings of one player. You don't have to feel like you need to come in here and defend Pokerstars. Why do you feel personally threatened by what I said or have to say? I am nobody. You don't work for Pokerstars. Do you?
Since you had a read on my game. In the spirit of the game, I think I should offer my player profile of you. Now keep in mind, I have only two post from you in this thread to go on. So it may be little sketchy. But you will hopefully let me know how well I did. That's what sportsmen do.
Based on the lack of sentence structure and general use of slang, spelling mistakes. Here's what I peg you as.
2021shipit. Male. Early to late 20's. Country of origin.....possibly Australia. Not very educated. Perhaps some high school.
May be community college. But you certainly did not finish/graduated. Could be family financial reasons or other hardships. Your desperately seek to belong, so you always try to project as if you know more. When in fact you know so little. Oh so little. Your idea of a strong argument is to yell louder. From the two post that you have made, I am not even sure you are capable of coming up with single original thought. Everything that you have posted here is so blatantly regurgitated. Copied and pasted. Without an ounce of thought. You have heard some gamer friends of yours talk. So you try to sound the same. Like I said...to belong. Anywhere.
If you really are from Australia (you will have to confirm for me if I was right on that)....You should know who was shipped off to Australia. And why.
Evolution has not have had long enough to silence some of those strong gorilla traits...it's still work in progress. You are a work in progress.
One mutation at a time.. it is going to to take a few more generations. Perhaps 10 more. Before you become an average, competent human being.
Don' worry. There is hope for your descendants.
I do not believe in putting others down. So, here are some words of wisdom for you. If you want yourself to be heard, make your arguments stronger. There are many perspective to each outcome...life is not always black and white. There is a lot of grey... many...many...shades of grey in between.
There is even a book called Fifty Shades of Grey. You will like it. Read more. A lot more. There is lots to learn. Don't worry. Child. I forgive you.
Now...why don't we make it your worthwhile. You have spent some time in this thread. You know you better. What does this old geezer know.
Let's see how good of a student you can be. More importantly, let's put some money where your mouth is.
In the spirit of the PG&C of yesteryears...Let's set up a simple task for you to complete. In exchange for what you work so hard to make. Money. I don't know what your win rate is... I do not know what steaks you play. It doesn't matter to me. I looked up the minimum wage in Australia on Google this afternoon. It said the national average was $19.84 Australian dollars per hour. Let's round it to even $20. I am fairly certain you do not make that much playing poker per hour. Like I said.. this is just my read. I could be wrong. If you say other wise, I will believe you. I won't even ask you to prove it to me. Just let me know whatever your hourly is, if it above that national average for Australia.
Once we agree on your hourly, I will then pay you double that amount. That's right. I am putting my money where my mouth is. I will pay you twice an hour what you are currently making playing poker. To play poker.
All you have to do is play Spin n Gos for 10 hours on Pokerstars. We don't even have to pick any expensive steaks. The absolute minimum will do... 25 cents per game. You can play one game at a time, two games at a time..4 games at a time. Your choice. All I am asking is for you to play for 10 hours. I will pay you 2x your hourly. $400 Australian dollars. All you to have to agree to do in return is bring the hand histories back to this thread. To me. Then we will have a quick look. I will show you a thing or two. If I am able to convince you that the Pokerstars shuffle was biased in those hand histories.. actively manipulated to shorten the total elapsed time for each game. Clear deviation from the expected. You will agree to pay me the same in return instead. $400 Australian dollars.
Let me know if you are up for it. If you don't have money in your Pokerstars account right now, I can send you some to get started. Let me know if you are up for the challenge. I posted my Pokerstars account in this account. PM me yours. I will ship you at least $10 immediately to get you started (if you need it). That's good for 40 games on the 25 cent games. If you end up needing more, to complete the challenge, I will ship you more. Your task is simply time played. Not win rate. Win or loss doesn't matter. Don't worry. I understand. You may be a cash specialist. It wont be a reflection of you game in any shape or form. I am making it your worthwhile. You play poker anyway. May as well get paid 2x more than what you would be normally making. Who knows. Could even be fun for you. You will certainly learn in the end.
Your move. Let me know by the end of the day or the next couple of days. I look forward to hearing back from you.
Cheers! Mate.
Dear 2021shipit,
You presence in this thread has intrigued me. Since I won't be shipping stacks on the tables today. I have some time to respond to what you have had to say.
Thank you for participating. It is never easy to put yourself out there like that. So I appreciate the time that you have taken to respond. But since you were kind enough to give your assessment and opinion on my game, I think you deserve a response. That's' the least I can do... for you. For now.
I have posted enough cherry picked hands (almost 50 dude!) in this thread, so it is logical for someone like you to offer an opinion on my game. I would not even disagree with most of what you have said...I probably am a terrible player. I never claimed otherwise. Nor did I ever say anywhere in this thread you don't need to study to be able to do well at NL50z and above...or below for that matter. I never claimed to be some savant. Naturally gifted at the cards. I have said the exact opposite. Most of the time I have no idea what I am doing...Preflop...Postflop...Turn...River...I am just having fun, playing the game that I love. Always from the heart.
But let's not move the goal posts. You have offered nothing else in rebuttal on what I have said in regards to my observations about Pokerstars.
I was clear to state that they are merely my observations and ramblings of one player. You don't have to feel like you need to come in here and defend Pokerstars. Why do you feel personally threatened by what I said or have to say? I am nobody. You don't work for Pokerstars. Do you?
Since you had a read on my game. In the spirit of the game, I think I should offer my player profile of you. Now keep in mind, I have only two post from you in this thread to go on. So it may be little sketchy. But you will hopefully let me know how well I did. That's what sportsmen do.
Based on the lack of sentence structure and general use of slang, spelling mistakes. Here's what I peg you as.
2021shipit. Male. Early to late 20's. Country of origin.....possibly Australia. Not very educated. Perhaps some high school.
May be community college. But you certainly did not finish/graduated. Could be family financial reasons or other hardships. Your desperately seek to belong, so you always try to project as if you know more. When in fact you know so little. Oh so little. Your idea of a strong argument is to yell louder. From the two post that you have made, I am not even sure you are capable of coming up with single original thought. Everything that you have posted here is so blatantly regurgitated. Copied and pasted. Without an ounce of thought. You have heard some gamer friends of yours talk. So you try to sound the same. Like I said...to belong. Anywhere.
If you really are from Australia (you will have to confirm for me if I was right on that)....You should know who was shipped off to Australia. And why.
Evolution has not have had long enough to silence some of those strong gorilla traits...it's still work in progress. You are a work in progress.
One mutation at a time.. it is going to to take a few more generations. Perhaps 10 more. Before you become an average, competent human being.
Don' worry. There is hope for your descendants.
I do not believe in putting others down. So, here are some words of wisdom for you. If you want yourself to be heard, make your arguments stronger. There are many perspective to each outcome...life is not always black and white. There is a lot of grey... many...many...shades of grey in between.
There is even a book called Fifty Shades of Grey. You will like it. Read more. A lot more. There is lots to learn. Don't worry. Child. I forgive you.
Now...why don't we make it your worthwhile. You have spent some time in this thread. You know you better. What does this old geezer know.
Let's see how good of a student you can be. More importantly, let's put some money where your mouth is.
In the spirit of the PG&C of yesteryears...Let's set up a simple task for you to complete. In exchange for what you work so hard to make. Money. I don't know what your win rate is... I do not know what steaks you play. It doesn't matter to me. I looked up the minimum wage in Australia on Google this afternoon. It said the national average was $19.84 Australian dollars per hour. Let's round it to even $20. I am fairly certain you do not make that much playing poker per hour. Like I said.. this is just my read. I could be wrong. If you say other wise, I will believe you. I won't even ask you to prove it to me. Just let me know whatever your hourly is, if it above that national average for Australia.
Once we agree on your hourly, I will then pay you double that amount. That's right. I am putting my money where my mouth is. I will pay you twice an hour what you are currently making playing poker. To play poker.
All you have to do is play Spin n Gos for 10 hours on Pokerstars. We don't even have to pick any expensive steaks. The absolute minimum will do... 25 cents per game. You can play one game at a time, two games at a time..4 games at a time. Your choice. All I am asking is for you to play for 10 hours. I will pay you 2x your hourly. $400 Australian dollars. All you to have to agree to do in return is bring the hand histories back to this thread. To me. Then we will have a quick look. I will show you a thing or two. If I am able to convince you that the Pokerstars shuffle was biased in those hand histories.. actively manipulated to shorten the total elapsed time for each game. Clear deviation from the expected. You will agree to pay me the same in return instead. $400 Australian dollars.
Let me know if you are up for it. If you don't have money in your Pokerstars account right now, I can send you some to get started. Let me know if you are up for the challenge. I posted my Pokerstars account in this account. PM me yours. I will ship you at least $10 immediately to get you started (if you need it). That's good for 40 games on the 25 cent games. If you end up needing more, to complete the challenge, I will ship you more. Your task is simply time played. Not win rate. Win or loss doesn't matter. Don't worry. I understand. You may be a cash specialist. It wont be a reflection of you game in any shape or form. I am making it your worthwhile. You play poker anyway. May as well get paid 2x more than what you would be normally making. Who knows. Could even be fun for you. You will certainly learn in the end.
Your move. Let me know by the end of the day or the next couple of days. I look forward to hearing back from you.
Cheers! Mate.
Last edited by Betman Win$!; 06-11-2021 at 01:46 PM.