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Beating 25nl? Beating 25nl?

03-31-2015 , 01:04 PM
About me:

20 y/o college student. Studying prelaw, but apprehensive about becoming a lawyer.

Some Background:

Been playing poker for about five months now. Was stuck at 10nl, so about two months ago I started playing HUSNGs and worked my bankroll up to about $750. Switched back to 25nl about a little over a month ago and ran hot. By the end, I was playing 100nl on a 2k bankroll. The inevitable downswing came, and rather than dropping down to 50nl, I attempted to multitable russian grinders HU at 50nl / 100nl. Obviously it was not the most +EV decision, and I ran my bankroll back down to $600. So I took the remainder of my bankroll off Betonline and bought HM2, then made a $475 deposit on ACR last night. The fish at Betonline were nice, but the software was horrendous. Could not resize tables without everything crashing. I had a previous PG&C thread, but because of the limitations placed by Betonline in regards to posting hand histories / graphs it was somewhat pointless.

Goals:

My goals right now are just to keep moving up. Maybe exercise better brm, in the process. Also I want to clear my bonus. I've done the math, and I think it works out to like 4000 hands a day. Probably a bit of a reach, but I'd be happy clearing at least over half.

Played 3000 hands last night. Like the new site. Ended up $60 for the night, but lots of swings. Gonna post some of the hands I'm unhappy with.

Last edited by threekingsriver; 03-31-2015 at 01:16 PM.
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03-31-2015 , 01:06 PM
    WPN, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #35745051

    CO: $27.14 (108.6 bb)
    BTN: $29.04 (116.2 bb)
    SB: $21 (84 bb)
    BB: $24.90 (99.6 bb)
    UTG: $27.23 (108.9 bb)
    Hero (MP): $25 (100 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with J Q
    UTG folds, Hero raises to $1.25, CO folds, BTN raises to $3.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.25

    Flop: ($7.35) 4 T 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, BTN bets $5, Hero raises to $21.50 and is all-in, BTN calls $16.50

    Turn: ($50.35) 7 (2 players, 1 is all-in)
    River: ($50.35) 6 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $50.35 pot ($2.51 rake)
    Final Board: 4 T 9 7 6
    BTN showed A A and won $47.84 ($22.84 net)
    Hero showed J Q and lost (-$25 net)



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    03-31-2015 , 01:09 PM
    Should have probably just given up on this one.

      WPN, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
      Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #35745061

      CO: $34.53 (138.1 bb)
      BTN: $25 (100 bb)
      Hero (SB): $52.51 (210 bb)
      BB: $24.65 (98.6 bb)
      UTG: $12.90 (51.6 bb)
      MP: $31.93 (127.7 bb)

      Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 Q
      3 folds, BTN raises to $0.60, Hero raises to $1.75, BB calls $1.50, BTN calls $1.15

      Flop: ($5.25) 4 2 8 (3 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks, BTN bets $3.32, Hero raises to $7.50, BB calls $7.50, BTN folds

      Turn: ($23.57) 7 (2 players)
      Hero checks, BB checks

      River: ($23.57) T (2 players)
      Hero bets $43.26 and is all-in, BB calls $15.40 and is all-in

      Spoiler:
      Results: $54.37 pot ($2.71 rake)
      Final Board: 4 2 8 7 T
      Hero showed 9 Q and lost (-$24.65 net)
      BB showed T J and won $51.66 ($27.01 net)



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      Last edited by threekingsriver; 03-31-2015 at 01:16 PM.
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      03-31-2015 , 01:10 PM
      Don't like river bet.

        WPN, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
        Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #35745071

        BB: $25 (100 bb)
        Hero (MP): $25.92 (103.7 bb)
        CO: $6.93 (27.7 bb)
        BTN: $133.71 (534.8 bb)
        SB: $25 (100 bb)

        Preflop: Hero is MP with A Q
        Hero raises to $0.75, CO folds, BTN calls $0.75, SB folds, BB calls $0.50

        Flop: ($2.35) 4 A T (3 players)
        BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $1.12, BB folds, Hero calls $1.12

        Turn: ($4.59) 5 (2 players)
        Hero checks, BTN bets $3, Hero calls $3

        River: ($10.59) 6 (2 players)
        Hero bets $3.75, BTN raises to $128.84 and is all-in, Hero folds

        Spoiler:
        Results: $18.09 pot ($0.90 rake)
        Final Board: 4 A T 5 6
        Hero mucked A Q and lost (-$8.62 net)
        BTN mucked and won $17.19 ($8.57 net)



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        04-02-2015 , 02:25 PM
        Played 10k over the last 3 days. Cleared 30/475 of bonus. Also expecting to cash about $100 in the rake race. Unfortunately, I've run pretty badly. Down $200. I don't think this site is that much harder, still plenty of fish. My play has been okayish, a couple of bad mistakes. Should maybe play fewer tables. I would post some hands, but I cleared my HM database (the graph was depressing). Currently have $300 in account, gonna try to stick it out at 25nl, but will probably move down at $200. If I don't post again, I probably went busto.
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        04-02-2015 , 04:19 PM
        Good luck with this.
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        04-02-2015 , 07:14 PM
        Thanks, I could use it.
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        04-02-2015 , 07:42 PM
        I can critique, but I'm no expert; just trying to improve my own game. Used the replayer and commented for each street; not knowing what was to unfold: didn’t change my answers after.

        First hand: With QJ of Spades: I don’t agree with raising 5x pre, then a calling a slightly less than 3x 4bet OoP. You might consider leading the turn: As played it seems you have zero fold equity even if villain only has AK; he is probably calling it off after he bets flop.

        Second hand: With Q9s I don’t mind the 3bet pre (though I do prefer better hands), but once the BB cold calls this is going to be a tough hand to play; being the bottom piece of bread in this sandwich. On the turn I just let it go; all small cards with flush draw present, not a good spot. Also if you want to raise here and actually win the pot right now (but this isn’t good either) your check raise needs to be about twice as big-keep in mind the only time your folding out better hands are the nonpair Ace and King high hands of your villians. Turn is fine and because of the turn, I would be giving up the river.

        Third hand: Watched this one through. I occasionally like the line bet flop, check turn or check raise the flop. The board is dry, so I’m not sure why we’re not betting. As played I wouldn’t have donked the river and probably would have check called. As played your hand is way under represented-so it’s hard to understand much about villain’s hand. On the river it does seem like you’re in trouble here but as I said it’s hard to know, because of how the hand developed.

        Thanks for sharing these.
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        04-02-2015 , 09:17 PM
        the way you played them hands and the way your managing your br , looks like wont be long before your busto 'as you have stated'.

        Goodluck with this i hope things turn around and you hit a heater OP
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        04-02-2015 , 10:08 PM
        Really baffled by how you played some of these hands. In the q9 hand what were you trying to accomplish with the c/r on the flop?
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        04-03-2015 , 12:22 AM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by problemeliminator
        Really baffled by how you played some of these hands. In the q9 hand what were you trying to accomplish with the c/r on the flop?
        I was thinking same thing...

        Hey how do you think the aggro Russians on Bet Online compare to the ACR regs?
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        04-03-2015 , 03:10 AM
        5x is just too big. I know there are debates on pre-flop sizing but if I ever see someone make it 5x I mark them as weak.

        You have to risk so much each time to win blinds.

        XR all in with JQ hand is very bad, XC instead.

        9Qs 3 bet size too small, post-flop is complete spew, you have no equity.

        AQs donking river is dreadful, your sizing is so exploitable as well, any good reg makes a note of you bet/folding 1/3 pot and just exploits you, I like F + T though for balance
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        04-03-2015 , 01:59 PM
        Quote:
        Originally Posted by problemeliminator
        Really baffled by how you played some of these hands.
        I am too. I agree with everyone that these hands are terrible, that's why I posted them. The 5x open was a misclick, everything else was spew. Played a short session last night and up ended up $25. I'll post more hands later. Hopefully they won't be as bad. If I can make it through today and cash out in The Beast, I may be able to prolong going bust. Going to try and limit myself to 6 tables today, play abc, and avoid spewing off my stack with Q9.
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        04-03-2015 , 03:15 PM
        Quote:
        how do you think the aggro Russians on Bet Online compare to the ACR regs?
        ACR actually isn't as reg infested as I was expecting. There's usually at least one fish at the table (two if you include me). The regs are all okayish, but not great. Definitely better than the BetOnline regs though. Even at 100nl on BetOnline standard play was often the exception. The Russians there were all pretty solid at HU cash and weaker at HUSNGs. At 6 max they varied from good to awful, but never seemed to play a balanced style.

        Last edited by threekingsriver; 04-03-2015 at 03:25 PM.
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        04-03-2015 , 06:06 PM
          WPN, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
          Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #35792391

          CO: $27.14 (108.6 bb)
          BTN: $25 (100 bb)
          SB: $25 (100 bb)
          Hero (BB): $61.05 (244.2 bb)
          MP: $27.71 (110.8 bb)

          Preflop: Hero is BB with A K
          2 folds, BTN raises to $0.75, SB folds, Hero raises to $2.25, BTN calls $1.50

          Flop: ($4.60) T Q 6 (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN checks

          Turn: ($4.60) Q (2 players)
          Hero bets $3, BTN calls $3

          River: ($10.60) T (2 players)
          Hero checks, BTN bets $7.25, Hero calls $7.25

          Spoiler:
          Results: $25.10 pot ($1.25 rake)
          Final Board: T Q 6 Q T
          BTN showed K Q and won $23.85 ($11.35 net)
          Hero mucked A K and lost (-$12.50 net)



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          04-03-2015 , 06:09 PM
            WPN, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
            Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #35792441

            BB: $92.90 (371.6 bb)
            MP: $53.72 (214.9 bb)
            CO: $26.25 (105 bb)
            Hero (BTN): $35.70 (142.8 bb)
            SB: $13.32 (53.3 bb)

            Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q K
            MP raises to $0.75, CO folds, Hero calls $0.75, 2 folds

            Flop: ($1.85) 5 8 5 (2 players)
            MP bets $1.25, Hero calls $1.25

            Turn: ($4.35) 6 (2 players)
            MP bets $3.25, Hero raises to $9.25, MP calls $6

            River: ($22.85) 7 (2 players)
            MP checks, Hero bets $17, MP folds

            Spoiler:
            Results: $22.85 pot ($1.14 rake)
            Final Board: 5 8 5 6 7
            MP mucked and lost (-$11.25 net)
            Hero mucked Q K and won $21.71 ($10.46 net)



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            04-03-2015 , 06:13 PM
              WPN, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
              Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #35792471

              MP: $25 (100 bb)
              CO: $80.92 (323.7 bb)
              BTN: $15.90 (63.6 bb)
              Hero (SB): $35.59 (142.4 bb)
              BB: $26.01 (104 bb)

              Preflop: Hero is SB with K Q
              MP folds, CO raises to $0.60, BTN folds, Hero raises to $1.50, BB folds, CO calls $0.90

              Flop: ($3.25) 5 3 7 (2 players)
              Hero checks, CO bets $2.04, Hero raises to $6.25, CO calls $4.21

              Turn: ($15.75) 3 (2 players)
              Hero bets $9.98, CO folds

              Spoiler:
              Results: $15.75 pot ($0.78 rake)
              Final Board: 5 3 7 3
              CO mucked and lost (-$7.75 net)
              Hero mucked K Q and won $14.97 ($7.22 net)



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              04-03-2015 , 06:28 PM
                WPN, $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
                Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #35792481

                MP: $33.50 (134 bb)
                Hero (CO): $28.42 (113.7 bb)
                BTN: $30.88 (123.5 bb)
                SB: $32.56 (130.2 bb)
                BB: $17.88 (71.5 bb)
                UTG: $26.24 (105 bb)

                Preflop: Hero is CO with T K
                2 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, 2 folds, BB calls $0.50

                Flop: ($1.60) 8 T 6 (2 players)
                BB checks, Hero bets $1, BB raises to $3, Hero calls $2

                Turn: ($7.60) 5 (2 players)
                BB bets $5.25, Hero calls $5.25

                River: ($18.10) 6 (2 players)
                BB bets $8.88, Hero calls $8.88

                Spoiler:
                Results: $35.86 pot ($1.79 rake)
                Final Board: 8 T 6 5 6
                Hero showed T K and won $34.07 ($16.19 net)
                BB showed 9 5 and lost (-$17.88 net)



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                04-04-2015 , 02:01 AM
                Well I've continued to run bad. I've cut down on the errors though. I've started using Snowie. I'm not really trying to play a GTO style, but want to cut down on careless mistakes. Asking 'what would Snowie think about this?' helps me play a little less 'creatively.' Just played 1500 hands with 9.3 error rate, which I'm pretty pleased about (was at like at 13 the last time I used it).

                Also what about getting it in preflop with kings? In my experience, I'm up against pocket aces about 75% of the time. I have blockers to AK, and I don't see that many people getting it in with queens. I understand that the game plays differently at certain stakes, but I've never seen a 5-bet bluff at 25nl.

                Last edited by threekingsriver; 04-04-2015 at 02:31 AM.
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                04-04-2015 , 02:45 AM
                What snowie?
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                04-04-2015 , 02:54 AM
                I was looking over many of your hands. You seem to have a tendency to spew and bet big. I think you might need to tighten up a bit pre-flop until your post-flop skills get a little better. Playing a wide range is going to cost a lot of money and lose some big pots. I would also try to think deeply about what hands your opponents may be holding. Obviously at the micros, there are many bad players willing to gamble. However, you should still be able to surmise what range a player is holding based on their actions.
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                04-04-2015 , 05:43 AM
                You definitely seem to take a lot of unorthodox lines. How many tables are you playing at a time?

                Also, do you have a graph of your results so far, including the redline?
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                04-06-2015 , 12:16 AM
                I was playing like 8-12 tables, but I've since cut down to 6-8. I think if I were to play more, I'd need to play less loose and erratic.

                I think my play has definitely improved, but I still continue to run bad. Crawled back to 10nl. Down 5 buyins there so far. I can post a graph, but I only have 3k hands.
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