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12-21-2010 , 02:23 PM
Background:

I've been playing poker for about 2.5 years and am a slightly above break even player. I enjoy poker as it 'gets my mind off things', such as work etc and know it is never going to pay the bills for me. I enjoy it, as well as the challenge to improve.

I don't have my stats on this computer, but I'm running about +20% ROI on the $1.10 - 45 mans over about 1,300 games, and -20% on the $3.25 - 45 mans over only about 250 games (small sample).

Current roll is about $170.

Aim for the end of 2011 is to reach $1,000 and be playing the $12 SNGs. I can only play about 30 SNG per week (1,560 for the year) due to work restraints . I work on the following BRM:

Over $200 move up to $3.25 (move back down to $1.10 if I drop below $170)
Over $500 move up to $6.50 (move back down to $3.25 if I drop below $400)
Over $1,000 move up to $12 (move back down to $6.50 if I drop below $850)

I think (and I'm willing to take feed back) I can achieve the following ROIs:

$1.10 - ROI - 20%
$3.25 - ROI - 15%
$6.50 - ROI - 10%

which will mean theoretically I will achieve it in just over 1,500 games.

I'm happy to listen to peoples thoughts about what is achievable, as it will all help me.

I've also purchased PT3 to help in my quest.

Thanks!

fidstar
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12-21-2010 , 03:35 PM
how many tables are you playing at the same time?
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12-21-2010 , 03:56 PM
playing 6
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12-21-2010 , 04:36 PM
i have a feeling without a good rush you will bounce back and forth between the 1s and the 3s, id rather just keep grinding the 1s for a while, maybe add some more tables and move up around 400$, but drop down when you hit 170$ (hopefully wont), that way some everyday 10-20BI swings wont get around your head easily imo

gl!!
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12-21-2010 , 06:09 PM
gl nothing wrong with (maybe) bouncing around if you're OK with it imo

played ~1800 $3s and $6 at the start of the year and they were definitely beatable for your target rois, don't know if they are tougher now
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12-21-2010 , 06:32 PM
after writing this I went on a 12 game no cash run (obviously happens all the time in 45s but still funny).

Heres a few hands that shows that the $1.10 should be beatable!

Nice fold by the big blind...

PokerStars - $1+$0.10|600/1200 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

MP: 1,405.00
Hero (MP+1): 13,145.00
CO: 17,345.00
BTN: 4,240.00
SB: 4,465.00
BB: 11,195.00
UTG: 10,290.00
UTG+1: 5,415.00

MP posts ante 75.00, Hero posts ante 75.00, CO posts ante 75.00, BTN posts ante 75.00, SB posts ante 75.00, BB posts ante 75.00, UTG posts ante 75.00, UTG+1 posts ante 75.00, SB posts SB 600.00, BB posts BB 1,200.00

Pre Flop: (2400.00) Hero has T 4

fold, fold, MP raises to 1,330.00 and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold

MP wins 3,600.00

Nice fold to my re-raise when getting 3.5 to 1 and I'm desperate...

PokerStars - $1+$0.10|300/600 NL (9 max) - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

UTG+1: 1,935.00
MP: 4,310.00
CO: 3,995.00
BTN: 10,600.00
SB: 3,105.00
Hero (BB): 3,060.00
UTG: 5,790.00

UTG+1 posts ante 50.00, MP posts ante 50.00, CO posts ante 50.00, BTN posts ante 50.00, SB posts ante 50.00, Hero posts ante 50.00, UTG posts ante 50.00, SB posts SB 300.00, Hero posts BB 600.00

Pre Flop: (1250.00) Hero has A 8

fold, fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to 1,800.00, fold, Hero raises to 3,010.00 and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 4,250.00
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12-21-2010 , 06:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by HorvatH
i have a feeling without a good rush you will bounce back and forth between the 1s and the 3s, id rather just keep grinding the 1s for a while, maybe add some more tables and move up around 400$, but drop down when you hit 170$ (hopefully wont), that way some everyday 10-20BI swings wont get around your head easily imo

gl!!
thanks!

I don't mind bouncing around. Even though my ROI was different between the 1s and the 3s, I didn't find a lot of difference in the skill levels (I think the difference is purely I didn't have a large volume in the 3s).
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12-22-2010 , 06:46 AM
slow start. Twice bubbled...

BR - Start - $165.70

24 No - $1.10 - 45 man - $26.40
Prizes - $17

BR - Finish - $156.30
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12-22-2010 , 10:26 AM
another session...

BR - Start - $156.30

10No - $1.10 - 45 man - $11
Prizes - $10

BR Finish - $155.30
ROI to date - minus 28%

Thats it for the year. Off on a holiday as of Friday. Hope everyone has a great X-Mas!
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01-02-2011 , 12:31 PM
Back into it for the new year. A couple of small sessions combined below. Good start to the year.

BR - Start of session - $155.30

20No - $1.10 - 45 man - $22.00 invested
Prizes - $43

BR Finish of session - $176.30
ROI to date - positive 16% (54 No games)

I seem to have finishing second sorted out. If only I could get a couple of firsts. I've had 11 second place finishes in the last month without a first! Might need to improve my heads up play.
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01-04-2011 , 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fidstar
Back into it for the new year. A couple of small sessions combined below. Good start to the year.

BR - Start of session - $155.30

20No - $1.10 - 45 man - $22.00 invested
Prizes - $43

BR Finish of session - $176.30
ROI to date - positive 16% (54 No games)

I seem to have finishing second sorted out. If only I could get a couple of firsts. I've had 11 second place finishes in the last month without a first! Might need to improve my heads up play.
Its easy heads up especially as blinds are high like 600/1200 or 800/1600 or 1500/3000. Just type in google magical word SAGE (Sit & Go End Game system), it improved my game a lot i was always placing second (not good but not too bad...). Hope that helps
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01-04-2011 , 01:03 PM
Hey, I'm a micro 45'er myself (see my new challenge post: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...2011-a-951515/) so I'm interested in your challenge.

Please take this as constructive feedback but you might consider taking some time to really examine your game at the $1.10's. You should be able to beat that level for much higher than 20%. Given how much tougher things are at the $3's and $6's (just read some of the 45-turbo thread in the MTT Community forum), you're going to have a very hard time making money at those levels if you can't do better than 20% ROI at the $1's.

My sample is admittedly much smaller, so take this with a big grain of salt, but my overall ROI at $1.10 is roughly 50% over ~350 tournies. I just returned to these after a hiatus of about 6 months and I've been killing them since I returned. Maybe I'm headed for a big crash in my ROI but 20% seems way too low.
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01-04-2011 , 02:22 PM
gl man
goal sounds doable
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01-04-2011 , 02:25 PM
Definitely possible. Best of luck.
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01-04-2011 , 03:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmbreslin
Hey, I'm a micro 45'er myself (see my new challenge post: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...2011-a-951515/) so I'm interested in your challenge.

Please take this as constructive feedback but you might consider taking some time to really examine your game at the $1.10's. You should be able to beat that level for much higher than 20%. Given how much tougher things are at the $3's and $6's (just read some of the 45-turbo thread in the MTT Community forum), you're going to have a very hard time making money at those levels if you can't do better than 20% ROI at the $1's.

My sample is admittedly much smaller, so take this with a big grain of salt, but my overall ROI at $1.10 is roughly 50% over ~350 tournies. I just returned to these after a hiatus of about 6 months and I've been killing them since I returned. Maybe I'm headed for a big crash in my ROI but 20% seems way too low.
Thanks for the feedback. Congrats on the 50% ROI. I'll keep an eye on your thread to see if it is sustainable (I hope it is!). I know I've had runs over a few hundred games where I have had over 40%. I've also had losing runs over a few hundred

I know my game needs work and the 2p2 forums are the best place to get it.
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01-04-2011 , 03:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Martizzo
Its easy heads up especially as blinds are high like 600/1200 or 800/1600 or 1500/3000. Just type in google magical word SAGE (Sit & Go End Game system), it improved my game a lot i was always placing second (not good but not too bad...). Hope that helps
Thanks. Will do some research! Before this run I was running like 50/50 firsts and seconds, so hopefully just a bad run, as I remember at least 3 of them where I was the larger stack, all in pre-flop with the favorite hand (that's Poker!).
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01-04-2011 , 07:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmbreslin
Hey, I'm a micro 45'er myself (see my new challenge post: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...2011-a-951515/) so I'm interested in your challenge.

Please take this as constructive feedback but you might consider taking some time to really examine your game at the $1.10's. You should be able to beat that level for much higher than 20%. Given how much tougher things are at the $3's and $6's (just read some of the 45-turbo thread in the MTT Community forum), you're going to have a very hard time making money at those levels if you can't do better than 20% ROI at the $1's.

My sample is admittedly much smaller, so take this with a big grain of salt, but my overall ROI at $1.10 is roughly 50% over ~350 tournies. I just returned to these after a hiatus of about 6 months and I've been killing them since I returned. Maybe I'm headed for a big crash in my ROI but 20% seems way too low.
I'm also starting to play those 45 man turbo, can you please link me to those threads? Ty
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01-04-2011 , 09:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fidstar
Thanks for the feedback. Congrats on the 50% ROI. I'll keep an eye on your thread to see if it is sustainable (I hope it is!). I know I've had runs over a few hundred games where I have had over 40%. I've also had losing runs over a few hundred

I know my game needs work and the 2p2 forums are the best place to get it.
I do wish you luck. What do you say we resolve to support one another in our related challenges? We could use our threads to post strategies and specific hands.
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01-04-2011 , 09:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by narliza
I'm also starting to play those 45 man turbo, can you please link me to those threads? Ty
Just do a search for "45 turbo" in the MTT Community forum. It's usually right there on the first page.
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01-04-2011 , 09:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by fidstar
Thanks. Will do some research! Before this run I was running like 50/50 firsts and seconds, so hopefully just a bad run, as I remember at least 3 of them where I was the larger stack, all in pre-flop with the favorite hand (that's Poker!).
SAGE is absolutely crucial to know (even if you don't follow it 100%) because one or both of you will always be shortstacked at the end of these. SAGE will open your eyes to how widely you should be shoving and calling at that point.
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01-05-2011 , 05:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jmbreslin
I do wish you luck. What do you say we resolve to support one another in our related challenges? We could use our threads to post strategies and specific hands.
sounds like a good idea. Now off to the virtual felt!
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01-16-2011 , 02:16 AM
haven't up dated on this for a while (And I'm sure you are all losing sleep over it!)

Since last post...

BR - Start of session - $176.30

77No - $1.10 - 45 man - $84.70 invested
Prizes - $75

BR Finish of session - $166.60
ROI to date - positive 1% (131 No games)

Not bad considering at one stage in the 77 games played above I was down $34.
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01-17-2011 , 01:15 PM
Keep working. Might be worth taking a look at your cashes to review the distribution. Too many 5-7th place finishes will kill your ROI in these. You need to make sure that when you do cash, you have a reasonable number of deep finishes.
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01-30-2011 , 07:18 AM
slightly back on track

BR - Start of session - $166.60

20No - $1.10 - 45 man - $22.00 invested
Prizes - $32

BR Finish of session - $176.60
ROI to date - positive 7% (151 No games)

Finally winning some flips!
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02-01-2011 , 07:18 AM
getting there (I just need to tell myself 'keep it simple and I can beat these games')

BR - Start - $165.70
BR - Start of session - $176.60

6No - $1.10 - 45 man - $6.60 invested
Prizes - $28

BR Finish of session - $198
ROI to date - positive 19% (157 No games)
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