super interesting thread, gl OP, you seem to have legit skillz

Soooo much text and hand analysis itt. When I have more time I'll sit and read through. Keep up the good work!

Really interesting discussion guys, was a great read.

Good luck Stasia.

OBV I am not trying to convince u or argue with you, and because of your comments I made a through-out research of my database for 4bet pots and did find some leaks. For that I thank you very much..

I have to say that I did play "by ear" up until several months ago before getting a bit into the "dirty" math, and did find some leaks in my game (esp sizing related..).

I play between 10-12 boards, but am trying to lower this number down. Currently it's not possible, and I have to play almost all the tables that are open at 400NL+600NL, hopefully when I move to 1kNL I will play less (I think 8 boards are optimal for me).

I have a question for you Did you study the GTO from reading or from a coach? If from reading, I would really appreciate it if you post a link here at the thread...

And a general question. Let's say typical ranges of a good reg at 6max will be something like:

RFI: UTG = 16% ; HJ = 20% ; CO = 32% ; BU = 48% ; SB = 30% . General 4bet after RFI = 14% .

What would be your optimal 3bet ranges with/without position vs every position, according to GTO?

Tx guys, appreciate it. You are invited to join and open discussions here regarding whatever

Its a bit old, so sizings he uses are kinda off. But I have calculated everything with current metagame sizings (and it does change that much anyways).
Anyways the thing is that it teaches allows you to perform calculations by yourself according to each range and sizing you'd like

The articles on Optimal Pre Flop play are really extensive but excellent

http://en.donkr.com/forum/pokerarticles-at-donkr-533519

Thats the link. Ill answer your questions later

gl.

As I said before add me in skpye for further talk :P

It is std for you to try to fold out A9/A8/A7/A6 OTR ? You are not in the camp of " they never fold TP" " Don't even try it " "World is going to end if they call" ?

What do you think villain's 5betting range is ? If there are alot of bluffs, vs what kind of opponent is 5bet bluffing good ? Seems like not vs you cause you flat them light.

You wrote these articles? Can you PM me your skype? Need some poker discussion buddies. I won't spam you with bad beats i promise. Just like to discuss some poker stuff!

No I didnt but sure always nice to discuss poker . My skype is chillskill87

Actually I don't think he is EVER folding here any A, but I did not put him on an ace... It's a weird thought of mine, but I think is true, that fish don't call 3bet with A weak kicker, but do call it all day long with stuff like QTo and random suited connectors (high or low). I tried to kick out Q some kicker and random pairs/suited etc.

Not sure it's the best move though, when watching the hand now, prob was a dynamic involved that I can't recall now.

Villain's 5bet range and call to 4bet range combined are quite wide, prob around 10% of hands. Not sure though what he had this time, his check on the flop seemed or super-nuts or total air, I decided to bet low to check where he stands, and turn came a no-out-card for me IMO, was prob check-folding if not this turn.

Generally speaking I'm not a big fan of 5bet-bluffs, but will do them vs loose-openres+4bettors from LP, whom folds easily to 5bet (not shove, like a bit below twice the 4bet size).

Keep this going, it is almost like I get coaching for free

what does GTO stand for? sorry didn't read the whole thing yet. The link is a very good read btw... is that called GTO?

Game theory optimal. Makes villain indifferent between lines and he won't be able to exploit u that way.

TX man, you can send me $$ to my stars account anytime u want 4 the free coaching :P

But in that case it's not free coaching anymore! So it isn't possible to pay for something that is free, or is it? (trololol)

As it happens, had quads TWICE last session, wanted to show u some "unorthodox" moves with it, haha (e.g - play it faaassstttt).


PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $169.57
SB: $402.00
Hero (BB): $466.30
UTG: $400.00
MP: $869.03
CO: $402.00

SB posts SB $2.00, Hero posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero has 5 5

UTG raises to $9.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $5.00

Flop: ($20.00, 2 players) 5 6 5
Hero checks, UTG bets $12.00, Hero raises to $38.72, UTG calls $26.72

Turn: ($97.44, 2 players) 6
Hero bets $69.08, UTG calls $69.08

River: ($235.60, 2 players) 4
Hero bets $349.50 and is all-in, UTG calls $283.20 and is all-in

Hero shows 5 5 (Four of a Kind, Fives) (Pre 50%, Flop 100%, Turn 98%)
UTG shows 6 7 (Full House, Sixes full of Fives) (Pre 50%, Flop 0%, Turn 2%)
Hero wins $799.20

Not THAT interesting, vs a solid reg, but I bet he calls at least turn anyways.



PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BTN): $701.48
SB: $402.00
BB: $428.84
UTG: $449.93
MP: $194.74
CO: $441.79

SB posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00

Pre Flop: ($6.00) Hero has 4 4

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $8.80, SB raises to $36.00, fold, Hero calls $27.20

Flop: ($76.00, 2 players) 4 7 4
SB bets $35.00, Hero raises to $89.00, SB calls $54.00

Turn: ($254.00, 2 players) 3
SB checks, Hero bets $74.00, SB raises to $277.00 and is all-in, Hero calls $203.00

River: ($808.00, 2 players) 5

SB shows A 8 (One Pair, Fours) (Pre 49%, Flop 0%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows 4 4 (Four of a Kind, Fours) (Pre 51%, Flop 100%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins $805.20

This one was more interesting, vs LAG-reg.

Play your monsters super-fast in nowodays MSNL hihi.

This is intresting because 5bet bluffing is not part of my game at all. I 4bet bluff alot in LP and the few times I have faced a small 5bet I've always thought them to be the nuts " he is commited to call all in so reg is never 5bet-bluffing-folding ". This works very well againts me . Have to try it out sometimes when the conditions are right. Flatting 5bets aswell.

Why you think that small 5bet bluff is better than shoving if you think villain might be 4bet bluffing ? Just because you make a smaller mistake when you are wrong and villain makes a bigger mistake when he continues and is wrong ?

The reason you mentioned is a good reason The second reason (IMO) for 5bet small and not jamming is forcing the opponent to make an even bigger mistake (after they see you 5bet-fold once or twice) when I 5bet-smallish with AA/KK and get insta-reshoved from 44

Generally speaking you should try to play the same your AA 5bet, and your A9s 5bet.

Thursday night was a "white night" at Tel-Aviv, lot's of partying around, drinking and smoking.. Came back home at 05:00 AM, kinda tilted because of my girlfriend, and decided to take a shower and run a session...

Graph:



Happy to announce a new "best day" , after 5-hour-marathonian-session, with one specific table (400NL deep) responsible for 2/3 of the profit. There was one specific fish that the game ran around him, chinese 55-35, very aggressive, 30% 3bet etc.

I decided to upload most of the big hands versus him only, according to the order they were played, to try and give you guys the feeling of the dynamics, because if you see these hands in vacuum they just look ridiculous.

Anyways, here goes...:


Hands 1+2 are some kind of a "check-situation" hand

PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $2,027.53
BB: $1,513.36
Hero (UTG): $630.80
CO: $418.34
BTN: $1,318.05

SB posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00, SB posts ante $0.80, BB posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80, CO posts ante $0.80, BTN posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($10.00) Hero has K Q

Hero raises to $10.00, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to $36.00, Hero calls $26.00

Flop: ($78.00, 2 players) 2 9 9
BB bets $62.00, Hero calls $62.00

Turn: ($202.00, 2 players) T
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($202.00, 2 players) T
BB bets $198.00, Hero calls $198.00



PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $1,964.18
BTN: $1,808.96
Hero (SB): $662.15
BB: $416.74
UTG: $1,316.45

Hero posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00, CO posts ante $0.80, BTN posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80, BB posts ante $0.80, UTG posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($10.00) Hero has 4 4

fold, fold, BTN raises to $18.00, Hero calls $16.00, fold

Flop: ($44.00, 2 players) 2 8 6
Hero checks, BTN bets $20.00, Hero calls $20.00

Turn: ($84.00, 2 players) 6
Hero checks, BTN bets $50.00, Hero calls $50.00

River: ($184.00, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BTN checks



Hands 3+4 came one after the other, a short time after hands 1+2...

PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

CO: $1,872.46
BTN: $1,208.07
SB: $1,730.50
Hero (BB): $613.00
UTG: $845.55
MP: $1,014.70

SB posts SB $2.00, Hero posts BB $4.00, CO posts ante $0.80, BTN posts ante $0.80, SB posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80, UTG posts ante $0.80, MP posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($10.80) Hero has A A

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $12.00, Hero raises to $34.00, SB calls $22.00

Flop: ($72.80, 2 players) K 9 2
SB checks, Hero bets $43.40, SB calls $43.40

Turn: ($159.60, 2 players) 6
SB checks, Hero bets $114.46, SB raises to $302.00, Hero raises to $534.80 and is all-in, SB calls $232.80

River: ($1229.20, 2 players) T



PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $1,871.66
CO: $1,207.27
BTN: $2,343.90
Hero (SB): $600.00
BB: $844.75
UTG: $1,013.90

Hero posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00, MP posts ante $0.80, CO posts ante $0.80, BTN posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80, BB posts ante $0.80, UTG posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($10.80) Hero has A A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $12.00, Hero raises to $36.00, fold, BTN calls $24.00

Flop: ($80.80, 2 players) J 5 4
Hero checks, BTN bets $50.00, Hero raises to $147.34, BTN calls $97.34

Turn: ($375.48, 2 players) 8
Hero bets $144.00, fold

Hero wins $372.68


Hand 5+6 were the beginning of the action, 2 "flips" of 200bb...


PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: $1,870.86
CO: $1,822.07
BTN: $1,751.68
Hero (SB): $771.06
BB: $656.75
UTG: $983.29

Hero posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00, MP posts ante $0.80, CO posts ante $0.80, BTN posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80, BB posts ante $0.80, UTG posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($10.80) Hero has Q A

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $12.00, Hero raises to $36.00, fold, BTN raises to $1,750.88 and is all-in, Hero calls $734.26 and is all-in

Flop: ($1549.32, 2 players) J K 8

Turn: ($1549.32, 2 players) 4

River: ($1549.32, 2 players) J




PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $1,869.26
UTG: $1,820.47
MP: $695.82
Hero (CO): $1,545.72
BTN: $941.15
SB: $977.69

SB posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00, BB posts ante $0.80, UTG posts ante $0.80, MP posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80, BTN posts ante $0.80, SB posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($10.80) Hero has Q Q

fold, MP raises to $26.00, Hero raises to $68.00, fold, fold, fold, MP raises to $695.02 and is all-in, Hero calls $627.02

Flop: ($1400.84, 2 players) A 3 9

Turn: ($1400.84, 2 players) 8

River: ($1400.84, 2 players) 5




Hands 7+8 followed some more aces (lot's of aces luckily for me at this specific table)..


PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $1,827.66
SB: $1,814.87
BB: $1,939.24
Hero (UTG): $849.10
MP: $939.55
CO: $474.09

SB posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00, BTN posts ante $0.80, SB posts ante $0.80, BB posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80, MP posts ante $0.80, CO posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($10.80) Hero has A A

Hero raises to $10.00, fold, fold, fold, fold, BB raises to $36.00, Hero raises to $84.00, BB calls $48.00

Flop: ($174.80, 2 players) K J 7
BB checks, Hero bets $119.56, BB calls $119.56

Turn: ($413.92, 2 players) 6
BB checks, Hero bets $197.89, BB calls $197.89

River: ($809.70, 2 players) 4
BB checks, Hero bets $446.85 and is all-in, fold

Hero wins $806.90


PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $1,853.66
UTG: $1,755.67
MP: $1,333.39
Hero (CO): $1,536.15
BTN: $963.55
SB: $914.80

SB posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00, BB posts ante $0.80, UTG posts ante $0.80, MP posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80, BTN posts ante $0.80, SB posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($10.80) Hero has A A

fold, MP raises to $52.00, Hero raises to $130.00, fold, fold, fold, MP raises to $1,332.59 and is all-in, Hero calls $1,202.59

Flop: ($2675.98, 2 players) Q 4 6

Turn: ($2675.98, 2 players) 7

River: ($2675.98, 2 players) 2




Hand 9 was a nice FD:


PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $1,320.66
UTG: $1,748.47
CO: $829.60
Hero (BTN): $2,856.74
SB: $966.35

SB posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00, BB posts ante $0.80, UTG posts ante $0.80, CO posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80, SB posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($10.00) Hero has T K

fold, CO raises to $46.00, Hero calls $46.00, fold, fold

Flop: ($102.00, 2 players) 6 2 A
CO bets $94.00, Hero calls $94.00

Turn: ($290.00, 2 players) Q
CO bets $224.00, Hero calls $224.00

River: ($738.00, 2 players) 7
CO bets $464.80 and is all-in, Hero calls $464.80




Hands 10+11 are 2 another 200bb "flips".

PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: $1,726.47
BB: $800.00
Hero (UTG): $3,682.74
BTN: $1,792.45

SB posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00, SB posts ante $0.80, BB posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80, BTN posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($9.20) Hero has K Q

Hero raises to $8.80, fold, fold, BB raises to $799.20 and is all-in, Hero calls $790.40

Flop: ($1603.60, 2 players) Q 4 8

Turn: ($1603.60, 2 players) 7

River: ($1603.60, 2 players) 9




PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $1,723.67
SB: $800.00
Hero (BB): $4,484.84
UTG: $1,791.65

SB posts SB $2.00, Hero posts BB $4.00, BTN posts ante $0.80, SB posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80, UTG posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($9.20) Hero has A J

fold, fold, SB raises to $799.20 and is all-in, Hero calls $795.20

Flop: ($1601.60, 2 players) 8 T 7

Turn: ($1601.60, 2 players) 4

River: ($1601.60, 2 players) T




From this point things started to REALLY heat-up

Hand 12 is prob one of my greatest calls EVEE :P

PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $1,360.66
MP: $1,672.86
CO: $1,477.10
Hero (BTN): $3,828.64
SB: $1,747.25
BB: $1,539.00

SB posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00, UTG posts ante $0.80, MP posts ante $0.80, CO posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80, SB posts ante $0.80, BB posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($10.80) Hero has J T

UTG raises to $12.00, fold, CO calls $12.00, Hero calls $12.00, fold, fold

Flop: ($46.80, 3 players) A K 7
UTG bets $28.00, CO raises to $72.00, Hero calls $72.00, UTG calls $44.00

Turn: ($262.80, 3 players) 8
UTG checks, CO bets $226.00, Hero calls $226.00, fold

River: ($714.80, 2 players) J
CO bets $388.00, Hero calls $388.00




And hand 13 was the grand-finale which closed the table, where I stumbled uppon the top-top-top of his range in a spot (as seen from previous hands), and even then we were about 40-60 on the flop, for a 900bb effective pot :P

PokerStars - $4 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG: $951.66
MP: $1,671.26
CO: $3,611.26
Hero (BTN): $4,407.05
SB: $1,715.65
BB: $1,009.20

SB posts SB $2.00, BB posts BB $4.00, UTG posts ante $0.80, MP posts ante $0.80, CO posts ante $0.80, Hero posts ante $0.80, SB posts ante $0.80, BB posts ante $0.80

Pre Flop: ($10.80) Hero has 5 K

fold, MP raises to $12.00, CO calls $12.00, Hero raises to $86.00, fold, fold, fold, CO calls $74.00

Flop: ($194.80, 2 players) Q K K
CO checks, Hero bets $124.00, CO raises to $248.00, Hero raises to $672.00, CO calls $424.00

Turn: ($1538.80, 2 players) 5
CO bets $2,852.46 and is all-in, Hero calls $2,852.46

River: ($7243.72, 2 players) 3




It's just crazy what goes on at Stars at deep-night-time in Israel...

lol sick hands. nice thread, gl.

lol last hand is sick .. 1800bb pot

Hey Stasia, congrats on the new best day. But don't engage the railers so much by talking about the fish after he's busted and left. Particularly not this guy, since he disappears then comes back 5-10 mins later.

either way, nice thread. keep it up.

Took your comment into considerations, was kinda tired and a bit drunk from the night, was excited that I'm going to sleep and from the score, so chatted a bit

Seems to me that you either played either watched the sess, would u mind sending my a PM with a screen-name?

Also, If I remember correctly I talked mainly about what I had, and how I played, didn't say anything about the fish...? correct me if I'm wrong.