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11-05-2018 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by PartyDreamAlive
Hi! I was just wondering if there was a specific reason you are playing on Pokerstars instead of taking advantage of the rakeback on Party.
Playing on pokerstars for the good software and to try and actually get good at PLO as the games are toughest I think

Quote:
Originally Posted by philmcneal
how many tables u play a day?
im doing a simliar challenge but sometimes i switch it up at the normal stakes and start a table since I love HU cash and it can get really deep sometimes despite it being a rake killer.
I usually only play 2 tables of zoom and take it easy. Yeah I love HU PLO too, probably better sites than pokerstars for it though. Good luck on your challenge


So I'm struggling quite a lot at PLO10, down about 20 buy-ins and I felt that PLO2 and 5 were pretty easy, I'm finding PLO10 pretty tough, I've only played about 4000 hands and hopefully I will be able to become a winner there before having to drop back down to PLO5.



Here's a couple of hands I have tagged today in another poor session. There were more hands I should have tagged but I think I tilted and started playing four tables when I'm not sure I can even beat two tables yet so that is another thing to watch out for.

this hand just felt like I played it bad


PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $14.47 (145 bb)
MP: $18.56 (186 bb)
CO: $24.17 (242 bb)
BU: $8.91 (89 bb)
SB (Hero): $17.62 (176 bb)
BB: $29.79 (298 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 9 T 5 A
UTG raises to $0.35, 2 players fold, BTN 3-bets to $0.60, Hero calls $0.55, BB calls $0.50, UTG calls $0.25

Flop: ($2.40) 2 4 3 (4 players)
Hero bets $1.79, BB calls $1.79, UTG raises to $5.80, BU folds, SB (Hero) folds, BB raises to $21.49, UTG folds

and this hand is a typical confusing hand at PLO10 and I was fairly sure he'd have AA when I called

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $9.15 (92 bb)
MP: $10.00 (100 bb)
CO: $10.25 (103 bb)
BU (Hero): $12.23 (122 bb)
SB: $3.95 (40 bb)
BB: $7.74 (77 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 3 A 2 J
UTG raises to $0.35, 1 fold, CO 3-bets to $1.20, Hero calls $1.20, 2 players fold, UTG calls $0.85

Flop: ($3.75) 3 A 3 (3 players)
UTG checks, CO bets $1.83, Hero calls $1.83, UTG folds

Turn: ($7.41) 7 (2 players)
CO bets $7.10, Hero calls $7.10

River: ($21.61) 9 (2 players)
CO bets $0.12 (all-in), Hero calls $0.12


and this is the PLO10 graph so far, still not good yet

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11-05-2018 , 08:05 PM
this is a great challenge OP

im not sure if anyone commented on your original question about HUDs for midstakes but i wanted to say that setting one up is actually pretty easy, and the edges you can get using a HUD at micro's/low is huge. Most pplayers at these stakes have glaring problems in their game and if you have a hud you can identify these immediately ($_$)
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11-06-2018 , 06:50 AM
Hi - nice threat.
I am not the biggest expert in PLO but a solid winner at PLO 0.05/0.10

Sorry to say that but I would play most hand different to the way you do.

e.g.
- preflop you are way to loose (that brings you in a lot of difficult situations)
- your cb seems way to high (you often cb and have to give up later when you would have equity)
- you call too less on the river when a scare hits

... just nämy opinion (but I am for sure not the best PLO player)

br
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11-06-2018 , 02:54 PM
Some of the starting hands really do look pretty crap but then i'm probably a bit on the nitty side.

From my experience there is a jump from PLO2/5 to PLO10 in terms of difficulty. Personally I wouldn't bother with Stars.
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11-06-2018 , 03:14 PM
^ is it cuz the rake? right now i play enough to fill my "XP" bar during the boost and thats it haha
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11-06-2018 , 07:55 PM
Last two hands look really bad - cold calling 3bets is a really bad idea. I only do this super occasionally with double suited non A high rundowns. Otherwise 4bet or fold.

Those look like tilt hands to be honest - hands at the start of the thread I thought looked too nitty and these look way too loose.

OOP you should so a lot of checking on many many flops in single raised pots.

PLO is a crazy game and knowing if you are a winner can be hard - I just had a 30bi swing up and down and to be honest my confidence is so shook I'm not sure if I was playing good at the start or just running hot.
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11-06-2018 , 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by +EVillain
this is a great challenge OP

im not sure if anyone commented on your original question about HUDs for midstakes but i wanted to say that setting one up is actually pretty easy, and the edges you can get using a HUD at micro's/low is huge. Most pplayers at these stakes have glaring problems in their game and if you have a hud you can identify these immediately ($_$)
Hi +EVillain thanks, glad you like the challenge.
I have a HUD running but all i can really tell from it is who is a nit and who is a whale or reg, wouldn't really know how to use it properly at all. What kind of glaring problems could I identify do you rekon? When i used to play NL I still even found it hard to put people on hands with a HUD then and PLO seems harder to do that with even more cards, thanks for the advice though it will be something I look into a lot more

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Originally Posted by wacker1913
Hi - nice threat.
I am not the biggest expert in PLO but a solid winner at PLO 0.05/0.10

Sorry to say that but I would play most hand different to the way you do.

e.g.
- preflop you are way to loose (that brings you in a lot of difficult situations)
- your cb seems way to high (you often cb and have to give up later when you would have equity)
- you call too less on the river when a scare hits

... just nämy opinion (but I am for sure not the best PLO player)

br
thanks for giving some hand advice Wacker, much needed as a solid winner at PLO10 is what I need

In the session I played today I made sure to improve on hand selection and calling 3bets. Also I tried to calm down on the Cbetting as I just did that without thinking and took some more hands to the river. I find it hard calling on the river though as they always seem to have it and are rarely bluffing.

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Originally Posted by Masq
Some of the starting hands really do look pretty crap but then i'm probably a bit on the nitty side.

From my experience there is a jump from PLO2/5 to PLO10 in terms of difficulty. Personally I wouldn't bother with Stars.
Hi Masq, yeah thanks for pointing out the bad starting hands, think the way I tilt is playing more hands and calling 3bets. Yeah I noticed the difference and didn't really expect it, PLO10 seems harder than normal tables even at PLO midstakes on some sites when there are a couple of crazies on the table. I'll try and complete this challenge though


So I played again today and tried to change how I play a bit, didn't feel as though I played as bad as the last two sessions and hopefully the graph is starting to look more break even-ish towards the end. These are a few of the hands I tagged.

here is me calling the river, maybe should have raised turn, fairly happy with the check on the flop as I didn't want to be raised here? he ended up winning with full house eights full of sixes


PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $58.80 (588 bb)
MP: $9.75 (98 bb)
CO: $9.77 (98 bb)
BU: $21.99 (220 bb)
SB: $12.16 (122 bb)
BB (Hero): $10.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 9 A Q A
4 players fold, SB raises to $0.30, Hero 3-bets to $0.90, SB calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) K Q 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($1.80) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $1.72, Hero calls $1.72

River: ($5.24) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $1.80, Hero calls $1.80


this hand maybe I should have checked flop, bet turn

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): $10.00 (100 bb)
MP: $9.75 (98 bb)
CO: $9.46 (95 bb)
BU: $10.03 (100 bb)
SB: $37.98 (380 bb)
BB: $14.65 (147 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with K T A Q
Hero raises to $0.35, 4 players fold, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.75) 3 7 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.56, BB calls $0.56

Turn: ($1.87) 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.87) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.40, BB calls $1.40

Total pot: $4.67 (Rake: $0.20)

Showdown:
UTG (Hero) shows K T A Q (high card, Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 37%, Flop: 21%, Turn: 28%, River: 0%)

BB shows 7 K K T (a pair of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 63%, Flop: 79%, Turn: 73%, River: 100%)

BB wins $4.47


this hand......... should I call river here?


PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $10.22 (102 bb)
MP (Hero): $10.23 (102 bb)
CO: $10.00 (100 bb)
BU: $13.10 (131 bb)
SB: $22.93 (229 bb)
BB: $13.09 (131 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with K 9 A T
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.35, 2 players fold

Flop: ($0.85) K J T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.85) K (2 players)
Hero bets $0.71, BTN raises to $2.94, Hero calls $2.23

River: ($6.73) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $5.30, Hero calls $5.30

graph today of PLO10

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graph so far of PLO10


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11-06-2018 , 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by BubbaNothing
Last two hands look really bad - cold calling 3bets is a really bad idea. I only do this super occasionally with double suited non A high rundowns. Otherwise 4bet or fold.

Those look like tilt hands to be honest - hands at the start of the thread I thought looked too nitty and these look way too loose.

OOP you should so a lot of checking on many many flops in single raised pots.

PLO is a crazy game and knowing if you are a winner can be hard - I just had a 30bi swing up and down and to be honest my confidence is so shook I'm not sure if I was playing good at the start or just running hot.

cheers Bubba, yeah I was on tilt but I didn't realise how bad calling 3bets is, as long as I didn't have an A myself or a pair I was pretty happy to call as I thought you were supposed to in PLO, I'll have to look into it, unless cold calling means when your out of position because I do fold quite a lot there but in position without an A or pair I usually like to call?

Yeah I'm trying to do more checking and trying not to bloat pots as much. Agree with you about variance, sometimes I think I know kind of what I'm doing and the next day I think I'm pretty stupid. Don't know what the cure would be after downswinging so much really. Oh well it's fun though and gl in your games
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11-07-2018 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Gillingham
cheers Bubba, yeah I was on tilt but I didn't realise how bad calling 3bets is, as long as I didn't have an A myself or a pair I was pretty happy to call as I thought you were supposed to in PLO, I'll have to look into it, unless cold calling means when your out of position because I do fold quite a lot there but in position without an A or pair I usually like to call?

Yeah I'm trying to do more checking and trying not to bloat pots as much. Agree with you about variance, sometimes I think I know kind of what I'm doing and the next day I think I'm pretty stupid. Don't know what the cure would be after downswinging so much really. Oh well it's fun though and gl in your games
Cold calling means calling a 3bet when you are not the pre flop raiser.

Ie in the AJ23 hand, V1 opens, V2 3bets, and you cold call on the button.
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11-07-2018 , 03:09 AM
that last hand you posted (kings full) looks like you're calling for a chop at best. i mean, he could try some bull**** with the straight flush blocker, but no one folds a full house so i wouldn't expect him to do that.

you're almost always up against KJ (or the straight flush) on the river, especially when the T pairs for that nice blocker effect.
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11-07-2018 , 03:26 AM
h1: I would not cbet (I cbet either if I have absolutely nothing and try to steal the pot (give up on later streets) or for value. Here you have a hand where you would like to see the turn card as a lot of cards (T-A, any heart) would improve your hand. A raise on the flop would be very bad for your hand as you would have to fold and give up equity)

The line cb flop/check turn/bet river often looks very weak. If you check flop and bet turn and river your line looks much stronger.
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11-07-2018 , 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BubbaNothing
Cold calling means calling a 3bet when you are not the pre flop raiser.

Ie in the AJ23 hand, V1 opens, V2 3bets, and you cold call on the button.
oh cheers Bubba, makes sense now what hands you were saying to cold call with then

Quote:
Originally Posted by potsmasher
that last hand you posted (kings full) looks like you're calling for a chop at best. i mean, he could try some bull**** with the straight flush blocker, but no one folds a full house so i wouldn't expect him to do that.

you're almost always up against KJ (or the straight flush) on the river, especially when the T pairs for that nice blocker effect.
yeah i guess, just didn't have the discipline to fold

Quote:
Originally Posted by wacker1913
h1: I would not cbet (I cbet either if I have absolutely nothing and try to steal the pot (give up on later streets) or for value. Here you have a hand where you would like to see the turn card as a lot of cards (T-A, any heart) would improve your hand. A raise on the flop would be very bad for your hand as you would have to fold and give up equity)

The line cb flop/check turn/bet river often looks very weak. If you check flop and bet turn and river your line looks much stronger.
ah thanks I'll try and use a c-bet strategy a bit more like yours then, yeah that line does look a bit weak I've been doing it a lot and been getting called so I'll have to change it up.


okay so played again today and it didn't go well again and I'm going to have to drop to PLO5, rebuild a little and then around the end of the month I will have another go at PLO10.

Here are the hands I tagged, some I played really really bad at times and didn't even tag them as I know I shouldn't be playing like that but I'll try and find a couple anyway.


this is one of the bad hands

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $24.17 (242 bb)
MP: $7.90 (79 bb)
CO (Hero): $31.73 (317 bb)
BU: $51.76 (518 bb)
SB: $7.97 (80 bb)
BB: $10.20 (102 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 4 K J Q
1 fold, MP raises to $0.35, Hero 3-bets to $1.20, BTN calls $1.20, 2 players fold, MP calls $0.85

Flop: ($3.75) 2 K K (3 players)
MP checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($3.75) 5 (3 players)
MP checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $2, MP folds, Hero raises to $8.40, BTN calls $6.40

River: ($20.55) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $19.68, BTN calls $19.68

Total pot: $59.91 (Rake: $1.50)

Showdown:
CO (Hero) shows 4 K J Q (three of a kind, Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 50%, Flop: 75%, Turn: 23%, River: 0%)

BU shows A 4 9 7 (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 50%, Flop: 25%, Turn: 78%, River: 100%)

BU wins $58.41


this is another hand that gets big, but not sure I played it particularly bad


PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): $28.73 (287 bb)
MP: $73.74 (737 bb)
CO: $19.04 (190 bb)
BU: $8.65 (87 bb)
SB: $13.12 (131 bb)
BB: $12.02 (120 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with 3 5 K K
Hero raises to $0.35, MP 3-bets to $1.20, 3 players fold, BB calls $1.10, Hero calls $0.85

Flop: ($3.65) J 2 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP bets $1.75, BB folds, Hero raises to $8.74, MP calls $6.99

Turn: ($21.13) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $18.79 (all-in), MP calls $18.79

River: ($58.71) 3 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $58.71 (Rake: $1.50)

Showdown:
UTG (Hero) shows 3 5 K K (two pair, Fives and Threes)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 33%, Flop: 49%, Turn: 30%, River: 0%)

MP shows A 4 J A (a straight, Ace to Five)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 67%, Flop: 51%, Turn: 70%, River: 100%)

MP wins $57.21


this is me over playing again

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $10.61 (106 bb)
MP: $6.04 (60 bb)
CO: $15.22 (152 bb)
BU: $6.39 (64 bb)
SB: $31.56 (316 bb)
BB (Hero): $10.99 (110 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 6 4 6 5
4 players fold, SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) 2 6 K (2 players)
SB bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.77, SB calls $1.37

Turn: ($4.14) Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.48, SB raises to $14.40, Hero calls $5.44 (all-in)

River: ($21.98) 2 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $21.98 (Rake: $0.93)

Showdown:
SB shows K K 6 T (a full house, Kings full of Twos)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 71%, Flop: 82%, Turn: 90%, River: 100%)

BB (Hero) shows 6 4 6 5 (a full house, Sixes full of Twos)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 29%, Flop: 18%, Turn: 10%, River: 0%)

SB wins $21.05

just pretty much doing too much of that, I'll go back to playing just 2 tables instead of 4 and drop a stake

final PLO10 graph for a couple of weeks

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11-07-2018 , 09:04 PM
the fact that you even have a graph to show and that you are approaching your goals in an organized way is a big deal.

I have respect for anyone who is willing to post a graph where they lost money, because this is the reality of poker.

As far as hand advice that you are getting from other players I want to say this: so far you have gotten some great advice from good players, but always remember to take advice from 2+2 posters with a grain of salt because ultimately these are just people on the internet and many of them are not qualified to tell you how you should play hands. I have gotten some really terrible advice on this site, but also some priceless advice. filtering through it is the hard part.

If you arent already, I would recommend in the strongest possible terms that you subscribe to a coaching site like RIO. It looks like maybe you are on upswing because i see your hand histories have a link but IDK. On 2+2 seek out the winning players, send them messages, ask them questions, I have encountered some really generous players who are willing to give me advice directly when i reach out to them.

Sorry to preach man, im sure you know this stuff anyway

+EVillain
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11-08-2018 , 11:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by +EVillain
the fact that you even have a graph to show and that you are approaching your goals in an organized way is a big deal.

I have respect for anyone who is willing to post a graph where they lost money, because this is the reality of poker.

As far as hand advice that you are getting from other players I want to say this: so far you have gotten some great advice from good players, but always remember to take advice from 2+2 posters with a grain of salt because ultimately these are just people on the internet and many of them are not qualified to tell you how you should play hands. I have gotten some really terrible advice on this site, but also some priceless advice. filtering through it is the hard part.

If you arent already, I would recommend in the strongest possible terms that you subscribe to a coaching site like RIO. It looks like maybe you are on upswing because i see your hand histories have a link but IDK. On 2+2 seek out the winning players, send them messages, ask them questions, I have encountered some really generous players who are willing to give me advice directly when i reach out to them.

Sorry to preach man, im sure you know this stuff anyway

+EVillain
thanks a lot for the advice +EVillain it helps a lot when losing to get that kind of advice and makes a lot of sense, sometimes I've asked a few really good players a question or two and they've all replied which is really cool, I may end up paying for coaching at some point, maybe I'll sign up for a coaching site but I quite like trying to work it out for myself, even though that might sound a bit silly.

Okay so today came around and I thought of two options, I could not play poker, have a couple of beers and continue next week 2 tabling plo5, or I could go on a run (outside, healthy) and just continue to play plo10 zoom and try and win. I chose the second option, disregarding bankroll management really but if I did bust then I would be able to redeposit and carry on at PLO10 on payday at the end of the month. I do find it very hard to drop down stakes though so if this goes bad it won't matter too much, but if I was playing PLO100 and lost 50 buy-ins then I wouldn't be able to replenish the bankroll so it is something to think about moving forward and maybe try and play with an even bigger bankroll.

So I ended up 4 tabling and playing 4000 hands and I do feel like from the 2000th hand onwards I was starting to get the hang of it so hopefully I can start to beat this stake now. It made a change having a small winning ev day compared to the last 3 days where I just seem to lose multiple buy-ins and the graph was going straight down.

I've got work in three hours so am not going to bother posting hands today but here is the graph of today and PLO10 so far.

today

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plo10 so far

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11-10-2018 , 04:49 AM
So after I thought I got the hang of PLO10, played again yesterday and played bad again here's the only hand I tagged from the session, might be a sign I'm being a bit of a bull in a china shop if I only tagged one hand from 2000 in a bad session.


it was one of those hands where I maybe should have check called rather than be forced to fold a hand with decent equity, or should I have gone all in?

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): $12.56 (126 bb)
MP: $9.20 (92 bb)
CO: $8.40 (84 bb)
BU: $6.08 (61 bb)
SB: $17.91 (179 bb)
BB: $5.16 (52 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with K 4 2 K
Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, CO calls $0.35, 2 players fold, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.10) T 6 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.92, CO raises to $2.37, BB folds, UTG (Hero) folds

Total pot: $2.94 (Rake: $0.12)
CO wins $2.82


and here is the graph of yesterdays session

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and PLO10 so far



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Last edited by Gillingham; 11-10-2018 at 04:50 AM. Reason: spelling mistake
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11-10-2018 , 05:25 AM
hang in there Gillingham!

last hand i'de never ever bet/fold. Obv in bad shape vs Ad*dxx combos but doing ok vs his overall raising range.
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11-10-2018 , 05:31 PM
yeah hang in there gillingham, better times ahead!
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11-10-2018 , 08:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cardporn
hang in there Gillingham!

last hand i'de never ever bet/fold. Obv in bad shape vs Ad*dxx combos but doing ok vs his overall raising range.
Thanks!
yeah I did feel like a chicken folding but just think those times when you are crushed by Addxx stick in my head, guess I should have done anything but fold then

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Originally Posted by +EVillain
yeah hang in there gillingham, better times ahead!
hehe hope so, cheers


played another couple of thousand hands today and felt like I was doing okay again, hopefully at least break evenish now at this stake, but I say that and then tomorrow I'll be down 7 buy-ins in EV and feel like I played bad again, I wonder when your playing PLO can you often have sessions down a few buy-ins in EV and have still played quite well? probably

so here is a few hands from today

here is a hand I probably should have checked flop as I have a half decent hand that I don't want to be folding, should I have folded though?

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $7.29 (73 bb)
MP (Hero): $22.13 (221 bb)
CO: $13.88 (139 bb)
BU: $32.02 (320 bb)
SB: $14.27 (143 bb)
BB: $18.87 (189 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with K A A 2
UTG calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.45, 4 players fold, UTG calls $0.35

Flop: ($1.05) K Q T (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.79, UTG raises to $2.10, MP (Hero) folds

Total pot: $2.63 (Rake: $0.11)
UTG wins $2.52


this hand, I just felt like I played it weak, probably shouldn't have 3bet pre either, not sure

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $35.49 (355 bb)
MP: $10.41 (104 bb)
CO: $26.61 (266 bb)
BU: $4.85 (49 bb)
SB (Hero): $15.77 (158 bb)
BB: $10.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with A 2 A A
2 players fold, CO raises to $0.35, BTN calls $0.35, Hero 3-bets to $1.50, 1 fold, CO calls $1.15, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.45) J 9 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($3.45) J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.50, SB (Hero) folds

Total pot: $3.45 (Rake: $0.15)
CO wins $3.30


and this hand, looking back on it is probably an easy hand to get all in on the flop, don't really know why I thought it might have been something to think about, wonder if it is a good hand to 3bet pre though

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $10.42 (104 bb)
MP: $53.32 (533 bb)
CO: $25.41 (254 bb)
BU (Hero): $13.19 (132 bb)
SB: $8.59 (86 bb)
BB: $9.54 (95 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 6 4 T A
1 fold, MP raises to $0.35, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets to $1.20, SB calls $1.15, BB calls $1.10, MP calls $0.85

Flop: ($4.80) A 5 A (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $4.60, MP folds, Hero raises to $11.99 (all-in), SB folds, BB calls $3.74 (all-in)

Turn: ($21.48) J (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($21.48) 2 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $21.48 (Rake: $0.91)

Showdown:
BU (Hero) shows 6 4 T A (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 39%, Flop: 26%, Turn: 15%, River: 0%)

BB shows K 5 A K (a full house, Aces full of Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 61%, Flop: 74%, Turn: 85%, River: 100%)

BB wins $20.57


this was today's session





and this is PLO10 so far

Being a winner at PLO2-PLO500 zoom or NL zoom Quote
11-10-2018 , 10:29 PM
nice session OP!

"I wonder when your playing PLO can you often have sessions down a few buy-ins in EV and have still played quite well? probably"

yes!

First hand i personally would peel flop and reevaluate turn. It looks like a great bluffing candidate w/ the NF blocker and blocking/drawing to the nut straight. Since villain check called pre, and you are blocking one of the kings it seems most likely that he was holding a weak set of queens, tens, or some kind of bottom straight. I dont think you made a mistake betting flop. You have a large range/EQ advantage on this board
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11-11-2018 , 01:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gillingham
So after I thought I got the hang of PLO10, played again yesterday and played bad again here's the only hand I tagged from the session, might be a sign I'm being a bit of a bull in a china shop if I only tagged one hand from 2000 in a bad session.


it was one of those hands where I maybe should have check called rather than be forced to fold a hand with decent equity, or should I have gone all in?

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): $12.56 (126 bb)
MP: $9.20 (92 bb)
CO: $8.40 (84 bb)
BU: $6.08 (61 bb)
SB: $17.91 (179 bb)
BB: $5.16 (52 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with K 4 2 K
Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, CO calls $0.35, 2 players fold, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.10) T 6 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.92, CO raises to $2.37, BB folds, UTG (Hero) folds

Total pot: $2.94 (Rake: $0.12)
CO wins $2.82
1) Raise pre is close (one of the rare cases I limp)
2) Either check flop or as played get it in - and make your cb‘s smaller with such draws

Last edited by wacker1913; 11-11-2018 at 02:04 PM.
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11-11-2018 , 02:03 PM
h1: never, ever cbet this flop - you cannot stand a raise but like to see a card (e.g. if a club comes you can bet pot on turn and river) - if you cbet make it smaller like 50% of the pot
h2: ok
h3: dont 3bet pre - this is not a good hand - its good enough to call in position but a very bad 3bet hand (you have less then 40% preflop vs a hand the opponent has)
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11-11-2018 , 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by +EVillain
nice session OP!

"I wonder when your playing PLO can you often have sessions down a few buy-ins in EV and have still played quite well? probably"

yes!

First hand i personally would peel flop and reevaluate turn. It looks like a great bluffing candidate w/ the NF blocker and blocking/drawing to the nut straight. Since villain check called pre, and you are blocking one of the kings it seems most likely that he was holding a weak set of queens, tens, or some kind of bottom straight. I dont think you made a mistake betting flop. You have a large range/EQ advantage on this board
ah thanks for the summary, so cbetting could be good on this flop due to the reasons you stated but you'd prefer to play it so you check flop and bet turn instead to not bloat the pot/get raised, think I get what you saying

Quote:
Originally Posted by wacker1913
1) Raise pre is close (one of the rare cases I limp)
2) Either check flop or as played get it in - and make your cb‘s smaller with such draws
1) oh okay I guess because all that is really going to be good is a set of KK
2) yeah shouldn't have folded in the end then, if the cbet's smaller I guess me shoving over him gives him more of a chance to fold

Quote:
Originally Posted by wacker1913
h1: never, ever cbet this flop - you cannot stand a raise but like to see a card (e.g. if a club comes you can bet pot on turn and river) - if you cbet make it smaller like 50% of the pot
h2: ok
h3: dont 3bet pre - this is not a good hand - its good enough to call in position but a very bad 3bet hand (you have less then 40% preflop vs a hand the opponent has)
h1) okay seems I shouldn't cbet here, is smaller cbetting just going to save me money when I get raised and make me a bit less committed to pots I guess, as well as in the other hand he might be more likely to fold to my shove if my cbet is smaller so it gives me more room for maneuver
h3) i see thanks a lot for the replies wacker, they seem to be helping out


played again today and had a good session, time to end the play now as I'm getting a bit tired and have played more often than usual the last few days, but more please with how it is going.

here's a cool hand to post as there is already some hand discussion going on in this post

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $10.27 (103 bb)
MP: $9.34 (93 bb)
CO (Hero): $18.81 (188 bb)
BU: $29.05 (291 bb)
SB: $4.70 (47 bb)
BB: $10.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with 5 T K J
2 players fold, Hero raises to $0.35, 1 fold, SB calls $0.30, BB 3-bets to $1.40, Hero calls $1.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.15) J T T (2 players)
BB bets $3.02, Hero calls $3.02

Turn: ($9.19) J (2 players)
BB bets $5.58 (all-in), Hero calls $5.58

River: ($20.35) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $20.35 (Rake: $0.86)

Showdown:
BB shows Q 3 A Q (a Royal Flush)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 58%, Flop: 10%, Turn: 8%, River: 100%)

CO (Hero) shows 5 T K J (a full house, Jacks full of Kings)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 42%, Flop: 90%, Turn: 93%, River: 0%)

BB wins $19.49

graph of today




graph of PLO10 so far

Being a winner at PLO2-PLO500 zoom or NL zoom Quote
11-12-2018 , 08:19 PM
played again today, a break even day and these hands came up, three folds.

this hand seems like a nothing hand but I just wasn't sure whether to fold so I tagged it

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): $30.02 (300 bb)
MP: $11.12 (111 bb)
CO: $21.34 (213 bb)
BU: $5.52 (55 bb)
SB: $12.88 (129 bb)
BB: $9.95 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with K J 6 K
Hero raises to $0.35, 2 players fold, BTN calls $0.35, 2 players fold

Flop: ($0.85) 8 T Q (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.45) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.70, UTG (Hero) folds

Total pot: $1.45 (Rake: $0.06)
BU wins $1.39


another fold just guess I was behind a lot by the river but still felt like a close fold

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): $28.87 (289 bb)
MP: $38.18 (382 bb)
CO: $18.12 (181 bb)
BU: $4.43 (44 bb)
SB: $9.84 (98 bb)
BB: $10.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with 9 A A 2
Hero raises to $0.35, 2 players fold, BTN calls $0.35, SB calls $0.30, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.15) 2 2 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.86, BU folds, SB calls $0.86

Turn: ($2.87) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.87) J (2 players)
SB bets $1.40, UTG (Hero) folds

Total pot: $2.87 (Rake: $0.12)
SB wins $2.75

and this one, another fold and a bit confused by the opponent

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.05/$0.10 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $40.73 (407 bb)
MP: $14.53 (145 bb)
CO: $9.95 (100 bb)
BU (Hero): $42.64 (426 bb)
SB: $20.84 (208 bb)
BB: $11.62 (116 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with J T 4 A
UTG calls $0.10, MP raises to $0.20, 1 fold, Hero 3-bets to $0.85, 2 players fold, UTG calls $0.75, MP calls $0.65

Flop: ($2.70) K Q K (3 players)
UTG checks, MP bets $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, UTG calls $0.10

Turn: ($3) 5 (3 players)
UTG checks, MP bets $0.10, Hero raises to $1.90, UTG folds, MP calls $1.80

River: ($6.80) 2 (2 players)
MP bets $4.90, BU (Hero) folds

Total pot: $6.80 (Rake: $0.29)
MP wins $6.51

graph so far of PLO10

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Being a winner at PLO2-PLO500 zoom or NL zoom Quote
11-12-2018 , 08:46 PM
OP, there are some great online PLO resources that are cheap and/or free. If you dm me in a week when I'm back from Vegas I'll try and help you even. But, I think you have misplayed just about every hand you have posted. That's ok, it's small stakes and you're still learning. Keep your head up and keep playing/posting.
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11-13-2018 , 12:49 AM
Keep posting. GL!
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