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Bankroll Challenge/Starting At Micros Though (Not A Rich Guy Ha) Bankroll Challenge/Starting At Micros Though (Not A Rich Guy Ha)

04-08-2018 , 09:22 PM
My challenge to myself is to build a roll big enough that i can go play live poker (as thats the dream have a roll so i can start to play live poker as always wanted to play live looks more fun, but being on benefits and dirt poor means im not rolled and its really not realistic at the moment, plus i still need to work on my game and improve too at all aspects of my game) so aim is to make £5000 quid then it will be a more of a live poker bankroll challenge lol most likely (ill see when/if i get there).

Bit of history on me ive been playing a year now roughly and had lot of mental game issues past and present really standard stuff tilt predominantly aswell as discipline problems just not sticking to stakes im rolled for, for example and err other issues non poker related but still gambling related e.g. blackjack and roulette (ive built up in past and destroyed lots of rolls this way about time i packed this habit in ha as all self control and logic goes out the window when im playing either of those casino games, oh and risk goes way up too).

Ok lets outline my rules for the challenge and also what ive got to play with as of now... Ive bought a small stakes poker hud for $60 (as why not) on top of that ive depostied £35 on well currently PartyPoker only which is roughly $49 im going to start at the 5nl streets and ill drop down to the 2nl streets if my roll goes to nearing $20 so aslong as i dont run like death at the start hopefully i can grind up something not sure when ill move up think gonna be highly dependant upon 1) bankroll and 2) how much im beating a stake by longterm cause as we all know lot of short term luck involved in poker, so basically i may go nitty bankroll route or ill go the aggro route really just depends once i reach/if i reach 50nl i will go the nitty bankroll route (win 55buyins for stake above your planning to move up to), im new to partypoker barely played here at all though hadd an account for awhile, i used to play more on MPN network in the past as liked fact was/is hudless (helped me refine/work on my game strategy also was the first site/network i was profitable on right off the bat so got a soft spot, bias for there).
I may move majority of roll over to Pokerstars once got enough for 10nl and just play one casual table at Party (as id guess actions better in those games) but not sure, also one other thing im gonna try my best to only play at peak sort of times say anywhere between the 4pm-1am time slot as i dont want to REG battle i want to play recreational palyers like myself, not get into a mind games war ha also other reaon for that is to deter and avoid EGO play which im guilty of doing and getting into on the past, will extend the timeslot hours i can play weekends and fridays so play later into night on fridays and saturdays and also can start grind earlier on saturdays sundays say midday if fancy grinding for whatever reason but yh sundays log off 1am no matter what not enough recreationals on (as they have work next day) to justify it.

Anyway thats all for now update in few days time or so, ill give you the breakdown of my first session on Party though below and graph in link (no ev stat though as its a results orientated stat and not really useful for me mentally to pay it much mind so ive hidden it both on my graph and results page from myself, i may check it out once beat a stake out of curiousity but really i dont like the stat much its not accurate predictor of luck either doesnt tell the whole story of how hand played out or anything you could be a 82% favourite turn have near all your stack in on turn so pot commited then get sucked out river somehow https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/7...l-luck-823386/).

first session - 3hrs 4-5tables i played relatively well guess prehaps a tad nitty in spots and i tilted a little one point (almost let ego take over, was one of those way ahead or way behind spots in 3bet pot, i possibly got exploited but really i thought does it matter if i can regain and chip up with my small edges agaisnt him elsewhere in the session where hes ****ing up making mistakes or going too far with relatively weak hands, basically he makes enough mistakes i think i could wait for better spot as such exploit him and some elsewhere) also i bluffed off possibly 1 whole stack roughly to a fish/pure station but other than that was good got a sort of cooler situation against a very light 3bettor too 10s vs kk in bb but yh im pleased with how i played this evening not too many mistakes just little too nitty tight/weak ocassionally but still in profit for the session so not gonna complain at all nice start to my challenge booking a win first session graphs below (may remove the bb100 stat too next session as again its another too results orientated stat, when aim should be to just play best poker you can each session, may check it once beat a stake like the ev stat) oh sidenote need to work on my game for 3bet pots i think i play these pretty poorly now (used to play them well) as the non aggressor fold too much to cbets in them and fold bit too much pre too.
Yh wish me luck or that i crash and burn ha preferably the former rather than latter.
See you in a few days time.

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the inspiration for my username below ha

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04-08-2018 , 11:05 PM
thought stick this part of hud results up too if anyone cares about this stuff at all or got any tips or advice on my ranges from each position too loose or tight in places or not?

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04-08-2018 , 11:24 PM
would appreciate opinions and advice on how i played this hand too, good or bad? bit of backstory too villian was hyper aggro post just bet almost always regardless of texture or range he just had air most of the time basically so when he did check i read it as hed hit quite well hence my sizing i didnt wanna be pushed off my equity but equally think my hands too strong to not start betting/building a nice size pot to win i block the straight somewhat too make him having it way less likely though possible still, by turn i picked up more equity so in my eyes i had more than enough equity to go over the top get it in particularly seeing as hes just super aggro not passive at all.

partypoker - $0.05 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 116.6 BB (VPIP: 28.83, PFR: 13.51, 3Bet Preflop: 1.82, Hands: 112)
SB: 158.8 BB (VPIP: 17.34, PFR: 13.87, 3Bet Preflop: 6.49, Hands: 178)
BB: 100 BB (VPIP: 37.33, PFR: 18.00, 3Bet Preflop: 1.59, Hands: 150)
UTG: 136.6 BB (VPIP: 34.05, PFR: 17.39, 3Bet Preflop: 2.70, Hands: 192)
MP: 191 BB (VPIP: 32.61, PFR: 18.48, 3Bet Preflop: 5.33, Hands: 188)
Hero (CO): 108 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has Q J

fold, MP raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (7.4 BB, 2 players) K Q T
MP checks, Hero bets 2.6 BB, MP raises to 11.2 BB, Hero calls 8.6 BB

Turn: (29.8 BB, 2 players) 5
MP bets 19.8 BB, Hero raises to 93.8 BB and is all-in, MP calls 74 BB

River: (217.4 BB, 2 players) J

Spoiler:
MP shows T Q (Two Pair, Queens and Tens)
(Pre 26%, Flop 50%, Turn 55%)
Hero shows Q J (Two Pair, Queens and Jacks)
(Pre 74%, Flop 50%, Turn 45%)
Hero wins 206.6 BB
Rake paid 10.8 BB
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04-08-2018 , 11:38 PM
What better hands fold when you shove turn, what worse hands call?

Calling is best, shoving is super high variance. You're crippled on this board vs straights/set most of the time and even his worst hands like QT are still ahead.
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04-09-2018 , 12:39 AM
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Originally Posted by nuxxx
What better hands fold when you shove turn, what worse hands call?

Calling is best, shoving is super high variance. You're crippled on this board vs straights/set most of the time and even his worst hands like QT are still ahead.
yh true cheers for the thoughts think was more cause of the type of player it was that i did what i did.
was a i dont wanna get exploited here sort of thing, and also thought was good chance we were flipping know its high variance but when you see nutters 4bet shove all in with akoff deep for stacks (which still boggles my mind as your normally always getting it in bad against something that has you either crushed or still a dog) i thought with pot odds i cant really fold this on turn so may aswell shove commit myself too either get lucky or use what ever small amount of fold equity i may or may not had as happens turned out to have 45% to win the pot against this maniac, also i werent too worried about straights as i had a blocker to a straight and was worried slightly about sets but not really as again i block a set of queens somewhat so only beat by two sets kings or 10s thought aces possible but yh i dont know cause of who it was i really thought werent particularly likely these things (if someone more passive had checkraised flop then id of been more cautious), basically i know this guy can and does/did call with worse he floated to river against loads of people with no equity really alot and try steal river, yh really i just thought turn i must have pot odds for this move when factor in fold equity if hes capable of folding top pair(not likely at all ha). But yh i get entirely where your coming from, just my decision was based on who was doing it really more than anything, but yh i did read the check as strength cause hes normally so barrel air happy so dont know. but yh i get its high variance play and this dude would of still called river regardless what got there, though least shoving i got paid off maximally i guess though yh hed most likely call river anyway but then again say i just called turn id have to overbet river slightly to get it all in and i know hes maniac but 4cards too a straight i might have trouble getting paid (well maybe not sure).
cheers for the reply though i will deffo take that stuff onboard.
the shove was more a semi bluff really as i knew was very unlikey he had the straight and i could definitely rep it with my blocker and draw too it so i wanted to be the one to put the pressure on i guess as if he did have a set hed be the dog behind there.

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04-09-2018 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by ShapeOfMyFart
yh true cheers for the thoughts think was more cause of the type of player it was that i did what i did.
was a i dont wanna get exploited here sort of thing, and also thought was good chance we were flipping know its high variance but when you see nutters 4bet shove all in with akoff deep for stacks (which still boggles my mind as your normally always getting it in bad against something that has you either crushed or still a dog) i thought with pot odds i cant really fold this on turn so may aswell shove commit myself too either get lucky or use what ever small amount of fold equity i may or may not had as happens turned out to have 45% to win the pot against this maniac, also i werent too worried about straights as i had a blocker to a straight and was worried slightly about sets but not really as again i block a set of queens somewhat so only beat by two sets kings or 10s thought aces possible but yh i dont know cause of who it was i really thought werent particularly likely these things (if someone more passive had checkraised flop then id of been more cautious), basically i know this guy can and does/did call with worse he floated to river against loads of people with no equity really alot and try steal river, yh really i just thought turn i must have pot odds for this move when factor in fold equity if hes capable of folding top pair(not likely at all ha). But yh i get entirely where your coming from, just my decision was based on who was doing it really more than anything, but yh i did read the check as strength cause hes normally so barrel air happy so dont know. but yh i get its high variance play and this dude would of still called river regardless what got there, though least shoving i got paid off maximally i guess though yh hed most likely call river anyway but then again say i just called turn id have to overbet river slightly to get it all in and i know hes maniac but 4cards too a straight i might have trouble getting paid (well maybe not sure).
cheers for the reply though i will deffo take that stuff onboard.
the shove was more a semi bluff really as i knew was very unlikey he had the straight and i could definitely rep it with my blocker and draw too it so i wanted to be the one to put the pressure on i guess as if he did have a set hed be the dog behind there.
just checked using this https://redchippoker.com/simple-poker-ev-calculator/ and its a like a slightly plus +ev shove at best by about a $1 and a slighlty -ev at worst by again a $1 so either way it seems its marginal
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04-09-2018 , 10:14 PM
lol did not mean to play so long today literally sat on my arse this evening and played 7hrs and bit hours ha long story very short i was playing great at the start then few bad beats sick rivers example set of queens sucked out on river by gutshot in a 3bet pot ha, set on flop sucked out by overpair that rivered a set, ace high flush c/r raised rivered by a runner runner straight flush so guy had barely any equity flop or turn ha err and few other mad hands lost a fullhouse to another fullhouse, basically it put me on tilt for the rest of the session and honestly it was a case of played well some spots poorly others so basically im lucky im not breakeven (well i basically am) on the session (thanks to a few stations and 1 fish really probably only reason its a winning session but yh i played pathetically this evening and longer than planned also i kept micro managing and checking my hud during the session which wasnt good, put me in wrong mindset of too results orientated so meant quality of my game diminished) but yh i was overly aggressive this session i think i balanced it ok but was very high variance style of play this evening on a plus side i smashed 3bet pots as the preflop caller this session played them great. but yh think i tilted off around gotta at least be 3-4 maybe even 5buyins in terrible play. just greatful i didnt decimate the whole roll ha.
graphs below lol but yh was basically 2hrs of good play 5hrs of high variance near breakeven play ha aggression went way up both for when i had it and didnt.
oh well live and learn winrate took a huge hit and looks pathetic now but whatevs i know what mistakes i made this session and ill learn from them
on a plus note nearly made $5 cashback/rakeback now
but yh should be obvious on the graph the point i tilted ha i tilted so much its untrue got unlucky lot of spots too though got but equally i got lucky in one spot in 4bet pot too so swings and roundabout but i had lot of very top range stuff against stations with near to no equity calling large bets and raises to the river then sucking out in crazy ways ha.
but no blame lies with me i played pathetically for 5hrs straight really and as soon as i began to paly well id **** it up elsewhere (the curse of playing emotionally or with ego ha, no good).
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hoping after 136hrs of play i can move up to 10nl planning to grind out $550 in winnings currently logged 10hrs

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04-09-2018 , 11:19 PM
Gonna make it a rule from now on to not look at my hud or results during the session, as it ****s with my game and strategy/play in a very bad way so im gonna pay it no mind during sessions may even if i can force myself not look at it at all day to like try play a week then have a little looky, but yh i need to get less results orientated and focus on playing my personal A game and good logical poker
also ive been thinking about the player pool at party and honestly so many many stations that float way too wide with no equity to little equity whatsover too often too (i understand the ocassional float to steal with pure air is good but honestly some people just hate folding) so im gonna cut back my bluffing significantly next session and just punish there overly loose calls probably make more punishing that then getting tricky.
Night all

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04-10-2018 , 01:14 AM
i dont know if anyone cares or gives a **** but i just reviewed all my hands with pots and i tilted off $71 in the 4456hands ive played either in bad play or tilt!!!! mad $64 of that was pure tilt play too **** looking back on it it i could of got away from certain hands (the fullhouse for example one cooler all in that really looking back at the pre flop action and opposition that did it really werent a cooler and was a for stack **** up on my part, tilt off loads of buyins last session way too loose call downs as was getting pissed off, also some of the mad dreadful river suckouts again few of them really looking back at it pot odds wise i could of found the fold button its exploitable but yh i dont know anyway eye opener forsure) i tilted off a s****load of stacks the other $7 was more just bad play, point being imagine if i didnt tilt ha id of had saved a bunch of cash i could of been at or near $100 after last nights session if i cut all that bull**** out, lot of work to do on my game still mental side of it (really got to learn to not tilt).
But yh last night was just a big fat waste of 5hrs after i tilted would of been better off not playing at all coming back another day

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04-10-2018 , 04:49 AM
Urgh played 10nl omaha did not go swimmingly to cut a long story short my bankrolls back at £35 $49 dollars after that silly idea not happy bunny. decided no point updating on the daily if do crap like that that sets me back, next update will be in two weeks time after ive cooled off, ill be playing but im not gonna look at my results for couple weeks see how that affects my play and sessions see you in 2weeks
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