Hi

Made a few gambley threads in the past, none have gone particularly well.
Another chance please

Aim of this thread is just to beat all levels of plo zoom, I'll post hands and graphs, going to try and be quite studious.

Will be adding wages probably averaging about £500 a month to my balance because I'd like to move up the stakes quickly and hopefully rake is less of an issue.

With the bankroll management I'm just going to do move up when I have 50 buy-ins for the next level and move down when I have 50 buy-ins for the level below. (I'll put limits on my account just in case) and won't play other sites, just try and beat every level.

Hopefully sticking to around 3 hours a day, maybe 6 at the weekend.

One question would be what kind of studying/software would I need to be able to beat mid-stakes eventually?

Don't think there is much else to say then, just need to actually do it.

Here's some hands from the first session

maybe should have checked river as I'm only getting called by better?




what would you do on the turn here?





and this is over playing AA quite bad I think

This is the second session and some hands from it


bit confused here whether to go all in on the flop, then calling turn also doesn't seem good




Not sure I should be 3betting pre here and then on the turn guess I have to fold









and think i just need to try to work out the %s here, probably a bad raise and fold








and the graph so far.....

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GL

Thanks Tobjo

So today I played a session and didn't end up tagging any hands, might as well update after every day anyway with a couple of graphs that will hopefully turn into decent looking graphs one day. The PLO2 zoom is the nittiest stake of PLO I've ever played.

Not sure you can take anything from the red and blue lines yet, I can't

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graph so far

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Played again today, had a couple of interesting hands


Instead of slow playing on the flop, wondering if I should get it all in there, after that not sure when I'm supposed to fold now on the turn, river or not at all.





wondering if I should 3bet pre here and then after that I guess I have to bet and get it all in on that flop





and the graph so far

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GL GL!

That first hand in your first post I probably jam turn with top two and the NFD. You had another hand where you thought you may have overplayed AA on 945 two tone. It's a 4bet pot pre. That board really only hits villain's mid rundowns. Either way with an SPR of 2 it's fine to get it in.

When I made the switch to PLO I got a one month subscription to JNandez's site. PLO Mastermind I believe it's called. It was well worth the $100. Helped me understand a lot of the basic concepts for PLO in general. If you have the money to spare that's not a bad route. But there's plenty of free content on YouTube as well.

hey Strappz, cheers for the hand advice, think I agree with the jamming turn it would seem pretty bad to have to fold on rivers in that hand as well after we have put so much in with a good hand.
with the AA just seems like I was never going to improve on turn and river but as you say due to the size of the pot maybe I just have to get the chips in and hope to hold.

Just looked at JNandez's site for the first time, does look very good, will probably wait to pay for training until I find myself not being able to beat a level. I've watched a few (Kyberri I think his name was) videos and they seemed alright for some basics and yeah I'll try and find some more, I also quite like watching twitch but haven't really found any good PLO ones yet.

thanks for the advice and GL Strappz


So I played a few hands today and just tagged this hand which seemed a bit of a mess at the time






graph so far

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played again today, only ended up tagging one hand again and it wasn't the most interesting hand but think it is probably a fold




Graph is starting to look okay, haven't played many hands but that is probably a good things as sometimes I play too much anyway.

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I think the obvious mistake here is betting the flop when you had the chance to take a free card. It's a two tone board which means there's a chance not all of your straight cards are live. If you check you're giving yourself a chance to either make your straight or pick up additional equity with the backdoor flush draw. Basically there are a ton of turn cards that shifts equity in your favor so being forced out of the pot on the flop is a pretty big mistake IMO. The other factor to consider is if one of your opponents has a similar hand with hearts they could be freerolling you so I don't know that betting and building the pot in this spot is such a great idea.

thanks Strappz, nicely summarised think that is how I should have been thinking, couldn't really put it into words so well just knew I didn't like folding there and played bad.

played a few more hundred hands today and these are the hands that I tagged

I guess he's got a flush here, I find these boards hard to play






in this hand, after putting a bit of money in with the nuts, feel the fold was good? but not sure whether to go all in on the flop or not






and this hand feels pretty spewwy, I was trying to get all in with the big blind and mp and not the big stack which went wrong. Don't really think that is the right way to be thinking about a hand though.







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That's a really good question. I'm not sure how to play spots like this. It seems like if money goes in you're either splitting, being freerolled or facing hands with a ton of equity. That reminds me of a three way hand I played the other day where we got all-in, I had the immediate best hand but I only had 11% equity. I had an overpair on a raggy board vs two short stacks with an SPR of 1 so I just put it in.

Aaqj:
I believe it’s a pretty standard XC spot OTF. Cant expect them to ever fold a flush, and not blocking any flushes it is more likely they have a flush, but our hand is too strong to fold and can still improve. So i like calling and reevaluating on turns.

Tj64:
Being 200bbs deep, i dont think you want to overplay your naked nut straight OTF on such a dynamic board for the reasons you already mentioned. Overall i like the way you played your hand.

Aq74:
Firstly, holding 3 cards to the suit, this makes it a very marginal call pre, and given the high rake At micros I’d probably prefer playing a tigher strategy preflop and just muck this hand pre. Postflop, when we have the nfd, generally we don’t want to be raising as often just to keep in weaker flush draws to get more value from them on future streets. Furthermore, holding 3 to the suit, it makes it less likely we hit the flush, in addition, you are facing a lot of action here vs a mindonk then raise, but still getting odds to call. Facing this action, it’s highly likely someone else has a flush draw (you’ll hit less often), and that someone has a strong value hand (sets/2p), and facing this action it is highly unlikely you’ll garner enough fold equity OTF to take the pot down. So i rather start with a call OTF and see how things develop.

That's a really good point about stack sizes. The SPR is around 20 and he has no backup to to improve his hand.

hi xptboy

then on the turn in the AA hand could I fold I wonder

thanks for the AQ74 hand I made a hash of it, for whatever reason I always seem to be overplaying the nut flush draw when really I need the nut flush draw and something to go with it to be getting too excited. Going forward in these kind of spots I'll try to be more cautious and thanks for explaining the reasoning behind it

Today I ended up playing another 500 or so hands and didn't actually tag any which is good as usually I tag the hands that really confuse me, so it's good I wasn't finding myself in too hard spots although there will still be plenty of room to improve.

Noticed that the other day I posted two hands in a row where I held 49QJ, different suits but still, wonder what the chances of that would be



anyway here is the graph

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Results are looking good so far. Is that graph for September?

thanks Strappz, yeah the graph for September with like one day of August from when I started this thread, have had break even and run good but no real run bad yet though.

played another 500 hands today and I tagged some hands which were pretty interesting but when I'm trying to convert them it says hand conversion failed due to it being a site or stake that is not supported when it is plo2 zoom on pokerstars, hopefully 2p2 is just playing up and it will be working tomorrow.

so no hands today and here is my graph

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Played a few more hands, here are the hands from the other day that I couldn't post as I didn't tag any today.

Not the most interesting updates but I like to post after every session to keep on track

guess he just has to have the straight here?

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $2.20 (110 bb)
MP: $1.98 (99 bb)
CO (Hero): $3.22 (161 bb)
BU: $3.00 (150 bb)
SB: $2.37 (119 bb)
BB: $7.58 (379 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with 8♣ 3♦ Q♣ Q♠
2 players fold, Hero raises to $0.07, 2 players fold, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.15) 8♠ T♦ 3♥ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.12, BB calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.39) 4♠ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30

River: ($0.99) Q♦ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.76, BB raises to $1.58, CO (Hero) folds


this hand......... being a bit spewwy and should probably just fold to the turn raise?

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $4.97 (249 bb)
MP: $2.67 (134 bb)
CO: $2.11 (106 bb)
BU: $2.00 (100 bb)
SB: $2.40 (120 bb)
BB (Hero): $7.03 (352 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BB with T♦ J♦ Q♠ J♠
2 players fold, CO calls $0.02, BTN calls $0.02, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.09, CO calls $0.07, BTN calls $0.07

Flop: ($0.28) 7♠ 3♣ 3♠ (3 players)
Hero bets $0.21, CO calls $0.21, BU folds

Turn: ($0.70) 9♦ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.37, CO raises to $0.74, Hero calls $0.37

River: ($2.18) 5♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.06, BB (Hero) folds

and this hand .........
I want to be coming along but I guess I have to fold

UTG: $2.00 (100 bb)
MP: $3.10 (155 bb)
CO (Hero): $9.95 (498 bb)
BU: $2.19 (110 bb)
SB: $1.79 (90 bb)
BB: $2.39 (120 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with A♠ 5♥ 4♦ 2♠
2 players fold, Hero raises to $0.07, BTN calls $0.07, 2 players fold

Flop: ($0.17) 6♥ A♥ 4♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.12, BTN calls $0.12

Turn: ($0.41) J♥ (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.20, CO (Hero) folds


and here's my graph

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Yeah that TJQJ hand is probably a check on the flop.

Nice results so far. When is it time to move up?

thanks, guess I can't stand a raise on this flop and makes the turn difficult for me too.

thanks Tobjo time to move up when I have 50 buy-ins for the next level which will be on the 25th when I add a little to my balance in wages.

So played some more hands today and these ones got tagged


probably shouldn't be doing this kind of thing and just didn't think he would fold on the turn

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $6.47 (324 bb)
MP (Hero): $3.14 (157 bb)
CO: $3.61 (181 bb)
BU: $0.50 (25 bb)
SB: $1.43 (72 bb)
BB: $2.14 (107 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is MP with 9♦ A♦ 7♦ K♥
UTG raises to $0.04, Hero 3-bets to $0.15, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.15, 2 players fold, UTG calls $0.11

Flop: ($0.48) A♥ T♥ 4♥ (3 players)
UTG bets $0.23, Hero raises to $0.68, BU folds, UTG calls $0.45

Turn: ($1.84) 7♣ (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($1.84) 5♥ (2 players)
UTG bets $1.78, MP (Hero) folds


not really sure what to say about this hand, raise anywhere, call/ fold river, think there are arguments for all options


PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $2.00 (100 bb)
MP: $2.39 (120 bb)
CO: $4.65 (233 bb)
BU: $7.92 (396 bb)
SB (Hero): $2.48 (124 bb)
BB: $2.00 (100 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with 6♦ A♦ 6♠ K♠
1 fold, MP raises to $0.07, CO 3-bets to $0.12, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.11, 1 fold, MP calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.38) 5♦ 2♣ 3♦ (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, CO bets $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, MP folds

Turn: ($0.68) 8♦ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0.20, Hero calls $0.20

River: ($1.08) 2♠ (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.04, Hero calls $1.04


aces with not much else on the flop, don't like to fold but guess I have to


PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $5.42 (271 bb)
MP: $4.09 (205 bb)
CO: $3.84 (192 bb)
BU: $1.97 (99 bb)
SB (Hero): $2.38 (119 bb)
BB: $2.09 (105 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is SB with A♥ A♠ 9♥ 2♣
1 fold, MP raises to $0.06, 2 players fold, Hero 3-bets to $0.20, 1 fold, MP calls $0.14

Flop: ($0.42) 6♥ J♦ 5♠ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.27, MP raises to $0.64, SB (Hero) folds



graph now


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Hand 1, I get what you're doing with the flop raise holding the nut flush blocker but players at these stakes don't fold flushes. I would need a pretty solid read to go for it. Not only that but you have position so I might call flop and take a stab on the turn if he checks it but shut down to resistance.

Hand 2, I like a turn check/raise.

Hand 3, I think a check/call on that flop texture makes the most sense.

nice way of playing hand 1, think that calling and taking a stab on the flop gives me more room for manoeuvre, also I'm not very deep either

with hand 3 it was such a small raise as well so probably shouldn't have folded


So today I did the usual 500 hands and here are the hands I tagged


here is probably a bad fold

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $15.98 (799 bb)
MP: $1.85 (93 bb)
CO (Hero): $3.22 (161 bb)
BU: $1.98 (99 bb)
SB: $1.93 (97 bb)
BB: $2.56 (128 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with A♣ 7♥ Q♠ A♠
UTG raises to $0.06, MP calls $0.06, Hero 3-bets to $0.27, 3 players fold, UTG calls $0.21, MP calls $0.21

Flop: ($0.84) T♣ 4♠ 9♥ (3 players)
UTG checks, MP bets $0.81, CO (Hero) folds, UTG folds


and this hand I tagged, think it was more to do with the maths around calling preflop when he 4bets, I have to call $0.36 to make the pot $1.08 so I only really need my hand to have about 38% equity for it to be a good call I think at that exact moment of the hand.

So it seems like a good call of the 4bet preflop I guess.


PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $1.84 (92 bb)
MP: $1.54 (77 bb)
CO (Hero): $3.55 (178 bb)
BU: $1.41 (71 bb)
SB: $0.73 (37 bb)
BB: $1.42 (71 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is CO with 8♠ 6♦ T♠ 9♠
1 fold, MP raises to $0.04, Hero 3-bets to $0.15, 1 fold, SB 4-bets to $0.51, 2 players fold, Hero calls $0.36

Flop: ($1.08) J♠ K♦ A♣ (2 players)
SB bets $0.22 (all-in), CO (Hero) folds


graph

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Played again today, didn't play very well though and these were the hands that got tagged

this hand is a bit of a mess


PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $2.26 (113 bb)
MP: $4.43 (222 bb)
CO: $2.01 (101 bb)
BU (Hero): $5.75 (288 bb)
SB: $2.42 (121 bb)
BB: $5.47 (274 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with K♦ K♥ 8♠ J♦
3 players fold, Hero raises to $0.07, SB calls $0.06, BB calls $0.05

Flop: ($0.21) 5♥ T♥ Q♦ (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $0.13, Hero raises to $0.38, SB folds, BB calls $0.25

Turn: ($0.97) 6♦ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.73, BB raises to $3.13, Hero calls $2.40

River: ($7.23) 3♠ (2 players)
BB bets $1.89 (all-in), BU (Hero) folds


here, another hand I should be checking rather than betting maybe on the flop and turn, then do I call when I'm raised?


PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $2.00 (100 bb)
MP: $6.52 (326 bb)
CO: $10.86 (543 bb)
BU (Hero): $3.41 (171 bb)
SB: $2.34 (117 bb)
BB: $2.21 (111 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with A♥ J♥ 8♣ K♣
2 players fold, CO raises to $0.06, Hero 3-bets to $0.21, 1 fold, BB calls $0.19, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.49) K♥ 6♣ 6♥ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.28, BB calls $0.28

Turn: ($1.05) 2♣ (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.02, BB raises to $1.72 (all-in), Hero calls $0.70


and this is another pot that I wasn't really in control of and what do you think of each point in the hand really?

PokerStars Zoom, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG (Hero): $4.40 (220 bb)
MP: $2.28 (114 bb)
CO: $10.34 (517 bb)
BU: $7.39 (370 bb)
SB: $1.94 (97 bb)
BB: $3.04 (152 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is UTG with 9♥ 7♦ 8♦ A♥
Hero raises to $0.07, 3 players fold, SB calls $0.06, BB 3-bets to $0.28, Hero calls $0.21, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.63) 7♥ 2♦ 6♣ (2 players)
BB bets $0.61, Hero calls $0.61

Turn: ($1.85) K♦ (2 players)
BB bets $1.79, Hero raises to $3.51 (all-in), BB calls $0.36 (all-in)



graph after today


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Hand 1: I like calling vs a donk bet 3 way. You're hand isn't terribly strong so there's no reason to raise. You're blocking all of his straight draws so he probably has at worst a strong flush draw but still have some nut outs and the backdoor flush draw. If he has 2 pair you have an overpair which is great. Lots going on but you should have enough equity against most of his range to peel. On the turn you can't raise and then fold.


Hand 2: I like the flop bet and sizing. It keeps lower flush draws and weaker kings in which you have crushed. A random 6 is all you're really worried about. Not sure on the turn but once he shoves it's a clear call.

Hand 3: I think it's fine, not sure though.