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02-24-2021 , 12:20 PM
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You want to be using AA/KK as a check more often than QQ in general because there are less bad cards for them
my line of thinking is actually different. i would want to bet AA and KK more because I can go for 3 streets on more run outs than I can with QQ. Id rather check and see a safe turn, rather than bet and get a **** turn and have to fold river.
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02-24-2021 , 01:37 PM
Rough session -



Going to get into the lab for the next day - share some GTO findings with this thread next, and a hand review or two for later.

Challenge graph -

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02-24-2021 , 03:19 PM
I’ve been struggling with finding adequate check raise %s and continues from the BB against the IP raiser. I ran sims for BB vs BU on a variety of boards, however, the same ideas should hold up vs different positions.


I will outline my strategy from the BB in this short strategy post -


General strategy ideas -



Don’t donk from the BB - I ran all sims without donking


Check raise merged - medium strength draws, mid/top pairs, nuts.


Dry King/Queen/Jack high boards (K43r, Q43r, J43r)


Check raise 20-25 % range against a 33% bet.


Raise most Kx for value, 2 pairs, as well as some stronger 4 and 3x. Most gutshots + straight draws should be raised. Mix in

some strong backdoor draws.


Defend all ace highs, defend all pairs.


Dry Low Boards (852r)


Check raise less than K and Q high boards, some where between 10-15% vs. a 50% pot c bet

You can raise all top pairs and 2 pairs, but the strong mid pairs aren’t raised as much, needing backdoors to be raised.


We have tons of gutshots on this board, so only raise those with little showdown value and be selective

Wet, low, connected - (765 2 tone)

From study group - this flop is vastly over c bet by IP. it should be checked often.

Raise most 8x and some 4x, nuts should be raised do not trap strong hands.


Ace highs can be folded vs. a bet.

Aim for 25% check raise vs. real villains

Wet, High, Connected (AT7ss)

Nodelocked for 33p range bet

15% check raise frequency, all 2 pairs and gutshots, some 4x and Jx can be raised as a mergy bluff hand

Defend a higher frequency % of hands than most think - 55 and 66 for example are defended with BFD.

Low Paired boards (772)


Most villains over c bet despite having 7x disadvantage

Can go for very wide check raises, up to 25-30% and make sure to use lots of backdoor draws, all pairs, trips, etc.

Can exploit over c bets with high raise %.



Turn play

Donk board changing cards


Don’t check raise double barrels

Turn probes

Mix sizings on a variety of boards, 25/33p bet as a merge and 125p to polarize. Can use 2 sizings on most boards.

Most villains check back too weak

Anything you guys would add?
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02-24-2021 , 09:56 PM
Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG (Hero): $50.00 (100 bb)
MP: $20.30 (41 bb)
CO: $60.00 (120 bb)
BU: $50.00 (100 bb)
SB: $102.57 (205 bb)
BB: $73.85 (148 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with 8 7
Hero raises to $1.15, 4 players fold, BB calls $0.65

Flop: ($2.55) 9 4 K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.80, BB calls $0.80

Turn: ($4.15) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $2.88, BB calls $2.88

River: ($9.91) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $14.13, BB raises to $69.02 (all-in), Hero calls $31.04 (all-in)

OUCH
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02-24-2021 , 10:37 PM
QJ exactly?
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02-24-2021 , 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by whitemares
QJ exactly?
Has to be. QJss.

A lot of solvers fold 87s from LJ btw.
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02-24-2021 , 11:04 PM
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QJ exactly?
yesss literally half a combo

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Has to be. QJss.

A lot of solvers fold 87s from LJ btw.
I use BTS preflop bible. Think it's fine in this pool anyway. I'd rather play a little too loose than too tight.



Ended up actually have an ok session despite dumping 100$ at the start

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02-25-2021 , 05:29 AM
Using Solver pre flop ranges is definitely not tight. I was playing way tighter than pool. Started using the solver ranges, results are much better. Problems happen when I veer from the solver range.

For instance, UTG opens with: 77+, A2s+, K8s+, Q9s+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+

I had KJo and ATo for CO, and nothing as low as the suits. Even KQo was a fold for me UTG. Can end up with between 24 and 30 pfr, open everything with 2.5 bb. It is not your calling range though, nor 3bet, call 3bet ranges.

PS, these are not the ranges for tourneys though.
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02-25-2021 , 05:51 AM
These solvers do not consider the high rake of 50nl and lower, which is why their ranges can be too wide.
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02-25-2021 , 06:54 AM


this is 50NL rake..


the real problem is learning how to play all those Kxs hands. i tried and it was stupid difficult. so many tough spots i ended up re-solving with locked RFI ranges. i used the hands from my DB that i wasnt losing with and from EP thats:
55+,A3s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,65s,ATo+,KQo+

why the 65s? idk..but i was crushing with it. funny thing is after running a solve monker doesnt fold it to a 3b either. the rest of the suited connectors (ie 98s,87s etc) are opened from MP and folded to a 3B. but 65s is always a defend v 3B.

also monker only flats like 1.x% in BB v CO steal.. it 3Bs 98% of its range. LOL thats not 98% of hands, i already closed it but its like 11% of hands.

the solve without locked RFI CC like 5% vs CO and 3B like 10%.

back to the point.. no solve open 98s-76s from EP. none of the ranges i have written in my old ass notebook from upswing,RIO,etc do either. just saying, some food for thought. my advice would be to look at your DB and filter for 98s-65s and see if your winning or not in EV. if you are, then do what you do, if not..then consider folding them before those losses start adding up. remeber what i said before about "bankroll preservation" its also variance reduction. youll have plenty of spots to bluff/double barrel without those hands. increasing variance will only make swings bigger and on a tight roll that can affect your mental game.
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02-25-2021 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by thegibson


this is 50NL rake..


the real problem is learning how to play all those Kxs hands. i tried and it was stupid difficult. so many tough spots i ended up re-solving with locked RFI ranges. i used the hands from my DB that i wasnt losing with and from EP thats:
55+,A3s+,KTs+,QTs+,JTs,T9s,65s,ATo+,KQo+

why the 65s? idk..but i was crushing with it. funny thing is after running a solve monker doesnt fold it to a 3b either. the rest of the suited connectors (ie 98s,87s etc) are opened from MP and folded to a 3B. but 65s is always a defend v 3B.

also monker only flats like 1.x% in BB v CO steal.. it 3Bs 98% of its range. LOL thats not 98% of hands, i already closed it but its like 11% of hands.

the solve without locked RFI CC like 5% vs CO and 3B like 10%.

back to the point.. no solve open 98s-76s from EP. none of the ranges i have written in my old ass notebook from upswing,RIO,etc do either. just saying, some food for thought. my advice would be to look at your DB and filter for 98s-65s and see if your winning or not in EV. if you are, then do what you do, if not..then consider folding them before those losses start adding up. remeber what i said before about "bankroll preservation" its also variance reduction. youll have plenty of spots to bluff/double barrel without those hands. increasing variance will only make swings bigger and on a tight roll that can affect your mental game.
Very nice post. Those monker ranges are wild I couldn't do it lol. I have similar LJ range to yours. Might start mixing the ol 65s from now on haha.
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02-25-2021 , 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by BobbyPeru
Very nice post. Those monker ranges are wild I couldn't do it lol. I have similar LJ range to yours. Might start mixing the ol 65s from now on haha.
I've been exploring a bunch of spots and one thing I've noticed is A5s is almost always included as a 3B bluff vs EP. I think that's why it defends it, because it gets a whole stack when villain makes the wheel. Like K43r for instance. A5s is going to be barreling and when they hit we get it all. That's my guess anyway. Which obviously is irrelevant if your opponents don't 3B bluff A5s. Even still if they 3B A2s-A5s, 65s has like 42% vs those hands.
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02-25-2021 , 10:00 AM
Those ranges look insanely tight. I'm sorry, but opening 14% in EP is not GTO. I am admittedly pretty new to the game but I know for a fac that is too tight. I am using the bluff the spot preflop bible and it is well known. What kind of ranges open folds JTs UTG pure??
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02-25-2021 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by 2021shipit
Those ranges look insanely tight. I'm sorry, but opening 14% in EP is not GTO. I am admittedly pretty new to the game but I know for a fac that is too tight. I am using the bluff the spot preflop bible and it is well known. What kind of ranges open folds JTs UTG pure??
Seems ridiculous right?! But that's what monker reccomends for 50nl rake. And a pot size open and pot size 3b.

What's your ev bb/100 for utg? Is it higher than 8bb/100??
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02-25-2021 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by thegibson
Seems ridiculous right?! But that's what monker reccomends for 50nl rake. And a pot size open and pot size 3b.

What's your ev bb/100 for utg? Is it higher than 8bb/100??
Why are you opening to 3.5x?? That makes no sense. I've seen ranges solved for high rake and there is no way a 3.5x open UTG is GTO. You must have set up the monker sim incorrectly.

And I don't know what you are getting at with the last question.
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02-25-2021 , 11:38 AM
And don't take that the wrong way like I'm saying those ranges are better by any means. I don't use them lol

You should PM me the rfi ranges you use. I'll run and sim and share the results in like 5 or 6 days when it's done. It would be interesting to see the EV winrates and what monker will choose to 3B and defend vs 3B.
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02-25-2021 , 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by thegibson
And don't take that the wrong way like I'm saying those ranges are better by any means. I don't use them lol

You should PM me the rfi ranges you use. I'll run and sim and share the results in like 5 or 6 days when it's done. It would be interesting to see the EV winrates and what monker will choose to 3B and defend vs 3B.
I've PMed you - I've never used monker so idrk what you are talking about. I just use solid ranges I know are good and don't think about pf too much.
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02-25-2021 , 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by 2021shipit
Why are you opening to 3.5x?? That makes no sense. I've seen ranges solved for high rake and there is no way a 3.5x open UTG is GTO. You must have set up the monker sim incorrectly.

And I don't know what you are getting at with the last question.
did those sims have multiple preflop sizing options? because i gave 2x, 2.25x and 3.5x. at 50nl and 25nl it chooses 3.5x. with the nitty a$s ranges i showed. ( well EP anyway). im not saying that thats what anyone should play, im just saying that giving a solver free reign to decide PF ranges and thats what it comes up with at 50nl rake. 5% with a $3.00 cap.

at 100nl or higher it chooses 2.25x and includes some suited connectors and such from EP. i dont have a 500nl sim but i bet if i ran one at 2.25x then it would have the same or very similar ranges to what i saw in the PF bible you shared.
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02-25-2021 , 03:14 PM


Decent session.

@thegibson I am surprised that the solver chooses that - my ranges were solved for 5% 4bb cap rake, think ACRs is actually slightly higher. Not going to implement it but something to keep in mind.

**** spot here -

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
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UTG: $67.92 (136 bb)
MP: $77.87 (156 bb)
CO (Hero): $50.41 (101 bb)
BU: $79.59 (159 bb)
SB: $60.00 (120 bb)
BB: $69.08 (138 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with A Q
2 players fold, Hero raises to $1.15, 1 fold, SB 3-bets to $3.95, 1 fold, Hero calls $2.80

Flop: ($8.40) 3 A 9 (2 players)
SB bets $4.20, Hero calls $4.20

Turn: ($16.80) K (2 players)
SB bets $12.60, Hero calls $12.60

River: ($42) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $39.25 (all-in), CO (Hero) folds

This should just be a snap fold right? I'm scared he could possibly value bet the same hand and I am kind of capped by the river although that's not necessarily true - it felt like a fishy line from him and my intuition wanted to call but I gave up.

How would you have played the hand different? Raise flop?
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02-25-2021 , 05:19 PM
Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: $77.31 (155 bb)
MP: $80.40 (161 bb)
CO: $50.00 (100 bb)
BU: $578.07 (1156 bb)
SB: $51.60 (103 bb)
BB (Hero): $54.33 (109 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 2 2
1 fold, MP raises to $1.10, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($3.55) 9 8 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN bets $1.77, Hero raises to $7.57, MP folds, BTN raises to $16.91, Hero raises to $53.23 (all-in), BTN calls $36.32

poker is SUCH A FUN GAME

Guess what he HAD. GUESS.
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02-25-2021 , 05:34 PM
I just made a 600$ deposit to my account. I know it's supposed to be a bankroll challenge and all, but I was absolutely itching to play some nl100 and I knew I was underolled. Worked over time for 2 weeks for that money and now my bankroll is at 1950$, up from 1350.

Made about 750$ during these 2 weeks from poker, and deposited 600.

Plan is to play 2-3 tables of nl100 whenever possible and add 1-2 tables of 50 blitz into my grind.

Since I suppose this is the first time I move up the stakes in this PGC - I will post my current results once more



Played a few hands of nl100 today. As you can see, half the winrate comes from rakeback.

Last edited by 2021shipit; 02-25-2021 at 05:56 PM.
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02-25-2021 , 07:26 PM
JThh?
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02-25-2021 , 08:58 PM
K7ss
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02-25-2021 , 09:55 PM
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JThh?
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K7ss
nonono, he has 88 ofc

u could tell by my whining

Also - first session of almost exclusively 100nl reg tables -

3-5 tables for about an hour.



Punted off a stack triple barreling KQo BU vs CO on like A55J2 and he had AJ, won a stack from flopping a set when the whale had aces.

Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.50/$1.00 - 6 players
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UTG (Hero): $103.51 (104 bb)
MP: $117.99 (118 bb)
CO: $111.26 (111 bb)
BU: $120.62 (121 bb)
SB: $100.50 (101 bb)
BB: $136.35 (136 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50) Hero is UTG with Q K
Hero raises to $2.30, 1 fold, CO 3-bets to $7.50, 3 players fold, Hero calls $5.20

Flop: ($16.50) 5 Q J (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5.42, Hero calls $5.42

Turn: ($27.34) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $19.48, Hero calls $19.48

River: ($66.30) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Interesting hand here - kind of tough. What should our game plan be? I'd be in a really tough spot if he bluffed river, he ended up checking back
Spoiler:
54s

Last edited by 2021shipit; 02-25-2021 at 10:04 PM.
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02-25-2021 , 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 2021shipit
Winning Poker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players
Replay this hand on CardsChat

UTG: $77.31 (155 bb)
MP: $80.40 (161 bb)
CO: $50.00 (100 bb)
BU: $578.07 (1156 bb)
SB: $51.60 (103 bb)
BB (Hero): $54.33 (109 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.75) Hero is BB with 2 2
1 fold, MP raises to $1.10, 1 fold, BTN calls $1.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.60

Flop: ($3.55) 9 8 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, BTN bets $1.77, Hero raises to $7.57, MP folds, BTN raises to $16.91, Hero raises to $53.23 (all-in), BTN calls $36.32

poker is SUCH A FUN GAME

Guess what he HAD. GUESS.
What did you think villain had after cold calling BTN and then 3betting the flop after you put in a massive x/r multiway?

His range is literally only 99/88, with the slight possibility of JT or 98s. You probably should've just folded to the 3bet, but definitely never jam
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