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11-09-2018 , 07:58 AM
Hey everyone,

My screen name is BetBetMuck, i'm 26 from Italy and i'm coming back to online poker after a long break.

Let me tell you how i got here, i'll try to be as brief as I can.

I started playing at the micros back in 2013 on few italian rooms, back then i made all the wrong choices. The worst possible mistake in my opinion was mass-grinding the microstakes (NL20€ and NL30€) 16x mostly beacause I had an 80% rakeback deal (inlcuding weekly leaderboards and bonuses) instead of focusing on learning and move up the stakes as quickly as I could.
I was playing part-time while getting a degree in Economics at the University in Milan, I wasn't as focused and did not have the drive to be successful in either of those things, so I decided to quit poker even if it was somewhat profitable (i had few hundreds k of hands on my db at 2bb/100 plus the rakeback).

Now for whatever reason I decided to see how the online poker streets have changed and I started something along the lines of a bankroll challenge: I created an account on 888 poker in the italian room and starting with the 8€ bonus, with no deposit I took my 4 buyins at the nl2.

My rules are simple: when i get 20 buyins for the next stake I level up, when I fall below 17 buyins for the level I'm playing I level down.

So far I have played 45k hands among NL2, NL5 and NL10 and I find myself at 400€ ready to smash the NL20 streets.

I will post here any updates in the hope that I can learn something from whoever will feel like writing in these pages. Comments and suggestions are most welcome!

Ciao!

BetBetMuck
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11-10-2018 , 05:16 AM
This is the graph and some of the stats broke down by stakes.
I just had the first session of this challenge at NL20.

Bankroll currently at 470€

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11-10-2018 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by BetBetMuck
This is the graph and some of the stats broke down by stakes.
I just had the first session of this challenge at NL20.

Bankroll currently at 470€

Impressive start man!

Subbed!
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11-11-2018 , 06:20 AM
So far so good, at least result-wise.

I'm not sure I'm doing the best job ever at the river: I feel like I tend to call down too much (river call efficiency currently under 1) and i should try to valuebet better (I hate when people check behind me with strong hands that in my mind they should valuebet while I sit on my failed attempt to check-raise)

This is my latest session at NL20 together with its stats (If someone cares)



I've been asking myself how to report the results: one option could be to make a post every 5-10k hands or when moving up or down the stakes, this way the upside is that graphs and stats would be more relevant, but due to the slow action on the room i'm currently playing that could mean one update every week (don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing); other option could be to post more frequently like a daily update and post the results of the sessions and watching closely the bankroll evolution.

If someone feels like sharing an opinion on the matter it would be much appreciated.

Anyway, this is the graph and stats so far at the NL20 since the level up:



Bankroll currently at 535€

Let me know what you think of it.

Ciao!
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11-11-2018 , 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by BetBetMuck
So far so good, at least result-wise.

I'm not sure I'm doing the best job ever at the river: I feel like I tend to call down too much (river call efficiency currently under 1) and i should try to valuebet better (I hate when people check behind me with strong hands that in my mind they should valuebet while I sit on my failed attempt to check-raise)

This is my latest session at NL20 together with its stats (If someone cares)



I've been asking myself how to report the results: one option could be to make a post every 5-10k hands or when moving up or down the stakes, this way the upside is that graphs and stats would be more relevant, but due to the slow action on the room i'm currently playing that could mean one update every week (don't know if it's a good thing or a bad thing); other option could be to post more frequently like a daily update and post the results of the sessions and watching closely the bankroll evolution.

If someone feels like sharing an opinion on the matter it would be much appreciated.

Anyway, this is the graph and stats so far at the NL20 since the level up:



Bankroll currently at 535€

Let me know what you think of it.

Ciao!
In my opinion we update the thread regularly because it is a fun thing to do. It is fun to check the threads everyday to see how it goes.

I think updating every day with a graph of how the day went and then include an "all time" graph once in a while, if it is for all time or just for the month or the week doesn´t matter.

Obviously the "current day" graph does not always show the correct results due to variance and stuff but my point is that we upload the graph for other reasons than that. Pictures is fun and to keep the interest up from the person who is reading.

Also writing a few lines of how the day went could also be fun to read.
Stuff that is not hand history.
How did you deal with your emotions?
Did you do anything better today than you did yesterday?
Did you do anything worse today that made you lose money, tilting, not focusing enough etc.
What goals do you have for next month?

I think that there is a lot we can do with our threads that can keep the interest up
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11-12-2018 , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by mrgbg94
In my opinion we update the thread regularly because it is a fun thing to do. It is fun to check the threads everyday to see how it goes.

I think updating every day with a graph of how the day went and then include an "all time" graph once in a while, if it is for all time or just for the month or the week doesn´t matter.

Obviously the "current day" graph does not always show the correct results due to variance and stuff but my point is that we upload the graph for other reasons than that. Pictures is fun and to keep the interest up from the person who is reading.

Also writing a few lines of how the day went could also be fun to read.
Stuff that is not hand history.
How did you deal with your emotions?
Did you do anything better today than you did yesterday?
Did you do anything worse today that made you lose money, tilting, not focusing enough etc.
What goals do you have for next month?

I think that there is a lot we can do with our threads that can keep the interest up

Thanks for the feedback!


Nothing to report these couple days, i'm pretty muck breaking even, a little bit of running above ev.

I see my flop cbet success is quite low, partly because of the field, partly because of my sizing (which is most of the time small). Probably i should lower a little bit the flop cbet frequency (right now is somewhat close to 90%).
Overall i'm ok with how i'm doing, probably with less call-mucking and improving valuebets i'll try to take that blue line where it should be (assuming the red line close to break even).



As of now the Bankroll is at 605€, considering the fact that it started from 8€ I honestly cannot complain.

Ciao!
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11-12-2018 , 07:51 PM
GL man, I'll be following!

Just wanted to point out that most of your stats from the 3,7k hand sample look quite exploitable (you probably know which ones). You should be careful about that when moving up, or you're gonna have problems with this strat at 50nl+ and probably even at 20nl, once regs get some sample on you.
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11-14-2018 , 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by ZKesic
GL man, I'll be following!

Just wanted to point out that most of your stats from the 3,7k hand sample look quite exploitable (you probably know which ones). You should be careful about that when moving up, or you're gonna have problems with this strat at 50nl+ and probably even at 20nl, once regs get some sample on you.
Thanks for pointing it out, I am still trying to find what works out best against all the different types of players. Anyway, since I'm playing the micros, the stats that result from playing in this player pool are most likely to be exploitable. I mean, I am definetly not looking to be balanced or play my range vs their ranges, what I have been trying to do since the start of this challenge is to play every time my specific hand vs their ranges. I try to avoid autopilot-like plays especially on the turn and on the river.
So far I am having fun and it looks to be going ok.
I see a slight difference between nl20 and nl5-10 but overall it looks very much the same.
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11-14-2018 , 06:29 AM


Here is yesterday's grind, not very much to say, except for the first few hundreds hands where I seemed to call muck quite often.
I am very happy with the way I played in the other portion of the session.
Unfortunately sometimes you just fall on the wrong side of the set over set and you can do nothing about it.

Anyway, If some of you have posted your bankroll challenge thread let me know, i'll surely pay a visit!



From 8€ to 8,888€ cash game bankroll challenge update:

-Bankroll counter 585€
-Hands counter: 54,027


Ciao!
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11-14-2018 , 08:06 AM
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11-14-2018 , 06:05 PM
Today was quite challenging, even though I played many hours, due to the absence of action in this room (888.it) and the lack of player I managed to play only 2.5k hands.

2.5k is not below the average of my daily grinds but, since I could not open more than 4/5 tables simultaneously, in order to reach that amount of hands I had to play all day basically.

With the exeption of maybe 45 minutes later in the evening the action is so slow that is difficult to reach the maximum amount of tables allowed by 888.it.

Yes, you head it right, on this room you cannot multitable more than 6x.

Anyway, not being able to grind a decent number of hand per hour feels particularly bad when you run several stacks under ev in such a small sample.

On the other hand when playing so few tables you can focus way more and learn a lot more than usual.

Enough with the whining, I was lucky enough to run a good session tonight after the rough time of the afternoon, here is the graph of the day.



From the 8€ registration free bonus to 8,888€ cash game bankroll challenge update:

-Bankroll counter 667€
-Hands counter: 56,455


Ciao!
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11-16-2018 , 05:09 AM


On top you have yesterday's graph, the other one is all hands at NL20.

I've been making some slight changes in the game in the last couple sessions and in fact you see the non showdown dropping quite significalntly. If it wasn't for the run bad in the showdowns you'd see the blu line going way steeper.
I might keep the changes and see if the green line follows the ev.

Bankroll counter: 608€
Hands counter: 58,694

Ciao!
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