I see you got some responses to this already!

From my point of view, what I really meant was it'd be cool to see maybe one pot from each session (or previous sessions..it doesn't matter) where you took a line that you think most smaller stakes grinders wouldn't think of. In a previous post you started talking about some of the differences between limits as you move up so anything that illustrates stuff like that would be awesome

Enjoy reading your thread a lot. A lot of great info man, I've got a few questions if you don't mind.

1) I live in London myself and £500k a year will lead a damn comfortable life here. How much of your winnings do you take out for expenditure and how much do you keep in your bankroll strictly for poker?

2) How fast did you move up through the micro to high stakes from when you first started playing poker?

3) During your journey to playing at the highest stakes on those sites, what has helped you the most for improving your game? I noticed you said that you don't read forums and didn't read any books so I'm intrigued as to how you improved so quickly!

Thanks and keep crushing man

Ok - I'll be thinking of a line I take which is imo quite unique to the way I play and I'll post it here at the end of today's play with my thoughts behind why I took the line etc. I'll bare this in mind for future days also.

Thanks! Well I take out money on a regular basis not so much for expenditure as for example my withdrawals are always around £3-5,000 and one of these a month would be more than enough for just going out stuff/food/car expenses etc. It's more of a way (from my dads advice) of showing a bank that I have an ongoing flow of income into my bank from the gambling sites so will make it alot easier when (if) I get a mortgage with a house. I don't really know anything about it tbh, so I'm just following his advice. If i have a downswing on one site, and and upswing on another - I'll cash out one site a lot more than I normally would, and deposit money into the one which I ran bad on. As for money strictly for poker - I guess I just consider all of it my 'bankroll'.

When I first started playing it took me quite a long time. I was just playing my cards, had no understanding of the game tbh. The concepts of representing scare cards, overbetting/shoving turns or rivers, the importance of playing in position, floating...etc had no meaning to me. So without understanding these and the reasons for doing them, then I think it would have been hard to move up - I played Nl50 for like 2 years, NL100-200 for 1 year, then when I got to NL400 I think it was the time when it all clicked kinda thing and I've not looked back since. As I mentioned due to my donk sports/roulette habbit in Jan this year, I had £5k to my name. I've worked that up on poker from NL200 to now NL5k in just 6 months. So basically, the time scale on which you move up all depends on your understanding of the game. 5 years ago it would have taken me 2-3 years. Now it would take 2-3 months if I played everyday to go from Nl200 to Nl5k.

I think I just always question why people do stuff. What are they thinking. The hand reading ability will improve the more hands you play. But yeah, always question what the other person is thinking. Be aggressive also. But be aggressive with a reason behind it, don't just be aggressive to be aggressive.

I'll keep this brief, i work part time for a professional sports bettor who lives in the UK, we had to have a meeting at the bank for me to get a bank card attached to one of his accounts. The bank manager told him if he needed any sized mortgage to get directly in touch- presumably capped at around £2m as he earns a similar amount a year to you. The bank manager directly mentioned the amount of inflow into his account, so regular withdrawals will definitely be a major positive if you ever need to consider a mortgage.

Do you mean raise since your in position (not check raise) or are you floating flop cbets when out of position which have alot of backdoor outs? If im out of position im usually just c/r the flop with hands containing a large number of backdoor outs. Though depending on board texture/ opponent i think both can be fine.


I don't follow what your saying in the bold. I understand your saying you would float A99 in a 3bet pot alot. Then you bet the turn or river depending on opponents tendancies. But the next part of what your saying really loses me. Are you saying if you floated the flop and bet the turn on A995Q you would bet the river (because the best villian can hope for is a split?) but if the board ran out A9953 you might bet your float on the turn but give up on that river?

I assume your floating alot of Axx boards in general too be it 3bet or non 3bet pots?

Btw do you play on microgaming? I play 2/4 + 3/6 + 5/10 there.

1. Not sure if I agree with this. Do you really think people 4bet/fold hands like AJ bvb? I tend to think they either just flat them in position or 4bet/call.

2. Don't you think he calls hands like A7s and similar preflop? Or do you think he checks them 100% on the turn? Just curious

Also, how much, and on what boards, do you like to bet/bet/shove, both in singleraised and 3bet pots, as a bluff. Very generic question, I know, but any in particular?

glgl

Nah I mean check raising out of position, so floating out of position. Example - I am dealt 78hh in the small blind. It's folded around to the dealer who raises (say we are playing a 10/20 game) to 50. Mostly I'd 3bet here to like 160-170 but if i choose to call and the BB folds... We see a flop - Let's say it comes down Qc 6h 2d. I check, id say the button would be betting here a vast majority of the time. I could easily call on this dry flop. If the turn came down any 5, any 9 or any heart, so anyone of 15 cards - I could easily check raise here, especially if I think the player is one to notoriously double barrel here. If it goes check check on the turn, i'd think most of the time he would be betting a Q+ on the turn so i could easily take it down with a bet on the river.

Ok so if I had a pocket pair 44-88. I could call the flop and see what the villain does on the turn... If he checked, I would check back. If he then checked the river, I would be checking back again...Why would I bet when i have showdown value? I wouldn't. So, if it came down A993Q I would be calling the flop with 88 and checking behind on later streets. If i floated the flop with nothing, I would have to bet to get him to fold his possibly better nothing than me, maybe he has K high and i'd have to bet to win the pot.

If I did have a hand like A3 suited on the A99 board - I would obviously call the flop. I would check behind the turn for pot control etc, but when a high card like J/Q/K comes down, I would bet here (and the villain knows I would bet) my A3 and he could fold his for example KQ even though the Q got there. He knows I would check behind my low pocket pairs so if i'm betting the river I either have nothing (I floated the flop) or i have an ace. I generally when floating the flop in position like to check behind on the turn to avoid getting CR and most regs these days will come out betting again on the river to maybe get value from low pp's or whatever. If they check again, then I'd 100% be betting the river. The thing is, if I had A3 on the A994Q board - I am pretty 99%+ certain I wouldn't be getting check raised on the river... Simply because the villain, if he flopped the 9 or had AK/AQ he would be betting on every street to get paid off by (if he had the 9) the ace, or (if he had AK/AQ) a weaker ace.

Yeah I do float a lot of Axx board, regardless of whether it's a 3bet pot or not.

I rarely play on microgaming.

I hardly ever see others (or do it myself) 4bet call AJ. I see it more of a hand of 4bet folding (or just calling a 3bet) tbh. I'll always get AQ in though vs a typical LAG reg.

Tbh if i held the A7 i would be checking back on the turn and then calling a river. I wouldn't be betting then calling a shove with ace rag.

I'll be more likely to be bet bet shoving in 3bet pots than in single raised pots. If there are draws out there that the villain could have who I know doesn't raise draws on flop then if they miss i'll be barreling river. If it comes down like 10 7 5 4 K i'll be barreling the river , likewise if the river was the A.

Ty, you too.

Ok - A hand where I bluff-raised the river.

Thought process:

Preflop: He opened UTG so i flat called. If he'd opened cutoff/dealer I would be 3betting this hand, but usually UTG is a lot stronger and for a hand like K10hh where I can flop well i'd like to see a flop vs his perhaps monster hand instead of face a 4bet.

Flop: He checks, so ofc I'm going to be betting here. Most regs would be betting Q+ here on the drawy board and also betting air so when he checks I'm happy to take control of the pot by betting. Even if he is pot controlling with 77-88-99 I have still outs and can take it down with another barrel/if a scare card comes.

Turn: He calls so looking like 88/99 or Q10/QJ kinda hand. So i checked back to see a river.

River: He came out firing, Imo this is the kinda bet where you bet fold the river. So, with his 100 bet, I can easily raise this representing the flush. (If he had a flushdraw on the flop/turn he would be betting it). Only hands i was worried about was 77 and the A6/56 hand calling not believing me. So yeah I raised thinking I could take it down the vast majority of the time.

Just read the whole thread,very good sir.

I'm a mid stakes reg, that doesnt use hud's or training video's also.
I thought i was just being a lazy tard,or behind the times,great so see other players the same.
Fwiw i hope the sites atually ban all poker software sometime.

You tell other regs and they dont believe you lol.

Anyway,im from the uk,but live abroad now.Few questions...

1.What bank roll management rules do you use?

2.What Euro sites exactly do you use?( i use boss mostly,and have done for about 5 years,do you recommend any other's?)

3.Does playing live for a bit,affect you online game afterwards?
ive just come back from a holiday back to the uk,played some live stuff,and my online game has suffered as a result!
Do you get this also?

Cheer's if you can find 5 mins to answer.
Good luck with the goal m8.

Ok this is vs my friend IRL so there is obviously history and metagame going on.

This hand I floated the flop, barreled the turn and over-shoved the river.

Thought process:

Preflop:
Ok I elected to call again, could have easily 3bet here but the hand plays so well post flop and also my mate who was the original raiser knows my 3bet % is high and therefore I could easily be faced with a 4bet and having to fold my hand. Plus there was a fish in between us who I could easily stack him if I flop well.

Flop: I completely float it, with position, knowing that I can hit a straight or flush draw (or both) as I did on the turn. His cbet on the flop % is probably around 80% aswell so I know he is doing this with pretty much anything. A bet on the turn I could easily take him off his hand.

Turn: Binked a magic card. Jack of hearts giving me a straight and flush draw, obviously I bet it. I think the only hands he is checkraising me with here AJ and sets - so very little.

River: I missed. When he calls me on this double straight and double flush draw board I know he didn't have a set or 2pair. Simply because he would obviously be raising the turn to get it in and not let me catch any draws for cheap.

So knowing he had just AQ/AK I thought I could successfully overbet shove this river (despite both flushes missing) - one straight got there. Also, I could easily have AJ and aces up which I would overshove also. Tbh all 2pairs I'd overshove here. Unfortunately I was called by just AQ.

We've definitely played with each other then

1) 100 buy-ins minimum. I think I need at least 100 simply because I can have big swings daily, the looser and more aggressive your playing style is. If i played Tag then probably would only need 40-50. If i took a shot at say Nl10k i'd still want like 25 buyins, which I know some people use for BRM.

2) Ongame/Ipoker mostly, boss probably 3rd. Micro/Party/888 are then the others but don't really like software there though.

3) Yeah I went Vegas this summer for 3 weeks, came back and lost for first 8-9 sessions! Dunno why, I thought i'd be better for it, getting a break etc.

Cheers mate u2

Ok I think this hand is a good example of pot control and at the same time bluff catching.

Thought process:
Preflop: 3bet him here as he's obviously minraising anything from the dealer. He called so I was going to be betting every flop.

Flop: A draw heavy board, but he could easily have a folding hand so whatever, lets put him to the test.

Turn: He flat called basically he could have anything... A jack, a 10, 89 kinda hand, KQ, A9 or floats/hearts. I think the hearts is rare though as most would raise here with that. I checked, for pot control, knowing I'd see him check even a Jack there most of the time scared of getting checkraised.

River: 5 of hearts - A good card imo - especially when he only bets 300 on the river. This gave away that he didn't have a flush. He's definitely not a good enough reg to be betting the J for value here so it lead for me to conclude that he had missed a straight with either a KQ or 9x hand, trying to bet me off like an Ace high kinda hand cheaply.

Sick line by the old man. Keep listening to him and you'll go far!

I would reward him with a buy to let property for retirement income which the sooner ya buy the sooner he'll start to yield results from!! My old man took a similar line when i was like 19 making me buy my gaff and rent it out... worked a treat for me and helped me get on the ladder with my own dollar... so them old men do have their uses!!!

3 things:

1) In the KhTh hand where you bet flop, check turn and bluff raise the river, wouldnt you bet the turn with all your flush draws especially since the turn completed a lot of 2prs/ straights? Therefore if i was villian I would be uber suspicious here especially against an aggressive reg taking this line. Do you find this line works alot?

2) The KTo hand where you 3bet preflop. You said you checked the turn. According to your HH you bet the turn!

3) If you want to get a morgage in the UK, you need a taxable income otherwise banks wont give you a morgage. (I doubt you want to pay taxes on your winnings since we dont have to in the uk!) Im buying a house atm in southampton so just gone through it all.

Yeah you are right. But if i'm being honest this reg is one of the worst - prob breaks even in the long run. I don't think he would think it through properly. Just think - Oh i've been raised on the river with a flush out there, must be flush. But yeah actually if i had the flush i'd be betting the turn in the main.

Oh yeah so I did. Betting to make him pay for his draws then, knowing he would check behind a jack on the river anyway.

First i've heard about that. If i just pay it off all at once next year then I dont think it would be a problem?

Day 11 (yesterday):
Profit: + £5,866

Day 12:
Profit: + £1,942

Today I've finished with playing. I played pretty bad tbh, I think maybe my worst (apart from Day 1), never really got going and had distractions throughout the day. Got a profit for the day which i'm very happy with as at one point I was down nearly £6,000.

Profit after Day 12: + £36,332

What about when there are 6 players?

Also what are you 3bet stats when there are 6, 5, 4, 3, 2 players?

What is THE most important thing you do which other regs dont do well enough that makes you so good in your opinion?

Thanks!

Your red line is so so so sick.

Just a quick question, obviously you're used to it now, but how do you handle the software on IPoker etc? I find it's just so slow to multitable on that it tilts me.

VP$IP/PFR when there are 6 players: 26.9/21.4

3bet stats when there are:
2 players: 31%
3 players: 21.3%
4 players: 14.4%
5 players: 11.8%
6 players: 9.3%

Win pots without seeing a showdown

And i'm not 'so good' - there are better players than me on the tables I play!


I find it fine after using it over time. Can't say I didn't like it either at the start, I just didn't like microgaming or party much.

I'm confused by your preflop reasoning here but you have had more succes than me so I need to ask

With your KThh, I would've thought that this would be more of a 3b v UTG and a flat v CO opens. I thought this because v his utg range (KJ<AT<22<) you are dominated by a lot of his range, and can't feel comfortable if he dubs on T439 or K72Q (or can you?). Combine this with the fact that you have a K blocker to his continuing range v 3bets, and by flatting you invite squeezes, I can see more benefit to 3b bluffing with this hand, unless people opening 20%< from UTG in these games.

Also, if your on the BTN facing his CO open, by flatting you dominate a lot of his range, whereas by 3b here you build the pot v only hands that dominate yours and fold out the weaker parts of his range that you would like to play v IP. I can think of better/trashier hands to 3b bluff with here consdiering this is the #1 spot for 3b light (ie Ax so then we can 5b jam some times if he does 4b).

Thoughts? Am I looking at it the wrong way?

Thanks again

With regards to the bold, what makes you think they are better than you? Also what do you look for to find a player that is 'worse' than you?
When would you leave a table?
Do you stay at a table full of good regs?
Or are you always hunting for players you can exploit across all sites?
If you had to start from ZERO again, as in not a pot to piss in. What would you do?

Awesome that you are doing this, I expect this thread to turn out epic!

if i was villain, i would play river the same way. its nice to hear your thought process on the hand. if i got raised on river i would always put them on a flush draw or a full house typehand trying to get value from my Qx or small PP

do you think we could double barell because he is unlikely to have a Q because he didnt CB?
besides i really like the bluff raise because it looks so much like a flush or boat/trips

I hope you reach your goal, also if you wouldn't mind sharing some of your degen gambling stories there's a great thread on that issue here: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...tories-447948/

godspeed