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Old 07-21-2016, 09:19 AM   #176
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so whats going on here?
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:31 AM   #177
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FWIW I do remember there being shady buisness with Jason back in the day. I don't rememeber the exact details myself either (loong time ago), but there was controversery with regards to Jasons staking deal. And a lot of death threats against the CEO of Pokerstrategy after the coaching thingy didn't work out, that I remember distinctly I'm not gonna look through five year old chat convos, so believe it or not, I don't really care. But if you've made wagers with Jason I would just suggest to use a middle hand.
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:31 AM   #178
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Rofl, booked then..

I don't think you understand what people who have known you for 4+ years think of you.

Let's leave it off the thread and speak on skype tomorrow about it, I'll donate your $500 to 2 Elliot Roe sessions.

Not coming back to argue on this thread!

Gl op!!!!!!!
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:40 AM   #179
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op pls legit thought process on that KJ ATss hand pls. fk who cares who scammed who 5yrs ago
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:41 AM   #180
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Can you explain the KJ hand? I am totally confused. I would love to learn something from this instead of all the time-wasting drama.

You cbet very small. At first that looks something like pot control. But then comes the turn b/3b which clearly isn't pot control. Very interesting.
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:49 AM   #181
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[5:00:54 PM] Jason: Patrick. That's something very stupid you just did. Even for you.
[5:01:24 PM] Patrick: What are you talking about?
[5:01:37 PM] Patrick: It is the same guy? In the thread
[5:01:42 PM] Jason: You know I'm Ja$onb
[5:02:08 PM] Patrick: I don't
[5:02:10 PM] Jason: Stop playing. I never stole anything. You're an idiot for putting that out there without doing any research lol
[5:02:19 PM] Patrick: I have been off the radar for 3 years
[5:02:20 PM] Jason: Ofcourse you do. You asked me to produce strat videos for PS once
[5:02:21 PM] Patrick: Almost
[5:02:35 PM] Jason: that btw happened after I "stole something"
[5:02:44 PM] Jason: I'm legit. I never scammed or stole anything. So please prove right now
[5:02:46 PM] Jason: What I did.
[5:02:49 PM] Patrick: I was invited into a Skype group
[5:02:51 PM] Patrick: Around
[5:02:55 PM] Patrick: 1 year ago
[5:03:04 PM] Patrick: Or definitely after everything from PokerStrategy etc
[5:03:22 PM] Patrick: The guy was called Joris
[5:03:25 PM] Patrick: Long term micro gaming reg
[5:03:25 PM] Jason: Yeah he used to be a friend of mine
[5:03:43 PM] Patrick: He had been about and respected for 5+ years
[5:03:50 PM] Patrick: And said you had scammed him somehow
[5:03:55 PM] Patrick: I can't remember the details now
[5:04:01 PM] Jason: You can't remember the details?
[5:04:05 PM] Jason: And you post that on 2+2?
[5:04:06 PM] Patrick: I remember thinking it was sad because you were always so enthusiastic
[5:04:10 PM] Jason: And I haven't been respected for 5+ years?
[5:04:17 PM] Patrick: But you always seemed to have the blow up button ready
[5:04:23 PM] Jason: You had my skype account all that time and you didn't bother to chat me up?
[5:04:27 PM] Patrick: No you definitely weren't during that time
[5:04:31 PM] Patrick: Not as a poker player
[5:04:34 PM] Patrick: But mentally
[5:04:44 PM] Patrick: You always seemed very spewy, irrational, immature
[5:04:51 PM] Patrick: I didn't even know I had you on skype
[5:05:01 PM] Jason: We used to talk a ton around that time
[5:05:05 PM] Patrick: Right click my skype name. I have 2000 Skype contacts or something stupid
[5:05:30 PM] Jason: I played way higher than you regarding NL. I've performed way better than you. So it's pointless to even argue about that.
[5:05:34 PM] Jason: Regardless of that.
[5:05:40 PM] Jason: I did not steal or scam Joris.
[5:06:14 PM] Jason: So delete that post or post proof. Joris has contacted me on skype
[5:06:22 PM] Jason: he could have contacted me since 5 years and he didn't
[5:06:24 PM] Patrick: What are you talking about played higher or performed better? ������
[5:06:31 PM] Jason: You've never gotten past 1k so pls
[5:06:34 PM] Jason: let's not talk about this
[5:06:38 PM] Jason: I know you're doing good in tournaments
[5:06:45 PM] Jason: but you're chit. let's face it.
[5:06:51 PM] Jason: But it doesn't matter.
[5:06:57 PM] Patrick: 1) that doesn't mean anything in terms of this context
2) success is based on a lot more different things than who played the highest stakes on stars
[5:07:13 PM] Jason: Okay
[5:07:20 PM] Jason: Nevermind the ego talk
[5:07:31 PM] Jason: I don't have much time right now.
[5:07:39 PM] Patrick: What are you talking about? You started speaking about how you're so much better at poker than me ����
[5:07:49 PM] Jason: Yeah I'm just stating facts Patrick
[5:07:58 PM] Jason: You said my game wasn't respected
[5:08:08 PM] Jason: But I'm way better than you. That's odd.
[5:08:14 PM] Jason: But regardless of that bae. Calm down.
[5:08:23 PM] Jason: I did not steal or scam so remove that post or post proof.
[5:08:43 PM] Patrick: Wow. Still the same deluded kid. That's very sad to see
[5:08:59 PM] Jason: And you are still the same pussy minded orangejuice drinking phaggot you were back then
[5:09:02 PM] Jason: That is also very sad to see.
[5:09:13 PM] Jason: That has nothing to do with this tho
[5:09:24 PM] Patrick: What on earth are you talking about?
[5:09:47 PM] Jason: I'm saying you're a pussy and you have always been a pussy. The way you talk about drinking orange juice in your favourite wine bars makes me want to drink a couple shots of bleach
[5:09:59 PM] Jason: But again. I don't care about that
[5:10:03 PM] Jason: I can put our differences aside.
[5:10:09 PM] Jason: I accept you for the way you are.
[5:10:30 PM] Jason: We're cool tho right?
[5:12:32 PM] Patrick: Bro, I really don't care either way for or against you. You're obviously mentally unstable and that's very sad to see for somebody so young and seemingly talented. Remember poker is just a game that's there at the moment. It will be gone soon and you'll need to learn how to live life and deal with whatever demons you have in your head. If you want to speak about stuff or want me to refer to you specialists/psychologists or whatever else I would genuinely be happy to do so. It's very sad to see such little progression in you as a person despite you seemingly doing better at poker.
[5:13:18 PM] Jason: Man who sent you? Dork squad?
[5:15:03 PM] Patrick:
[5:15:18 PM] Jason: :rolleyees: is not a thing in skype
[5:15:27 PM] Jason: Anyways
[5:16:07 PM] Jason: Good chat. Again post proof or delete. I never scammed anyone. I've always been legit. You asked me to produce strat videos for PS after that happened.
[5:16:56 PM] Jason: This "Staking" happened in 2011. Joris could have messaged you for 5 years. He could have messaged IFS or any of the other guys on MG. Everybody had my skype back then. And I'm still on the same account. I never blocked Joris.
[5:17:32 PM] Patrick: So what was the details. I'm happy to hear your side of the story too and I'll ask him again aswell
[5:17:34 PM] Jason: I know you're a dramaqueen but to post something like that publicly is just outright stupid
[5:18:34 PM] Jason: I don't remember the details. Neither does Joris.
[5:18:37 PM] Jason: He staked me
[5:18:44 PM] Jason: I'm pretty sure we were up on the stake.
[5:18:52 PM] Patrick: You are quite clearly the drama queen sir. All you have been giving is outright cheap digs and insults
[5:19:21 PM] Jason: We had some rules regarding not battlign strong regs
[5:19:33 PM] Jason: I think I battled some regs that Joris figured I wouldn't beat.
[5:19:36 PM] Jason: I disagreed.
[5:19:39 PM] Jason: We had an argument over that
[5:19:44 PM] Jason: He said send me the money.
[5:19:48 PM] Jason: I said wtf and sent the money
[5:20:02 PM] Jason: I never blocked him. And although I'm not certain I think we were up on the stake
[5:21:02 PM] Jason: And now 5 years later
[5:21:06 PM] Jason: I mean the guy obviously went broke?
[5:21:19 PM] Jason: He asks for 2k$
[5:21:37 PM] Jason: There is no way I lost 2k$. No way.
[5:21:57 PM] Jason: And I told him I'll pay every cent I owe him if he provides any sort of proof.
[5:23:05 PM] Patrick: So you sent $2k
[5:23:15 PM] Jason: I don't remember the amount
[5:23:23 PM] Patrick: Then years later he asks you again for $2k and you say no I paid it already and he said no you didn't?
[5:23:27 PM] Jason: No.
[5:23:40 PM] Jason: It's not about the staking sum
[5:23:49 PM] Patrick: Obviously you can see why I would believe him when he was mid/high stakes reg..
[5:23:50 PM] Jason: I sent him the money that was left in my account when he asked for it.
[5:24:11 PM] Jason: I never blocked him. He could have posted in the 2+2 mg thread
[5:24:19 PM] Jason: he could have messaged IFS or you or any other regular on MG
[5:26:02 PM] Jason: Regardless. If I'm in the wrong about any of this I'll snap pay the money. It's 5 years ago. I don't remember much of it neither does Joris.
[5:26:35 PM] Jason: But I think Joris went broke and looks for cash. That's all.
[5:27:05 PM] Jason: And no matter what happened. There is no way I would owe 2k$. You think Joris just sits around and waits without saying anything after I scammed and ran with 2k$?
[5:27:12 PM] Jason: This is just stupid.
[5:27:27 PM] Jason: and you're a ****ing idiot for posting that
[5:27:28 PM] Jason: cya
I'm definitely not thrilled about having money on this when there's scamming allegations going around, but Patrick had no proof and he came come off as a huge ******* here.
I don't know Patrick much but I've talked to him on skype a bit and he seems alright.

But he did post allegations ITT without any proof, and didn't have anything once Jason asked for it.

Maybe I'll change my mind when I read more posts.
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Old 07-21-2016, 09:51 AM   #182
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Slightly stupid to accuse someone of cheating and scamming without any proof yo.

But I guess Patrick is just trying to inform other players that they could be giving money to a shady person.
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Old 07-21-2016, 10:01 AM   #183
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Edit: childish of me. Always liked flipping u off.

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Old 07-21-2016, 10:07 AM   #184
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I have said 3/4 times in thread already sorry for posting. The same allegations that were doing the rounds were the ones Jason spoke about in the skype logs. I obviously trust Joris side because he is logical and completely sane guy with no reason to randomly message me and lie about it vs Jason who is a pyscho.

I should have just waited for Joris to post itt but 1$) I wasn't sure if this was even the same guy when I first posted and 2) I haven't spoken to Joris in long long long time.

As ifs said above Jason had always been borderline crazy and I just thought posting here when friends had bet on it and there was talk about more action was the right thing to do rather than just waiting.

I obviously didn't make this up from thin air, I remember Joris was one of the guys involved and that's the same thing Jason spoke about on skype.

I definitely could/perhaps should have just posted nothing but the way I saw it (I haven't been involved with online cash for long time) was there is a pyscho kid on his 10th 2p2 account where (in my mind) he has previously scammed people connected with 2p2 trying to prop bet he will crush 500z (he was mediocre 200nl reg when I knew him, like me )

Hopefully you guys can see my rationale for posting.. If I hadn't and Donald who is very good friends with people I live with and ifs (one of closest friends in poker) had got scammed (I think now there's a low chance of it) I would have felt awful. If I had pm then and others like mix grill had been scammed I would feel awful too.

Sometimes it's easier to just say nothing and maybe I should have but if people who were around same circles 5 years ago were in my Position I think they'd do the same.
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Old 07-21-2016, 10:13 AM   #185
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Dont know anything about scams. But just one person was boss in msnl that year @ Mg. remember how u where drooling over my 25bi stacks @400 and 600.And i beated for way higher rate then u ever will. I was and still is everyones nightmare! Op is clearly sick in his head. Im glad u finaly wanna be yourself and not sauce1234 or some other idol.

Yes i take action at the tbls 50/100 before u ask
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You crazy, crazy, crazy bastard! Probably funniest times ever grinding 6max
Vs you in 2012. Good to see you're still around and crushing!
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Old 07-21-2016, 10:16 AM   #186
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Haha i can't believe you're still around Vo2Max You if anyone are a crazy mother****er
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Old 07-21-2016, 10:24 AM   #187
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Stop it! I feel i take his spotlight here. Tnx gl u guys.
And i also know there was something back in those days with multiple 2+2 acc. i got zero info. So i shut it. Atleast sauce1234 sorry mean jason u got something big going on here. All the attention u always wanted.

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Old 07-21-2016, 10:46 AM   #188
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Old 07-21-2016, 10:53 AM   #189
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way too much drama ITT
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Old 07-21-2016, 10:54 AM   #190
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For clarification.

Patrick booked a 500 usd bet with me that he can prove multiple legit people contacted him about me scamming them.

Is it fair to say Patrick has 24 hours to post proof of this?


Also imfromsweden is patricks best friend. Regarding the PS coaching thing. I declined making videos. I was offered and I declined. I had one of the biggest blogs on PS. Somethig like 300k clicks and 150 pages. There was never any serious dispute between me and PS. Actually was getting along very well with the teamguys.


Again Patrick. You accepted the bet. Post proof. 24 hours.
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Old 07-21-2016, 11:24 AM   #191
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I think Patrick fellow deserves more love for what he did. I don't think he holds a personal grudge against OP but for sure warning readers to beware is the roght thing to do. I see how OP wouldn't appreciate an opinion like this as being discredited with no proof is BS but he handled it pretty nicely with that prop bet. He's going to be showing off if he gets it through and there's certainly no boring outcome lol. FWIW, I like OP because he just sounds like an arrogant psycho crusher and that combination is a very interesting one.

It kind of sheds some light to how the midstakes player pool is right now so for a nobody like me who's interested in knowing more about it this is a real gem. Getting thought process info would be wow but I highly doubt it.
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Old 07-21-2016, 11:33 AM   #192
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I think Patrick fellow deserves more love for what he did. I don't think he holds a personal grudge against OP but for sure warning readers to beware is the roght thing to do. I see how OP wouldn't appreciate an opinion like this as being discredited with no proof is BS but he handled it pretty nicely with that prop bet. He's going to be showing off if he gets it through and there's certainly no boring outcome lol. FWIW, I like OP because he just sounds like an arrogant psycho crusher and that combination is a very interesting one.

It kind of sheds some light to how the midstakes player pool is right now so for a nobody like me who's interested in knowing more about it this is a real gem. Getting thought process info would be wow but I highly doubt it.
He shared his opinion? He flat out said I scammed people and when asked to give prove he changes topics and says he doesnt remember the details.
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:05 PM   #193
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wtf is this, who cares about whatever mediocre scamming that may or may not happened 5 yrs ago
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:07 PM   #194
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What are you talking about. I said I remembered 100% that a respected guy messaged me on skype warning me that you had scammed him. I didn't try and change the topic. I didn't remember the details 1) because it was a long time ago and 2) because it wasn't surprising.

I felt 100% deep down at the time of posting that the community should have known about the situation when more and more people were trying to make bets.

What do you mean as proofs? Almost every single person on micro gaming were warning eachother about you at the time for being shady and lots of stories true or not we're going round about you because of the way you were. Ifs wouldn't just make up about you making death threads to people, why the fkn would he do that????

Even the retired vo2max who nobody has seen since clearing is all out on micro gaming has reappeared and remembers after all the Hookers and blow what you were like back then.

Again the reasons why I posted

1- you were on another 2p2 account, I remembered you having many of them with lots and lots of drama and were trying to make bets without people seeing things
2- I as everybody else from back in the day know how much of a nutter you are
3- a respected long time playing pro messaged me saying you scammed him in skme stsking deal that I (rightfully imo and still possible) took as gospel
4- many people wanted to bet against you including friends of mine

Again.. Previously I thought you were just a young kid who was a little bit socially unaware online. Now you're (obviously) older and nothing seems to have changed, i really really really suggest you speak to Elliot roe or somebody, you're obviously talented at poker if you're able to win against line ups with Linus etc. what's the worst that can happen from doing it? It's an hours commitment and I'm paying.
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:11 PM   #195
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Tldr. You owe me 500 usd unless you post proof that multiple legit guys contacted you saying I scammed them. 23 hours.
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:11 PM   #196
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wtf is this, who cares about whatever mediocre scamming that may or may not happened 5 yrs ago
I make a bet here and decide not to pay. You read about it and mentally put me down as a scammer.

You read 2p2 in 5 years and realise I am on a new account posting under a new name with a different screen name and trying to make big prop bets.

1- you don't give a **** and read the thread and see what happens

2- you post "hey aren't you that guy who had 10+ other 2p2 accounts and were involved in something dodgy.

DUCY I posted?

It's already been proven through the chats with Jason that something did happen between him and Joris. I wasn't making this up out of thin air. Is Jason telling the truth? Was Joris telling the truth? Who knows. Was it in my mind that Joris had told me Jason had scammed him skme way or another? Yes. Was this now him on another screen name? Yes. Was he trying to make bets? Yes. Was poeple I knew taking action? Yes. Should I have posted? Who knows.
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:16 PM   #197
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Obviously OP is right and obviously oursurveysays called his friends to help him here ITT to support this accusation that cannot be proved or to alert people w/e. You should pay the 500$ to OP and finish this stupid circus. It's not even funny. We need OP funny trash talk again.
Now we all know OP is clean and he can't scamm your "friends that are good friends with your friends that live with you" You won't feel awfull anymore. Thanks
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:24 PM   #198
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Obviously OP is right and obviously oursurveysays called his friends to help him here ITT to support this accusation that cannot be proved or to alert people w/e. You should pay the 500$ to OP and finish this stupid circus. It's not even funny. We need OP funny trash talk again.
Now we all know OP is clean and he can't scamm your "friends that are good friends with your friends that live with you" You won't feel awfull anymore. Thanks
What are you even talking about?

Which friends? I have no idea who vo2max is and I obviously didn't tell ifs to post anything and if I did do you really think he's the kind of guy to say this guy made death threats to somebody so I can make $500.

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Old 07-21-2016, 12:24 PM   #199
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I would still be careful if I were Donald or mixgrill would ask for escrow or they might be getting freerolled. Op might be on a little heater but is definately closer to busto than baller imo.
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:36 PM   #200
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What would my motive for saying that OP is shady be? I have almost 10 years on this site and 10k posts, I wouldn't just decide to randomly lie one day for the lulz I just wanted to warn anyone who was about to bet against OP to be careful, I know how much it sucks to get scammed. But whatever, I've said my part, you're all free to do/believe what you like.
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