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Grinding for fun and profit,10NLHE/10PLO to any stake I can beat. Grinding for fun and profit,10NLHE/10PLO to any stake I can beat.

09-15-2017 , 11:26 AM
I've been playing different games live and online for a good few years now, sometimes serious (few years back) and mostly for a side income.

Recently I was blessed with another beautiful daughter who was born 2 months early so isnt home yet, so going to grind and earn some extra $ for the girls.

So going to be coaching my partner, she's made it from 2NL to 10NL so far, lets hope it keeps going.

I have PT but thats been acting weird picking up Snap/Zoom Hands so will be able to post normal tables hands but will be getting HEM2 later this week so can post everything much better and make the thread more reader friendly.

Bankroll 245$

Discussions regarding the state of Poker, Hands, Gossip etc all welcome here will be keeping this thread up to date and often.

Won't be much till HEM2 by coming Tuesday, but will do my best till then.

I've done threads like these before and let them die, this time its serious.


Last edited by FindNameHere; 09-15-2017 at 11:31 AM. Reason: picture
Grinding for fun and profit,10NLHE/10PLO to any stake I can beat. Quote
09-16-2017 , 11:32 AM
Bankroll at start of session 208$ (played a tourny to start the grind, busted)

Did a small bit of grinding yesterday, QQ made us many a bb early saturday morning,

3 hands,

I open BTN with QQ, BB 3bets, I call.

200bb deep, some history with villian that he's spewy and bluff heavy,

Flop K7xss Villian bets out bit more than 1/2 pot, I call , blank turn, If we're best on the flop we should still be best on turn,

Turn, Villian bets 3/4 pot, I call. (reasoning, had seen Villian double barrel flush draws a few times already and he bet so quick it just felt extra like bull****)

River: Villian over bet shoves for the rest of his stack on a J non flush River, I call,

He shows Axs

QQ again, I sqz, two callers, stick them on a range of 22+ and some combos of ATs+

Flop 976, one villian donks, another calls, I raise for value expecting to be shoved on by draws and maybe JJ (one did have JJ) got snapped by him,. another one,.

Bankroll: 274$


Having a little hassle with NLz 3betting for value vs unknowns, eg merged or polorized,

Last edited by FindNameHere; 09-16-2017 at 11:55 AM.
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09-17-2017 , 02:31 AM
i hope i wasn't the spew guy :P I did lead into you on a 556 board, you flatted in position and 2b my turn lead. I had AIR teeheee
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09-18-2017 , 06:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nolpod
i hope i wasn't the spew guy :P I did lead into you on a 556 board, you flatted in position and 2b my turn lead. I had AIR teeheee
No, you're not the spew guy at all, you're the one Im looking for advice from on 10NLs, I can help with theory, line checks etc.. but im hunting in your woods for sure! You know the different game and their watering holes :P
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09-18-2017 , 06:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by nolpod
i hope i wasn't the spew guy :P I did lead into you on a 556 board, you flatted in position and 2b my turn lead. I had AIR teeheee
truth on that 556 hand, the flop lead, and turn lead I couldnt come up with a range that did that for Value very often so I raised the turn, (prob bluffing with the best hand without knowing it) but I did weight you towards more airish hands in that hand, that time.

I don't want to turn it into a battle between us, we both have kids lol, lets feed them from other peoples money hahah :P
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09-18-2017 , 05:28 PM
As promised, sorted PT4 so I can share hands and give a more visual experience,. Going to start the grind officially today , since now its tracked.,

Biggest win of tonights small session,

888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 147.8 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
BTN: 79.9 BB (VPIP: 34.48, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 31)
SB: 61.9 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
BB: 101.6 BB (VPIP: 21.28, PFR: 18.09, 3Bet Preflop: 10.34, Hands: 99)
UTG: 284 BB (VPIP: 35.71, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 16.00, Hands: 71)
Hero (MP): 132.7 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A K

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, BB raises to 12 BB, Hero raises to 132.7 BB and is all-in, fold, BB calls 89.6 BB and is all-in

Flop: (206.2 BB, 2 players) K 3 3

Turn: (206.2 BB, 2 players) 2

River: (206.2 BB, 2 players) 5

Spoiler:
BB shows Q A (One Pair, Threes)
(Pre 24%, Flop 2%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows A K (Two Pair, Kings and Threes)
(Pre 76%, Flop 98%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 194.1 BB



Had a note on villian to merge my 3bet range v him, so decided to shove for value/fe



Biggest loss of the session

888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 103.1 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
SB: 93.7 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
Hero (BB): 101.5 BB
UTG: 197.8 BB (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 3)
MP: 228.3 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 18.18, Hands: 29)
CO: 92 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 16.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q T

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (6 BB, 2 players) J 9 K
SB bets 6 BB, Hero raises to 21 BB, SB raises to 90.7 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 69.7 BB

Turn: (187.4 BB, 2 players) 5

River: (187.4 BB, 2 players) 9

Spoiler:
SB shows J 9 (Full House, Nines full of Jacks)
(Pre 36%, Flop 18%, Turn 9%)
Hero shows Q T (Straight, King High)
(Pre 64%, Flop 82%, Turn 91%)
SB wins 176.4 BB



think this one explains itself,.

BR: 283
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09-19-2017 , 06:29 AM
tldr: some leaks, thoughts etc maybe a hand. and ill stop writing book size stuff soon

So some things to keep in mind for myself, I'm writing my journey on the felt for myself, for some thoughts and how to keep good habits vs bad habits, also what those habits are.

If anyone reading this gets a bit of help or discussions start, Id be more the happier for the thread.

Leak1

One of the biggest leaks I see, and do myself is not Sizing my River Value Bets(SRVB) properly, checking behind when a bet fold would be much better since most are not raising the river as a bluff at 10NLz or otherwise. Betting a correct size to get calls by worse hands, lost value myself a few hands because of monstor under the bed syndrom.

Either checking behind when I should be betting because of THE card hitting the river (when lots of the time THE card isnt even in the range by then when thought about)

*(Think that effect is made worse by zoom variants personally, esp after a run bad session or two)

Leak2
Or betting when I should be checking, Think this leak costs less money over the long run for sure, but is a leak all the same, if Villian has proven to be at the top of his range but still has a few combo's or missed draws/bad pairs but is heavily weighted towards TPGK+ betting for THIN value when there's nothing thin to be had.

*This leak shouldnt cost as much because of the times we get folds, called by worse or snapped by better, but will cost a fortune if you start bet calling rivers just cause he MIGHT have some bluff, NO NO NO, they are rarely bluffing the river. BUT i hear, its still no, people are not bluffing your river bets,. They are trying to Value town you, its up to you not to allow it. (Which returns to checking when you should bet)

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Leak3 can be a bit tricky,

Over calling in the BB, yes we have money already invested, yes suited cards are pretty, especially when connected but we need to make enough money when we hit to make it worth our while, so things like UG opens, UG+1 Flats and we look down at XX of your drawing hands is a much more juicy prospect to over call than if CO opens, BTN calls and comes down to us, I'm only using the times there are a raiser and one other caller and when we are closing the action, The stronger the ranges of the opener and flatter the better IO we have, now I know this is all basic stuff, but remember this thread is about the journey but also helping me and you fix bad habits,

how many BB's are thrown away facing weak ranges and called by a sexy looking 87s to just c/f the flop after complete miss (if we are assuming we never bluff) or second likely to hit middle or bottom pair and peel oop and then c/f turn, or chasing draws that miss.

Stop over calling the BB auto pilot mode, and think about what ranges and how they react on flops that are good for you,. I mean QJs can at least crush AK on AKT, or AA. but 87s is more likely to be seen as set mining flops and get folds to raises, or trumped by suit.

Just a thought,


Ok Im off to spend some time with wifey, who I love so ****ing much!!!

Last edited by FindNameHere; 09-19-2017 at 06:29 AM. Reason: br 286
Grinding for fun and profit,10NLHE/10PLO to any stake I can beat. Quote
09-20-2017 , 09:15 AM
Just a graph of so far so image and stuff AND TO HOPE TO GET SOME CONVERSATION/DISCUSSION/INSULTS/THIS THREAD IS LONELY but has potential, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO SAY I WAS THERE FROM THE START. See that guy crushing Polk, Have you heard that poker player busted that English ****s teeth in (ur man from the wsop that never shut up), The guy who ****ed all of that announcers ex wives (wsop dude)
etc,, Seriously though, be cool to get some convo going

Havent been able to grind, had a few hands here and there but nothing major.

Been up and back to visit wife and baby in hospital, taking lots of time and as I get home, im mentally tired and then its not a good time for me to play at all!

Bad Habit:
Playing while tired/mental tired, just because you want volume.

Good Habit: Play as winning sessions where your reads are on point and getting good value from making less mistakes and more correct +EV choices as LONG as possible untill you know that (and BE HONEST) that A: The games have gone bad, and B: You're just too tired to make real thought out lines.



ps


I have always played normal tables for most of my poker "career" with some Zoom/Snap thrown in, but I am for sure still learning the differences good and bad that fast poker variants have. eg I'm no noob, no pro since BF but still getting used to the changes of the times a changing, just need to spend some time catching up on the felt to volume and when I've 10,000 hands to a small leak search, when I've 25k hands a more in depth and same for 50k / 100k etc.

Last edited by FindNameHere; 09-20-2017 at 09:21 AM. Reason: adding stuff
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09-21-2017 , 04:07 AM
Bankroll: 330.99$

Made a horrible call last night pure out of Snap tilt that "I can't be out drawn again can I? let me count hands, well there's two pairs (pretty much top of range i was able to beat, everything had me crushed ! C/C on river with 55 vs obvious Flush or Straight, let myself time down when I should of just near snap folded, cost 111bb or so, AND SHOULD OF RAISED TURN WAY MORE!

888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 115.7 BB (VPIP: 18.07, PFR: 15.06, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 171)
BTN: 232.7 BB (VPIP: 18.18, PFR: 13.64, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
Hero (SB): 168.1 BB
BB: 45 BB
UTG: 43.5 BB (VPIP: 17.33, PFR: 8.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 75)
MP: 100.5 BB (VPIP: 22.11, PFR: 13.68, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 98)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5 5

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 3 BB, Hero calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) K 7 5
Hero checks, BTN bets 5.2 BB, Hero calls 5.2 BB

Turn: (17.4 BB, 2 players) Q
Hero checks, BTN bets 13 BB, Hero raises to 37 BB, BTN calls 24 BB

River: (91.4 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BTN bets 68.5 BB, Hero calls 68.5 BB

Spoiler:
BTN shows 7 A (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 47%, Flop 30%, Turn 18%)
Hero shows 5 5 (Three of a Kind, Fives)
(Pre 53%, Flop 70%, Turn 82%)
BTN wins 215 BB
AND OP facepalms himself for turning himself into a station






and then this interesting 4bet bluff hand, personally think I could of made my pre bet bigger but didnt want to give too many bb's away IF we get jammed on,.

its the flop and turn im interested for opinions?


888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 20.93, PFR: 17.05, 3Bet Preflop: 5.77, Hands: 133)
SB: 155.3 BB (VPIP: 15.86, PFR: 11.03, 3Bet Preflop: 3.85, Hands: 152)
BB: 119.8 BB (VPIP: 35.14, PFR: 18.92, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 37)
UTG: 34.5 BB (VPIP: 28.13, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 32)
MP: 156.2 BB (VPIP: 22.73, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 25)
Hero (CO): 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 2 A

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN raises to 9 BB, fold, BB calls 8 BB, Hero raises to 25 BB, fold, BB calls 16 BB

Flop: (59.5 BB, 2 players) 4 2 7
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: (59.5 BB, 2 players) T
BB checks, Hero bets 30.7 BB, fold

Spoiler:
Hero wins 56 BB




Last edited by FindNameHere; 09-21-2017 at 04:28 AM. Reason: bankroll and graph
Grinding for fun and profit,10NLHE/10PLO to any stake I can beat. Quote
09-21-2017 , 03:28 PM
Biggest pot of tonights session, serious spew on his part

888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 93.1 BB (VPIP: 5.56, PFR: 1.85, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 56)
SB: 286.3 BB (VPIP: 75.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
BB: 281.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: 344.5 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 12.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 16)
MP: 126.8 BB (VPIP: 27.78, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 18)
Hero (CO): 102 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T T

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) A T 5
SB checks, Hero bets 3.5 BB, SB raises to 283.3 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 95.5 BB and is all-in

Turn: (205 BB, 2 players) 6

River: (205 BB, 2 players) J

Spoiler:
SB shows K A (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 43%, Flop 3%, Turn 0%)
Hero shows T T (Three of a Kind, Tens)
(Pre 57%, Flop 97%, Turn 100%)
Hero wins 193 BB



Graph so far

BR:353$ (not all games are tracked that I'm playing)


Tomorrow I'm going to write a small amount on whats helping me have a decent winrate at 10NLz,

and what I'm doing wrong


Love you Danielle, Fae, Chloë . Hopefully we rise rise rise to the stars (not pokerstars)
Grinding for fun and profit,10NLHE/10PLO to any stake I can beat. Quote
10-03-2017 , 05:48 AM
After doing a cashout and going over the hands played, quick post to remind myself of some poker facts for me, my truth is not going to be your's, some might over lap, some might be the same, others might say its bs. Anyway,

Donk's in small pot's are WAY different than big pots, Be careful Iso'ing people UG expecting any FE. A limp is weak, but a limp under the gun is generally tighter than people like to believe,. Raising min donk bets if you were going to CB anyway is +EV , shoving on 50ishBB stacks when they donk 1/2 pot is not! (unless? read the bit under the hand) thoughts VERY much welcome

888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.22, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 5.17, Hands: 158)
Hero (BTN): 129 BB
SB: 173.4 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
BB: 141.4 BB (VPIP: 16.54, PFR: 12.41, 3Bet Preflop: 6.38, Hands: 272)
UTG: 47.6 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 57.8 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 36)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K J

UTG calls 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 5 BB, fold

Flop: (14.5 BB, 2 players) Q 3 Q
UTG bets 7.2 BB, Hero raises to 123 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 34.4 BB and is all-in

Turn: (97.7 BB, 2 players) 6

River: (97.7 BB, 2 players) T

Spoiler:
Hero shows K J (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 46%, Flop 28%, Turn 14%)
UTG shows 7 7 (Two Pair, Queens and Sevens)
(Pre 54%, Flop 72%, Turn 86%)
UTG wins 92 BB



Not that it happens often, this was just spew and I own the spew, but only because of the action,. a limpers range UG has looked like this so far imo JT+ 22+ and rarely some SC lets say a few combo's of 76s+ but weighted more towards the first range.

(lets just for easyness sake assume hes donking all his range) later we can assume he checks the Q hands.

So vs a range of 22+ JT+ 56s+ on that board were still not even reaching 40% equity. , now lets say he folds all his non pair hands and snaps everything else. Then he should be folding around 46% of the time we shove on the flop, ..

If we take the 46% of the time he folds, and add it to the lowballed 35% equity we have vs his entire range , is the shove then +EV ? (again assuming he does donks his entire range) which we all know he doesnt and that the flop was an EASY fold,, and I'm not trying to defend my spew, just kick starting the old brain and thoughts.

Fold > Shove > Call > nothing here.
Anyone have thoughts on this one?

Plugging some leaks and starting off a new month with 300$ and no more cashouts (bought some baby stuff) but now just leaving it grow.

Last edited by FindNameHere; 10-03-2017 at 05:56 AM. Reason: The application of FE plus EV
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10-03-2017 , 09:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by FindNameHere
After doing a cashout and going over the hands played, quick post to remind myself of some poker facts for me, my truth is not going to be your's, some might over lap, some might be the same, others might say its bs. Anyway,

Donk's in small pot's are WAY different than big pots, Be careful Iso'ing people UG expecting any FE. A limp is weak, but a limp under the gun is generally tighter than people like to believe,. Raising min donk bets if you were going to CB anyway is +EV , shoving on 50ishBB stacks when they donk 1/2 pot is not! (unless? read the bit under the hand) thoughts VERY much welcome

888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) FAST - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 29.22, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 5.17, Hands: 158)
Hero (BTN): 129 BB
SB: 173.4 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 21.43, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 14)
BB: 141.4 BB (VPIP: 16.54, PFR: 12.41, 3Bet Preflop: 6.38, Hands: 272)
UTG: 47.6 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: 57.8 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 36)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K J

UTG calls 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB, fold, Hero raises to 6 BB, fold, fold, UTG calls 5 BB, fold

Flop: (14.5 BB, 2 players) Q 3 Q
UTG bets 7.2 BB, Hero raises to 123 BB and is all-in, UTG calls 34.4 BB and is all-in

Turn: (97.7 BB, 2 players) 6

River: (97.7 BB, 2 players) T

Spoiler:
Hero shows K J (One Pair, Queens)
(Pre 46%, Flop 28%, Turn 14%)
UTG shows 7 7 (Two Pair, Queens and Sevens)
(Pre 54%, Flop 72%, Turn 86%)
UTG wins 92 BB



Not that it happens often, this was just spew and I own the spew, but only because of the action,. a limpers range UG has looked like this so far imo JT+ 22+ and rarely some SC lets say a few combo's of 76s+ but weighted more towards the first range.

(lets just for easyness sake assume hes donking all his range) later we can assume he checks the Q hands.

So vs a range of 22+ JT+ 56s+ on that board were still not even reaching 40% equity. , now lets say he folds all his non pair hands and snaps everything else. Then he should be folding around 46% of the time we shove on the flop, ..

If we take the 46% of the time he folds, and add it to the lowballed 35% equity we have vs his entire range , is the shove then +EV ? (again assuming he does donks his entire range) which we all know he doesnt and that the flop was an EASY fold,, and I'm not trying to defend my spew, just kick starting the old brain and thoughts.

Fold > Shove > Call > nothing here.
Anyone have thoughts on this one?

Plugging some leaks and starting off a new month with 300$ and no more cashouts (bought some baby stuff) but now just leaving it grow.
bymp for thoughts on this post
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