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Old 04-14-2018, 11:28 AM   #51
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Re: 4-Month Grind: 100k Challenge

Tonight's Session:
12:03 5-500 Spread +3460

The results were good -- I ran good in the two very big (3k+) pots I played. But I made quite a few mistakes today. Got bluffed out of three pots where the opponents showed cards, one on the turn and two on the river. Played one flopped set too impulsively and didn't get as much value as I should have from an overpair. Turned a straight against a drunk maniac and played it way too fast when he c/r the turn.

Today's session was a good reminder of a few things:

1. Patience is golden. For the first 8 hours or so, I felt quite frustrated with the way I was playing, I was hovering around 1400-1500 for what seemed like hours. I wasn't catching cards in the right spots. Then, I won a big pot from a maniac when he tried to 3-barrel me on a KJT, two diamond board, and I had QT, and the turn was a blank and the river was a second T. It was 60 apiece 4-ways to the flop. He c/r my 200 flop bet to 700, bet 300 on turn, and 425 on river. After I snapped on the river, he looks at his cards and the board for about five seconds and mucks, and I didn't have to show my hand.

Then, towards the very end of the session, I had just gotten bluffed out of a medium sized pot. I raised to 30 on the BTN w/ 99. Only a UTG limper, a younger Indian guy, calls. Flop comes 852, two spades, he checks, I bet 35, he c/r to 110, I call. Turn is 8. Check, check. River is offsuit Ace, and he bets 275. My first instinct was to call. He was very still and I thought he seemed a bit nervous. But I tank-folded after about 2-3 minutes. He shows KJo for complete air. This was the first bluff he showed and he hadn't shown down too many hands, so I didn't think he was capable.

The very next hand, 7- or 8-handed, I raised A6dd UTG in a straddled pot to 25. Had like 4-5 callers, including the straddle who I've been playing quite a few pots with in position. Flop comes 7c4d2d. SB bets out 60, Straddle raises to 125, I raise to 325, SB folds, Straddle raises to 825. I call. Turn is the beautiful Jd. He bets 500. I call. River is an offsuit 5, he puts in his last 350-400 or so, and I show him my flush.

2. Position is king. The more I play, the more I just want to play in position. I hate being OOP, especially against strong opponents whose ranges are wide and who are capable of bluff-raising. The two biggest pots I played today were both with the people sitting one or two seats to the right of me. Having loose opponents to the right of me is the key to printing money. Plus, I want passive/nitty types directly to the left of me. For some reason, I'm good at creating these situations for myself. With this seating arrangement, I can more or less direct the flow of the game in most sessions.

3. Getting up when my edge is diminishing or gone is important.

The last big hand I played, I raised to 20 in LP after a limper with AKss. SB, who bluffed me out w/ KJ, 3! to 60. It's the first 3! I've seen from him, so I thought his range was very strong. The BB cold-calls 60. Looking back, I really should have 4! but for some reason I thought taking a flop was better. Flop comes JsJd9d. SB bets 150, BB folds, I call. Turn is 7c. SB checks, and I bet 260. This was a mistake. I should have checked and tried to get to showdown as cheaply as possible. SB tank-raises to 600. I fold. He shows me A8dd for a gutter and flush draw.

I knew my night was done when this hand happened. My momentum was gone and I could feel the rest of the table wanting me to tilt. I knew my emotions were unstable. So I played until my BB and called it a day. Part of me wanted to play longer, but the more intelligent part knew it wouldn't be beneficial. I have a tendency to tilt especially when I get shown bluffs. It's my biggest trigger. I start doubting myself. And whenever I doubt myself, I play quite poorly.

4. Drunken maniacs are the best for the game. Making the game fun by encouraging gambling is where real big money is made. So many nits and grinders nowadays infest games that are boring and serious. Serious strategy talk...like what are you doing dude? Stop tapping the fish tank. Stop being so open about how you think about the game. Of course, it slips out sometimes, we're all playing and thinking about the game, but it doesn't have to be a big part of the conversation. Talk about anything but poker.

OK, that's enough ranting for today. I love coming home to my mom's homemade food. She made asparagus with garlic, some rice/dumpling things, and boiled eggs. It feels so good to be with my mom. She's the only person I really love in this life.
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Old 04-15-2018, 12:23 PM   #52
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Re: 4-Month Grind: 100k Challenge

It sounds like the games you play in play pretty big. Where I live +2-3K in a 2/5 game would almost always be a super heater type session for even the best players, but those swings seem To be pretty standard in your games.

Definitely agree with the drunken maniacs sentiment. If people aren’t getting a lot of BBs in with marginal hands, the game just can’t be very profitable. If you to mini cooler people to win a big pot, variance will be king. I call them Mini coolers because they’re not actually coolers, but if you can’t get 3 streets of value with AQ on AXXXX, then it’s gonna be hard to win a big pot unless you make a good hand vs a hand that’s barely not as good as yours. And a lot has to happen for these situations to come up and you could be on the wrong side of it a lot for a long time.

This is why I almost always give people words of encouragement for putting chips in the middle. “Tough beat man, he easily could’ve been bluffing there.” “Nothing you can do about that, there’s only a few hands that beat you.” Even if it’s not true. And it feels dirty, because it is, but this is a dirty game and unfortunately I think it’s necessary to be dishonest in order to make decent profits in this game. Which is usually why people realize that there’s no fulfillment in it once they’ve been around long enough.
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Old 04-15-2018, 04:46 PM   #53
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Yesterday's Session:
:23 10-500 Spread Omaha -47
9:52 5-500 Spread HE -946

Played scared in a few pots today. Gave away 1800 in the last hour, hour and half or so. Was so titled and emotional by the end. I was telling myself and saying out loud, "I should just go" several times in the last hour. I knew I wasn't playing well. I still don't know how to do the most important thing: get up from the table.

I get in this mode where I'm obsessed about poker and I'm not sleeping well all the time and I'll force myself to go play because I don't know what else to do but hurry up and make money so I can get out of this crazy game. I should never really play when I'm not fully rested. It rarely leads to good financial results and it's always bad for my emotions and mental state.

I witnessed some rude behavior today that really makes me not like everything to do with poker. Some people are so cruel to others. Like it gives them pleasure to needle others and make others sad. It's how they treat themselves. It's the small-mindedness. The necessity to put others down so one can feel somehow good about one's standing. This one guy clearly not understanding the bigger picture is needling the two maniacs at the table in a very overt, aggressive, unfriendly way. He was quite buff and talked a lot, and acted like a good player, but he's really an idiot and has a mean heart.

Also, there was a Middle Eastern guy toward the end of the session who had horrendous etiquette and tried to call the floor on a couple occasions when he was clearly in the wrong. But he thought he was in the right. This tilted me hard. The rest of the table was telling him he was wrong but he just wouldn't accept it and believe it.

Another aspect of poker that gets to me is how some grinders are toward other grinders. Like yes, we both understand we are there to make money. But someone said at the table, after the two maniacs had busted in the same hand, "just to let you know, I was here first, until you guys (the other 2-3 good players) scummed it up." He was trying to say it with a friendly face. The reality is, he doesn't give any action he doesn't have to. He doesn't give off a gambling vibe. He is really bad for the game. He acts serious most of the time.

In my mind, I tell him: "Dude, you're 20-something years old, and you talk strategy at the table and talk in poker slang, and you think you're cool, but you're really just a low human being. You have little social skills. Maybe you should brush up on it so you make every game you're in a bit brighter, even if you do just sit there and not play hands. You're one of the guys at the table that very few of the recs like as a human being. You're one of the ones that makes poker a boring game. You're there purely to take. None of the dealers like you, cause you try to act nice, but deep down you're a petty little bit**."

RE: games playing big. Sometimes when there are people gambling, but so many games I sit in are SO boring. Most people are playing ABC, maybe you have one or two guys that are putting more money in the middle, but a lot of them generally tend to be passive and not the super aggro types. But to get two maniacs/really bad players at a table is like a once or twice a week phenomenon for me if I'm playing almost everyday, and I specifically look for these opportunities, obviously. There's a feeling that so few people are playing poker for the thrill of it any more. So many dead tables at the 3/5 level in terms of general banter, talkativeness. It sucks to be at a table of mostly small pots and nobody talking. It really feels like a grind during these times.

RE: big upward swings. I think only a few people run up stacks on a regular basis. Some do it once it a while. Most people probably never experience a +2k swing. It takes a lot of work for hours building a dynamic up sometimes for one or two hands to go down. Of course, sometimes a person can just run really hot, but so many things have to happen nowadays for a regular person to run up a stack quickly. You can't really do it by playing ABC TAG nowadays, unless you have a few loose screws at the table. The best players usually have to develop a LAG image to have any chance of getting paid off big on their medium/strong hands. They have to be the type of player that other people get sick of and want to stand up to. Or they have to be fun and gambley. OR they have to have an image of being too tight and folding too much, and then the aggros try to get them off a hand when they actually have a monster.

RE: dishonesty in poker. Yeah, it makes my heart hurt when I'm around the obvious dishonest people. It feels so dirty. That's why sometimes I become silent for a while. I know that many things that come out of my mouth at the poker table have unwholesome intentions and create bad karma. Sometimes, I know it doesn't benefit my winrate, but I'd rather feel good about myself as a human than win a few extra dollars. It's when I start accepting dishonesty as a necessary (and maybe pleasurable?) part of the game, that I know I won't be lasting too much longer in this scene.

Also, there's sort of a peer pressure to make bad players stay longer especially if they are losing, on tilt, or have a big stack they are bound to give away. This feels quite dishonest and manipulative but it's a big part of the game. I let somebody else do most of the legwork if I can, but I will chime in sometimes like, "oh, don't leave us." But some people REALLY put the pressure on and make the bad player feel like a bad human for leaving the game.

RE: no fulfillment. Yep, there is NONE. A lot of the time, I have to psych myself out before a session to pretend like I'm going to have fun. Because folding 75-80 percent of hands is definitely not fun. Sitting at a table with a bunch of dudes I want nothing to do with just to make money is not fun. Sitting at a table with serious people all trying to not give away money is not fun. Sitting at a table where people fear/dislike me is not so much fun.

The only times games can be anywhere close to fun is when people are gambling. Period. And it happens sometimes, but it's way rarer than it used to be. Gamblers lose money so fast now. Unless positive variance is hitting them like a train, the real gamblers will lose 2-3 buy-ins within one or two hours. It's just unsustainable for a lot of them.

water69, I agree with all the things you say. I'm reminded nearly every day I don't have fun at the poker tables how it's a sick game that sucks people in. I won't be in the game for long. I can already feel myself cringing when I think of going back to the tables on some days. Like, really? I have to sit there and fold for hours and be around some of the smallest-minded people in the world and listen to all the manipulative deceitful words coming out of people's mouths?

But, then again, there's no money like poker money. This is really the only thing that keeps me in. It's a means to an end now. I don't live for the adrenaline anymore. I don't like that stuff pumping through my body all day now. I don't like the ups and downs. I don't like the depression that comes along with this game. It's weird knowing all the time I spend studying and reading up on the game is all to make money during this short period of time. I'll try to forget it all when I'm out of the game, because I don't enjoy thinking about poker and mulling over hands all day. It's such a sad way to spend time. I question why I'm even playing a lot of the time. Why am I wasting time?

But I will persevere. I want to make that cash so I can be free for a couple years and give my parents some money. I love giving my parents money. It makes me feel like a whole human being. These two people who sacrificed their lives to put food on the table for me: the least I can do is share my money with them. Deep down, the desire for freedom and the desire to give love to my parents in my own selfish shallow way is what drives me forward during the grind.

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Old 04-15-2018, 08:20 PM   #54
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This is one of my favorite threads. Love your attitude and outlook on poker and life.

Keep it coming.
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Old 04-15-2018, 08:44 PM   #55
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This is one of my favorite threads. Love your attitude and outlook on poker and life.

Keep it coming.
Thanks for the support, my man.

Some people refrain from talking about the traumatic aspects of poker. Especially live poker can be brutal emotionally and psychologically for people who are attuned to emotions and sensitive to energies. I know it is for me. I'm entering a war zone and my body rebels hardcore nowadays. I don't get excited as much as I feel anxiety and dread and the desire to run.

My body knows poker is not good for it. Sitting at the table suppressing emotions for hours on end and watching the worst of human nature come out in people is taxing. But damn, we live in a society where money gives you material freedom. If I didn't have to make money to do the things I wanted, I wouldn't play poker. This is why I like living a relatively simple life. If I have clean air, clear water, healthy food, basic shelter, and some access to sex, I'm happy. I don't need material things beyond what is completely necessary. Cash is king and there's no feeling like being liquid and feeling as light as a feather.

This thread acts as an avenue for me to get my thoughts out. It's a form of therapy, because damn do I need it. Poker is one of the loneliest things a person can do. It feels good to have the feeling that what I'm doing with my life doesn't feel like a complete waste of time and that I can share what's deep in my heart without having to cover it up like I do at the table. It hurts to have to wear a shield of armor around one's heart at the table. But it's necessary. Otherwise, the cruel predators will poke and draw blood all day.

I generally don't needle any more, unless someone is a passive nit and I don't want them in the game (unless they are sitting directly to the left of me, in which case I want them to stay all day). When I win a big pot I really watch myself to see if I react in an arrogant way. And when I catch myself, I look down, stack my chips, tip the dealer, and just exist in my own world for a couple minutes.

Sometimes there's a bit of glee and I feel proud of myself for being patient or for playing the hand well or for building up the dynamic necessary for the hand to go down as it did, but then I remind myself that taking people's money and watching people go through painful emotions doesn't make me happy in the least (unless they are really arrogant/loud bullying types -- then the sadistic side comes out.) I actually didn't do anything. The cards usually play themselves. But usually, if the V is relatively nice, I feel sad for them a bit. I understand what it's like to lose and feel depressed. I know what it's like to want to stuff down all those difficult emotions with food or porn or internet or tasty drinks. I don't like to hurt people. Especially if they have kids or family and are trying to make rent/food money, my heart goes out to them. But clearly, I don't soft play. I'm there to make money. It's just I can't get myself to ignore the sad aspects of the game we play and the society that encourages violence and battle and financial obsession.

This is stuff I've thought about a lot. I'm not one of the best players in the world. I play like a fish sometimes when my emotions are unstable. But I've shed so many real tears and so much metaphorical blood in this war we call a game. I've destroyed people and people have destroyed me. I've seen the darkness that comes over me when I play and the light and the joy that comes from being free from the game. I've been in debt and have had more cash than most people ever see in their lives. It feels good to be able to share my experiences with myself and others. And I say myself because I re-read what I've written (especially the philosophical stuff), because seeing my own thoughts on paper is extremely different from merely thinking these thoughts and having it all jumbled up in my brain in sort of an ADD fashion.

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Old 04-16-2018, 12:10 PM   #56
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One Month Update:





SL is Spread Limit
SLS is Spread Limit Small (2/3 w/ 300 max bet -- I get owned in this game)
L is Limit (20/40)

I have about 4 hours total in games other than the 3/5 500 max bet game I usually play, so their results don't indicate much.



This is a "by session" graph.

I know this is a insignificant sample size, but it's pretty cool to see the similarity of last two cycles I went through after big wins and big losses. Maybe it's just a coincidence. I think it has a lot to do with burn out and emotional states. I tend to want to play a lot during the weekends and I don't think I rest well after Fridays. Hopefully I'm in for another steady climb....

Overall, I consider this last month to be a warm-up month. The results are pretty nice, I guess, but I don't think I'm playing all that well. The number of days I played my A-game I can probably count on one hand. I've punted off probably 10-15 buy-ins due to tilt and emotional upheaval.

This next couple weeks, I'm going to focus on leaving when I'm feeling not good about my game. It's much easier said than done. I have this obsessive, addictive personality that makes leaving a poker table hard.

I'm also going to take more standard b/b/b lines. I'm going to give up FPS and play super standard. I think I'm going to donk more w/ draws and big hands and some marginal hands. I think I've been checking too much.

I know when I'm pushing myself too hard. My body and mind knows when it's not well-rested. I have a tendency to play really bad when I'm tired. Maybe I need to find something other to do on certain days. My life consists of sleep, eat, 2plus2, reddit, and poker. That's about it. Oh, and sometimes I go to the grocery store to buy some snacks and nice drinks.

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Old 04-16-2018, 01:13 PM   #57
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Is that all in 1 months time? That’s a ton of hours if so, which makes me not suprised that you’re not always on your A game. Would be really hard to stay alert and focused through that many hours.

Nice job on the results though, that’s a pretty sick hourly.
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Is that all in 1 months time? That’s a ton of hours if so, which makes me not suprised that you’re not always on your A game. Would be really hard to stay alert and focused through that many hours.

Nice job on the results though, that’s a pretty sick hourly.
Yep, I started playing on 3/16, so it's exactly a month. And yes, it's a lot of hours. Like yesterday I took a day off. Then I slept really well and deep for about 12 hours last night. So the body needs time to recover for sure.

Yeah, my focus isn't what it used to be. I used to put in 20-24 hour sessions on the regular but 15 is like the upper limit now. My mind can't take the boredom without playing bad. Only when I play a slightly bigger game or when there's a maniac at the table do I get any kind of buzz going. It's like death trying to grind with a bunch of quiet regular white dudes at the table.

Thanks for the kind words. To be honest, this hourly reflects like my B or B- game I think. It can be a lot higher if I don't punt off a buy-in or two like an idiot every 3rd day.
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Killer results so far. Really impressed by how many hours you can play, I struggle to hit 40 hours a week.

Something else that is interesting about this sample is how high your winrate is compared to how low your winning session % is. In my experience if I have a stretch with only 50-55% winning sessions my winrate probably sucks over that sample. I think this is probably because you play way longer sessions than me so it's not as important.
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Plus, poker is a dark game and part of me still doesn't want to be part of that darkness in any way, shape, or form.....

But poker sucks, mostly. I can only take it for a few months. Being around poker players suck. Being in the casino sucks. Of course, there are the rare gems of human beings who are just relaxing and having fun. They are genuinely kind people who just want some friendly competition or pass the time. They're not necessarily there to make money. They're there for entertainment.

Winning money at poker and getting good at the game doesn't lead to any happiness. If you're wanting to play poker for a living, I feel for you. It's a sad existence. There's no satisfaction in the game. You win and you've accomplished nothing. You have a few more pieces of paper in your hand. You lose and you've wasted time and energy. You have a few less pieces of paper in your hand. You go up in limits and feel like you've made it, but realize you're around more sharks and predatory mindsets. You realizing you're losing in life. You're playing cards with no purpose in life. Money comes in and out. Thousands and tens of thousands start becoming meaningless. Money loses it value. It's just pieces of paper that make people do crazy ****.

If you want to make money playing, poker should be seen as a means to an end. Life is way bigger than poker. Family and friends are more important than poker. Human beings are more important than poker. Your health is more important than poker. Your happiness is more important than poker. Traveling is more fun than poker. Meeting non-poker people is more fun than meeting poker people. Not thinking about numbers is WAY more fun than thinking about numbers. Living on the beach and having sex with beautiful girls is infinitely more enriching than sitting at a poker table with slimy dishonest people trying to take something from you.

I go into grind mode knowing I'm going to be miserable. I'm going to feel depressed at times. I'm going to be spending time in an environment I detest with people I would never be friends with. I know I'm sacrificing my health, both mentally and physically. But I know there's light at the end of the tunnel. The money I save up is going to let me travel and live without having to work. I can give my parents money and feel good about myself as a son.

Poker is already a lonely game. I feel sad for the grinders who live by themselves without anyone to support them. Most grinders I see and know are miserable people. To survive by taking money from your fellow humans is a sick form of existence.


To win big, one needs to develop a psychopathic manipulative way of thinking. I think "what do I want other people to do, and how do I get to do it?" This is both on a tactical and strategic level. Hand-by-hand, it's: do I want folds, calls, or raises? should i check, bet, raise, call? how much do i bet or raise to get someone to do what i want them to do?


I get a variety of looks: jealousy, hatred, rage, fear, respect. There's no love at the poker table. Nobody likes to play with big winners regardless of how social and friendly he or she is. The table starts seeing me pull in pot after pot and they think "damn, this guy knows what he's doing." It's war.

I don't care what people think of me. That's where it's really at. I'm not saving money to buy things to impress people. Things hold no value for me. I like to live cheaply in country that isn't the United States. I like swimming and dancing and being with feminine vibes. But it takes money to live this kind of carefree lifestyle. Poker is merely an means to an end for me. I wouldn't play if I had lots of money.
Wow, you have one of the most negative attitudes and mindsets about poker and life I've ever seen. So much of your post is just wrong and you viewing the world from a pessimistic point of view. Poker players don't suck. Most are great people.

You don't need to be psychopathic to be a big winner, lol. That's just you justifying your already psychopathic tendencies, I'm thinking.

You don't have to detest the people you play poker with. That's a choice you made. Good luck changing your outlook and mindset, nothing else you do is as important, since the difference could be enjoying time playing poker and connecting on a human level with the people you play with rather than detesting people and self-loathing and being miserable.

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How are you going to tell the man that his own views are wrong?
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How are you going to tell the man that his own views are wrong?
Fair point. Everyone is entitled to their own views/opinions/feelings. His views are negative and completely subjective but he states them as facts. They aren't. And from my point of view his views are completely wrong. I enjoy playing with most of the people I play with. I think poker is a fun way to spend time. I enjoy it for what it is, I don't view it as a means to an end. Poker is awesome, mostly.
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@RichCheckMaker I think it’s pretty apparent to anyone who has frequented poker rooms for a signif amount of time that poker rooms generally have a much higher % of people with psychological issues, people that are unhappy, people with addictions, criminals, and people just simply displaying predatory behaviors than almost any other social setting (that I’ve experienced).

Not saying poker can’t be fun, because it can. But It’s rare for a poker game to be 9 guys who are all having a good time, being genuinely friendly with each other. The nature of the game generally calls for different ingredients.
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And maybe it’s fun for some people to go in a try to take money off of other people, but it’s my opinion that only a sick person could find fulfillment and happiness by causing someone else’s misfortune.
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@RichCheckMaker I think itís pretty apparent to anyone who has frequented poker rooms for a signif amount of time that poker rooms generally have a much higher % of people with psychological issues, people that are unhappy, people with addictions, criminals, and people just simply displaying predatory behaviors than almost any other social setting (that Iíve experienced).

Not saying poker canít be fun, because it can. But Itís rare for a poker game to be 9 guys who are all having a good time, being genuinely friendly with each other. The nature of the game generally calls for different ingredients.
The population of a poker room might be slightly more deplorable than the general population I'll give you that, but I think that for the most part, the individuals in a casino are good people.

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And maybe itís fun for some people to go in a try to take money off of other people, but itís my opinion that only a sick person could find fulfillment and happiness by causing someone elseís misfortune.
I don't see it the same way that you do. I see it as a form of competition and gambling. People want to gamble and poker is a form of gambling. It's not someone else's misfortune that I find fulfilling. It's the thrill of victory. I love to gamble! The next best thing to gambling and winning is gambling and losing. Using strategy and wit to succeed is fulfilling.

I hope that my competition can afford to play the game I'm in and if they couldn't, I wouldn't want them to play. I sincerely wish no misfortune on anyone I'm playing at the table even characters I don't particularly like. I've found it's not helpful to my game to think such things. Its not about trying to take money from someone its about the competition. I enjoy winning at Monopoly, and if they raised the stakes I would enjoy it more. That's what it's about.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:18 PM   #66
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Killer results so far. Really impressed by how many hours you can play, I struggle to hit 40 hours a week.

Something else that is interesting about this sample is how high your winrate is compared to how low your winning session % is. In my experience if I have a stretch with only 50-55% winning sessions my winrate probably sucks over that sample. I think this is probably because you play way longer sessions than me so it's not as important.
Haha, actually it's a bit skewed because I have a few very short sessions in the other games (2/3, limit, bigo/superstud) that are mostly losers.

This is usually how it goes with hours for the first month. I was just getting my feet wet again. I'll start tapering down probably. Just leaving the game sooner. It takes practice to leave the game, but it's what I need work on. I don't have that discipline that some other pros have to just leave whenever. I want to keep playing and maybe have a little more fun. It's usually in vain because I tend to give away a bunch at the end of sessions.
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:44 PM   #67
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Just for giggles, I'll respond briefly to Rich, partly because I like the debate and partly because I think people may find it funny/interesting and partly because I like putting thoughts on paper and partly because his overinflated poker ego needs a reality check sometimes:

So our views on poker differ. I can understand. Poker is fun for you and you like the people you play with. You like spending time in casinos with all the great characters you meet. Good for you. I can't persuade somebody who still thinks being a professional poker player and a gambler and spending most of his time at the casino is the highest form of happiness that, actually, it's not.

You'll have to go through your own journey to find the truth when you think you've reached your goals or when you realize the pot o' gold at the end of the rainbow is just a mirage and has always been, and you've been duped by the people who own casinos and gambling houses or by others who have a vested interest in selling the dream of being a winning poker player.

Or maybe not. Maybe you'll never come to this conclusion. Maybe you'll spend the rest of your life at the casino playing 5/T or T/20 (or maybe even higher, who knows, you might have the potential to be one of the rare super-sharks) with some of the best people in society. Who knows, you might even makes millions from the game.

But if continuing to climb the poker hierarchy is your primary ambition in life, I have compassion for you. For several years in my youth, I thought all I wanted to do was play poker. I was obsessed and thought about poker non-stop and played whenever I could. But that dream is over for me now. It's not that I couldn't get better at poker and play bigger games and be around all the great people one would encounter at the higher stakes, but I choose not to because the idea repulses rather than excites me.

I've experienced much higher forms of pleasure/happiness outside the poker world. I won't list them out because I could write a book about it, but they involve travel, nature, meditation, true friendships, swimming, dancing, women, etc.

I can tell by your writing that your identity is completely wrapped up in your being a poker player, and a shark at that. You defend the game of poker as if you yourself are poker and that any personal opinion on the game that doesn't align with yours is an attack on you personally. That you take my writings so personally reveals your limited unnuanced perspective of poker specifically and of life in general, and your shallow desires. Anybody who finds fulfillment in gambling, or has to delude himself into thinking that it's a good way to spend one's time, is clearly a lost soul who's out of touch with the true nature of life.

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Old 04-16-2018, 05:00 PM   #68
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Bro my identity isn't wrapped up in being a poker player. And I feel sorry for you that you act so enlightened but cannot see someone elses point of view. Like lol you are going around talking about how miserable your existence is, while at the same time saying my happiness is delusional. The ravings of a mentally ill person if I've ever heard it. I've been duped by the casino? Lol, dude, come on, someone who talks down to someone else like that obviously isn't enlightened.

I can tell by your writing you get a feeling of superiority in feeling like this enlightened individual, but in reality you are trapped in your own head. You see the world through crap colored glasses. Take them off. You got some crap on your face.

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Old 04-16-2018, 05:32 PM   #69
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"The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity." -W. B. Yeats
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OP—any books on philosophy you suggest?
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Old 04-16-2018, 06:51 PM   #71
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OP—any books on philosophy you suggest?
Hmm...I love reading all kinds of stuff. Lots of the Buddhist/Taoist stuff can be mind-blowing.

The following people/places/books/ideas have been beneficial on my path (sorry, too lazy to link):

Meditation

dhamma.org -- free 10-day Vipassana meditation retreats at Dhamma centers around the world.
Panditarama Forest Monastery -- Burma, annual special 60-day retreat
Panditarama Lumbini -- Nepal
Tathagatha Meditation Center -- San Jose, CA
Wat Suan Mokkh -- Thailand, monthly 10-day retreat
Wat Ram Poeng -- Thailand
Malaysian Buddhist Meditation Center -- Penang
Gaia House -- UK
Insight Meditation Society -- Barre, MA
San Francisco Zen Center

Dark Retreat

The Hermitage -- Lake Atitlan, Guatemala
Mahadevi Ashram -- Lake Atitlan, Guatemala
Hridaya Yoga -- Mazunte, Mexico
Worldwide Dark Room Directory

Books (most free)

Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind -- Suzuki Roshi
A Guide to the Bodhisattva's Way of Life -- Shantideva
Empty Cloud: The Autobiography of the Chinese Zen Master Xu Yun
The Life of Shabkar: The Autobiography of a Tibetan Yogin
Lama Yeshe and Lama Zopa Rinpoche
The Collected Teachings of Ajahn Chah
Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha -- Daniel Ingram
Tao de Ching

Teachers

Ajahn Brahm
Ajahn Sumedho
Ajahn Sucitto
Ajahn Mahabua

Chanting (on youtube):

Theravada Daily Chanting
Lama Khenpo Pema Choephel Rinpoche
Lama Doje
Lama Gyurme & Jean Philippe Rykiel
Korean Zen Master
Deva Premal & The Gyuto Monks of Tibet
Ani Choying Drolma
Imee Ooi

Forums

dhammawheel.com -- Theravada Buddhism
dharmawheel.net -- Mahayana & Tibetan Buddhism
dharmaoverground.org -- Pragmatic Buddhism

Some novels are great, too. I like a bit too many to list but a few recent ones are Crime + Punishment by Dostoevsky, Shantaram by Gregory David Roberts, A Suitable Boy by Vikram Seth.
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interesting read. i'm battling whether to play poker at the micro stakes myself, because it takes up so much time in my life. could you explain what spread holdem is
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interesting read. i'm battling whether to play poker at the micro stakes myself, because it takes up so much time in my life. could you explain what spread holdem is
Spread Limit is a game in which there's a certain cap on how much you can bet at one time. So 5-500 means you can bet anywhere from 5 to 500. If someone bets 300, you can only raise to 800, and the next player can only raise to 1300. Affects the way certain hands are played because there are less opportunities to make big bluffs on rivers when the pot gets big. Most hands on most tables though play the same as if it were NL though.
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Stumbled upon this thread today and am glad that I did. We have had very similar experiences in poker as well as conclusions regarding the same. While reading your posts over the last hour, I've felt less lonely and misunderstood. Thank you.

Do you know your MBTI (myers briggs) type, by chance?

FWIW, I think you and Rich are both being a bit unfair to each other above. Personally, over my many years playing poker I've moved from an experience of poker similar to Rich's to one more similar to yours, but that doesn't mean I think everyone should view poker the same way that I (we?) currently do. I think you're both overgeneralizing about the other based on pretty scant information. I don't want to derail the thread further, but reading the exchange above was kind of tilting as I think both posters could have been more respectful of the other.

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Stumbled upon this thread today and am glad that I did. We have had very similar experiences in poker as well as conclusions regarding the same. While reading your posts over the last hour, I've felt less lonely and misunderstood. Thank you.

Do you know your MBTI (myers briggs) type, by chance?

FWIW, I think you and Rich are both being a bit unfair to each other above. Personally, over my many years playing poker I've moved from an experience of poker similar to Rich's to one more similar to yours, but that doesn't mean I think everyone should view poker the same way that I (we?) currently do. I think you're both overgeneralizing about the other based on pretty scant information. I don't want to derail the thread further, but reading the exchange above was kind of tilting as I think both posters could have been more respectful of the other.
Yeah, you're right. Thanks for pointing it out. I was being a bit cruel and I'm a bit ashamed. I have to admit, I used to have the passion that Rich has RE: everything poker. So @Rich, sorry for the post. Came from a bad emotional state.

No, I don't know my Myers Briggs type. It's weird, I don't even know if I'm extroverted or introverted. I go through significant periods of both. Like when I'm playing poker, I turn into almost a complete introvert. I don't like to talk to anybody. Other times, when I'm around people I like, all I wanted to do is be around people for a couple months at a time.

I think I'm quite adaptable in terms of personality. I change a lot based on what I'm doing and the people I'm around and the general environment. For example, desert brings out a whole lot of neurotic introversion, whereas ocean brings out the super confident gregarious extrovert.

I'm living in the desert now and playing poker now, so probably a lot of my posts sounds cynical and thinking-oriented. What can I say? The game brings out the worst in me....
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