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04-04-2019 , 04:43 PM
Quick update: Haven't been playing much lately but did manage to get 4th in a $3.30 Tourney and cash 72$ 3 days ago. I played around 1k hands of NLHE cash during the last week on stars but ended up breakeven.

I decided to cash out on stars.eu and move to .es as the player pool seems quite soft there. Only played around 1k hands so far on NL5z there but up 20€/4 buyins and that is with losing like 5 preflop all ins. It seems like there are lot more fish to pay you off in relation to decent, multi table grinders over there so that's where I will attempt to boost my roll and grind it up.


Due to IRL commitments I haven't been able to play much lately but I 'm looking to get into a consistent schedule again, playing some NL5z in the evening from now on after I get my (not poker related) studying done.

I deposited an initial 50€ on .es and ran it up to 75€ when I tested the waters on NL5z.
I withdrew all the money on .eu (it was around $250 after the recent tournament score) and will be adding 200€ of those to the .es account.

So the bankroll currently stands at: €276.34


I will be updating here when I get some more hands on NL5z in.
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04-04-2019 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by masterRZA
Hey forum, this is my first post so I apologize if it's a bit rough around the edges.

I have been playing poker for a while now and I have been quite aimless in my pursuit of getting better and I have finally decided to change that and put more effort into studying.
I have blown multiple rolls in the past and always just thought I'd play more, put in more volume and magically I would get better and my leaks would disappear. Now we all know that this isn't true.
So I invested in some resources and started a new small roll on partypoker where I will exclusively focus on grinding cash games and getting better at that game mode only for now instead of mixing and matching cash games, MTTs and SnGs.

The resources I bought are: RYE Elementary Cash Game Series, The Grinder's Manual by Peter Clarke, The Mental Game of Poker by Jared Tendler and Poker Tracker 4.

I decided to play on PartyPoker because:
1) You get okay rakeback
2) HUDs are allowed
3) There is decent game selection and also the option of playing ZOOM/fastforward if desired
4) Competitive player pool(There are fish as well as NL5 regs; I believe it's not very smart to only play against uber fish on soft sites as you won't really get better unless you play against other people who take the game seriously. Even If you win all the monies against fish on NL5, once you move up to NL10 and NL25 and have to play against better players you will be lost. Better to battle against other semi-decent players now then later)

Things that I don't love about PartyPoker:
1) The software is just overall not as good as PokerStars
2) The HUD stats reset every session
I will give partypoker a try for now and then decide if I stay there or move somewhere else. I'm very receptive to hearing your suggestions as well!


My game mode of choice will be 6max NL5, mainly regular tables but I might play some ZOOM here and then.

The BRM will be 30BI + beating the previous stake for a decent sample before moving up

Bankroll wise I deposited an initial 150€/170$.

My goals: My main goal is to develop a healthy play/study balance. I am aiming to put in at least 1k hands a day.
During play I will tag hands that I am unsure about to later review them after the session.
Studying will be done with RYE, TGM as well as reading The Mental Game of Poker to develop a healthy mindset and always be able to play my A game and not tilt.
Interesting hands or spots will be shared both here and in various discord channels / with friends who also seek to improve.
good luck mate, id say playing against proper fish though is very smart if your tryna win money and course you'll still get better adapting exploiting fish maximally a great skill either way if your against any person good or bad your tryna develop a strategy to capitalize on mistakes or create situations for mistakes from opponent to happen. id say go with soft site if can is really good your make more money and move up quicker if your better than average than the pool at that stake and enough edge to pay rake and still profit too, and competition naturally be harder past certain threshold of stake regardless of so called being a soft or hard site, competition naturally gonna come at you its all relative to how good you are yourself anyway. You should always go after the easier money and fatter mathematical edges though. just my opinion, microgamings poker sites got good quality games and rakes lowest net i think for micro low stakes, and sky poker games are "soft" but rakes bad 4-10nl 7.5% but 20nl + its standard 5% there on up and unibets apparently good too (i haven't played there though) but yh these sites are worth a look dude there good to as they ban huds too which in my opinions great. player pools small on sky though, same with microgaming but still more than sky.
im on party myself more cause plenty games run, but most likely gonna go on sky once made enough for 20nl, would do microgaming but i personally cant seem to avoid the casino lol.
anyway gl dude. ill enjoy following.

Last edited by justaguy44; 04-04-2019 at 07:12 PM.
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04-04-2019 , 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by masterRZA
Quick update: Haven't been playing much lately but did manage to get 4th in a $3.30 Tourney and cash 72$ 3 days ago. I played around 1k hands of NLHE cash during the last week on stars but ended up breakeven.

I decided to cash out on stars.eu and move to .es as the player pool seems quite soft there. Only played around 1k hands so far on NL5z there but up 20€/4 buyins and that is with losing like 5 preflop all ins. It seems like there are lot more fish to pay you off in relation to decent, multi table grinders over there so that's where I will attempt to boost my roll and grind it up.


Due to IRL commitments I haven't been able to play much lately but I 'm looking to get into a consistent schedule again, playing some NL5z in the evening from now on after I get my (not poker related) studying done.

I deposited an initial 50€ on .es and ran it up to 75€ when I tested the waters on NL5z.
I withdrew all the money on .eu (it was around $250 after the recent tournament score) and will be adding 200€ of those to the .es account.

So the bankroll currently stands at: €276.34


I will be updating here when I get some more hands on NL5z in.
whats .es .eu dude?
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04-05-2019 , 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by justaguy44
whats .es .eu dude?
Pokerstars have a European client for most European countries plus Russia, Canada, China etc. and a seperate one for Spanish, French and Portuguese called pokerstars.es

It's the same software and game types, the only difference is that Spanish, French and Portuguese are not allowed to play on pokerstars.eu due to some laws in their homecountries but most Europeans are allowed to play on .es

The player pool is slightly smaller on .es but there is pretty much always enough tables going on Micro stakes ZOOM and my feeling after a couple thousand hands is that there are more of the recreational players in the pool in relation to grinders than on the .eu client, there are fish there too but it feels like most of the time you play against some Russian or Ukrainian who is 2 to 4 tabling and playing decent tight preflop ranges too so it's tough to really take their money.

On .es I have encountered more of the loose bad players who enter pots with bad holdings and then pay you off light and because the ZOOM player pool is smaller than on .eu you also encounter them more often.

I also already know some of the other people who grind the NL5z on .es and tagged them and am picking up stats on them which is tougher to do on .eu too
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04-06-2019 , 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by masterRZA
Pokerstars have a European client for most European countries plus Russia, Canada, China etc. and a seperate one for Spanish, French and Portuguese called pokerstars.es

It's the same software and game types, the only difference is that Spanish, French and Portuguese are not allowed to play on pokerstars.eu due to some laws in their homecountries but most Europeans are allowed to play on .es

The player pool is slightly smaller on .es but there is pretty much always enough tables going on Micro stakes ZOOM and my feeling after a couple thousand hands is that there are more of the recreational players in the pool in relation to grinders than on the .eu client, there are fish there too but it feels like most of the time you play against some Russian or Ukrainian who is 2 to 4 tabling and playing decent tight preflop ranges too so it's tough to really take their money.

On .es I have encountered more of the loose bad players who enter pots with bad holdings and then pay you off light and because the ZOOM player pool is smaller than on .eu you also encounter them more often.

I also already know some of the other people who grind the NL5z on .es and tagged them and am picking up stats on them which is tougher to do on .eu too
arh cool dude never knew that gl milk em ha
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04-12-2019 , 06:33 AM
Haven't played online the last week at all but I did play some live 1/2€ the last 2 nights.
1st night up 260€ and second night down 50€ so total profit of 210€ over 2 3h sessions.

Second night I was pretty card dead and then tried to bluff in a 4bet pot with AK after I whiffed completely and ran into top set. My stack went from 240€ to like 80 that pot and a few hands later I was able to double up again to 160, played a few pots but didnt hit and went home with 150€.

I like playing live as the games are really soft but I don't have the bankroll necessary for 1/2 and I dislike the slow pace and just sitting there for 3h folding all the time and then playing like 5 hands during a session. If you hit and run good during these few hands you can make nice profit but if you whiff or run bad you can easily be down 100 to 200€ without having played much at all.

Haven't decided yet what to do with the bankroll.
I thought maybe I'll just take the 200€ I won from 1/2 and add it to my roll. The 220€ I withdrew from stars.eu I haven't allocated yet so I have like 420€ that I won from poker that I could use to invest into my roll

Last edited by masterRZA; 04-12-2019 at 06:38 AM.
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04-12-2019 , 09:39 AM
You are not going to find success in poker, because of your mindset, dont have strenght, you set on a path, and when it got a little difficult, not a lot, few losing sessions you take breaks of days . Its not how it works guys. PLEASE LISTEN ALL OF YOU

ITS A STRATEGY APPLIED ON LARG SAMPLE, THAN TWEAKING THE SAME THING AND DOING IT AGAIN

How can you find success taking breaks, not applying strategy.
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04-12-2019 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Donkwithout$
You are not going to find success in poker, because of your mindset, dont have strenght, you set on a path, and when it got a little difficult, not a lot, few losing sessions you take breaks of days . Its not how it works guys. PLEASE LISTEN ALL OF YOU

ITS A STRATEGY APPLIED ON LARG SAMPLE, THAN TWEAKING THE SAME THING AND DOING IT AGAIN

How can you find success taking breaks, not applying strategy.
Hello, the reason I took a break was not because I was losing but because I had real life duties to attend to and no time to play or study.

I would appreciate it if you kept your opinion on how I use my time to yourself as you know nothing about my life or me as a person
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04-12-2019 , 09:43 AM
I am finding it hard to beat the rake at the micro stakes. I'm up after 12k hands but some pots are raked an insane amount.

Is the rake killing you?
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04-12-2019 , 09:45 AM
You are defensive and weak minded , you need to accept that and try to fix it if you want to end up on higher stakes. First i dont care about you as a person, and your life situation, im talking only about poker.

Playing 1k hands a day and taking breaks, is not enough, so you can think what you want, i told you the truth. If you dont have time for poker just leave it, if you want to make something out of it, play , play, play, and dont gamble live.

Really smart, set a path, then gamble live 1/2, while having roll for nl5 online. Its not how success is build, its not the way. YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT, I SPEAK THE ****ING TRUTH


To beat the game you need to work 8h minimum, 10 would be ideal. Play like crazy to beat the variance of the game. Build from ground up, and don't gamble.
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04-12-2019 , 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by joe412
I am finding it hard to beat the rake at the micro stakes. I'm up after 12k hands but some pots are raked an insane amount.

Is the rake killing you?

No I seem to be doing fine on NL5 so far, yes the rake is high but then again the opponents are pretty bad and you can often get big value when you are nutted.

Maybe you are calling down too much?
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04-12-2019 , 10:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Donkwithout$
You are defensive and weak minded , you need to accept that and try to fix it if you want to end up on higher stakes. First i dont care about you as a person, and your life situation, im talking only about poker.

Playing 1k hands a day and taking breaks, is not enough, so you can think what you want, i told you the truth. If you dont have time for poker just leave it, if you want to make something out of it, play , play, play, and dont gamble live.

Really smart, set a path, then gamble live 1/2, while having roll for nl5 online. Its not how success is build, its not the way. YOU DO WHAT YOU WANT, I SPEAK THE ****ING TRUTH


To beat the game you need to work 8h minimum, 10 would be ideal. Play like crazy to beat the variance of the game. Build from ground up, and don't gamble.
Well I'm not sure if you are a troll, strung out on Crystal Meth or just generally a psychotic person but thanks for your feedback I guess?

You may like to degen 8 to 10h a day playing online poker but to me my "real life" is more important and I am studying to become a doctor and don't have the time to play 8h a day, study for university and still spend time with my friends, family and girlfriend.
If you like to stay in your room all day and play that's your decision but please don't tell me what to do.

PS: In regards to "gambling" at 1/2 --> In December I won a 20€ buyin live tournament for 500€. I used 200€ out of that to play some live poker every now and then, the rest I spent on christmas presents for my family and girlfriend. I played a total of 4 sessions of 1/2€ starting with the 200€ and I ran it up to 800€, so 600€ profit. just from live 1/2
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04-12-2019 , 10:37 AM
Anyways,

I played a little bit today of NL5z today but now I gotta go and study again.

Today's results after 634 hands of NL5:

Currency won: $13.32
BB/100: 37.13
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04-12-2019 , 10:37 AM
I dont know what is your problem being defensive like that. I hope you become a great doctor, and that is fine, better than playing poker for sure, and doing something that is far better than what im doing and will do. With some business interests i have, but ok ,that has nothing to do with what i wanted to say. Because in last few days i read so much threads of people wanting to succeed in poker and not doing enough so i try to say to them what is need to do that.

When i said i dont care for you and your life ( i dont mean i want bad things to happen of course, im not a sick person) i meant in my bad english, that it is not a point in here to talk about personal life. And yes i spend 12h a day playing and learning poker, coaching and writting solutions for 100bb game cash 6max. Its my life since 2016, as i lived in a really poor country where winning on nl10 makes a bunch of money, better than doctors haha if you could believe. So there we are personally, but i dont care about it.

So i am correct, you will not be a good poker player, so leave it, play for fun live, and be as best you can be as a doctor. Its pointless trying to beat competetive online game with 1k hands a day, breaks, and studying , you will not be able to do, because those who beat those games work 8h plus and play a ton, that is their main thing.
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04-12-2019 , 11:43 AM
Does anyone else not understand Donkwithout$ posts at all, or is just me that has Difficulty in comprehending the above?

is this advanced level english that polloco Douches (afaic im the only pole here, pls mod no infraction) Dont understand?
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04-13-2019 , 05:31 AM
Just for continuity: I deposited 240€ that I won from live 1/2 to my stars account yesterday.
I am now rolled for NL10 and will play NL10 until I need to drop down stakes at 20BI.

Current Bankroll now is: €322.67

I played a total of 830 hands of NL5z yesterday for a profit of: €16.53
I played 100 hands of NL10z so far today for a profit of: €10.16

I will try to play some more hands in the evening when I have time.
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04-13-2019 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by GeneralTsao
Does anyone else not understand Donkwithout$ posts at all, or is just me that has Difficulty in comprehending the above?

is this advanced level english that polloco Douches (afaic im the only pole here, pls mod no infraction) Dont understand?
lol

He doesn´t sound like a troll btw, I think he means well for all of us, but I have to say his approach looks a lot like a guy who tried to "sell" to me the idea of that CFP Gordon program a few years ago. Almost as pushy as the other guy
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04-13-2019 , 12:32 PM
Ran pretty bad on NL10z today, got it in good with a flush twice today and both times villain boated up on the river. Then we ran KK into AA once and also lost a few mid size pots.

Gonna have to move down to NL5z now again because of 30 BI BRM
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04-13-2019 , 03:18 PM
gif game is stronk. good luck sir
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04-16-2019 , 10:57 AM
Played around 2k hands last 2 days and just running somewhat bad even tho I'm playing quite well imo, feel confident in my game atm.

Results over last 2 days: -15€

Unfortunately just lost multiple pre flop all ins, other times got it in with set vs overpair and 2 outered on river. 3 BI swings happen but still sucks to lose when you aren't even playing badly.

Here is results of NL5z after 5k hands on pokerstars.es

You can also see how much money we made or rather didn't make with AA.



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